The point is not that gay people are getting offended because they are being called gay. They're offended because they can't use the word that describes their main belief and community. It's like a Christian person being annoyed because they can't discuss Jesus in a video game. Get it?....
People could simply say "I like guys / girls".
To me it seems that there is a tendency in parts of the gay community to play the role of a victim. To feel offended rather than to be genuinely offended. Most people accept gays as normal human beings, but once you start to act like you are different and stress the point that you are gay, you are setting yourself up to become a target for discrimination. That's not the fault of the game, that's the fault of your own faulty logic.
So if they form a gay guild and it's on a pvp game and everyone ganks and kills them on sight is the considered gay bashing or a hate crime in the game since they wanna bring real world problems into game?
Your question is the answer. If you run into a bunch of openly gay people in a clan, and you kill them in the game, chances are you will send some PM's about how you killed a bunch of homos. And there you have the problem escalating. It only causes more trouble. BAN IT !
People act a lot tougher sitting behind their cpu than they do in real life so if you don't want this problem in a game ...DON"T BRING IT INTO THE GAME lol. Get on your lil gay forums that you go to and recruit there if you want to enjoy and all gay guild. Once you bring ity out in a game where people only have to worry about a warning from some one they will say anything and what ever to offend you. When I sit and play a game I don't stop every so often and go..that guy that just ran by me. I wonder if he is gay or black or whatever. People only care and complain when they are forced to have to see it or listen to it.
How many delicate flowers have you met in Counterstrike?
I got a case of beer and a chainsaw waiting for me at home after work.
Geez, everything is used to whine about. So you can't use the word gay... start using the word homosexual then. Personally I rather have em ban people then filter out words, but does that mean you have to get that hung up about it when it's easily avoided?
If the word 'gay' was filtered, then I'm expecting words like sex, fuck, shit, cunt, nigger, redneck, dick and ass to be filtered too, else it's very strange.
I don't see the point if the word 'gay' is filtered among the other filtered words, there's enough other words to circumvent the filter (the words fruit, homo, fag and merry come to mind).
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
It should be banned. MMORPGs are about a virtual world and virtual gear to collect, not about virual sexuality or virtual sex, aka cybersex. Kids play these games, you have to protect them from Homos.
im terrified at the prospect that no company has yet tot about protecting kids from human wastes like you...
Kids shouldn't even know what the word means. They shouldn't even hear it. Sexual discussions of any kind are inappropriate for children of a young age. They are not equipped to understand the concepts.
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Of course kids should be able to talk about sex, they do anyway so to try and stop them is anal (no pun intended).
To stop kids talking about homosexuality is wrong. End of.
Obviously it was a long long time ago you were a kid ....
So you're cool with your hypothetical seven year old child discussing the ins and outs of sex. Even though they're not even remotely ready for it. Children as old as fifteen have no concept of the responsibilties involved in having sex are. It's not something you can teach to an unformed mind. You're correct I'm old enough to know better and I've seen the damage done.
Could you please tell me where I can find your scientific papers on that, mr. psychologist?
You know, my GF had sex for the first time when she was 13. She did it with her 14 year old boyfriend and they used condoms. You know why? Because we learn about sex in elementary school in germany. That is when we are 9 or 10...
Discussing sex in american forums is so queer (hahaha, pun intended )
Gothix, a Dragon's Call(http://dc.gamedp.com) player, was absolutely pissed off by [GH] Haze, a player volunteer, due to the action of muting him in game. Furthermore, Gothix thinks Haze has a strong discrimination for the whole gay community. Gothix is very sensitive about this kind of problem in game. He decided to give the whole GH(Game Helper, player volunteers) team and Dragon's Call an official warning after he found out that he could not even type the word "Gay" in the world chat (The word "Gay" is in the in-game filter). He stated that even Blizzard had received a Gay Rights Warning in order to tell Dragon's Call official this was a serious problem. Also he reminded everyone that the Gay Pride Week 2010 was coming soon.
Necessary or unnecessary?
WOW some seriously old fashioned views going around here. Any company that bans discussions about homosexuality in the year 2010 is very fucked up. Any homosexual person taking offence to being called Gay is seriously fucked up. Would a straight guy be offended if he was called straight? No. So why would a gay guy take offence to being called gay?
If someone who was gay took offence to being called gay then they are the one with the problem as they obviously see being gay as a negative thing. Otherwise they would just say "thanks yes I am gay, your point is what exactly?"
If a games company is anti gay then people that are gay can just boycot it after throwing small thermo nuclear devices through the windows of the companies HQ.
Anyway this whole thread is retarded. I have never even heard of any MMO being anti gay. I think the OP is hyping something up. Making a mountain out of a mole hill.
