Understanding what is going on around you is far more important, because it makes you look less dumb when things don't go as you predict.
You will learn a valuable lesson, soon enough.
Look, I know exactly what is going on around me.
I won't learn a lesson, as there's not one to learn. All that may happen is they end up fixing what people have been openly complaining about, and I'll end up being wrong. Big deal, one doesn't have to be right 100% of the time. However, they don't have much time. At least I don't have fanboi blinkers on, and am more concerned about seeing improvements. Instead of just accepting any crap.
Then you maybe should not declare your opinions as facts so soon. They know what they are doing, even though a tester that really doesn't know what is going on may not realize it yet.
You can easily see it in-game even now. Look at the main menu, then the rest of the menu system. The difference is like night and day.
In mere few months, the whole menu system will be updated to a similar level as the main menu is right now.
And similar revamp will happen to most features in the game right now. Everything is being worked on at the same time, when feature #1 is finished, every other feature will be finished too. Not any earlier. No priorities.
Of course you won't believe me, but fortunately that doesn't change a thing.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
the beta crashs every time for the past 3 weeks the put it up i heard so im guessing if they cant run the beta right how they gonna launch it 2 months
crashes are good know cause they are stressing the crap out of the server BEFORe release and not a week before
No they aren't. How can they test the game for launch, when people can't even get on. Stress testing is surposed to take place during open beta, or the latter part fo closed, when they actually have a decent number of testers. Not at the start of closed beta, where they should be focusing on bug fixes and improvements. The fact is they aren't stress testing.
This game is heading to being one of the biggest flops we've seen.
Unlike other developers SE are not relying almost entirely on their alpha/beta testers. They actually have a huge in-house testing team that are dealing with finding bugs and things. All the beta testers are really there for is to give feedback on mechanics and game systems, along with stress testing.
To be honest SE have used an outdated naming system for the alpha/beta phases. What they called alpha was probably closer to what recent MMOs have been calling beta. The current beta, ignoring the controls and server issues, appears to be in the state most MMOs have released in over the past few years. Hell the server issues the beta is experiencing seem close to what many MMOs have had at launch. They have exactly two months to sort the server problems now, I doubt they won't get it fixed in that time, especially since they seem to have already found the problem.
SE are not like other developers at all, they do things their own way, so try not to judge them based on your experiences with other developers.
Then you maybe should not declare your opinions as facts so soon. They know what they are doing, even though a tester that really doesn't know what is going on may not realize it yet.
You can easily see it in-game even now. Look at the main menu, then the rest of the menu system. The difference is like night and day.
In mere few months, the whole menu system will be updated to a similar level as the main menu is right now.
And similar revamp will happen to most features in the game right now. Everything is being worked on at the same time, when feature #1 is finished, every other feature will be finished too. Not any earlier. No priorities.
Of course you won't believe me, but fortunately that doesn't change a thing.
LOL, I've not stated any facts about the game as its under NDA. All I've done is comment upon other peoples complaints, that have been openly made.
You do realise fixing things post launch is to late? As soon as reviews come out and people have played the first month, the impression has been made. Its very hard changing that, once its made.
Even if they do manage so many revamps in the next 1.5 months. Do you really think such radical overhauls are going to be tested enough? Given the short beta period, it is simply to late in the day. If they are relying on heavy internal testing, then what's the point of beta? Part of which is surposed to be feedback. So bascially beta would be a completly pointless and they developed a game for themselves.
As I said, they really do need to push the release date back to address people's compaints.
Unlike other developers SE are not relying almost entirely on their alpha/beta testers. They actually have a huge in-house testing team that are dealing with finding bugs and things. All the beta testers are really there for is to give feedback on mechanics and game systems, along with stress testing.
