I dont know what exactly is under NDA outside of content, mechanics.
But judging by the beta? Not good. Hell I would go as far as saying a possible delay.
^ this.. I'm having second thoughts about getting the CE, and just knowing the Pc keyboard + mouse is on the bottom of theire totem list is making me even more doubtfull about getting this game.
call me crazy but.. unless I'm playing a console, I would never bother with a game pad at all.
It isnt the controls on what im refering to with the delay as such.
The fact that they cant even get the beta to work at the moment just shows how rushed everything is... this release date is looking really sketchy.
But more so than that, the horrible performance on most machines, I should be maxing this game completely, and yet its unplayable, and during this week of no beta there hasnt been any new drivers or version updates that will suggest any different, so even if it is up I cant test anything.
People can defend gamepad usage all they want, but we know the reality, Sqaure doesnt know the PC audiance and using PC Gamers as beta testers for a more fleshed PS3 release aimed at Japan.
Controls are horrible, good job to the 1% of you that are PC Gamers that prefer controllers, meanwhile the rest of the community will laugh and go elsewhere. Im not that bothered, I played FF11 for 2 years, I put up with the controls I will do it again, but its so pathetic that they cant even appeal to people on such a basic level as controls.
yoru not suppsoe to be maxing this game yet maybe a a super computer can. ff xiv is suppose to look good for the years to come. ff xiv will have a decent gfx scale
I own all FF games and they play better on consoles. In japan the console market is much bigger then PC so its no wonder they make FFXIV mainly for console.
Despite that, XIV is a MMO, its not the same as their other games. While i rather play their other games with gamepad, i much rather play an MMO with keyboard and mouselook, its so much faster and smoother.
Playing with a gamepad is so much "clunky" and much slower, imagine playing Aion on gamepad
Unfortunally SE nowadays are mostly about graphics (which they are awesome at) but they kinda forget the gameplay.
I dont really think most FF fans want to play FFXIV with gamepad, its just that they were forced to in XI.
Still it doesnt matter much what we say, unless the Japanese players want it, nothing will happen.
If i were you, i would wait an see what other players say about the controls before i buy it.
Its so sad though, becouse im bored and want a new mmo to play :P atleast until GW2/SWTOR/TERA/Rift/Jumpgate etc
I own all FF games and they play better on consoles. In japan the console market is much bigger then PC so its no wonder they make FFXIV mainly for console.
Despite that, XIV is a MMO, its not the same as their other games. While i rather play their other games with gamepad, i much rather play an MMO with keyboard and mouselook, its so much faster and smoother.
Playing with a gamepad is so much "clunky" and much slower, imagine playing Aion on gamepad
Unfortunally SE nowadays are mostly about graphics (which they are awesome at) but they kinda forget the gameplay.
I dont really think most FF fans want to play FFXIV with gamepad, its just that they were forced to in XI.
Still it doesnt matter much what we say, unless the Japanese players want it, nothing will happen.
If i were you, i would wait an see what other players say about the controls before i buy it.
Its so sad though, becouse im bored and want a new mmo to play :P atleast until GW2/SWTOR/TERA/Rift/Jumpgate etc
so you wont play a mos tlikly awsome mmo jus tbecause you have to use a gamepad or have alil weird keyboard controls that you should be able to map your self. that is a stupid reason not to play an mmo gamepads are easy to use
I played FFXI completely with the keyboard. Never touched the mouse at all, there was no reason to. You could drive your character with the number pad, keeping your thumb on the arrow keys to steer the camera accordingly. All actions were done via hot keys with the other hand. It was a very efficient system and eliminated the need for a mouse all together.
Its not as good as keyboard + mouse Just check Microsofts test of PC vs Console gamers in various multiplayer games. "controller couldn't compete with the accuracy of the mouse and keyboard, console players got destroyed every time".
The playing field was so unfair that "it would be embarrassing to the Xbox team"
gamepad probably workds, but i dont want to play with a gamepad on my PC, when i know i could have played with a much quicker and responsive mouse
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Yes, mouse + keyboard Is better...but this isn't exactly halo we are talking about here. Final Fantasy is not the fastest game on earth.
My experience with the launch of FFXI NA release + all its expantions, is that technically it will be a lot smother then most MMOs. Wont be as many people having massive technical problems or log-in problems.
However there will be a lot exploits (vendors buying stuff for more then they sell it for, mobs that are way too weak for the exp they give and so on) and class balance issues ware some classes/skills are clearly weaker or stronger then the others and may/may not get fixed
Just check Microsofts test of PC vs Console gamers in various multiplayer games.
"controller couldn't compete with the accuracy of the mouse and keyboard, console players got destroyed every time".
