Side with the forces of Order, or the vile hosts of Destruction, in a war that will unlock ancient secrets, reveal dark purposes, and determine the fate of the Sargos Sector. For in this dark millennium, there is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter.
Two sided conflict with the same old MMO style. Oh well there's other games at least.
That is damn depressing...Well, looks like I can go ahead and opt out of this one.
ughhh sounds like WAR...
I agree thats a pretty big blow.
Seriously? Have they learned nothing from the previous problems in factional PvP? WAR has spent it's entire released life attempting to compensate and patch in ways to alleviate population and realm balance for their lack of oversight with two sided factional RvR.
This is yet another major blow for up-coming games, but hopefully this one is still far enough out that it may change. Otherwise you can kiss any meaningful PvP/RvR/whatever good bye.
Oh well, I'm bugging out too. Talk about a major disappointment.
2-factions shoved in a small part of the galaxy, probably with that damn "story" thing, levels and crap.
If I ever saw a still-born game this is one.
The IP needed a major deviation from the standard mmorpg formula to work and now we'll get WoW in space... If we're very lucky then its WAR in space. Will the lazy devs finally realize that the EQ formula is a) OLD b) NOT APPROPRIATE FOR EVERY GODDAMN SETTING?
2 factions - Oh rly? In WH40K? OH RLY?
It's not just the lore.. 2-factions = death for PvP based mmos... and it is going to be PvP based? Is it? IS IT?
Sorry but bots and bolters are not going to cut it if the underlying game premise sucks donkey's ass.
I had high hopes for two upcoming games but now I'm left only with GW2... Arenanet, help us, you are our only hope..
Originally posted by Angorim Originally posted by tank017
Originally posted by Khalathwyr
Originally posted by clik
From the THQ webiste. Side with the forces of Order, or the vile hosts of Destruction, in a war that will unlock ancient secrets, reveal dark purposes, and determine the fate of the Sargos Sector. For in this dark millennium, there is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter. http://us.thq.com/us/game/detail/5991 Two sided conflict with the same old MMO style. Oh well there's other games at least.
That is damn depressing...Well, looks like I can go ahead and opt out of this one. ughhh sounds like WAR... I agree thats a pretty big blow. Seriously? Have they learned nothing from the previous problems in factional PvP? WAR has spent it's entire released life attempting to compensate and patch in ways to alleviate population and realm balance for their lack of oversight with two sided factional RvR.
This is yet another major blow for up-coming games, but hopefully this one is still far enough out that it may change. Otherwise you can kiss any meaningful PvP/RvR/whatever good bye. . I know where you're going with this. DAoC had 3 factions and it seems like DAoC was balanced. . But DAoC had only one boring race, humans. . This game has cool races. I think have 3 factions would just unbalance it more. Everyone might want to play orcs for example. The other 2 factions would be low pop.
Just need them to confirm the races that people who aren't wanting to be the SM Juggernauts for the umpteenth time in a THQ game about WH40k wanna play.
Tau, Eldar, Dark Eldar, Inquisition Forces
I'd be thrilled to DEATH to be able to play a Tau Fire Warrior or Kroot Shaper even a Warp Spider or Ranger.
Side with the forces of Order, or the vile hosts of Destruction, in a war that will unlock ancient secrets, reveal dark purposes, and determine the fate of the Sargos Sector. For in this dark millennium, there is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter.
Two sided conflict with the same old MMO style. Oh well there's other games at least.
That is damn depressing...Well, looks like I can go ahead and opt out of this one.
ughhh sounds like WAR...
I agree thats a pretty big blow.
Seriously? Have they learned nothing from the previous problems in factional PvP? WAR has spent it's entire released life attempting to compensate and patch in ways to alleviate population and realm balance for their lack of oversight with two sided factional RvR.
This is yet another major blow for up-coming games, but hopefully this one is still far enough out that it may change. Otherwise you can kiss any meaningful PvP/RvR/whatever good bye.
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I know where you're going with this. DAoC had 3 factions and it seems like DAoC was balanced.
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But DAoC had only one boring race, humans.
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This game has cool races. I think have 3 factions would just unbalance it more. Everyone might want to play orcs for example. The other 2 factions would be low pop.
It's not just about DAoC. Go study game design theory and play some board games. You simply cannot have a permanent and yet dynamic conflict with only 2 sides. A 2-faction or 2-side system is inherently inbalanced. A 3-faction system is the most stable and self regulating system, even theoretically.