To be honest SE have used an outdated naming system for the alpha/beta phases. What they called alpha was probably closer to what recent MMOs have been calling beta. The current beta, ignoring the server issues, appears to be in the state most MMOs have released in over the past few years. Hell the server issues the beta is experiencing seem close to what many MMOs have had at launch. They have exactly two months to sort the server problems now, I doubt they won't get it fixed in that time, especially since they seem to have already found the problem.
SE are not like other developers at all, they do things their own way, so try not to judge them based on your experiences with other developers.
No, that is not correct. The Alpha was like a normal Alpha, although with clearly less bugs than you would expect.
The Beta is like one would expect, yet again with less bugs however (that are not related to hardware).
However what people are skeptical about is the seemingly low phase between Beta and release. The Beta as of right now is nowhere near the state of a 'finished' game (in MMO terms).
But that's where they just have to wait and realize what exactly will happen. SE has done the testing their own way from the start, and this is the final, yet most crucial phase where lot of things change and fast, because a massive team of developers is working on EVERYTHING at once. When update happens, everything gets a face lift.
On top of that, the version the developers are working on is always further in the development than what the testers are playing. That's the way it has been since the Alpha and it will continue being that way until release and beyond.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
I take it you've never beta tested before. You are completely missing the point of what they are for. Its a cycle. You don't simply place code up, take feedback then work on it in isolation then release the product. All you are doing is taking things on blind faith and are discribing nothing more that what's labeled a miracle patch, which seldom actually happen.
You really need to sort your attitude out. I've seen no stupid comments, just people making valid observations.
For those of you who enjoy the mouse & keyboard setup, I am confident you will have little problem adjusting to playing with keyboard only. You dont need a controller nor do you have to play with the clunky mouse. It really is quite comfortable playing with the keyboard in your lap!
I enjoy the mouse and keyboard myself, but in FFXI (and iv), the combat is slow enough to where the keyboard will feel right.
Unlike other developers SE are not relying almost entirely on their alpha/beta testers. They actually have a huge in-house testing team that are dealing with finding bugs and things. All the beta testers are really there for is to give feedback on mechanics and game systems, along with stress testing.
To be honest SE have used an outdated naming system for the alpha/beta phases. What they called alpha was probably closer to what recent MMOs have been calling beta. The current beta, ignoring the server issues, appears to be in the state most MMOs have released in over the past few years. Hell the server issues the beta is experiencing seem close to what many MMOs have had at launch. They have exactly two months to sort the server problems now, I doubt they won't get it fixed in that time, especially since they seem to have already found the problem.
SE are not like other developers at all, they do things their own way, so try not to judge them based on your experiences with other developers.
No, that is not correct. The Alpha was like a normal Alpha, although with clearly less bugs than you would expect.
The Beta is like one would expect, yet again with less bugs however (that are not related to hardware).
However what people are skeptical about is the seemingly low phase between Beta and release. The Beta as of right now is nowhere near the state of a 'finished' game (in MMO terms).
But that's where they just have to wait and realize what exactly will happen. SE has done the testing their own way from the start, and this is the final, yet most crucial phase where lot of things change and fast, because a massive team of developers is working on EVERYTHING at once. When update happens, everything gets a face lift.
On top of that, the version the developers are working on is always further in the development than what the testers are playing. That's the way it has been since the Alpha and it will continue being that way until release and beyond.
I'm aware of the development that is going on behind the scenes, but then most developers do that and many inadvertently ruin the game when they release said patches the day before launch... that's the one thing I'm concerned about with XIV atm as I've seen it happen so many times. I hope they don't make any drastic gameplay changes in the next couple of months.
I stand by my comment about the beta though, I've played a number of MMOs that have launched in a worse state, even if XIV is still far from finished.
I actually have beta tested a few MMO's in the past, which is not much, but enough to clearly see that how SE is doing things is not the way everyone else is going at it.
That is exactly what they have been doing, and will continue to do. And as far as you're concerned, I wouldn't say "It's stupid! It can't work!" when YOU have not seemingly never experienced beta testing done like this.
