so your saying don fix the fundamental balance, gameplay or fare play flaws, just restrict potentialy new customers to enusre your growth is limited. /duh And that way we won't scare away any of the zombies that are giving us money now.
Do you understand the mechanic? If I could have 100 free accounts running doing everything, I would use them to exploit the open market, and other things in the game. As ISK translates into REAL MONEY IN EVE, you can actually pay for you gametime with your ingame money/ISK . The potential of people exploting the game is HUGE....
So limiting trail accounts by not letting you run multiple once on the same computer and not letting you train all skills is an esy way to safeguard a potential massive disaster...
If you are not just trolling but actually want to understand why this is you should read what others and myself have wrote in this post.
You can for example manafacture everything in EVE and we are because of this dependent on mining/to get minerals and manafactures to keep our Wars running and the PVP flowing to mush inbalance in this system is potentialy gamebreaking. SO haveing thousands of trails cleaning out belts in highsec, or running transports all over the place with collecting cheeper items to manipulate the market, could upset the balance of the game...
Free accounts are free but could make alot of ISK for an experinced player or in the hands of a CHinese farming company having 200 employess running free acounts 23/7 and selling that ISK to players for cheeper then CCP sell thier Plexes....
see where im going with this. If you want to earn alot of ISK in EvE running multiple accounts you can but you have to pay for it like everyone ells. Not have a Free setup with the license to PRINT YOUR OWN MONEY...
ah ha, that's the part they don't want you to see, all the necommers get stomped, by vets.
good thing they don't show us that part, then the decission to NOT join is even easyier.
tahnkyou all for the imput, your making my point stronger and stronger. love you
Here's something else that will drive you away.
You will never ever EVER, until the day EVE servers shut down forever, catch up to the SP of the players who have been around since '03, '04, '05.
But it's ok, you don't need to. You can take those players out on trial accounts. Which hopefully should drive you away too. If you play for the next 6yrs and keep all your skills training all the time, you can still be taken out by a player on a trial account.
Cya.
Quoted for the truth... You can get poped by anyone if you are not carfull and SP realy dont mean shit...
ISK on the other hand means everything. ISK is EVES levels a player with alot of money is what you would could compare to a maxed lvl charecter in another game. If you have ISK you can offset most Skills benefits with Gear, but Gear in EvE cost isk and can get destroyed. But if you have limitless with ISK that wont bother you and you can fit out a 2 billion ISK ships and shoot people in the face. Still you need to have some skills but Gear makes alot of diffrence, also fitting your ship out right can mean the diffrence betwen vicotory and defeat
no i don't like p2p, but that hasn't stopped me from 1year sub wow 3 year sub SWG, 2 year sub E&B, 3 year sub planetside etc.......
and if this game is so great and nothing wrong with being a trial member, you can kill a vet and everything, why the restrictions on the character advancement, after 14 days the trial is over and that character isn't killing anything.
and again making 100's of accounts is just a silly statement, only one person can play a game at one time, and if EvE can't stop botting then your "As close to real ecenomic structure" isn't that real.
Ok easy to solve, 14 day Limited trial offer advertizment (so i don't waste all your time)
and your right if EvE doens't have the skill to police or seperate trial from pay account then they are weak and don't deserve my money .
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always hiding behind the old exploiters and hackers thing, they ruin the game for paying customers doesn't say ANYTHING good about your game.
Ultimately it says the game has fundamental flaws with balance and fare play. If a development team can't prevent /police, or code out, those exploits then they are just riding the gravytrain that you jumped on with your CC in hand.
Not my type of TEAM!
again, thankyou all for the imput.
Who said that EvE was fair? its not a balanced mmo you know? its not what it is about? Is IRL fair? do we all make as mush money as Bill Gates?? Is it fair when a Western country exploits the hell out of the third world?? Do colombian drug cartels care who they hurt to make money?