It's very simple really:
if you want a conflict that is resolved eventually (like a bg for example) make it a 2-sided one. The positive feedback loop will work towards ultimately making one side overwhelm the other.
If you want a conflict that is stable and permanent make it a 3-sided one with incentives for weaker factions to band against the stronger one. The negative feedback in this case will work towards stabilysing the system. (actually most times you don't even need banding incentives, basic human mammalian psychology takes care of this neatly in most cases)
In fact in board game design it is a major problem how to make multiple-faction games (games with more than 2 players) MORE imbalanced so someone gets to win eventually. You actually need to add inbalancing positive-feedback mechanics to ensure thath the damn game will end eventually, a problem which simply does not exist in 2-player games. In PvP mmos the situation is reversed. You DO NOT want anyone to win completely and thus "end" the game, driving the opposing faction away and thus permanently imbalancing the game further... except in instanced matches that is, and instanced matches is the only place in PvP mmos where 2-faction system is justified.
Mythic stumbled into this by pure chance imo and the major reason for the failure of WAR is that they didn't really know what they did with their 3-faction system in WAR. Instead of realizing what made DAoC RvR work, they decided to go for the same old lame GOOD vs EVIL crap straight out of fairy stories and hollywood cinema, which is completely inappropriate both for the IP and the persistent world conflict gameplay.
WAR's biggest problem right now is 2-factions which they cannot change because the map design of the world is totally subservient to it. Just for one consideration: 2-side conflict gets boring VERY fast. Go play WAR if you do not believe me. It is always the same run from capital A to capital B. More factions give you exponentially more possible conflict situations with each new faction you add. Again it is simple mathematics. A 2-faction system is a 1-dimensional array, 3-faction is 2-dimensional and 4-faction a 3 dimensional one etc
Take pen and paper and write letters A and B. Now draw a line between them. That's one line isn't it? Now write letter C and connect the letters. You now have 3 lines (possible conflicts = variety = PvP content). That's 3 times more PvP content for the price of adding 50% more material content. Following me? Now add letter D and count the lines. See the point?
2-factions = idiocy in PvP game design. Very simple. The only reason the dumb devs are still hanging onto it is the idiotic cultural "bad guys vs good guys" bias. Nothing more. The best PvP games always shied away from this 2-sided idiocy. It works in linear PvE (if that) but it is pure death in permanent PvP world design.
.. but from what I've seen and read so far I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be without world PvP at all. Probably just the heroic "kill boss in hole" PvE and instanced bgs. It's revolutionary and "next-gen" because you get to drive vehicles. Meh. I'll pass this one if for nothing else then respect for the IP. Meh.
dunny why everybody assumes that there will be only 2 sides at war, just based on that cookie cutter 3-liner that seems more copy pasted as a place holder description than anything. it isnt like they have given any clue at all about the setting nor the gameplay, and i doubt we will hear anything indeepth about those for at least another year.
also funny that some of those complaining have just recently said they want to play SWTOR, which EXPLICITLY stated by now that its a 2-faction game, period.
so far in the vidya we have seen imperium marines, chaos marines and orcs, I really doubt they intend orcs to join any of the former 2 sides. and I suppose the rest of races will either be added in the (lets not forget) 2 more years of development that the game has to endure, or will come in future expansions.
In the lore Tyranid and Necron invasions are blitkrieg attacks out of nowhere, and the empire doesnt know much about either. perfect leit motiv for an expac, same as Taus who rarely adventure outside their sphere of influence areas
and Eldars...oh well, I can see many people like them, so i guess they will be introduced sooner rather than later, but they are the reason why WAR40K IP scores a 99/100 instead of 100/100 in my personal scale...for gods sake, CANT WE FORGET ABOUT THE FUCKING ELVES FOR A DAMN SECOND?
On the very edge of the galaxy lies the Sargos Sector. For centuries it was rendered uninhabitable and isolated by volatile Warp Storms. Even now, deep within the sector the very fabric of reality is unraveling. Only the ancient Sentinel Devices hold the Warp at bay.
But the ravages of time and meddling of humanity have weakened the Sentinel Devices-and now, the battle for these ost worlds is at hand. Drawn to the conflict, the great races of the galaxy descend upon the Sargos Sector, seeking to preserve reality-or to tear it asunder.