My attitude is only like this because you are not being subjective about it. Had you engaged the topic in a proper way, such as "as it seems the game is not really ready for launch in September, hopefully they get things sorted out" instead of "this game is going to be the biggest flop in the industry lately" then I will sort out my attitude as well. Pot, kettle, and so on.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
I'm aware of the development that is going on behind the scenes, but then most developers do that and many inadvertently ruin the game when they release said patches the day before launch... that's the one thing I'm concerned about with XIV atm as I've seen it happen so many times. I hope they don't make any drastic gameplay changes in the next couple of months.
I stand by my comment about the beta though, I've played a number of MMOs that have launched in a worse state, even if XIV is still far from finished.
Depends on the devs. If they're good, it doesn't matter when they release the patch notes. If they're bad, well, the game would have been a failure from the start anyway.
Right now they are taking feedback though, to minimize chances of something like that happening. That's one of the major points of having the beta as far as I'm aware. I don't really see them doing this for some marketing purpose, but neither do I think it's just some massive stresstest either.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
I think your blinkers only let you see a section of what I said.
I did not say it was going to be a flop, but instead supported what other have said. In that its heading that way, as it stands. If they haven't truely listend, and don't give beta testers enough time to provide further feedback on any changes they make then it will do.
I'm sorry, but when I read your statement "This game is heading to being one of the biggest flops we've seen." I immediately associate you with saying the game is going to be a flop.
I have to agree with Hyanmen on this issue. Based on FFXI's development cycle with SE pre and post launch, they don't do things the same as ANY company out there. They are definitely unique in that respect.
Based on all the videos I have seen and read about the Beta, you really are only getting a small snapshot of the full game and they have even stated the full brunt of the game is still behind closed doors. I haven't been let down at all by the vids or details released so far and sure, I want a keyboard/mouse combo feel as good as WoW to play FFXIV with , but it won't be a gamebreaker for me. Boring gameplay with pretty graphics would be a gamebreaker i.e. Aion. Good thing I have played tons of SE games and love their focus on quality.
I think your blinkers only let you see a section of what I said.
"No they aren't. How can they test the game for launch, when people can't even get on. Stress testing is surposed to take place during open beta, or the latter part fo closed, when they actually have a decent number of testers. Not at the start of closed beta, where they should be focusing on bug fixes and improvements. The fact is they aren't stress testing.
This game is heading to being one of the biggest flops we've seen."
I did not say it was going to be a flop, just supporting what other have said in that it it heading that way as it stands.
No, I did see all of it. In fact I was going to comment on it first but was too lazy to do so.
They are currently not planning to have an open beta phase. Thus, internal stress testing is conducted in the closed beta, as in, right now.
Alright, let's keep it that way as far as the last comment is concerned. However, the comment is still faulty because the game is not headed that way because of the way SE does things. You don't have to believe me before you see it, that's understandable. Yet it would be nice to not throw around ignorant comments like that either.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
You are still taking things under blind faith. They are also not stress testing. The number of people are causing stress on the servers. That isn't the same thing. This is not a planned stress test.
I'm sorry, but when I read your statement "This game is heading to being one of the biggest flops we've seen." I immediately associate you with saying the game is going to be a flop.
I have to agree with Hyanmen on this issue. Based on FFXI's development cycle with SE pre and post launch, they don't do things the same as ANY company out there. They are definitely unique in that respect.
Based on all the videos I have seen and read about the Beta, you really are only getting a small snapshot of the full game and they have even stated the full brunt of the game is still behind closed doors. I haven't been let down at all by the vids or details released so far and sure, I want a keyboard/mouse combo feel as good as WoW to play FFXIV with , but it won't be a gamebreaker for me. Boring gameplay with pretty graphics would be a gamebreaker i.e. Aion. Good thing I have played tons of SE games and love their focus on quality.
You likewise are simply looking at one sentance, and niether the entire discussion.
