ummm the controlls for this game are already posted on other sites and is available for anyone to look at.... AND they look overly complicated compared to FFXI but not by much.
I'm not offended, nor do I need help to "understanding" anything.
You are completley deluded though, if you think they are just trying to make a new game for loyal FF XI customers. They are promoting this as a casual friendly MMO for the mass market. They are a business, and as such want to make as much profit as possible. Not keep that profit low, simply because they have a niche crowd.
They only thing they are staying loyal to is the FF storylines, etc.
Apparently you do need "understanding" and are the one that is deluded...hehe
ZAM: Well, we can agree companies make games that are different from one another. I was just curious as to why FFXIV is so very, very similar. Most companies, when they make additional MMOs, they try to change their focus so that they don't take their existing consumer base away from a game that's already established. I guess the question is, aside from the obvious "the same talent behind the game," aspect, why was the decision made to make FFXIV so similar to FFXI?
Tanaka: FFXI has been out for about eight years now; the graphical engine we used is very old. In that sense, we wanted to have something that the FFXI players can smoothly move on to. So yes, in that sense, it could be very similar to Final Fantasy XI, so it's easier to switch for them. Also, for the race, that's something that we did on purpose to make it very similar to FFXI so that it's easier for people to go from FFXI to come to FFXIV, so that's why I feel it's very similar. As you mentioned earlier, maybe other companies make totally different MMOs to not get users from their original MMOs, but in this, I think we have a different policy or something in that sense. We are providing FFXIV for the FFXI community - as another game they can enjoy, so that's the primary target. Also, we want Final Fantasy players to enjoy the game who haven't played MMOs before, and we also want MMO players who haven't played the Final Fantasy series. We are trying to reach several different targets, but the first one will be FFXI players.
Err, they are making a FF game and of course they want to move their existing customer base to XIV, as for a baseline that is all they have. They have however stated from the very start this is surposed to be aimed more at causal players. Claiming they need to make the game more friendly to the masses. That does not excuse poor controls, when all they need to do is add options to keep both camps happy. Try to defend not adding fexlibily is simply ridiculous and just screems fanboi. Giving options leading to an increased playerbase would be an extrememly wise move.
It isn't I or the others that are delued, but those existing FF XI players/fanbois who think they are making this game just for them. What you posted even states they aren't.
Keep on pushing for a poor game, simply because of being a XI fanboi and you may just get one. FF XI bombed on the western front, because of its poor design. Those complaining are simply highlighting they (SE) have not learned, and are pushing for them to listen, as they actually want to play a quality FF MMO. If they don't listen, then it will go the same way as AoC at launch, or even worse.
We are providing FFXIV for the FFXI community - as another game they can enjoy, so that's the primary target.
What you posted even states they aren't. ^That clearly says they are...
FF XI bombed on the western front, because of its poor design. Those complaining are simply highlighting they (SE) have not learned, and are pushing for them to listen, as they actually want to play a quality FF product.
Right, because FFXI being in the top 5 US MMOs for 8+ years now, yet it somehow bombed. Everything besides <that one game> has done severely poor to the point of merging servers down to 2-4; too tossing the boxes in the clearance bin within a month, even switching to F2P just to stay alive, or shutting down entirely.
Whereas FFXI has never had those problems during its entire run thus far, yet it bombed. rofl
Clearly non-FF-fans just don't want to accept that another MMO with a differnt playstyle can be successful, and you all keep tossing around this industry standard BS of WASD+Mouse...which less than a dozen MMO I can think of have done ok with, the rest have mediocre controls or are still point and click, and KB supported.
Even most the major US gaming sites won't even acknowledge FFXIV existence, like G4 and their MMO Report covering E3, a 40min edition and not a single mention of XIV at E3, yet they still covered Guild Wars 2 that wasn't even there. Same with TTH, IGN, 1UP, Gametrailers and many others...they barely mention FFXIV. Massively however has embraced it and I love their coverage.
Anyway...continue to complain how bad you think FFXIV may turn out, but you are dead wrong...and will be given solid proof of how great it'll be for many in a few short months! -sans the consistent whiners...we all know your stance already so give up already, and go play what you do like.
