Any PvP game is going to attack young males who like to trash talk. . Global chats are responsible for a game getting a bad rep as a bad community. . Say one out of 50 people in the population is an arsehat. If you have small zone-wide channels, the odds of an arsehat being in channel is slim and people can shout down one or two arsehats. . But if you have a global channel with a thousand people in it, that's a lot of arsehats. You can't shout them down and they start supporting each other with lolcopters, etc. . EQ2 had a rep as a good community until they set up a global chat a year or so back. . LotRo has a rep as a good community. It has no corporate global chat. However it does have a player made /glff channel. Yes, it has areshats in it. . I'm convinced that outside of PvP servers, all game communities are about the same as far as arsehattery goes. Even WoW's. WoW does have global chat in /trade.
Guild Wars at launch had the worst community I have ever seen. The constant spam, and the nature of that spam, were simply awful. I don't know how it is now because I didn't play it for very long, that being one of the reasons.
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
Yes, PvP-centric games seem to be cesspools for social misfits, don't they.
I would agree with AoC. Chat in this game is emberassing....We always throw around the insult of someone being a kid but I think in the case of AoC it might as well be true the chat as far as I have seen it is more about porn and hentai than actual game related stuff.
Age Of Conan (pvp Server - Fury in the eu is unbeliveable. There was some decent heads on the pve server though to be fair) and Global Agenda. I actualy found Eve and Darkfall to have generaly helpfull and nice communitys. From the looks of things I got lucky
EDIT: Oh, I forgot to add that as bad as Eve players are in-game, that pales in comparison to how objectionable those little freaks are in forums.
Weird as this may sound, you yourself are a little freak to the other little freaks. Everyone ELSE is a little freak, thats how it works in reality i think.
You know what's really funny is that all of them listed so far with the exception of GW are P2P. I thought the big debate here at mmorpg the last few weeks was about F2P and how much there communities suck.
That's what P2P proponents would like you to think...
Yep, this thread is pretty much F2P PvE fanboi propaganda... might as well watch Glenn Beck for your news.
*sigh*
(I wonder how many times I've had to quote this on the forums today...)
"In the absence on any real facts, the small-minded always turn to a more sinister explanation."
Probably because Virus (and other sane people) stay away from F2P games so as to not interact with their communities; perhaps we could just put "all f2P games" here, but since the OP is asking for specifics, I'll go ahead and say F2P RuneScape. The Members' version is slightly more bearable, but try playing it for free and you'll quit in 5 minutes.
I played a F2P called Knight Online a few years back. The servers were overrun by Turkish people within a month, and there was no community for English-speakers.
After that, I stayed away from F2P. More because of the typical game mechanics, but also because of the communities. Then again, community is really who you choose to interact with; MMOs these days have tools to isolate yourself, such as ignore, block, /leavechannel, /turnoffPMs, etc. You can't stop all the idiots, but you can stop most of them, and as long as you find a mature Guild/Kin/Clan/Association/Congolmerate/Coalition/Mafia, you should be okay.
And I must say, some P2P games do have bad communities, but I've seen the best communities too, and they're all P2P. I also agree that PvP-centric games do tend to have worse communities, but unlike some other sentiments in this thread, I think EVE's is one of the best. If you don't get the game and you're a doofus about it, they'll treat you the way you deserve to be treated. If you're friendly and ask for help, most of them will help you. Unless you're silly enough to go into low/null-sec space. That's the big boys playground, so don't be upset if you're pushed down a couple of times.
Specific communities may have been superior in the past, but I think they are all crap now. I think it's a combination of people who have always had the internet in their lives (lacking social skills that they can't get online), and a shockingly high abuse level of SSRI's/Ritalin in the late 90's that got us to this point.