I will also continue to stand by the majory that are currently seeing issues, and will do until we see a turn around. E3 was a very good indication of things aren't right at the moment.
On the topic on the controls, for many it is game breaking. Now they've said it will be changing, but the question is to what? We won't know until we get to see. Leaving it to release could very well be to late.
Every time new testers are invited, there is a stress test associated with it. If things go well, they move on to the next phase. If things don't go well, they fix shit up. It's all important part of the testing, even if things don't always go as planned. And when it comes to Beta, you can't expect that either.
The fact that the current systems will see a revamp is not blind faith; but if I said that it's enough to make the game finished or 'ready' would be. We don't know that. But there is enough evidence to support that they are working on everything at once, they have a huge in-house team to figure out bugs, and that their version of the game is always further in development than the version we get to play.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
For those of you who enjoy the mouse & keyboard setup, I am confident you will have little problem adjusting to playing with keyboard only. You dont need a controller nor do you have to play with the clunky mouse. It really is quite comfortable playing with the keyboard in your lap!
I enjoy the mouse and keyboard myself, but in FFXI (and iv), the combat is slow enough to where the keyboard will feel right.
Give it a shot.
^ this a million times,
Again im surprised why so many people bash a game that havent even been released yet when they bring a lot of good thins that im sure a lot of us been expecting from a mmorpg.I dont blindly say SE is god and will make a brilliant game out of fanatism, no , i simply played a small proportion of the game and enjoyed every bit of it.It still have flaws and features not everyone is going to like (battle sistem)mainly becouse is new, not becouse is boring like many people have said in here, becouse is not, is diferent to play it than to see it in a video.
If it gets delayed or not , none can tell.If it will have problems at release none can tell eighter , but even if it does, they will be fixed and dealt with acordingly.Of course i would be pissed , like everyone else, But sooner or later the game would be released or fixed if the worst was to come .People have to finally face it , when doing somethin so big as this shit will happend, like what happened last beta with the server overload.And for whoever cant get over it and bash a game becouse its been posponed or had some flaws at release, you can have this-
Originally posted by grapevine Originally posted by elocke I'm sorry, but when I read your statement "This game is heading to being one of the biggest flops we've seen." I immediately associate you with saying the game is going to be a flop. I have to agree with Hyanmen on this issue. Based on FFXI's development cycle with SE pre and post launch, they don't do things the same as ANY company out there. They are definitely unique in that respect. Based on all the videos I have seen and read about the Beta, you really are only getting a small snapshot of the full game and they have even stated the full brunt of the game is still behind closed doors. I haven't been let down at all by the vids or details released so far and sure, I want a keyboard/mouse combo feel as good as WoW to play FFXIV with , but it won't be a gamebreaker for me. Boring gameplay with pretty graphics would be a gamebreaker i.e. Aion. Good thing I have played tons of SE games and love their focus on quality.
You likewise are simply looking at one sentance, and niether the entire discussion.
I will also continue to stand by the majory that are currently seeing issues, and will do until we see a turn around. E3 was a very good indication of things aren't right at the moment.
Every time new testers are invited, there is a stress test associated with it. If things go well, they move on to the next phase. If things don't go well, they fix shit up. It's all important part of the testing, even if things don't always go as planned. And when it comes to Beta, you can't expect that either.
The fact that the current systems will see a revamp is not blind faith; but if I said that it's enough to make the game finished or 'ready' would be. We don't know that. But there is enough evidence to support that they are working on everything at once, they have a huge in-house team to figure out bugs, and that their version of the game is always further in development than the version we get to play.
Yes, there is evidence they are working on things in the background. However, until we see it then we don't know if we'll actually like it. That is fundimently to problem. They are leaving things way to late, and gambling on what they implement will be liked. So you are taking things under blind faith, as you have no idea what they will push until they do.