EvE is the closest we can get to a real life economic game, Where you can foot stomp weaker entities into the ground. Where you can fight as a Reble, or Pirate other people, or scam them legaly... EvE is a harsh mistress and she has never been about fairplay or even plainfields.... That is what makes the game so great.....
ah ha, that's the part they don't want you to see, all the necommers get stomped, by vets.
good thing they don't show us that part, then the decission to NOT join is even easyier.
tahnkyou all for the imput, your making my point stronger and stronger. love you
You missed the point again my friend. EvE isent fair, because just like in IRL you can get shoot in the street by a drive by even if your name is TONY SOPRANO. its not fair because I can use my trail account to scam you in the contracts market. ITs not fair because I can use my 10 trail accounts to suiccede gank you in highsec before concord can shoot me. EvE is not fair because I can use my trail account to can flilp you in highsec and sabotage hours of your play time. So you know that is why there are limits to trail accounts to stop them from doing shit like that......You can ofc canflip people but you cant run 10 accounts at once on the same computer and you cant make contracts etc... those are just some of the things people would get up to if they had access to the hole game with trail accounts....
EvE is just not a fair game. ITs a game for those people that like to outsmart others. Its a game for intelligent people who like to plot and scheem others. And if getting Pawned from time to time is not something your EGO can handle EVE is not the game for you.
The reasons for the restrictions on the trial accounts have been listed on prior posts on this thread, eve is an FFA PvP game, this includes economic PvP, which is almost entirely the reason for the restrictions on trial accounts. I would suggest you read some of the reasons listed again and then think about it.
alright look op. its simple without the restirctions you can get a char decent in eve which then cause's the isk sellers tor return 10x fold. they put he restriction's in place to give all new players the feel of the game n to test/try it out. if it was limitless then spammers/isk sellers would go nuts with free accounts and destroy the game. Eve has done a excellent job at removing all isk sellers/bots/hackers from the game. Sounds to me you want a free ride in eve to spam free accounts. all you have done to every explanation to your intial post is try n break it down to where u get serverd everything on a platter. This is now wow or any other game. Eve is unique and different and harsh. its pve/pvp oriented and alot of fun. and Seems your not interested in this game and your just gonna rag on any1 that gives you a excellent response. So i suggest mods delete this thread as you wont accept any of our answer's unless it caters to your needs. Well sorry, Eve will not be changes to make ya happy. each year eves subs rise and more n more players play the game. I'm sure we can handle 1 who wont. Have a Great Day!
and again making 100's of accounts is just a silly statement, only one person can play a game at one time, and if EvE can't stop botting then your "As close to real ecenomic structure" isn't that real.
You can run several accounts at the same time and there's plenty of passive(offline) incomes. You obviously know nothing about Eve, but please do continue showing off your infinite wisdom.
and again making 100's of accounts is just a silly statement, only one person can play a game at one time, and if EvE can't stop botting then your "As close to real ecenomic structure" isn't that real.
You can run several accounts at the same time and there's plenty of passive(offline) incomes. You obviously know nothing about Eve, but please do continue showing off your infinite wisdom.
EvE is by far on of the best MMO's out there. It's been around for a very long time and has a huge undeground fanbase.
The trail is ment for you to stick with the tutorial, so you can learn all about the game and decide if it's for you or not. And if you play through the tut, which I'm assuming you didn't, then it points you in the general direction of the skill you can learn.
You can actually learn plenty of skills in the trail. I never encountered any you couldnt due to trail.
no i don't like p2p, but that hasn't stopped me from 1year sub wow 3 year sub SWG, 2 year sub E&B, 3 year sub planetside etc.......
and if this game is so great and nothing wrong with being a trial member, you can kill a vet and everything, why the restrictions on the character advancement, after 14 days the trial is over and that character isn't killing anything.
and again making 100's of accounts is just a silly statement, only one person can play a game at one time, and if EvE can't stop botting then your "As close to real ecenomic structure" isn't that real.
But I could make 10 and use them for suicced ganking runs if I could run them from one computer.. I have three screens and have manged up to 4 accounts at the same time. So I think I could run 10 mining accounts in highsec or do some cool ganking. Also I could put up a shitload of SCAMER contracts if I had access to that on my trail. Also I could train 10-20 accounts to do transport and set them all to auto pilot to collect things for me around Empire for cheep prices and then refine and sell them where they are more expencive.
I could also create free Cyno alts to open cyno points for my carrier pilot. With about 10 accounts running I Could use my Jump frighter to safly jump from 0,0 to Empire without any risk if I coudl train those skills on trails. I would no longer have to depend on anyone but myself. I would have my own one man ARMY... I can still do this but running 10 accounts at once would cost me alot of IRL money that im not willing to pay... plus would probably give me logistic nightmare having so many accounts. But if they where free and I could do it anytime I wanted to I probably would. as it wouldent cost me a shitload of money everytime I needed to use it....