LOL, its not been in the top 5. It died a death, when most of its players moved to WoW after complaining about the poor content and controls. For the record, I'm not a fan of WoW either. XI has however been within the top MMOs worldwide, but simply because of the Asian audience.
XIV generally bombed at E3. Which is most likely why there's been little coverage. Again, due to its poor controls and unclarity within play. Have you not seen the lengthy promo they (SE) put out, where the poor guy can't control it?
I'm actually in the beta, and want it to succeed. Unlike some that are happy for it to bomb, simply because they want it to be (near) identical to their existing game just with updated graphics. For it to succeed it needs to change from what people saw at E3. Will it? I simply don't know, but am hoping. Will I tell anyone if it has? No, but only because of the NDA.
From your very post "Also, we want Final Fantasy players to enjoy the game who haven't played MMOs before, and we also want MMO players who haven't played the Final Fantasy series. We are trying to reach several different targets". Now please quit with the "they are making the game for us XI players" attitude, as they aren't. Such players are amongst the target audiance and a priority concern, that is all. SE's goal, as it clearly states is to widen that audience.
Also if you can't think of many MMOs that use the industry standard controls, then you've clearly not played many. Otherwise, have been simply focusing on XI and cheap F2P hack jobs.
Now please quit with the "they are making the game for us XI players" attitude, as they aren't. Such players are amongst the target audiance and a priority concern, that is all. SE's goal, as it clearly states is to widen that audience.
And you're correct, it clearly states that they plan to widen their audience after the fact that it clearly states they wish to satisfy their current FFXI playbase as priority one! They've been doing this with every Final Fantasy game, not just XIV...
You were saying, I'm just gonna keep backing up what I say with fact, and proving you wrong. For FFXI being in the top 5 for its sixth and eight years in these reports, and more than likely in its 7ths as well {that I can't locate for now...} Now tell me again how much FFXI bombed in the US!? This time see if you can back it up with facts....which I know you can't so don't even try.
Quite an accurate (and factual) list you've made there. Especially as GW, DDO and Runescape aren't even subsciption based.
Only thing you could say was blaming the title of the artilces as my fault...rofl
Nope, its also complete bull. You/the report are confusing world wide figures. However its not the topic of this thread, so I'm willing to let it die.
Asian subscriptions sway things a lot, even for WoW. Out of its 11'ish million subs, only about 4.5 million is from the west. XI is successful in Asia, but not in the west.
Quite an accurate (and factual) list you've made there. Especially as GW, DDO and Runescape aren't even subsciption based.
Only thing you could say was blaming the title of the artilces as my fault...rofl
Nope, its also complete bull. However its not the topic of this thread, so I'm willing to let it die.
Funny, you get fact slapped across your face, and then have nothing to say and don't want to discuss it any further....ROFL!
What can be said, when something compete bull is posted. What you posted was not fact, its a fabrication. Highlighted against the FACT it named three (out of five) MMOs that are F2P, within its subscrption based section. The title of which you've now edited to remove the subsciption comment and replaced with WoW players. Since when has WoW players playing another game highlight its success level? You don't even know what the % of them are playing other MMOs for starters, even if the list was accurate. How about all the other MMOs players that don't play WoW? Sorry, but as I said its complete bull.
I'll repeat! XI is successful on a woldwide front and within the top played MMOs, but not in the west. Also for the record the west does not simply consist of the US. In fact population wise, the US (in isolation) is in the minority.
Quite an accurate (and factual) list you've made there. Especially as GW, DDO and Runescape aren't even subsciption based.
Only thing you could say was blaming the title of the artilces as my fault...rofl
Nope, its also complete bull. However its not the topic of this thread, so I'm willing to let it die.
Funny, you get fact slapped across your face, and then have nothing to say and don't want to discuss it any further....ROFL!
What can be said, when something compete bull is posted. What you posted was not fact, its was a fabrication. Highlighted against the FACT it named three (out of five) MMOs that are F2P, within its subscrption based section.
As I said XI is successful on a woldwide front and within the top played MMOs, but not in the west. Also for the record the west does not simply consist of the US. In fact population wise, the US (in isolation) is in the minority.