So far, simply by the complaints covered on this very forum, them predicting and interpreting what people like as core (engine) mechanics isn't exactly great. I've seen next to no complaints about the actual content.
Beta testing is done for a reason. Doing internal testing and pushing things at the last moment, just makes it pointless.
I'm sorry, but when I read your statement "This game is heading to being one of the biggest flops we've seen." I immediately associate you with saying the game is going to be a flop.
I have to agree with Hyanmen on this issue. Based on FFXI's development cycle with SE pre and post launch, they don't do things the same as ANY company out there. They are definitely unique in that respect.
Based on all the videos I have seen and read about the Beta, you really are only getting a small snapshot of the full game and they have even stated the full brunt of the game is still behind closed doors. I haven't been let down at all by the vids or details released so far and sure, I want a keyboard/mouse combo feel as good as WoW to play FFXIV with , but it won't be a gamebreaker for me. Boring gameplay with pretty graphics would be a gamebreaker i.e. Aion. Good thing I have played tons of SE games and love their focus on quality.
You likewise are simply looking at one sentance, and niether the entire discussion.
I will also continue to stand by the majory that are currently seeing issues, and will do until we see a turn around. E3 was a very good indication of things aren't right at the moment.
I'm aware of the development that is going on behind the scenes, but then most developers do that and many inadvertently ruin the game when they release said patches the day before launch... that's the one thing I'm concerned about with XIV atm as I've seen it happen so many times. I hope they don't make any drastic gameplay changes in the next couple of months.
I stand by my comment about the beta though, I've played a number of MMOs that have launched in a worse state, even if XIV is still far from finished.
Depends on the devs. If they're good, it doesn't matter when they release the patch notes. If they're bad, well, the game would have been a failure from the start anyway.
Right now they are taking feedback though, to minimize chances of something like that happening. That's one of the major points of having the beta as far as I'm aware. I don't really see them doing this for some marketing purpose, but neither do I think it's just some massive stresstest either.
True, and compared to most dev teams I trust SE to do a good job, they have their flaws but releasing content of poor quality isn't one of them. I still can't help but be a little nervous as the game approaches launch though, hehe.
I'm willing to bet everyone screaming "flop" has beta tested fewer than 3 games. Get a real good beta resume going and you'll realize that none of the development process, beta cycles, or instability is unique to FF14. This is the 7th Closed Beta I've played and I can assure you the only game I beta'd that was launch-worthy stable (or EVEN close to it) within 1.5 months of launch was Auto Assault. And guess what? Huge flop. WAR was bugging and crashing with servers that couldn't handle starting zones when launch was a week away, their launch turned out fine. WoW seemed okay in CB and their launch was really stressful, they were not prepared for the traffic. SWG seemed bad in beta, had a god awful launch, and is still subbing.
Beta == Launch. That's my main point. I've seen smooth games go bad, bad games go smooth, and sometimes it stays the same. When will people realize that you can't judge a game by it's beta.
FF14 is still under NDA, that means they aren't ready for people to know how their games looks, feels, or plays yet. When NDA is lifted, if the game still appears shaky, then there's reason for concern. I personally won't be worried, but you can at least justify your concerns at that point. Right now it is too early: plain and simple.
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Someday we'll all look back on the age of computers - and lol.
Yes, there is evidence they are working on things in the background. However, until we see it then we don't know if we'll actually like it. That is fundimently to problem. They are leaving things way to late, and gambling on what they implement will be liked. So you are taking things under blind faith, as you have no idea what they will push until they do.
So far, simply by the compaints, them predicting and interpreting what people like as core (engine) mechanics isn't exactly great. I've seen next to no complaints about the actual content.
So knowing this, can you actually say with a straight face "the game is heading towards being a flop"? As you said, you have no idea what it's going to be like.
But unfortunately this industry is in the end a big gamble. You must, as a developer, have some confidence that the product you are making will be well received or you will not succeed. In the worst case you just take everything tested to be good by other games and have no ideas of your own, because you're not confident enough that said ideas are going to be well received. The end result is a plain and boring MMORPG we have already seen.