This is a typical view of the ignorance around why the word "gay " is considered derogatory and insulting ...you really need to enlighten yourself a little
Some people use the word "gay "not to describe someone but as an insult or because its "cool " and "funny"
If you want to understand why this word is insulting I encourage you to read this article and the responses to it....read what gay people think about this topic and how it effects them
If you cannot do that - because you feel that a company should let you squick whomever you want whenever you want, however you want - then quit playing their game(s).
A game is a game. Leave your bigotry, and rage over being banned from not being able to dump your squick on others out of the game.
Not every company will let you spread your hate in their game(s).
If a player wants to be a bigot in their offline life, so be it.
Here we go again.
Old enough to know better - young enough to do it anyway.
Kids shouldn't even know what the word means. They shouldn't even hear it. Sexual discussions of any kind are inappropriate for children of a young age. They are not equipped to understand the concepts.
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Of course kids should be able to talk about sex, they do anyway so to try and stop them is anal (no pun intended).
To stop kids talking about homosexuality is wrong. End of.
Obviously it was a long long time ago you were a kid ....
So you're cool with your hypothetical seven year old child discussing the ins and outs of sex. Even though they're not even remotely ready for it. Children as old as fifteen have no concept of the responsibilties involved in having sex are. It's not something you can teach to an unformed mind. You're correct I'm old enough to know better and I've seen the damage done.
most kids this days are sexually active by the age of 13-14, I guess they should be able to handle a conversation about the issue a year or two in advance.
Im afraid that the uninformed mind in this case is yours.
the worst of this all, is that the daugthers that get pregnant by the age of 14-15 arent usually those whose parents where mature and open about the ins and outs of the sex, are those whore parents were dictaroring , extremely narrow minded regarding "morality", and lived in denial about their kids being sexually active...
talking to your kids about sex doesnt imply telling them thet have to fornicate 24/7...teach them that they are"possibly not prepared yet but this is how you prepare for it", because closing your eyes and handling them the barbies and hemans usually backlashes much worse...
It should be banned. MMORPGs are about a virtual world and virtual gear to collect, not about virual sexuality or virtual sex, aka cybersex. Kids play these games, you have to protect them from Homos.
im terrified at the prospect that no company has yet tot about protecting kids from human wastes like you...
Same remark goes for you, knowing you are against...
SEX and HOMOSEXUAL SEX has no place in a VIDEOgame. Go be openly gay on dating sites.
Really f'ing awesome guys. Let's make developers and companies spend more time compromising so you can toss the rainbow colored pickle around in your game. Are you ******** serious? You can't say something in game, so what? Why don't you concentrate on the actual game and how it plays instead of being nancies.... oh wait... nevermind.
Get over yourselves. Ever think about the people that are offended by you and your lifestyle? Maybe they don't want to see homosexual characters running around in the game that their children might be playing. Maybe they don't want some overweight slob that likes little boys telling them about the gay way of the birds and bees. I don't blame them one bit. You want to talk about something that has nothing to do with the game (being gay) then do it over another medium. I don't think any of these companies should have to bend to your needs.... cause that's what it's all about right?? Your gay needs are not being recognized by everyone around you and that just won't do... unless everyone knows and accepts it, you're not happy... right? Such is life a*****e.
It should be banned. MMORPGs are about a virtual world and virtual gear to collect, not about virual sexuality or virtual sex, aka cybersex. Kids play these games, you have to protect them from Homos.
im terrified at the prospect that no company has yet tot about protecting kids from human wastes like you...
Same remark goes for you, knowing you are against...
SEX and HOMOSEXUAL SEX has no place in a VIDEOgame. Go be openly gay on dating sites.
what definetly has no place in this forum are fascist remarks. I doubt this is the place where you want to post, go to aryan-nation or some site like that where your kid security concerns regarding "homos" will find a more attentive audience
I just find the thread pointless. Seriously. Reveals that most of the people involved need to play a lil bit less and live a lil bit more. Hence they would see the uselesness of this. Let the big corporations solve this out, since its a problem very old that will keep haunting people untill everyone stops confusing sexual lifestyle with personality and personal valor and worth -.-
Kids shouldn't even know what the word means. They shouldn't even hear it. Sexual discussions of any kind are inappropriate for children of a young age. They are not equipped to understand the concepts.
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Of course kids should be able to talk about sex, they do anyway so to try and stop them is anal (no pun intended).
To stop kids talking about homosexuality is wrong. End of.
Obviously it was a long long time ago you were a kid ....