A lot of people are not only socially impossible, many have unknown levels of long term brain damage all thanks to their own stupidity and Doctors that were more than happy to write yet another prescription to help make Big Pharma that much fatter.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
EVE. There are far too many in EVE that have no tolerance for new players. CCP is trying to change this, but they are getting ripped for being 'carebears'. You even sneeze next to the wrong asteroid, you and your corporation are toast. The game is fantastic, but it breeds the kind of player that would burn down your house and laugh at your screaming children. Ironically, I enjoy this aspect as part of the challenge. It certainly reminds me to make sure my insurance is current!
EVE. There are far too many EVE that have no tolerance for new players. CCP is trying to change this, but they are getting ripped for being 'carebears'.You even sneeze next to the wrong asteroid, you and your corporation are toast. The game is fantastic, but it breeds the kind of player that would burn down your house and laugh at your screaming children.
Specific communities may have been superior in the past, but I think they are all crap now. I think it's a combination of people who have always had the internet in their lives (lacking social skills that they can't get online), and a shockingly high abuse level of SSRI's/Ritalin in the late 90's that got us to this point.
A lot of people are not only socially impossible, many have unknown levels of long term brain damage all thanks to their own stupidity and Doctors that were more than happy to write yet another prescription to help make Big Pharma that much fatter.
Wow...there is a shit ton of truth in what you just said.
I've played SWG (Pre-CU, CU and NGE), LOTRO, AoC, Vanguard, EQII, and STO and for me it's SWG-NGE hands down for the worst Community...Drama, drama, drama, and more drama...Good God there are some REALLY messed up Star Wars Fans...lol...Most of My Guild was great in SWG, but we still had our fair share of elitists, know-it-alls, and dumb Kids who loved to cause drama. Could not believe some of the garbage I came across in that Game. It was mind-numbing. I wondered quite often if some of these Folks had any idea whatsoever how to simply have fun. Then the PvP Community and all that drama all the time...Overall for Me it's SWG-NGE hands down for worst Community ever...
This sums it all up right here. Doesn't matter which game your currently playing, or particularly focus on. The internet is just a soap box for people. Some can argue the age gap and friction of generation clash, but at the end of the day its just the quality of online social interaction is not what it should be.
STO was the worst community for me. The whole lifers demanding special priviliges all the time (and getting them in some cases) was just a bit too much.
While any game that has a small playerbase and is coop-centered has mostly nice communities.
Vanguard: Saga of Heroes has atm one of the nicest communities. Why?
Because the people there, at least the prople I've played with, were mostly grown-up roleplay-nerds and their wife. You know, that 35-year old college graduate with his fatherly 'allrighty mate, let's go get step 2 for circadia again, so we can all finish this quest together'-attitude.
I know many testosterone-laden kids, geekdom-devoured minmaxers and PvP 'life is WAAAR'-idiots will call them carebears, but all in all, Vanguard had THE most relaxing and fun evenings (with as-close-as-it-gets-friends).
M
P.S: Oh yes, and many people in EvE are idiots, the game promotes this though, get a corp and crush all they've played for during the last two years. Nothing like.
This sums it all up right here. Doesn't matter which game your currently playing, or particularly focus on. The internet is just a soap box for people. Some can argue the age gap and friction of generation clash, but at the end of the day its just the quality of online social interaction is not what it should be.
Considering what they show on TV and what you hear people talking about on the street I doubt this is a internet phenomenon. People are mainly just ignorant. Don't wanna start a huge discussion bout this, but if people - especially in 'our' societies - were half as full of themselves everything would be a LOT smoother. From football training to politics.
EVE. There are far too many in EVE that have no tolerance for new players. CCP is trying to change this, but they are getting ripped for being 'carebears'. You even sneeze next to the wrong asteroid, you and your corporation are toast. The game is fantastic, but it breeds the kind of player that would burn down your house and laugh at your screaming children. Ironically, I enjoy this aspect as part of the challenge. It certainly reminds me to make sure my insurance is current!
I've seen very little intolerance for new players. The groups in Eve that catch a lot of flack are high sec mission runners and players who have the victim mentality.
Yes corporations can be very territorial but that is all part of the game. It gives meaning to the wars, unlike other games where players fight just for the sake of fighting.