Side with the forces of Order, or the vile hosts of Destruction, in a war that will unlock ancient secrets, reveal dark purposes, and determine the fate of the Sargos Sector. For in this dark millennium, there is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter.
sorry the last blurb sounds like 2 factions to me. At least it sounds like its not going to be just one planet but a sector of space don't know how many worlds there could be there but that seems like a plus. Now if they would be actually come out and say that other races or groups (i consider the different armies in 40k each a faction) then I will wait till mine come out and follow the game but if not its file 13, got tired of going to the WAR site over and over again and never to see my favorite races/armies made and never a word on expanding. And now according to most posts that I have read they would have to revamp the whole world to include other races so called WAR no joy long ago I check on it from time to time but can't find any reason I would want to play it.
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On the very edge of the galaxy lies the Sargos Sector. For centuries it was rendered uninhabitable and isolated by volatile Warp Storms. Even now, deep within the sector the very fabric of reality is unraveling. Only the ancient Sentinel Devices hold the Warp at bay.
But the ravages of time and meddling of humanity have weakened the Sentinel Devices-and now, the battle for these ost worlds is at hand. Drawn to the conflict, the great races of the galaxy descend upon the Sargos Sector, seeking to preserve reality-or to tear it asunder.
Side with the forces of Order, or the vile hosts of Destruction, in a war that will unlock ancient secrets, reveal dark purposes, and determine the fate of the Sargos Sector. For in this dark millennium, there is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter.
sorry the last blurb sounds like 2 factions to me. At least it sounds like its not going to be just one planet but a sector of space don't know how many worlds there could be there but that seems like a plus. Now if they would be actually come out and say that other races or groups (i consider the different armies in 40k each a faction) then I will wait till mine come out and follow the game but if not its file 13, got tired of going to the WAR site over and over again and never to see my favorite races/armies made and never a word on expanding. And now according to most posts that I have read they would have to revamp the whole world to include other races so called WAR no joy long ago I check on it from time to time but can't find any reason I would want to play it.
and still sounds like a placeholder for a website that wont see any update in at least 1 year to me, about as revealing as a Lore Ipsum...
I hope you can change colours and badges, like in the DoW series. Warhammer is all about the colours and customizations. I hope they only showed the Black Templars because its too early to see more stuff about the customizations.
If you cant change colours, I will be very disappointed.
All this stuff we are batting around is purely conjecture at this point true thats why I am going to be watching this game with a slight sense of anticipation because I will say I would probably 100% (ok 99% then.lol) play this game if it is not a 2 faction only limited races game. So this one, SW:TOR and the as yet to see the light of day but we have a few tidbits game from fledgling 38 studios are my most watched sites for any information I will add the page to my check weeklyish list, lol
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hmm Sad day when stupid devs are going to break another great IP.
What they should have made instead was this
1, Players CAN ONLY PLAY SPACE MARINES, all other races are NPC Exept Eldar and Dark Eldar
2, Players Creat there own Chapters( But have to pick names that are appropriate to the setting, cant call your chapter Pink space panthers for example), Upgrade it, have a homeworld, and special fighting tactics.
3, Chapters and players can become corrupted by the winds of chaos and fall from the grace of the Emperor, and start to follow ONE of the chaos gods. Those that become corrupted can attack other chapters freely, Space marine Chapters still loyal to the Emperor and Chapters that have also become corrupted and belong to one of the other chaos gods.
4, Eldar and dark Eldar fight both the other fractions and one another, they have no homeworlds to conqure as they live on there spaceships (if you follow old 40k lore) so they will act as rouge fractions attacking any one of the other two and eachoter just for the sake of WAR....
In this system you would have 3 way 4 way 5 way 6 way and even a 7 way of conflict if you ad in all the 4 chaos gods. And it would stay mush more true to the Lore....
A game like this would have potential, the old 2 side conflict is a dead horse its not fun.... I play EVE because there is alot more fun to have many enemies....
hmm Sad day when stupid devs are going to break another great IP.
What they should have made instead was this
1, Players CAN ONLY PLAY SPACE MARINES, all other races are NPC Exept Eldar and Dark Eldar
2, Players Creat there own Chapters( But have to pick names that are appropriate to the setting, cant call your chapter Pink space panthers for example), Upgrade it, have a homeworld, and special fighting tactics.
3, Chapters and players can become corrupted by the winds of chaos and fall from the grace of the Emperor, and start to follow ONE of the chaos gods. Those that become corrupted can attack other chapters freely, Space marine Chapters still loyal to the Emperor and Chapters that have also become corrupted and belong to one of the other chaos gods.