So you're cool with your hypothetical seven year old child discussing the ins and outs of sex. Even though they're not even remotely ready for it. Children as old as fifteen have no concept of the responsibilties involved in having sex are. It's not something you can teach to an unformed mind. You're correct I'm old enough to know better and I've seen the damage done.
Could you please tell me where I can find your scientific papers on that, mr. psychologist?
You know, my GF had sex for the first time when she was 13. She did it with her 14 year old boyfriend and they used condoms. You know why? Because we learn about sex in elementary school in germany. That is when we are 9 or 10...
Discussing sex in american forums is so queer (hahaha, pun intended )
No need for me to be a psychologist or write papers. The literature is out there with plenty of evidence to back it up. Your anecdotal evedence doesn't stand up against the body of scientific research on the subject. What if the condom had failed, they do you know. Ask your girlfriend how she would have felt about being preganant or catching AIDS at thirteen. I bet she didn't even consider it thereby proving my point.
Sure my anecdotal evidance doesnt stand up against the body of scientific research. I just said that she knew it because she was taught about it in school. And due to psychology being a hybrid between natural science and humanities you will probably find scientific studies to prove both our points. The question is if the studies/experiments where done with correct methods or were intended to give a certain result by its design.
And the risk of a condom breaking exist for every age and is extremely unlikely. It has nothing to do with talking to children about sex.
"Ask your girlfriend how she would have felt about being preganant or catching AIDS at thirteen. I bet she didn't even consider it thereby proving my point."
Err, I would have because I was taught that you can get aids/pregnant by sex, that you can prohibit it by using condoms and that these condoms are only like 99,99999995% safe. But according to you, people are ready for it with 15. Is having aids or becoming pregnant with 15 any better than with 13? According to you it is...
(I have problems discussing in a foreign language. I hope you get what I mean.)
"the worst of this all, is that the daugthers that get pregnant by the age of 14-15 arent usually those whose parents where mature and open about the ins and outs of the sex, are those whore parents were dictaroring , extremely narrow minded regarding "morality", and lived in denial about their kids being sexually active..."
All sexual prefs should be banned in game. In fact I think that all characters should be genderless with armor that cover every bit of the avatar. Everyone should be assigned an automatic nickname when joining to prevent anyone taking offense. Like Warrior001 and Mage201 etc. PvP should also be nuked and removed so that no one gets offended.
And if anyone mentions anything sexual or lurid in chat, bam immediate ban! Or if they say anything political or religious in chat bam immediate ban!
Then lets take it one step further, Have Everyone chipped so that way we will be unable to say or do anything offensive in real life. And everyone can walk around like mindless zombies while we go about our daily lives! Diversity pfft who needs that? Mediocrity for the win!
It should be banned. MMORPGs are about a virtual world and virtual gear to collect, not about virual sexuality or virtual sex, aka cybersex. Kids play these games, you have to protect them from Homos.
By far the most ignorant and stupid comment I've ever seen in these forums .
I would say that there is a case for servers for children and servers for adults to protect children from from internet preditors but theres another word used for that evil type of person and its not homosexual .
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People could simply say "I like guys / girls".
To me it seems that there is a tendency in parts of the gay community to play the role of a victim. To feel offended rather than to be genuinely offended. Most people accept gays as normal human beings, but once you start to act like you are different and stress the point that you are gay, you are setting yourself up to become a target for discrimination. That's not the fault of the game, that's the fault of your own faulty logic.
People act a lot tougher sitting behind their cpu than they do in real life so if you don't want this problem in a game ...DON"T BRING IT INTO THE GAME lol. Get on your lil gay forums that you go to and recruit there if you want to enjoy and all gay guild. Once you bring ity out in a game where people only have to worry about a warning from some one they will say anything and what ever to offend you. When I sit and play a game I don't stop every so often and go..that guy that just ran by me. I wonder if he is gay or black or whatever. People only care and complain when they are forced to have to see it or listen to it.
How many delicate flowers have you met in Counterstrike?
I got a case of beer and a chainsaw waiting for me at home after work.
I can't believe this is even a topic. <shakes his head>
King of the world
Don't underestimate our ability to be bored.
Two things.
One, impossible to enforce.
Two, any game developer's legal department would run screaming from the concept. Can you say lawsuit?
And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Don't worry come back in an hour and it will somehow be about males playing female avatars.
Geez, everything is used to whine about. So you can't use the word gay... start using the word homosexual then. Personally I rather have em ban people then filter out words, but does that mean you have to get that hung up about it when it's easily avoided?
If the word 'gay' was filtered, then I'm expecting words like sex, fuck, shit, cunt, nigger, redneck, dick and ass to be filtered too, else it's very strange.
I don't see the point if the word 'gay' is filtered among the other filtered words, there's enough other words to circumvent the filter (the words fruit, homo, fag and merry come to mind).