But simply because they have confidence to make things work does not mean they are incompetent. You can't know this before said changes go live. It will either work out, or it won't, depending on how good the developers are. Either way, it will be exciting times once they sort out the server issues once and for all.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
Yes I can. There's no evidence they are fxing what people have disclosed, to something they will actually like. Simply they are going to refine it. To what we don't know.
Until we see something positve, as it stands now its heading for a flop. That can change, but they have a very short period to do so.
FF XIV bombed at E3, for the same reasons people have been highlighting.
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Look, I know exactly what is going on around me.
I won't learn a lesson, as there's not one to learn. All that may happen is they end up fixing what people have been openly complaining about, and I'll end up being wrong. Big deal, one doesn't have to be right 100% of the time. However, they don't have much time. At least I don't have fanboi blinkers on, and am more concerned about seeing improvements. Instead of just accepting any crap.
Then you maybe should not declare your opinions as facts so soon. They know what they are doing, even though a tester that really doesn't know what is going on may not realize it yet.
You can easily see it in-game even now. Look at the main menu, then the rest of the menu system. The difference is like night and day.
In mere few months, the whole menu system will be updated to a similar level as the main menu is right now.
And similar revamp will happen to most features in the game right now. Everything is being worked on at the same time, when feature #1 is finished, every other feature will be finished too. Not any earlier. No priorities.
Of course you won't believe me, but fortunately that doesn't change a thing.
Unlike other developers SE are not relying almost entirely on their alpha/beta testers. They actually have a huge in-house testing team that are dealing with finding bugs and things. All the beta testers are really there for is to give feedback on mechanics and game systems, along with stress testing.
To be honest SE have used an outdated naming system for the alpha/beta phases. What they called alpha was probably closer to what recent MMOs have been calling beta. The current beta, ignoring the controls and server issues, appears to be in the state most MMOs have released in over the past few years. Hell the server issues the beta is experiencing seem close to what many MMOs have had at launch. They have exactly two months to sort the server problems now, I doubt they won't get it fixed in that time, especially since they seem to have already found the problem.
SE are not like other developers at all, they do things their own way, so try not to judge them based on your experiences with other developers.
LOL, I've not stated any facts about the game as its under NDA. All I've done is comment upon other peoples complaints, that have been openly made.
You do realise fixing things post launch is to late? As soon as reviews come out and people have played the first month, the impression has been made. Its very hard changing that, once its made.
Even if they do manage so many revamps in the next 1.5 months. Do you really think such radical overhauls are going to be tested enough? Given the short beta period, it is simply to late in the day. If they are relying on heavy internal testing, then what's the point of beta? Part of which is surposed to be feedback. So bascially beta would be a completly pointless and they developed a game for themselves.
As I said, they really do need to push the release date back to address people's compaints.
No, that is not correct. The Alpha was like a normal Alpha, although with clearly less bugs than you would expect.
The Beta is like one would expect, yet again with less bugs however (that are not related to hardware).
However what people are skeptical about is the seemingly low phase between Beta and release. The Beta as of right now is nowhere near the state of a 'finished' game (in MMO terms).
But that's where they just have to wait and realize what exactly will happen. SE has done the testing their own way from the start, and this is the final, yet most crucial phase where lot of things change and fast, because a massive team of developers is working on EVERYTHING at once. When update happens, everything gets a face lift.
On top of that, the version the developers are working on is always further in the development than what the testers are playing. That's the way it has been since the Alpha and it will continue being that way until release and beyond.
I take it you've never beta tested before. You are completely missing the point of what they are for. Its a cycle. You don't simply place code up, take feedback then work on it in isolation then release the product. All you are doing is taking things on blind faith and are discribing nothing more that what's labeled a miracle patch, which seldom actually happen.