There are alot of otherways that you could exploit the system if you could train everything on a trail but I cant list them all, and some I cant even come up with. But I bet that somone somwhere would find even more ways then I can think about to use those Free to train everything free accounts for a full out Exploitment of the Econamy trust me....
ps aslo as pointed out passive income from Planatary interaction and R&D agents could also bring in some nice passive income with my 10 accounts
ok , w/e obviously i'm wrong, it's ok to jsut deal with gold farmers instead of fix the problem so you can maximize on the continued crowth of your economic sim. screw the new customers opinion, why would we separate trail account from full accounts that would cost us money. don't listen to him his opinion doesn't count until he gives us money.
I mean I'm all for a non-restricted trail. But game company's rather tease you like a chinese hooker, than give you the full game for free for 7-14 days.
WoW's trail is by far the worst. I never met anyone in game that decided to play coming out of trail. It was a joke. But they need money not input.
ok , w/e obviously i'm wrong, it's ok to jsut deal with gold farmers instead of fix the problem so you can maximize on the continued crowth of your economic sim. screw the new customers opinion, why would we separate trail account from full accounts that would cost us money. don't listen to him his opinion doesn't count until he gives us money.
They have actually done the best thing I've ever seen to pretty much destroy gold farming.
You can buy Game Time Cards from CCP themselves, then sell those GTCs on the in-game market for some pretty decent ISK. Basically, RMT w/o anyone in the game really benefiting from it. In fact, if you do use your in-game money to buy the GTCs, you're hurting yourself (unless you're uber rich in game).
Gold Farmers can't keep up with the GTCs. If you go around to a few sites and look, the ISK sellers don't offer much of a discount than if you LEGALLY bought a GTC from CCP and sold it in game. If I was looking to buy ISK (which I have done actually) I would much rather take a small hit on how much ISK I got for my dollar and have an absolute garuntee that my account was safe from being banned.
ISK Farmers still exist, of course. But, I've been around since Jan '05 and they are no where NEAR what they used to be.
The purpose of the trial limitations really doesn't have much to do with ISK Farmers, imho, but everything to do with player exploitation. In a game that allows it's players to do whatever they want so long as they aren't exploiting bugs then you add in full fledge warfare that mimics the way real world wars are waged, tends to attract quite a few people who would love to take advantage of whatever mechanism they can use to get even the slightest upper hand on their opponent. As you can see by several people here admitting that if the Trials offered more than what they do, they would be all over them to win their wars.
ok , w/e obviously i'm wrong, it's ok to jsut deal with gold farmers instead of fix the problem so you can maximize on the continued crowth of your economic sim. screw the new customers opinion, why would we separate trail account from full accounts that would cost us money. don't listen to him his opinion doesn't count until he gives us money.
You beging to just look like a troll now man. There are a shitload of reasons as I have pointed out for WHY it would be a bad Idea to let me or others have an unlimited suply of free accounts to use as we please.
The reasons for this is the EvE skill trees arnt that deep so you can quickly train a charecter into a specific field. And having alot of charecters master some of the more high end parts of the game, and be able to utilize them to the fullest could potentialy break the game....
That the skill trees arnt deep is a good thing for new players as they can become competetive fast. But if everyone should have access to everything the would have to make the training times longer so that a trail account wont be able to have access to those skills..
Now Im asking straight out here Uzieb.. What would you most prefer. That its going to take you even longer to train to things taht you want to learn. Or that CCP puts a limit to what you can train on your account to stop potential exploitment of the system?
Its that esy to fix this but it would mean that NEW players Have to train EVEN longer in IRL time to catch up and become competetive.... What would you as a new potential customer most want?? train all skills on your trail account that you can have accesses to, but everything takes a few extra months to train or be limited but have the chans to become a full subscriber and train them right away???
ok , w/e obviously i'm wrong, it's ok to jsut deal with gold farmers instead of fix the problem so you can maximize on the continued crowth of your economic sim. screw the new customers opinion, why would we separate trail account from full accounts that would cost us money. don't listen to him his opinion doesn't count until he gives us money.