DDO is still a subscription based MMO, so will LOTRO be; when it adds the F2P option. The US gaming market is doing exceptionally well and booming of late, why do ya think so many games are being released here first instead of Japan and other countries. Look it up the gaming market in other contries are doing horribly...especially Japan.
Quite an accurate (and factual) list you've made there. Especially as GW, DDO and Runescape aren't even subsciption based.
Only thing you could say was blaming the title of the artilces as my fault...rofl
Nope, its also complete bull. However its not the topic of this thread, so I'm willing to let it die.
Funny, you get fact slapped across your face, and then have nothing to say and don't want to discuss it any further....ROFL!
What can be said, when something compete bull is posted. What you posted was not fact, its was a fabrication. Highlighted against the FACT it named three (out of five) MMOs that are F2P, within its subscrption based section.
As I said XI is successful on a woldwide front and within the top played MMOs, but not in the west. Also for the record the west does not simply consist of the US. In fact population wise, the US (in isolation) is in the minority.
DDO is still a subscription based MMO, so will LOTRO be; when it adds the F2P option. The US gaming market is doing exceptionally well and booming of late, why do ya think so many games are being released here first instead of Japan and other countries. Look it up the gaming market in other contries are doing horribly...especially Japan.
Most games get released within the same week, within the west. In the US its a Tuesday, as that is when goods are traditionally shipped to stores. In the EU its a Friday, for the same reason. No other reason, at all.
Western developers tend to release in the west first, and likewise other regions in their own first. It is becoming common for worldwide releases, scheduled to typical stock delivery dates.
DDO has been F2P since around Q3 last year.
You really need to check your facts. End of discussion.
It's really quite simple, they are marketing this game for both pc users and console gamers. So, have a control scheme for BOTH pc users and console gamers. Don't force people playing on pc to "just deal" with wonky controls or have to buy a controller to be able to play with ease. Especially since it's releasing on pc first there should be a comfortable mouse/keyboard setup.
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Kinda' like your post. Thanks for the heads up.
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ummm the controlls for this game are already posted on other sites and is available for anyone to look at.... AND they look overly complicated compared to FFXI but not by much.
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Err, they are making a FF game and of course they want to move their existing customer base to XIV, as for a baseline that is all they have. They have however stated from the very start this is surposed to be aimed more at causal players. Claiming they need to make the game more friendly to the masses. That does not excuse poor controls, when all they need to do is add options to keep both camps happy. Try to defend not adding fexlibily is simply ridiculous and just screems fanboi. Giving options leading to an increased playerbase would be an extrememly wise move.
It isn't I or the others that are delued, but those existing FF XI players/fanbois who think they are making this game just for them. What you posted even states they aren't.
Keep on pushing for a poor game, simply because of being a XI fanboi and you may just get one. FF XI bombed on the western front, because of its poor design. Those complaining are simply highlighting they (SE) have not learned, and are pushing for them to listen, as they actually want to play a quality FF MMO. If they don't listen, then it will go the same way as AoC at launch, or even worse.
Right, because FFXI being in the top 5 US MMOs for 8+ years now, yet it somehow bombed. Everything besides <that one game> has done severely poor to the point of merging servers down to 2-4; too tossing the boxes in the clearance bin within a month, even switching to F2P just to stay alive, or shutting down entirely.
Whereas FFXI has never had those problems during its entire run thus far, yet it bombed. rofl
Clearly non-FF-fans just don't want to accept that another MMO with a differnt playstyle can be successful, and you all keep tossing around this industry standard BS of WASD+Mouse...which less than a dozen MMO I can think of have done ok with, the rest have mediocre controls or are still point and click, and KB supported.
Even most the major US gaming sites won't even acknowledge FFXIV existence, like G4 and their MMO Report covering E3, a 40min edition and not a single mention of XIV at E3, yet they still covered Guild Wars 2 that wasn't even there. Same with TTH, IGN, 1UP, Gametrailers and many others...they barely mention FFXIV. Massively however has embraced it and I love their coverage.
Anyway...continue to complain how bad you think FFXIV may turn out, but you are dead wrong...and will be given solid proof of how great it'll be for many in a few short months! -sans the consistent whiners...we all know your stance already so give up already, and go play what you do like.