4, Eldar and dark Eldar fight both the other fractions and one another, they have no homeworlds to conqure as they live on there spaceships (if you follow old 40k lore) so they will act as rouge fractions attacking any one of the other two and eachoter just for the sake of WAR....
In this system you would have 3 way 4 way 5 way 6 way and even a 7 way of conflict if you ad in all the 4 chaos gods. And it would stay mush more true to the Lore....
A game like this would have potential, the old 2 side conflict is a dead horse its not fun.... I play EVE because there is alot more fun to have many enemies....
War40k is never a two-sided conflict as even in the Imperium of man there's more conflict between the three main powers there than anything.
The Space Marines don't take kindly to orders the IG tends to throw about and the IG Powers that be get real uptight about the SM always jumping in and taking all the glory. The inquisition mistrusts them all.
hmm Sad day when stupid devs are going to break another great IP.
What they should have made instead was this
1, Players CAN ONLY PLAY SPACE MARINES, all other races are NPC Exept Eldar and Dark Eldar
2, Players Creat there own Chapters( But have to pick names that are appropriate to the setting, cant call your chapter Pink space panthers for example), Upgrade it, have a homeworld, and special fighting tactics.
3, Chapters and players can become corrupted by the winds of chaos and fall from the grace of the Emperor, and start to follow ONE of the chaos gods. Those that become corrupted can attack other chapters freely, Space marine Chapters still loyal to the Emperor and Chapters that have also become corrupted and belong to one of the other chaos gods.
4, Eldar and dark Eldar fight both the other fractions and one another, they have no homeworlds to conqure as they live on there spaceships (if you follow old 40k lore) so they will act as rouge fractions attacking any one of the other two and eachoter just for the sake of WAR....
In this system you would have 3 way 4 way 5 way 6 way and even a 7 way of conflict if you ad in all the 4 chaos gods. And it would stay mush more true to the Lore....
A game like this would have potential, the old 2 side conflict is a dead horse its not fun.... I play EVE because there is alot more fun to have many enemies....
War40k is never a two-sided conflict as even in the Imperium of man there's more conflict between the three main powers there than anything.
The Space Marines don't take kindly to orders the IG tends to throw about and the IG Powers that be get real uptight about the SM always jumping in and taking all the glory. The inquisition mistrusts them all.
5 powers actually.
the mechanicum will have their own agendas in many situations, so while they usually wont hinder a victory at hand, they wont hesitate in spending as many men as necessary to protect certain technology.
and the administratum are the worst of them all, even tho they are non combatant
On the very edge of the galaxy lies the Sargos Sector. For centuries it was rendered uninhabitable and isolated by volatile Warp Storms. Even now, deep within the sector the very fabric of reality is unraveling. Only the ancient Sentinel Devices hold the Warp at bay.
But the ravages of time and meddling of humanity have weakened the Sentinel Devices-and now, the battle for these ost worlds is at hand. Drawn to the conflict, the great races of the galaxy descend upon the Sargos Sector, seeking to preserve reality-or to tear it asunder.
Side with the forces of Order, or the vile hosts of Destruction, in a war that will unlock ancient secrets, reveal dark purposes, and determine the fate of the Sargos Sector. For in this dark millennium, there is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter.
Sigh....this image sums up my view of the bastardization of the 40K IP.
This game is DOA.
YOU SHUT YOUR WHORING MOUTH WHORE!
I'll be damned if you doom the one game I might play for longer then an hour..
people are complaining about the graphics that actually fits with the lore. Sorry but if you look at all the pictures and also the board games that is how they actually look in that Universe.
hmm Sad day when stupid devs are going to break another great IP.
What they should have made instead was this
1, Players CAN ONLY PLAY SPACE MARINES, all other races are NPC Exept Eldar and Dark Eldar
2, Players Creat there own Chapters( But have to pick names that are appropriate to the setting, cant call your chapter Pink space panthers for example), Upgrade it, have a homeworld, and special fighting tactics.
3, Chapters and players can become corrupted by the winds of chaos and fall from the grace of the Emperor, and start to follow ONE of the chaos gods. Those that become corrupted can attack other chapters freely, Space marine Chapters still loyal to the Emperor and Chapters that have also become corrupted and belong to one of the other chaos gods.
4, Eldar and dark Eldar fight both the other fractions and one another, they have no homeworlds to conqure as they live on there spaceships (if you follow old 40k lore) so they will act as rouge fractions attacking any one of the other two and eachoter just for the sake of WAR....