Clearly it is that simple, and you understand the systems in place well enough to say what can and cannot solve a problem.
Also seperating trial account from paid accounts causes the exact same problems as the restrictions already in place. It would not allow you to see the whole game, it's not a solution, it's a different problem.
Stop acting like you know the problems and all the solutions to them, this thread might as well be about how you won't play this game cause it's made by Icelanders.
I want 14 day trial of eve, not a limited version, if it takes longer in rl to train skills, i want to see that , i don't want a candy coated version, if they want my money i want to know what im spending it on.
also, everybody looks at me like im the troll. everybody defends how great of a job EvE has done at getting rid of all this exploitability, yet they still defend the restrictions. they have a full account and no restrictions to think of, why try and hinder the ability for advancement in the game if it doesn't effect them. and if it does effect them, that's when it's time for the dev team to make decissions, not time for the new customers to suffer.
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it's like , hay have a test drive of our car, oh ya this test drive vehicle is defferent from the one i want to sell you.
hehe well I think the simplest solutions would just be to move the potentialy gamebreaking SKills deeper into the skill tree. Making it imposible to learn them on a trail account becasue your 14 dayes pr 21 dayes would not be enough to have access to them and be able to train them.
But the downside to this would be it would take even Longer for New players to catch up. Now they could become competitive in just a few months time, but this change might mean they have to wait a year...
I would rather they have the limits to the trails then let new players get longer train times.... I think most new players would agree with me...
Um if you actually decided to pay the company that provides the game, then you too can enjoy unlimited advancement, as much as anyone else in Eve can. A trial is a trial, its NOT a free pass to play.
Edit, you tried, you didnt like it, you've given us all the benefit of your opinion, isnt it time to move on now, maybe to that free to play that has no RMT/Gold Farmers that seems to be your ideal?
I want 14 day trial of eve, not a limited version, if it takes longer in rl to train skills, i want to see that , i don't want a candy coated version, if they want my money i want to know what im spending it on.
also, everybody looks at me like im the troll. everybody defends how great of a job EvE has done at getting rid of all this exploitability, yet they still defend the restrictions. they have a full account and no restrictions to think of, why try and hinder the ability for advancement in the game if it doesn't effect them. and if it does effect them, that's when it's time for the dev team to make decissions, not time for the new customers to suffer.
What ship is your OP talking about anyway?
Destroyer? Destroyers blow ass, they are the most worthless ship class in the entire game. I'm pretty sure you can train Cruisers on Trial, but I've never seen a Cruiser that cost 1mil.
it's like , hay have a test drive of our car, oh ya this test drive vehicle is defferent from the one i want to sell you.
You must not buy new cars........... cause out of the 3 I've bought, I haven't test drove any of them because they weren't on the lot yet. But I did test drive the same model I was buying. lol
I want 14 day trial of eve, not a limited version, if it takes longer in rl to train skills, i want to see that , i don't want a candy coated version, if they want my money i want to know what im spending it on.
also, everybody looks at me like im the troll. everybody defends how great of a job EvE has done at getting rid of all this exploitability, yet they still defend the restrictions. they have a full account and no restrictions to think of, why try and hinder the ability for advancement in the game if it doesn't effect them. and if it does effect them, that's when it's time for the dev team to make decissions, not time for the new customers to suffer.
What ship is your OP talking about anyway?
Destroyer? Destroyers blow ass, they are the most worthless ship class in the entire game. I'm pretty sure you can train Cruisers on Trial, but I've never seen a Cruiser that cost 1mil.
Problem solved.
Dude Thrashers are pretty bad ass. You could become totally useful as a 3 day old newb in a small gang with a thrasher. You actually get to Damage shit, its much better than being a tackling dog or a underpowered cruiser pilot in that time.
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They carry lots of guns, which means they can gank and are powerful in large numbers. Exploitable by trial accounts and that's pretty much it. No self respecting player who's played for more than a month would be caught dead in anything but a salvaging Destroyer.
I want 14 day trial of eve, not a limited version, if it takes longer in rl to train skills, i want to see that , i don't want a candy coated version, if they want my money i want to know what im spending it on.
also, everybody looks at me like im the troll. everybody defends how great of a job EvE has done at getting rid of all this exploitability, yet they still defend the restrictions. they have a full account and no restrictions to think of, why try and hinder the ability for advancement in the game if it doesn't effect them. and if it does effect them, that's when it's time for the dev team to make decissions, not time for the new customers to suffer.