You really need to sort your attitude out. I've seen no stupid comments, just people making valid observations.
For those of you who enjoy the mouse & keyboard setup, I am confident you will have little problem adjusting to playing with keyboard only. You dont need a controller nor do you have to play with the clunky mouse. It really is quite comfortable playing with the keyboard in your lap!
I enjoy the mouse and keyboard myself, but in FFXI (and iv), the combat is slow enough to where the keyboard will feel right.
Give it a shot.
I'm aware of the development that is going on behind the scenes, but then most developers do that and many inadvertently ruin the game when they release said patches the day before launch... that's the one thing I'm concerned about with XIV atm as I've seen it happen so many times. I hope they don't make any drastic gameplay changes in the next couple of months.
I stand by my comment about the beta though, I've played a number of MMOs that have launched in a worse state, even if XIV is still far from finished.
I actually have beta tested a few MMO's in the past, which is not much, but enough to clearly see that how SE is doing things is not the way everyone else is going at it.
That is exactly what they have been doing, and will continue to do. And as far as you're concerned, I wouldn't say "It's stupid! It can't work!" when YOU have not seemingly never experienced beta testing done like this.
My attitude is only like this because you are not being subjective about it. Had you engaged the topic in a proper way, such as "as it seems the game is not really ready for launch in September, hopefully they get things sorted out" instead of "this game is going to be the biggest flop in the industry lately" then I will sort out my attitude as well. Pot, kettle, and so on.
Depends on the devs. If they're good, it doesn't matter when they release the patch notes. If they're bad, well, the game would have been a failure from the start anyway.
Right now they are taking feedback though, to minimize chances of something like that happening. That's one of the major points of having the beta as far as I'm aware. I don't really see them doing this for some marketing purpose, but neither do I think it's just some massive stresstest either.
I think your blinkers only let you see a section of what I said.
I did not say it was going to be a flop, but instead supported what other have said. In that its heading that way, as it stands. If they haven't truely listend, and don't give beta testers enough time to provide further feedback on any changes they make then it will do.
I'm sorry, but when I read your statement "This game is heading to being one of the biggest flops we've seen." I immediately associate you with saying the game is going to be a flop.
I have to agree with Hyanmen on this issue. Based on FFXI's development cycle with SE pre and post launch, they don't do things the same as ANY company out there. They are definitely unique in that respect.
Based on all the videos I have seen and read about the Beta, you really are only getting a small snapshot of the full game and they have even stated the full brunt of the game is still behind closed doors. I haven't been let down at all by the vids or details released so far and sure, I want a keyboard/mouse combo feel as good as WoW to play FFXIV with , but it won't be a gamebreaker for me. Boring gameplay with pretty graphics would be a gamebreaker i.e. Aion. Good thing I have played tons of SE games and love their focus on quality.
No, I did see all of it. In fact I was going to comment on it first but was too lazy to do so.
They are currently not planning to have an open beta phase. Thus, internal stress testing is conducted in the closed beta, as in, right now.
Alright, let's keep it that way as far as the last comment is concerned. However, the comment is still faulty because the game is not headed that way because of the way SE does things. You don't have to believe me before you see it, that's understandable. Yet it would be nice to not throw around ignorant comments like that either.
You are still taking things under blind faith. They are also not stress testing. The number of people are causing stress on the servers. That isn't the same thing. This is not a planned stress test.
You likewise are simply looking at one sentance, and niether the entire discussion.
I will also continue to stand by the majory that are currently seeing issues, and will do until we see a turn around. E3 was a very good indication of things aren't right at the moment.
On the topic on the controls, for many it is game breaking. Now they've said it will be changing, but the question is to what? We won't know until we get to see. Leaving it to release could very well be to late.
Every time new testers are invited, there is a stress test associated with it. If things go well, they move on to the next phase. If things don't go well, they fix shit up. It's all important part of the testing, even if things don't always go as planned. And when it comes to Beta, you can't expect that either.