In this system you would have 3 way 4 way 5 way 6 way and even a 7 way of conflict if you ad in all the 4 chaos gods. And it would stay mush more true to the Lore....
A game like this would have potential, the old 2 side conflict is a dead horse its not fun.... I play EVE because there is alot more fun to have many enemies....
As I recall from some of the space wolves books, no battle was every 1 on 1
People who have never even heard of 40K are going to want to play this if they get the Titans (i.e., Battlemechs, for those of you who don't know 40K) done right in the game.
I'm sure they'll be trivialized for that very reason, for gameplay purposes. I'm sure they'll be powerful, but nothing like they really are in Warhammer lore. That's okay, though. Every MMO makes lore sacrifices for playability.
A fair observation, and I'd have to agree with you To really do Titans accurately in 40K, they'd have to be as powerful in comparison to other units as...well....a Titan in EVE is to the majority of other ships. I just don't think that's a likely outcome in a game like this.
I wonder if they'll be fully-playable or if they'll just be moving support platforms and "squad leader" players can call in strikes or something...? Who knows, so little information is available at this time.
Also if there are Titans for the Imperium, you'd expect there to be some sort of super-heavy for other races as well. Chaos Titans, sure why not, that follows lore. An Ork Stompa? Maybe. Huge Squiggoths might be more fun though, hehe.
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Looks good. Could be a litte more gritty and dark I agree. One question though.. where the hell is my Tau!?
Will be nice getting a little more information about game mechanics and stuff.
Your heretic Tau are burning in the fires of hell as all enemies of the God Emperor deserve. The same as that other poster's precious Xeno scum the Eldar.
I agree that it would be nice to see some more about the actual nuts and bolts of the game, but I doubt we will get that for awhile. This was just Vigil's reveal to show that "Ok boys, here it is, don't touch that dial."
As to the rest of these "Wait I didn't see this, or I bet they don't have that" posts, you must stay in very good shape from all the time you spend jumping to conclusions. How about this time round we allow a game company a trial and actually peruse the evidence before we decide if we should execute them
wanted to quote in agreement with your wisdom, and also the WIN of the picture
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not burst anone's bubble but this obviously will be an online cum RPGish shooter like Global Agenda or Planetfall... it wont be a WoW in space with guns and shizzle...
Pretty sure that "WoW in Space" is coming out already...it's called Star Wars: The Old Republic Except there's some Mass Effect thrown in.
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Some of those scenes in the trailer look alot like...dare I say...
WoW?
Please explain,...please???
I think its one of 2 things, he is either:
a) just trolling
or b) confusing art style with (everything else in a game)
Yeah the art style looks somewhat similar to WoW, though not quite a shorribly cartoony, but WoW and everything else Warcraft is based on Warhammer to begin with, so its actually that this game looks like Warhammer, and WoW looks like Warhammer, not this game looks like WoW. But beyond the artistic stuff, it looks nothing like WoW. Just look at the FPS style combat, that alone sets this game apart hugely from WoW.
err no not trolling and not confused,just some of the scenes(mostly Orks) look like wow to me is all
..how does WoW look like Warhammer?
Warhammer has been around since long before even the first Warcraft game was made. Warcraft was originally intended to be a Warhammer game, but GamesWorkshop the makers of Warhammer turned it down, so Blizzard went and made Warcraft instead, basically taking nearly 100% of their stuff from Warhammer, including much of the overall look/style, and just changed some of the lore around a little, and then came the sequels and then WoW. All if it dates back to their copying of the Warhammer IP, so essentially nothing Warhammer actually looks like WoW, its the other way around, WoW looks like Warhammer.
I see..
Wasnt aware of that,thanks for the info
Tank017, I just wanted to commend you on being the first example that I've seen of someone who didn't follow this path:
Person A: "Warhammer is a WoW-copy, right?"
Person B: "Actually no, Warhammer was around first, WarCraft came about as a computerized version of the Warhammer tabletop miniature game, that's why they have so many similarities, but most people aren't aware of this in video game circles because they encountered WarCraft first."
(Typical) Person A: "Whatever, WarCraft > all. History and facts are for noobs."
That's where you differentiated from the typical response, very refreshing to read. Just wanted to say thanks!!
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This could be the worst game ever to be created but people will still be "zomg" if you put cool music and show them a 2 seconds-clips-montage
It so true.
But me hope it will be good.