What ship is your OP talking about anyway?
Destroyer? Destroyers blow ass, they are the most worthless ship class in the entire game. I'm pretty sure you can train Cruisers on Trial, but I've never seen a Cruiser that cost 1mil.
Problem solved.
Dude Thrashers are pretty bad ass. You could become totally useful as a 3 day old newb in a small gang with a thrasher. You actually get to Damage shit, its much better than being a tackling dog or a underpowered cruiser pilot in that time.
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Do you understand the mechanic? If I could have 100 free accounts running doing everything, I would use them to exploit the open market, and other things in the game. As ISK translates into REAL MONEY IN EVE, you can actually pay for you gametime with your ingame money/ISK . The potential of people exploting the game is HUGE....
So limiting trail accounts by not letting you run multiple once on the same computer and not letting you train all skills is an esy way to safeguard a potential massive disaster...
If you are not just trolling but actually want to understand why this is you should read what others and myself have wrote in this post.
You can for example manafacture everything in EVE and we are because of this dependent on mining/to get minerals and manafactures to keep our Wars running and the PVP flowing to mush inbalance in this system is potentialy gamebreaking. SO haveing thousands of trails cleaning out belts in highsec, or running transports all over the place with collecting cheeper items to manipulate the market, could upset the balance of the game...
Free accounts are free but could make alot of ISK for an experinced player or in the hands of a CHinese farming company having 200 employess running free acounts 23/7 and selling that ISK to players for cheeper then CCP sell thier Plexes....
see where im going with this. If you want to earn alot of ISK in EvE running multiple accounts you can but you have to pay for it like everyone ells. Not have a Free setup with the license to PRINT YOUR OWN MONEY...
Quoted for the truth... You can get poped by anyone if you are not carfull and SP realy dont mean shit...
ISK on the other hand means everything. ISK is EVES levels a player with alot of money is what you would could compare to a maxed lvl charecter in another game. If you have ISK you can offset most Skills benefits with Gear, but Gear in EvE cost isk and can get destroyed. But if you have limitless with ISK that wont bother you and you can fit out a 2 billion ISK ships and shoot people in the face. Still you need to have some skills but Gear makes alot of diffrence, also fitting your ship out right can mean the diffrence betwen vicotory and defeat
no i don't like p2p, but that hasn't stopped me from 1year sub wow 3 year sub SWG, 2 year sub E&B, 3 year sub planetside etc.......
and if this game is so great and nothing wrong with being a trial member, you can kill a vet and everything, why the restrictions on the character advancement, after 14 days the trial is over and that character isn't killing anything.
and again making 100's of accounts is just a silly statement, only one person can play a game at one time, and if EvE can't stop botting then your "As close to real ecenomic structure" isn't that real.
You missed the point again my friend. EvE isent fair, because just like in IRL you can get shoot in the street by a drive by even if your name is TONY SOPRANO. its not fair because I can use my trail account to scam you in the contracts market. ITs not fair because I can use my 10 trail accounts to suiccede gank you in highsec before concord can shoot me. EvE is not fair because I can use my trail account to can flilp you in highsec and sabotage hours of your play time. So you know that is why there are limits to trail accounts to stop them from doing shit like that......You can ofc canflip people but you cant run 10 accounts at once on the same computer and you cant make contracts etc... those are just some of the things people would get up to if they had access to the hole game with trail accounts....
EvE is just not a fair game. ITs a game for those people that like to outsmart others. Its a game for intelligent people who like to plot and scheem others. And if getting Pawned from time to time is not something your EGO can handle EVE is not the game for you.
The reasons for the restrictions on the trial accounts have been listed on prior posts on this thread, eve is an FFA PvP game, this includes economic PvP, which is almost entirely the reason for the restrictions on trial accounts. I would suggest you read some of the reasons listed again and then think about it.