The playing field was so unfair that "it would be embarrassing to the Xbox team"
gamepad probably workds, but i dont want to play with a gamepad on my PC, when i know i could have played with a much quicker and responsive mouse
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mouse + keyboard is better for first person shooters no doubt, but we aren't talk an fps. There is nothing you can do better with a mouse and keyboard that someone using a game pad can't do in the FF setting. You aren't pointing a crosshair at someone and relying on reflexes to make your kill. You're relying on a set of macro's or now hotkeys to do your work. The only time you need a mouse is to target things or turn your camera and most players nowadays use tab on a keyboard to target just about anything. And a game pad can turn your camera just as well if not better than a mouse. If we were playing Final Fantasy shooters, your argument might be valid. But we're not.
But i do agree that there should be options. PC players should not be forced to use a game pad for a title that is actually being released on the PC before its being released on the console. The opposite should be occurring, the platform should have been designed for keyboard + mouse first. And during their preparation for the PS3 launch, they should have then defined the controls and allowed a game pad option for PC's.
Its not like i can pick up the PS3 version on Sept. 22nd. So why am i being forced to play the game like im playing it on the PS3?
The game is designed for the console, yet the console version will not release for an estimated six months after the PC release. Use that little tidbit to help draw your conclusions.
The game is designed for the console, yet the console version will not release for an estimated six months after the PC release. Use that little tidbit to help draw your conclusions.
the game is actully deisgned for pc first with the console in mind
the beta crashs every time for the past 3 weeks the put it up i heard so im guessing if they cant run the beta right how they gonna launch it 2 months
crashes are good know cause they are stressing the crap out of the server BEFORe release and not a week before
No they aren't. How can they test the game for launch, when people can't even get on. Stress testing is surposed to take place during open beta, or the latter part fo closed, when they actually have a decent number of testers. Not at the start of closed beta, where they should be focusing on bug fixes and improvements. The fact is they aren't stress testing.
This game is heading to being one of the biggest flops we've seen.
The game is designed for the console, yet the console version will not release for an estimated six months after the PC release. Use that little tidbit to help draw your conclusions.
the game is actully deisgned for pc first with the console in mind
So they say. Doesn't make it so. Maybe if that were the case, the game would play better with keyboard and mouse.
I have seen gameplay of this game... hours of it. If you have an adequate machine and a decent connection, the game will not be a "flop" like some have commented.
All launch days have some problems, but the ones mentioned here aren't such a huge hurdle.
I am wondering about launch TIMES though... this is a worldwide simultaneous launch... so we will have East and West coordinating their times for logging in... with over 100k pre-ordered, we are looking at a strong first day server lag times. Heck, maybe even first week lag time... That would be the first wave... second wave will come when the Regular Edition people come in, and third wave when the PS3 people get in. Those are going to be the "tough" days. but aside from that, everything else should be pretty good and smooth.
I might decide to start the game as a crafter/harvester class, just to avoid the server deaths that will happen due to lag during the first few days, and then change to my adventuring class with the money I made off the harvests or items I made.... Might make the expensive job of being an archer more easy on the wallet ^_^
This game is heading to being one of the biggest flops we've seen.
I'll quote your post in December, to give you a lesson. Prepare.
Thanks, I'm looking forward to you not holding to that.
Seriously. If they are having so many problems and complaints about various things at this late stage, then they need to push the launch date back.
As it stands, its not looking like this will be a smooth launch.
You don't seem to realize what exactly they are doing.
Well, in few months (or even earlier) you will.
Although I agree that the launch may not be smooth, as far as the servers are concerned. Game wise, well, I'll hold onto that surprise.
Yes, I do. I'm in the beta.
We want this to be a good MMO. Want though doesn't make it so. As others have indicated that problems and issues exit, it really does need pushing back.
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yoru not suppsoe to be maxing this game yet maybe a a super computer can. ff xiv is suppose to look good for the years to come. ff xiv will have a decent gfx scale
I own all FF games and they play better on consoles. In japan the console market is much bigger then PC so its no wonder they make FFXIV mainly for console.
Despite that, XIV is a MMO, its not the same as their other games. While i rather play their other games with gamepad, i much rather play an MMO with keyboard and mouselook, its so much faster and smoother.
Playing with a gamepad is so much "clunky" and much slower, imagine playing Aion on gamepad
Unfortunally SE nowadays are mostly about graphics (which they are awesome at) but they kinda forget the gameplay.
I dont really think most FF fans want to play FFXIV with gamepad, its just that they were forced to in XI.
Still it doesnt matter much what we say, unless the Japanese players want it, nothing will happen.
If i were you, i would wait an see what other players say about the controls before i buy it.
Its so sad though, becouse im bored and want a new mmo to play :P atleast until GW2/SWTOR/TERA/Rift/Jumpgate etc
Playing Aion with a gamepad is like playing Starcraft 2 with a gamepad.
While playing XIV with a gamepad is like playing Final Fantasy Tactics with a gamepad.
They're both strategy games, but they work differently.
so you wont play a mos tlikly awsome mmo jus tbecause you have to use a gamepad or have alil weird keyboard controls that you should be able to map your self. that is a stupid reason not to play an mmo gamepads are easy to use
Its not as good as keyboard + mouse
Just check Microsofts test of PC vs Console gamers in various multiplayer games.