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god im already sick of the same old stuff.."ehehehehe it looks like WoW"
anyway the little 2 second of in play with the ui on an such was really nice to see.. and man i can not wait to get in the driver seat of some of those machines
I know, right? The game looks almost exactly like DOW1 - 2, and yet folks complain it looks like WoW. It looks nothing like WoW. The art style is completely different, and those who can't tell otherwise honestly should go see an optometrist.
Honsetly, the whole, 'It looks like WoW DURRRR', being used to insult things is getting really, really old.
Your crazy, it looks like wow with a upgraded graphics, colors and all. and thats ok, but lets not pretend otherwise.
I know i know but but gamesworkshop, i don't care your right. But that fact doesn't change that it toaly looks warhammer and so does wow (if a loew quality with age wow).
One place it difference in the landscape and enviroment which looks more warhammer than wow.
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For those saying that the graphics/game models look exactly like WoW...
Yeah, I can see how they're pretty much exactly the same thing.....
EDIT: Sorry I should have noted that my comment is complete sarcasm.
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Oh well, I'm bugging out too. Talk about a major disappointment.
2-factions shoved in a small part of the galaxy, probably with that damn "story" thing, levels and crap.
If I ever saw a still-born game this is one.
The IP needed a major deviation from the standard mmorpg formula to work and now we'll get WoW in space... If we're very lucky then its WAR in space. Will the lazy devs finally realize that the EQ formula is a) OLD b) NOT APPROPRIATE FOR EVERY GODDAMN SETTING?
2 factions - Oh rly? In WH40K? OH RLY?
It's not just the lore.. 2-factions = death for PvP based mmos... and it is going to be PvP based? Is it? IS IT?
Sorry but bots and bolters are not going to cut it if the underlying game premise sucks donkey's ass.
I had high hopes for two upcoming games but now I'm left only with GW2... Arenanet, help us, you are our only hope..
ughhh sounds like WAR...
I agree thats a pretty big blow.
Seriously? Have they learned nothing from the previous problems in factional PvP? WAR has spent it's entire released life attempting to compensate and patch in ways to alleviate population and realm balance for their lack of oversight with two sided factional RvR.
This is yet another major blow for up-coming games, but hopefully this one is still far enough out that it may change. Otherwise you can kiss any meaningful PvP/RvR/whatever good bye.
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I know where you're going with this. DAoC had 3 factions and it seems like DAoC was balanced.
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But DAoC had only one boring race, humans.
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This game has cool races. I think have 3 factions would just unbalance it more. Everyone might want to play orcs for example. The other 2 factions would be low pop.
Well shave my back and call me an elf! -- Oghren
Just noticed that so there IS Blood
Just need them to confirm the races that people who aren't wanting to be the SM Juggernauts for the umpteenth time in a THQ game about WH40k wanna play.
Tau, Eldar, Dark Eldar, Inquisition Forces
I'd be thrilled to DEATH to be able to play a Tau Fire Warrior or Kroot Shaper even a Warp Spider or Ranger.
It's not just about DAoC. Go study game design theory and play some board games. You simply cannot have a permanent and yet dynamic conflict with only 2 sides. A 2-faction or 2-side system is inherently inbalanced. A 3-faction system is the most stable and self regulating system, even theoretically.
It's very simple really:
if you want a conflict that is resolved eventually (like a bg for example) make it a 2-sided one. The positive feedback loop will work towards ultimately making one side overwhelm the other.
If you want a conflict that is stable and permanent make it a 3-sided one with incentives for weaker factions to band against the stronger one. The negative feedback in this case will work towards stabilysing the system. (actually most times you don't even need banding incentives, basic human mammalian psychology takes care of this neatly in most cases)
In fact in board game design it is a major problem how to make multiple-faction games (games with more than 2 players) MORE imbalanced so someone gets to win eventually. You actually need to add inbalancing positive-feedback mechanics to ensure thath the damn game will end eventually, a problem which simply does not exist in 2-player games. In PvP mmos the situation is reversed. You DO NOT want anyone to win completely and thus "end" the game, driving the opposing faction away and thus permanently imbalancing the game further... except in instanced matches that is, and instanced matches is the only place in PvP mmos where 2-faction system is justified.
Mythic stumbled into this by pure chance imo and the major reason for the failure of WAR is that they didn't really know what they did with their 3-faction system in WAR. Instead of realizing what made DAoC RvR work, they decided to go for the same old lame GOOD vs EVIL crap straight out of fairy stories and hollywood cinema, which is completely inappropriate both for the IP and the persistent world conflict gameplay.