The fact that the current systems will see a revamp is not blind faith; but if I said that it's enough to make the game finished or 'ready' would be. We don't know that. But there is enough evidence to support that they are working on everything at once, they have a huge in-house team to figure out bugs, and that their version of the game is always further in development than the version we get to play.
^ this a million times,
Again im surprised why so many people bash a game that havent even been released yet when they bring a lot of good thins that im sure a lot of us been expecting from a mmorpg.I dont blindly say SE is god and will make a brilliant game out of fanatism, no , i simply played a small proportion of the game and enjoyed every bit of it.It still have flaws and features not everyone is going to like (battle sistem)mainly becouse is new, not becouse is boring like many people have said in here, becouse is not, is diferent to play it than to see it in a video.
If it gets delayed or not , none can tell.If it will have problems at release none can tell eighter , but even if it does, they will be fixed and dealt with acordingly.Of course i would be pissed , like everyone else, But sooner or later the game would be released or fixed if the worst was to come .People have to finally face it , when doing somethin so big as this shit will happend, like what happened last beta with the server overload.And for whoever cant get over it and bash a game becouse its been posponed or had some flaws at release, you can have this-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGIiVixM1iQ&feature=fvst
You likewise are simply looking at one sentance, and niether the entire discussion.
I will also continue to stand by the majory that are currently seeing issues, and will do until we see a turn around. E3 was a very good indication of things aren't right at the moment.
That one sentence speaks volumes.
Yes, there is evidence they are working on things in the background. However, until we see it then we don't know if we'll actually like it. That is fundimently to problem. They are leaving things way to late, and gambling on what they implement will be liked. So you are taking things under blind faith, as you have no idea what they will push until they do.
So far, simply by the complaints covered on this very forum, them predicting and interpreting what people like as core (engine) mechanics isn't exactly great. I've seen next to no complaints about the actual content.
Beta testing is done for a reason. Doing internal testing and pushing things at the last moment, just makes it pointless.
Not out of context it doesn't.
All it highlights is some are on the defensive.
True, and compared to most dev teams I trust SE to do a good job, they have their flaws but releasing content of poor quality isn't one of them. I still can't help but be a little nervous as the game approaches launch though, hehe.
Beta == Launch. That's my main point. I've seen smooth games go bad, bad games go smooth, and sometimes it stays the same. When will people realize that you can't judge a game by it's beta.
FF14 is still under NDA, that means they aren't ready for people to know how their games looks, feels, or plays yet. When NDA is lifted, if the game still appears shaky, then there's reason for concern. I personally won't be worried, but you can at least justify your concerns at that point. Right now it is too early: plain and simple.
Edit: typo
Someday we'll all look back on the age of computers - and lol.
So knowing this, can you actually say with a straight face "the game is heading towards being a flop"? As you said, you have no idea what it's going to be like.
But unfortunately this industry is in the end a big gamble. You must, as a developer, have some confidence that the product you are making will be well received or you will not succeed. In the worst case you just take everything tested to be good by other games and have no ideas of your own, because you're not confident enough that said ideas are going to be well received. The end result is a plain and boring MMORPG we have already seen.
But simply because they have confidence to make things work does not mean they are incompetent. You can't know this before said changes go live. It will either work out, or it won't, depending on how good the developers are. Either way, it will be exciting times once they sort out the server issues once and for all.
Yes I can. There's no evidence they are fxing what people have disclosed, to something they will actually like. Simply they are going to refine it. To what we don't know.
Until we see something positve, as it stands now its heading for a flop. That can change, but they have a very short period to do so.
FF XIV bombed at E3, for the same reasons people have been highlighting.
So basically every game is heading for a flop until an update is released that changes things.
You should have said every game since the beginning of the MMO era was heading towards being a flop according to you.. We would have saved some time.
I didn't know the servers crashed at E3.. dang, must have been a horrible presentation.