LOL, its not been in the top 5. It died a death, when most of its players moved to WoW after complaining about the poor content and controls. For the record, I'm not a fan of WoW either. XI has however been within the top MMOs worldwide, but simply because of the Asian audience.
XIV generally bombed at E3. Which is most likely why there's been little coverage. Again, due to its poor controls and unclarity within play. Have you not seen the lengthy promo they (SE) put out, where the poor guy can't control it?
I'm actually in the beta, and want it to succeed. Unlike some that are happy for it to bomb, simply because they want it to be (near) identical to their existing game just with updated graphics. For it to succeed it needs to change from what people saw at E3. Will it? I simply don't know, but am hoping. Will I tell anyone if it has? No, but only because of the NDA.
From your very post "Also, we want Final Fantasy players to enjoy the game who haven't played MMOs before, and we also want MMO players who haven't played the Final Fantasy series. We are trying to reach several different targets". Now please quit with the "they are making the game for us XI players" attitude, as they aren't. Such players are amongst the target audiance and a priority concern, that is all. SE's goal, as it clearly states is to widen that audience.
Also if you can't think of many MMOs that use the industry standard controls, then you've clearly not played many. Otherwise, have been simply focusing on XI and cheap F2P hack jobs.
You were saying, I'm just gonna keep backing up what I say with fact, and proving you wrong. For FFXI being in the top 5 for its sixth and eight years in these reports, and more than likely in its 7ths as well {that I can't locate for now...} Now tell me again how much FFXI bombed in the US!? This time see if you can back it up with facts....which I know you can't so don't even try.
NPD 2010 ~ Top 5 US MMOs and 4 that former WoW players are playing...
World of Warcraft
Runescape
Dungeons and Dragons Online
Guild Wars
Final Fantasy XI
NPD 2009 ~ Can't find it atm...
NPD 2008 ~ Top 5 Subscription based US MMOs
World of Warcraft
RuneScape
Lord of the Rings Online
Final Fantasy XI
City of Heroes
Quite an accurate (and factual) list you've made there. Especially as GW, DDO and Runescape aren't even subsciption based.
Only thing you could say was blaming the title of the artilces as my fault...rofl
Nope, its also complete bull. You/the report are confusing world wide figures. However its not the topic of this thread, so I'm willing to let it die.
Asian subscriptions sway things a lot, even for WoW. Out of its 11'ish million subs, only about 4.5 million is from the west. XI is successful in Asia, but not in the west.
Funny, you get fact slapped across your face, and then have nothing to say and don't want to discuss it any further....ROFL!
What can be said, when something compete bull is posted. What you posted was not fact, its a fabrication. Highlighted against the FACT it named three (out of five) MMOs that are F2P, within its subscrption based section. The title of which you've now edited to remove the subsciption comment and replaced with WoW players. Since when has WoW players playing another game highlight its success level? You don't even know what the % of them are playing other MMOs for starters, even if the list was accurate. How about all the other MMOs players that don't play WoW? Sorry, but as I said its complete bull.
I'll repeat! XI is successful on a woldwide front and within the top played MMOs, but not in the west. Also for the record the west does not simply consist of the US. In fact population wise, the US (in isolation) is in the minority.
DDO is still a subscription based MMO, so will LOTRO be; when it adds the F2P option. The US gaming market is doing exceptionally well and booming of late, why do ya think so many games are being released here first instead of Japan and other countries. Look it up the gaming market in other contries are doing horribly...especially Japan.
Most games get released within the same week, within the west. In the US its a Tuesday, as that is when goods are traditionally shipped to stores. In the EU its a Friday, for the same reason. No other reason, at all.
Western developers tend to release in the west first, and likewise other regions in their own first. It is becoming common for worldwide releases, scheduled to typical stock delivery dates.
DDO has been F2P since around Q3 last year.
You really need to check your facts. End of discussion.
It's really quite simple, they are marketing this game for both pc users and console gamers. So, have a control scheme for BOTH pc users and console gamers. Don't force people playing on pc to "just deal" with wonky controls or have to buy a controller to be able to play with ease. Especially since it's releasing on pc first there should be a comfortable mouse/keyboard setup.