WAR's biggest problem right now is 2-factions which they cannot change because the map design of the world is totally subservient to it. Just for one consideration: 2-side conflict gets boring VERY fast. Go play WAR if you do not believe me. It is always the same run from capital A to capital B. More factions give you exponentially more possible conflict situations with each new faction you add. Again it is simple mathematics. A 2-faction system is a 1-dimensional array, 3-faction is 2-dimensional and 4-faction a 3 dimensional one etc
Take pen and paper and write letters A and B. Now draw a line between them. That's one line isn't it? Now write letter C and connect the letters. You now have 3 lines (possible conflicts = variety = PvP content). That's 3 times more PvP content for the price of adding 50% more material content. Following me? Now add letter D and count the lines. See the point?
2-factions = idiocy in PvP game design. Very simple. The only reason the dumb devs are still hanging onto it is the idiotic cultural "bad guys vs good guys" bias. Nothing more. The best PvP games always shied away from this 2-sided idiocy. It works in linear PvE (if that) but it is pure death in permanent PvP world design.
.. but from what I've seen and read so far I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be without world PvP at all. Probably just the heroic "kill boss in hole" PvE and instanced bgs. It's revolutionary and "next-gen" because you get to drive vehicles. Meh. I'll pass this one if for nothing else then respect for the IP. Meh.
dunny why everybody assumes that there will be only 2 sides at war, just based on that cookie cutter 3-liner that seems more copy pasted as a place holder description than anything. it isnt like they have given any clue at all about the setting nor the gameplay, and i doubt we will hear anything indeepth about those for at least another year.
also funny that some of those complaining have just recently said they want to play SWTOR, which EXPLICITLY stated by now that its a 2-faction game, period.
so far in the vidya we have seen imperium marines, chaos marines and orcs, I really doubt they intend orcs to join any of the former 2 sides. and I suppose the rest of races will either be added in the (lets not forget) 2 more years of development that the game has to endure, or will come in future expansions.
In the lore Tyranid and Necron invasions are blitkrieg attacks out of nowhere, and the empire doesnt know much about either. perfect leit motiv for an expac, same as Taus who rarely adventure outside their sphere of influence areas
and Eldars...oh well, I can see many people like them, so i guess they will be introduced sooner rather than later, but they are the reason why WAR40K IP scores a 99/100 instead of 100/100 in my personal scale...for gods sake, CANT WE FORGET ABOUT THE FUCKING ELVES FOR A DAMN SECOND?
copied from http://www.darkmillenniumonline.com/ under game info
On the very edge of the galaxy lies the Sargos Sector. For centuries it was rendered uninhabitable and isolated by volatile Warp Storms. Even now, deep within the sector the very fabric of reality is unraveling. Only the ancient Sentinel Devices hold the Warp at bay.
But the ravages of time and meddling of humanity have weakened the Sentinel Devices-and now, the battle for these ost worlds is at hand. Drawn to the conflict, the great races of the galaxy descend upon the Sargos Sector, seeking to preserve reality-or to tear it asunder.
Side with the forces of Order, or the vile hosts of Destruction, in a war that will unlock ancient secrets, reveal dark purposes, and determine the fate of the Sargos Sector. For in this dark millennium, there is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter.
sorry the last blurb sounds like 2 factions to me. At least it sounds like its not going to be just one planet but a sector of space don't know how many worlds there could be there but that seems like a plus. Now if they would be actually come out and say that other races or groups (i consider the different armies in 40k each a faction) then I will wait till mine come out and follow the game but if not its file 13, got tired of going to the WAR site over and over again and never to see my favorite races/armies made and never a word on expanding. And now according to most posts that I have read they would have to revamp the whole world to include other races so called WAR no joy long ago I check on it from time to time but can't find any reason I would want to play it.
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and still sounds like a placeholder for a website that wont see any update in at least 1 year to me, about as revealing as a Lore Ipsum...
omfgsbbq this is going to be awesome!!!
I hope you can change colours and badges, like in the DoW series. Warhammer is all about the colours and customizations. I hope they only showed the Black Templars because its too early to see more stuff about the customizations.
If you cant change colours, I will be very disappointed.
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All this stuff we are batting around is purely conjecture at this point true thats why I am going to be watching this game with a slight sense of anticipation because I will say I would probably 100% (ok 99% then.lol) play this game if it is not a 2 faction only limited races game. So this one, SW:TOR and the as yet to see the light of day but we have a few tidbits game from fledgling 38 studios are my most watched sites for any information I will add the page to my check weeklyish list, lol
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hmm Sad day when stupid devs are going to break another great IP.