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F2P/P2P excellent thread.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/282517/F2P-An-Engineers-perspective.html
alright look op. its simple without the restirctions you can get a char decent in eve which then cause's the isk sellers tor return 10x fold. they put he restriction's in place to give all new players the feel of the game n to test/try it out. if it was limitless then spammers/isk sellers would go nuts with free accounts and destroy the game. Eve has done a excellent job at removing all isk sellers/bots/hackers from the game. Sounds to me you want a free ride in eve to spam free accounts. all you have done to every explanation to your intial post is try n break it down to where u get serverd everything on a platter. This is now wow or any other game. Eve is unique and different and harsh. its pve/pvp oriented and alot of fun. and Seems your not interested in this game and your just gonna rag on any1 that gives you a excellent response. So i suggest mods delete this thread as you wont accept any of our answer's unless it caters to your needs. Well sorry, Eve will not be changes to make ya happy. each year eves subs rise and more n more players play the game. I'm sure we can handle 1 who wont. Have a Great Day!
You can run several accounts at the same time and there's plenty of passive(offline) incomes. You obviously know nothing about Eve, but please do continue showing off your infinite wisdom.
I mine with 3 at once.
2 Hulks and a Hauler.
Just sayin.
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Back to original post. It made me laugh.
EvE is by far on of the best MMO's out there. It's been around for a very long time and has a huge undeground fanbase.
The trail is ment for you to stick with the tutorial, so you can learn all about the game and decide if it's for you or not. And if you play through the tut, which I'm assuming you didn't, then it points you in the general direction of the skill you can learn.
You can actually learn plenty of skills in the trail. I never encountered any you couldnt due to trail.
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But I could make 10 and use them for suicced ganking runs if I could run them from one computer.. I have three screens and have manged up to 4 accounts at the same time. So I think I could run 10 mining accounts in highsec or do some cool ganking. Also I could put up a shitload of SCAMER contracts if I had access to that on my trail. Also I could train 10-20 accounts to do transport and set them all to auto pilot to collect things for me around Empire for cheep prices and then refine and sell them where they are more expencive.
I could also create free Cyno alts to open cyno points for my carrier pilot. With about 10 accounts running I Could use my Jump frighter to safly jump from 0,0 to Empire without any risk if I coudl train those skills on trails. I would no longer have to depend on anyone but myself. I would have my own one man ARMY... I can still do this but running 10 accounts at once would cost me alot of IRL money that im not willing to pay... plus would probably give me logistic nightmare having so many accounts. But if they where free and I could do it anytime I wanted to I probably would. as it wouldent cost me a shitload of money everytime I needed to use it....
There are alot of otherways that you could exploit the system if you could train everything on a trail but I cant list them all, and some I cant even come up with. But I bet that somone somwhere would find even more ways then I can think about to use those Free to train everything free accounts for a full out Exploitment of the Econamy trust me....
ps aslo as pointed out passive income from Planatary interaction and R&D agents could also bring in some nice passive income with my 10 accounts
ok , w/e obviously i'm wrong, it's ok to jsut deal with gold farmers instead of fix the problem so you can maximize on the continued crowth of your economic sim. screw the new customers opinion, why would we separate trail account from full accounts that would cost us money. don't listen to him his opinion doesn't count until he gives us money.
I mean I'm all for a non-restricted trail. But game company's rather tease you like a chinese hooker, than give you the full game for free for 7-14 days.
WoW's trail is by far the worst. I never met anyone in game that decided to play coming out of trail. It was a joke. But they need money not input.
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They have actually done the best thing I've ever seen to pretty much destroy gold farming.
You can buy Game Time Cards from CCP themselves, then sell those GTCs on the in-game market for some pretty decent ISK. Basically, RMT w/o anyone in the game really benefiting from it. In fact, if you do use your in-game money to buy the GTCs, you're hurting yourself (unless you're uber rich in game).
Gold Farmers can't keep up with the GTCs. If you go around to a few sites and look, the ISK sellers don't offer much of a discount than if you LEGALLY bought a GTC from CCP and sold it in game. If I was looking to buy ISK (which I have done actually) I would much rather take a small hit on how much ISK I got for my dollar and have an absolute garuntee that my account was safe from being banned.
ISK Farmers still exist, of course. But, I've been around since Jan '05 and they are no where NEAR what they used to be.
The purpose of the trial limitations really doesn't have much to do with ISK Farmers, imho, but everything to do with player exploitation. In a game that allows it's players to do whatever they want so long as they aren't exploiting bugs then you add in full fledge warfare that mimics the way real world wars are waged, tends to attract quite a few people who would love to take advantage of whatever mechanism they can use to get even the slightest upper hand on their opponent. As you can see by several people here admitting that if the Trials offered more than what they do, they would be all over them to win their wars.