Of course there are idiots in the game. My corporation was recently at war with another corp who took it very personally. Normally smacktalk is slightly comical and directed at the corp, these guys did their best to curse out individual members and to be as insulting and crude as possible. But hey, it takes all kinds...
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own. -- Herman Melville
. I wouldn't doubt that. It's partly free to play and runs off the browser meaning anyone and everyone can roll a toon. . My guess is that once you're outside the noob area, the community gets better.
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Im thinking a tie between Darkfall and AoC (pvp servers only)
both will make you logg off with a bad taste in your mouth,
The following statement is false
The previous statement is true
Any PvP game is going to attack young males who like to trash talk.
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Global chats are responsible for a game getting a bad rep as a bad community.
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Say one out of 50 people in the population is an arsehat. If you have small zone-wide channels, the odds of an arsehat being in channel is slim and people can shout down one or two arsehats.
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But if you have a global channel with a thousand people in it, that's a lot of arsehats. You can't shout them down and they start supporting each other with lolcopters, etc.
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EQ2 had a rep as a good community until they set up a global chat a year or so back.
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LotRo has a rep as a good community. It has no corporate global chat. However it does have a player made /glff channel. Yes, it has areshats in it.
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I'm convinced that outside of PvP servers, all game communities are about the same as far as arsehattery goes. Even WoW's. WoW does have global chat in /trade.
Well shave my back and call me an elf! -- Oghren
Guild Wars at launch had the worst community I have ever seen. The constant spam, and the nature of that spam, were simply awful. I don't know how it is now because I didn't play it for very long, that being one of the reasons.
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
I would agree with AoC. Chat in this game is emberassing....We always throw around the insult of someone being a kid but I think in the case of AoC it might as well be true the chat as far as I have seen it is more about porn and hentai than actual game related stuff.
Age Of Conan (pvp Server - Fury in the eu is unbeliveable. There was some decent heads on the pve server though to be fair) and Global Agenda. I actualy found Eve and Darkfall to have generaly helpfull and nice communitys. From the looks of things I got lucky
Weird as this may sound, you yourself are a little freak to the other little freaks. Everyone ELSE is a little freak, thats how it works in reality i think.
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Probably because Virus (and other sane people) stay away from F2P games so as to not interact with their communities; perhaps we could just put "all f2P games" here, but since the OP is asking for specifics, I'll go ahead and say F2P RuneScape. The Members' version is slightly more bearable, but try playing it for free and you'll quit in 5 minutes.
I played a F2P called Knight Online a few years back. The servers were overrun by Turkish people within a month, and there was no community for English-speakers.
After that, I stayed away from F2P. More because of the typical game mechanics, but also because of the communities. Then again, community is really who you choose to interact with; MMOs these days have tools to isolate yourself, such as ignore, block, /leavechannel, /turnoffPMs, etc. You can't stop all the idiots, but you can stop most of them, and as long as you find a mature Guild/Kin/Clan/Association/Congolmerate/Coalition/Mafia, you should be okay.
And I must say, some P2P games do have bad communities, but I've seen the best communities too, and they're all P2P. I also agree that PvP-centric games do tend to have worse communities, but unlike some other sentiments in this thread, I think EVE's is one of the best. If you don't get the game and you're a doofus about it, they'll treat you the way you deserve to be treated. If you're friendly and ask for help, most of them will help you. Unless you're silly enough to go into low/null-sec space. That's the big boys playground, so don't be upset if you're pushed down a couple of times.
The internet as a whole.
Specific communities may have been superior in the past, but I think they are all crap now. I think it's a combination of people who have always had the internet in their lives (lacking social skills that they can't get online), and a shockingly high abuse level of SSRI's/Ritalin in the late 90's that got us to this point.