What they should have made instead was this
1, Players CAN ONLY PLAY SPACE MARINES, all other races are NPC Exept Eldar and Dark Eldar
2, Players Creat there own Chapters( But have to pick names that are appropriate to the setting, cant call your chapter Pink space panthers for example), Upgrade it, have a homeworld, and special fighting tactics.
3, Chapters and players can become corrupted by the winds of chaos and fall from the grace of the Emperor, and start to follow ONE of the chaos gods. Those that become corrupted can attack other chapters freely, Space marine Chapters still loyal to the Emperor and Chapters that have also become corrupted and belong to one of the other chaos gods.
4, Eldar and dark Eldar fight both the other fractions and one another, they have no homeworlds to conqure as they live on there spaceships (if you follow old 40k lore) so they will act as rouge fractions attacking any one of the other two and eachoter just for the sake of WAR....
In this system you would have 3 way 4 way 5 way 6 way and even a 7 way of conflict if you ad in all the 4 chaos gods. And it would stay mush more true to the Lore....
A game like this would have potential, the old 2 side conflict is a dead horse its not fun.... I play EVE because there is alot more fun to have many enemies....
War40k is never a two-sided conflict as even in the Imperium of man there's more conflict between the three main powers there than anything.
The Space Marines don't take kindly to orders the IG tends to throw about and the IG Powers that be get real uptight about the SM always jumping in and taking all the glory. The inquisition mistrusts them all.
5 powers actually.
the mechanicum will have their own agendas in many situations, so while they usually wont hinder a victory at hand, they wont hesitate in spending as many men as necessary to protect certain technology.
and the administratum are the worst of them all, even tho they are non combatant
YOU SHUT YOUR WHORING MOUTH WHORE!
I'll be damned if you doom the one game I might play for longer then an hour..
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people are complaining about the graphics that actually fits with the lore. Sorry but if you look at all the pictures and also the board games that is how they actually look in that Universe.
I like what I've seen, any idea when is the game scheduled to arrive? 2011-2012?
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
As I recall from some of the space wolves books, no battle was every 1 on 1
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A fair observation, and I'd have to agree with you
To really do Titans accurately in 40K, they'd have to be as powerful in comparison to other units as...well....a Titan in EVE is to the majority of other ships. I just don't think that's a likely outcome in a game like this.
I wonder if they'll be fully-playable or if they'll just be moving support platforms and "squad leader" players can call in strikes or something...? Who knows, so little information is available at this time.
Also if there are Titans for the Imperium, you'd expect there to be some sort of super-heavy for other races as well. Chaos Titans, sure why not, that follows lore. An Ork Stompa? Maybe. Huge Squiggoths might be more fun though, hehe.
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wanted to quote in agreement with your wisdom, and also the WIN of the picture
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Oh man, Squigs. I'd be hauling ass that way. -->
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Pretty sure that "WoW in Space" is coming out already...it's called Star Wars: The Old Republic
Except there's some Mass Effect thrown in.
Currently playing: LOTRO, Guild Wars 2.
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Wishlist: Mass Effect Online
Tank017, I just wanted to commend you on being the first example that I've seen of someone who didn't follow this path:
Person A: "Warhammer is a WoW-copy, right?"
Person B: "Actually no, Warhammer was around first, WarCraft came about as a computerized version of the Warhammer tabletop miniature game, that's why they have so many similarities, but most people aren't aware of this in video game circles because they encountered WarCraft first."
(Typical) Person A: "Whatever, WarCraft > all. History and facts are for noobs."
That's where you differentiated from the typical response, very refreshing to read.
Just wanted to say thanks!! 
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Wishlist: Mass Effect Online
It so true.
But me hope it will be good.
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Your crazy, it looks like wow with a upgraded graphics, colors and all. and thats ok, but lets not pretend otherwise.
I know i know but but gamesworkshop, i don't care your right. But that fact doesn't change that it toaly looks warhammer and so does wow (if a loew quality with age wow).
One place it difference in the landscape and enviroment which looks more warhammer than wow.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
For those saying that the graphics/game models look exactly like WoW...
Yeah, I can see how they're pretty much exactly the same thing.....
EDIT: Sorry I should have noted that my comment is complete sarcasm.
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Wishlist: Mass Effect Online