"controller couldn't compete with the accuracy of the mouse and keyboard, console players got destroyed every time".
The playing field was so unfair that "it would be embarrassing to the Xbox team"
gamepad probably workds, but i dont want to play with a gamepad on my PC, when i know i could have played with a much quicker and responsive mouse
[Mod Edit]
I played FFXI completely with the keyboard. Never touched the mouse at all, there was no reason to. You could drive your character with the number pad, keeping your thumb on the arrow keys to steer the camera accordingly. All actions were done via hot keys with the other hand. It was a very efficient system and eliminated the need for a mouse all together.
Yes, mouse + keyboard Is better...but this isn't exactly halo we are talking about here. Final Fantasy is not the fastest game on earth.My experience with the launch of FFXI NA release + all its expantions, is that technically it will be a lot smother then most MMOs. Wont be as many people having massive technical problems or log-in problems.
However there will be a lot exploits (vendors buying stuff for more then they sell it for, mobs that are way too weak for the exp they give and so on) and class balance issues ware some classes/skills are clearly weaker or stronger then the others and may/may not get fixed
mouse + keyboard is better for first person shooters no doubt, but we aren't talk an fps. There is nothing you can do better with a mouse and keyboard that someone using a game pad can't do in the FF setting. You aren't pointing a crosshair at someone and relying on reflexes to make your kill. You're relying on a set of macro's or now hotkeys to do your work. The only time you need a mouse is to target things or turn your camera and most players nowadays use tab on a keyboard to target just about anything. And a game pad can turn your camera just as well if not better than a mouse. If we were playing Final Fantasy shooters, your argument might be valid. But we're not.
But i do agree that there should be options. PC players should not be forced to use a game pad for a title that is actually being released on the PC before its being released on the console. The opposite should be occurring, the platform should have been designed for keyboard + mouse first. And during their preparation for the PS3 launch, they should have then defined the controls and allowed a game pad option for PC's.
Its not like i can pick up the PS3 version on Sept. 22nd. So why am i being forced to play the game like im playing it on the PS3?
Hopefully the last beta test period will not be a continued trend till release.
the beta crashs every time for the past 3 weeks the put it up i heard so im guessing if they cant run the beta right how they gonna launch it 2 months
The game is designed for the console, yet the console version will not release for an estimated six months after the PC release. Use that little tidbit to help draw your conclusions.
crashes are good know cause they are stressing the crap out of the server BEFORe release and not a week before
the game is actully deisgned for pc first with the console in mind
No they aren't. How can they test the game for launch, when people can't even get on. Stress testing is surposed to take place during open beta, or the latter part fo closed, when they actually have a decent number of testers. Not at the start of closed beta, where they should be focusing on bug fixes and improvements. The fact is they aren't stress testing.
This game is heading to being one of the biggest flops we've seen.
So they say. Doesn't make it so. Maybe if that were the case, the game would play better with keyboard and mouse.
I'll quote your post in December, to give you a lesson. Prepare.
Thanks, I'm looking forward to you not holding to that.
Seriously. If they are having so many problems and complaints about various things at this late stage, then they need to push the launch date back.
As it stands, its not looking like this will be a smooth launch.
I have seen gameplay of this game... hours of it. If you have an adequate machine and a decent connection, the game will not be a "flop" like some have commented.
All launch days have some problems, but the ones mentioned here aren't such a huge hurdle.
I am wondering about launch TIMES though... this is a worldwide simultaneous launch... so we will have East and West coordinating their times for logging in... with over 100k pre-ordered, we are looking at a strong first day server lag times. Heck, maybe even first week lag time... That would be the first wave... second wave will come when the Regular Edition people come in, and third wave when the PS3 people get in. Those are going to be the "tough" days. but aside from that, everything else should be pretty good and smooth.
I might decide to start the game as a crafter/harvester class, just to avoid the server deaths that will happen due to lag during the first few days, and then change to my adventuring class with the money I made off the harvests or items I made.... Might make the expensive job of being an archer more easy on the wallet ^_^
You don't seem to realize what exactly they are doing.
Well, in few months (or even earlier) you will.
Although I agree that the launch may not be smooth, as far as the servers are concerned. Game wise, well, I'll hold onto that surprise.
What do fanboys do if their game turns out to be terrible? I've always wondered.
What does grapevine care? The fanboy always has far more to lose.
Yes, I do. I'm in the beta.
We want this to be a good MMO. Want though doesn't make it so. As others have indicated that problems and issues exit, it really does need pushing back.
Eh, so am I. Doesn't change anything.
They make excuses. Usually stating it was designed to be niche, or only for the loyal customers of their previous game.
I do actually care, as want this to succeed. The real question though is will SE actually listen to people. and not just recreate FF XI?
Caring or not has nothing to do with anything.
Understanding what is going on around you is far more important, because it makes you look less dumb when things don't go as you predict.
You will learn a valuable lesson, soon enough.