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You beging to just look like a troll now man. There are a shitload of reasons as I have pointed out for WHY it would be a bad Idea to let me or others have an unlimited suply of free accounts to use as we please.
The reasons for this is the EvE skill trees arnt that deep so you can quickly train a charecter into a specific field. And having alot of charecters master some of the more high end parts of the game, and be able to utilize them to the fullest could potentialy break the game....
That the skill trees arnt deep is a good thing for new players as they can become competetive fast. But if everyone should have access to everything the would have to make the training times longer so that a trail account wont be able to have access to those skills..
Now Im asking straight out here Uzieb.. What would you most prefer. That its going to take you even longer to train to things taht you want to learn. Or that CCP puts a limit to what you can train on your account to stop potential exploitment of the system?
Its that esy to fix this but it would mean that NEW players Have to train EVEN longer in IRL time to catch up and become competetive.... What would you as a new potential customer most want?? train all skills on your trail account that you can have accesses to, but everything takes a few extra months to train or be limited but have the chans to become a full subscriber and train them right away???
Clearly it is that simple, and you understand the systems in place well enough to say what can and cannot solve a problem.
Also seperating trial account from paid accounts causes the exact same problems as the restrictions already in place. It would not allow you to see the whole game, it's not a solution, it's a different problem.
Stop acting like you know the problems and all the solutions to them, this thread might as well be about how you won't play this game cause it's made by Icelanders.
mostly what I want is just as i stated in my OP.
I want 14 day trial of eve, not a limited version, if it takes longer in rl to train skills, i want to see that , i don't want a candy coated version, if they want my money i want to know what im spending it on.
also, everybody looks at me like im the troll. everybody defends how great of a job EvE has done at getting rid of all this exploitability, yet they still defend the restrictions. they have a full account and no restrictions to think of, why try and hinder the ability for advancement in the game if it doesn't effect them. and if it does effect them, that's when it's time for the dev team to make decissions, not time for the new customers to suffer.
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it's like , hay have a test drive of our car, oh ya this test drive vehicle is defferent from the one i want to sell you.
hehe well I think the simplest solutions would just be to move the potentialy gamebreaking SKills deeper into the skill tree. Making it imposible to learn them on a trail account becasue your 14 dayes pr 21 dayes would not be enough to have access to them and be able to train them.
But the downside to this would be it would take even Longer for New players to catch up. Now they could become competitive in just a few months time, but this change might mean they have to wait a year...
I would rather they have the limits to the trails then let new players get longer train times.... I think most new players would agree with me...
Um if you actually decided to pay the company that provides the game, then you too can enjoy unlimited advancement, as much as anyone else in Eve can. A trial is a trial, its NOT a free pass to play.
Edit, you tried, you didnt like it, you've given us all the benefit of your opinion, isnt it time to move on now, maybe to that free to play that has no RMT/Gold Farmers that seems to be your ideal?
F2P/P2P excellent thread.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/282517/F2P-An-Engineers-perspective.html
What ship is your OP talking about anyway?
Destroyer? Destroyers blow ass, they are the most worthless ship class in the entire game. I'm pretty sure you can train Cruisers on Trial, but I've never seen a Cruiser that cost 1mil.
Problem solved.
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that's why it has a 14 day limit right, /duh
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You must not buy new cars........... cause out of the 3 I've bought, I haven't test drove any of them because they weren't on the lot yet. But I did test drive the same model I was buying. lol
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Dude Thrashers are pretty bad ass. You could become totally useful as a 3 day old newb in a small gang with a thrasher. You actually get to Damage shit, its much better than being a tackling dog or a underpowered cruiser pilot in that time.
Thrasher = Win!!!!!
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They carry lots of guns, which means they can gank and are powerful in large numbers. Exploitable by trial accounts and that's pretty much it. No self respecting player who's played for more than a month would be caught dead in anything but a salvaging Destroyer.
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Hmm, why not give Ryzom a go, it has an UNLIMITED 21 day trial, but then again, its am entirely different game to eve in some ways.
F2P/P2P excellent thread.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/282517/F2P-An-Engineers-perspective.html