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My sudden lack of "Hope"...
reillan
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The newest cinematic trailer for SWTOR shows a Jedi beating the stuffing out of a Sith using force pushes and something that looks like a hadouken. What happened to "A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack"?
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Ummm... have you ever seen a Star Wars movie? Seriously.
And since when does fighting off an invader simply considered an attack?
uhhh what? So you are saying Jedi should just only defend, and hope the person attacking them dies from exhuastion? Every single Jedi in the movies, and in other games, kills people to defend themselves or others.
Even the little padawan who almost escapes the jedi temple in ep3.
The Sith were destroying Aldaran. This jedi was trying to defend the troopers, and the planet.
Terrible point.
I'm saying "force attacks" are always the domain of the dark side. Jedi never use them in the movies or the books...
The jedi is hardly going to say "cmon Mr Sith, strike me so I can deflect your hits".
If someone is beating on you, you're going to use all at your disposal to fend them off. Which includes the use of The Force, grenades, lightsabers, Donny Osmond records, curling tongues, tree branches, dog bowls, blasters or anything you can get your hands on.
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lol No force attacks? lol ur cute.
Jedi are allowed to use the force to deflect blows, run away, and so on. In the KOTOR games, they were also allowed to use their force powers on droids, since droids were not living creatures. The moment they tried to use force powers to attack any living targets, they got dark side points, as it should be.
Jedi can attack with their lightsabers all they want - they're not using the force to power their lightsabers. Technically, in the books they weren't even allowed to use the force to direct their lightsabers in a throwing attack (although you could possibly argue that they could use their own strength to throw and then use the force to return the blade...)
I think I have to go back to my original question. have you ever seen a Star Wars movie? Ever?
It was just a super powered force push.
EDIT: And most people in here are missing the OPs point completely and I agree with him to an extent, however I don't think a super powered force push constitutes what he's saying. Now if the Jedi Consular has the ability to use force lightning then we will really have a problem.
Cinematic trailers are NOT what you use to judge what the actual game will be like. They are nothing more than marketing swag thrown out on the Internet to keep people talking.
I realize that... but the fact that they show something like that in the trailer has me a bit worried for the game... that's all...
I think a better question would be: have you? Because it's pretty clear by your asking that you have only seen them in passing, never read a book, never read any of the supplemental materials, trivia, etc...
Legitimate complaints about SWTOR don't exist. If there is a complaint, it is always illegitimate. This complaint just so happens to be on the far...far....far...very far.........far....side.
Can i just say this is quite dumb?
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That was a secret Jedi spell called Ice comet. Dewd, learn your Star Wars lore )
So, you dodge the question. Figures.
Some of the more badass cinematic guys won't work with someone elses storyboard, like the company that did the "Deceived" trailer. Its the price of having someone bad ass do your stuff.
I believe last years company was Blur or something, the guys that did this years Force Unleashed 2 trailer. They basically create what they will be working on, storyboard and all, potentially blowing some canonical thing in the process in favor of cool looking action.
While I personally was kind of iffy on the Hope cinematic, this may or may not have been the case with this years studio.
I guess the Force is pretty limitless in what it can do, so even stopping lightsabers with your hand is perfectly legit, though it makes someone seem ridiculously overpowered (compared to movie Vader, anyhow).
Anyhow, food for thought...
edit: changed a word
Blur made both Decieved and Hope
Honestly, i think people who make these games, cinematics, etc., want to keep the best interest of the IP as much as possible.
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What must also be remembered from a lore point of view is that the time in which SWTOR is set is different to both the movies and KOTOR itself. War has arrived. Things are no longer as "cut and dry" as they once were. And whilst the "purest" of pure Jedi may not believe in using the tactics used in that trailer, others may not be as "pure" in their beliefs.
Anyhow, it hardly matters. You could make up any old rubbish to back up why the jedi did what she did in the trailer.
Its just a trailer. Nothing more. Its not necessarily indicative of the game or anything else.
Some marketing dudes have just embellished what we know a Jedi usually does. Personally, I thought the previous trailer was better, but that's just me
Side note: Bioware please take note that the first time my droid makes that bloody stupid "wooooooo" high pitched screaming sound that Lucas got R2 to do in the prequels is when the bloody thing gets fired out of an airlock for good.
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^ Truth. Because if the trailer was indicative of the game, we'd have cartoony clone war graphics trailer with a lot of voice acting. And I've seen neither. And no, I don't care about the graphics or the voice acting. I am getting this game REGARDLESS.
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My sudden lack of "Hope"... When i saw the title of this thread i expected a comment on the graphics, gameplay, or something like that.
But you're concerned about a jedi fighting a sith? Hey, you don't even need to watch the movie to know that jedis fight sith and always will.
"Some people feel the rain. Others just get wet." -Bob Marley
I'm probably one of those people who just get wet.
I think you've got a poor perspective of the force, even Luke dipped in to the darkside between Empire and RoTJ. Only becoming a Jedi when the balance was obtained. A delicate balance of the force is what a jedi wants for a goal. Expecting no action when such a counter balance is engaged is just foolish.
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Its a pointless fight, sir.
These kids all just want action. Star Wars flavored-Matrix-Style, action. Thats all they want.
Sorry but you are wrong.
The Tenements of the Jedi Code also state (the relevant parts):
- A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for aggression or personal gain. (defending a planet from invasion seems to directly relate to this)
- Jedi must put the needs of the community above the needs of individuals. (again, defending the community of the planet from Sith invasion and destruction)
- A Jedi must protect the weak and defenseless from evil.(see above two)
- Jedi must always cooperate in battle or crisis.(assisting the soldiers in combat in defense of the planet)
Funny, i see alot of "Defense" in the above explanation........
The Jedi, according to the Tenements of the Jedi Code, had every right to use their force powers in combat.
it more about how they were fighting... mostly about the fact that Jedi was the force to attack with in a non-defensive way.
That was just the part with the massive force push, the rest was fine.
I was thinking same thing when I watched it.... I just chalked it up to begin a different era.
The assumption that all jedi will be 100% by-the-book and never use the force for attack is irrational. The jedi are not gods-- they are protectors of peace, and a protector will use all at his/her disposal to protect. The sith in the trailer was not simply going to 'surrender', he was not just going to 'go quietly'. He would have fought relentessly 'till the very end, there's no way they would have captured him and even if they did, holding him captive would have done nothing except endanger wherever he's being kept.
In times of war, jedi have to deal with the whole 'end 1life to save many', and usually those '1 life''s are a bunch of evil sith, and the 'many' are usually innocent civilians or soldiers trying to protect peace and such.