A lot of people are not only socially impossible, many have unknown levels of long term brain damage all thanks to their own stupidity and Doctors that were more than happy to write yet another prescription to help make Big Pharma that much fatter.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
EVE. There are far too many in EVE that have no tolerance for new players. CCP is trying to change this, but they are getting ripped for being 'carebears'. You even sneeze next to the wrong asteroid, you and your corporation are toast. The game is fantastic, but it breeds the kind of player that would burn down your house and laugh at your screaming children. Ironically, I enjoy this aspect as part of the challenge. It certainly reminds me to make sure my insurance is current!
First part (red) - nope.
Middle part (yellow) - possible.
Last part (green) - yup.
Wow...there is a shit ton of truth in what you just said.
Darkfall has the worst community by far, which is why neither myself or my friends play anymore.
I've played SWG (Pre-CU, CU and NGE), LOTRO, AoC, Vanguard, EQII, and STO and for me it's SWG-NGE hands down for the worst Community...Drama, drama, drama, and more drama...Good God there are some REALLY messed up Star Wars Fans...lol...Most of My Guild was great in SWG, but we still had our fair share of elitists, know-it-alls, and dumb Kids who loved to cause drama. Could not believe some of the garbage I came across in that Game. It was mind-numbing. I wondered quite often if some of these Folks had any idea whatsoever how to simply have fun. Then the PvP Community and all that drama all the time...Overall for Me it's SWG-NGE hands down for worst Community ever...
Darkfall hands down, but a close second is Age of Conan : Tyranny server.
You have to just avoid reading anything but Alliance and clan chat in darkfall. If you dare to read any other you will lose hope in the human race.
This sums it all up right here. Doesn't matter which game your currently playing, or particularly focus on. The internet is just a soap box for people. Some can argue the age gap and friction of generation clash, but at the end of the day its just the quality of online social interaction is not what it should be.
STO was the worst community for me. The whole lifers demanding special priviliges all the time (and getting them in some cases) was just a bit too much.
Any PvP centric game really.
While any game that has a small playerbase and is coop-centered has mostly nice communities.
Vanguard: Saga of Heroes has atm one of the nicest communities. Why?
Because the people there, at least the prople I've played with, were mostly grown-up roleplay-nerds and their wife. You know, that 35-year old college graduate with his fatherly 'allrighty mate, let's go get step 2 for circadia again, so we can all finish this quest together'-attitude.
I know many testosterone-laden kids, geekdom-devoured minmaxers and PvP 'life is WAAAR'-idiots will call them carebears, but all in all, Vanguard had THE most relaxing and fun evenings (with as-close-as-it-gets-friends).
M
P.S: Oh yes, and many people in EvE are idiots, the game promotes this though, get a corp and crush all they've played for during the last two years. Nothing like.
Darkfall. Hands down. Cesspool of fanboism, elitism and social neglect.
He who keeps his cool best wins.
Considering what they show on TV and what you hear people talking about on the street I doubt this is a internet phenomenon. People are mainly just ignorant. Don't wanna start a huge discussion bout this, but if people - especially in 'our' societies - were half as full of themselves everything would be a LOT smoother. From football training to politics.
M
Runescape
I've seen very little intolerance for new players. The groups in Eve that catch a lot of flack are high sec mission runners and players who have the victim mentality.
Yes corporations can be very territorial but that is all part of the game. It gives meaning to the wars, unlike other games where players fight just for the sake of fighting.
Of course there are idiots in the game. My corporation was recently at war with another corp who took it very personally. Normally smacktalk is slightly comical and directed at the corp, these guys did their best to curse out individual members and to be as insulting and crude as possible. But hey, it takes all kinds...
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own.
-- Herman Melville
I wouldn't doubt that. It's partly free to play and runs off the browser meaning anyone and everyone can roll a toon.
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My guess is that once you're outside the noob area, the community gets better.
Well shave my back and call me an elf! -- Oghren
Vanguard has a pretty bad community but the worst community Ive encountered has got to be AION.
Blizzard's new unannounced mmo will be the worst.
No way, Cryptic's new unannounced mmo will be the worst.
edit: Because like WoW, Blizzard's new unannounced mmo will have no community.
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Explorer: 87%, Killer: 67%, Achiever: 27%, Socializer: 20%