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
im terrified at the prospect that no company has yet tot about protecting kids from human wastes like you...
Could you please tell me where I can find your scientific papers on that, mr. psychologist?
You know, my GF had sex for the first time when she was 13. She did it with her 14 year old boyfriend and they used condoms. You know why? Because we learn about sex in elementary school in germany. That is when we are 9 or 10...
Discussing sex in american forums is so queer (hahaha, pun intended )
This is a typical view of the ignorance around why the word "gay " is considered derogatory and insulting ...you really need to enlighten yourself a little
Some people use the word "gay "not to describe someone but as an insult or because its "cool " and "funny"
If you want to understand why this word is insulting I encourage you to read this article and the responses to it....read what gay people think about this topic and how it effects them
http://www.zam.com/story.html?story=21625
I hope at the end you will have some empathy towards people who are subjected to this petulant name calling and how they actually view it
"after the time of dice came the day of mice "
Simple as that.
If you cannot do that - because you feel that a company should let you squick whomever you want whenever you want, however you want - then quit playing their game(s).
A game is a game. Leave your bigotry, and rage over being banned from not being able to dump your squick on others out of the game.
Not every company will let you spread your hate in their game(s).
If a player wants to be a bigot in their offline life, so be it.
Here we go again.
Old enough to know better - young enough to do it anyway.
most kids this days are sexually active by the age of 13-14, I guess they should be able to handle a conversation about the issue a year or two in advance.
Im afraid that the uninformed mind in this case is yours.
the worst of this all, is that the daugthers that get pregnant by the age of 14-15 arent usually those whose parents where mature and open about the ins and outs of the sex, are those whore parents were dictaroring , extremely narrow minded regarding "morality", and lived in denial about their kids being sexually active...
talking to your kids about sex doesnt imply telling them thet have to fornicate 24/7...teach them that they are"possibly not prepared yet but this is how you prepare for it", because closing your eyes and handling them the barbies and hemans usually backlashes much worse...
Same remark goes for you, knowing you are against...
SEX and HOMOSEXUAL SEX has no place in a VIDEOgame. Go be openly gay on dating sites.
The internet isn't a place for sensitive people. Can't stand the heat unplug your ethernet
Really f'ing awesome guys. Let's make developers and companies spend more time compromising so you can toss the rainbow colored pickle around in your game. Are you ******** serious? You can't say something in game, so what? Why don't you concentrate on the actual game and how it plays instead of being nancies.... oh wait... nevermind.
Get over yourselves. Ever think about the people that are offended by you and your lifestyle? Maybe they don't want to see homosexual characters running around in the game that their children might be playing. Maybe they don't want some overweight slob that likes little boys telling them about the gay way of the birds and bees. I don't blame them one bit. You want to talk about something that has nothing to do with the game (being gay) then do it over another medium. I don't think any of these companies should have to bend to your needs.... cause that's what it's all about right?? Your gay needs are not being recognized by everyone around you and that just won't do... unless everyone knows and accepts it, you're not happy... right? Such is life a*****e.
This coming from a guy who chose the name "man junk"?
/roll_eyes
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what definetly has no place in this forum are fascist remarks. I doubt this is the place where you want to post, go to aryan-nation or some site like that where your kid security concerns regarding "homos" will find a more attentive audience
I just find the thread pointless. Seriously. Reveals that most of the people involved need to play a lil bit less and live a lil bit more. Hence they would see the uselesness of this. Let the big corporations solve this out, since its a problem very old that will keep haunting people untill everyone stops confusing sexual lifestyle with personality and personal valor and worth -.-
Is that supposed to be witty?
Also, are you saying I'm wrong?
/rolls_eyes straight up GTwander's ***
Sure my anecdotal evidance doesnt stand up against the body of scientific research. I just said that she knew it because she was taught about it in school. And due to psychology being a hybrid between natural science and humanities you will probably find scientific studies to prove both our points. The question is if the studies/experiments where done with correct methods or were intended to give a certain result by its design.
And the risk of a condom breaking exist for every age and is extremely unlikely. It has nothing to do with talking to children about sex.
"Ask your girlfriend how she would have felt about being preganant or catching AIDS at thirteen. I bet she didn't even consider it thereby proving my point."
Err, I would have because I was taught that you can get aids/pregnant by sex, that you can prohibit it by using condoms and that these condoms are only like 99,99999995% safe. But according to you, people are ready for it with 15. Is having aids or becoming pregnant with 15 any better than with 13? According to you it is...
(I have problems discussing in a foreign language. I hope you get what I mean.)
"the worst of this all, is that the daugthers that get pregnant by the age of 14-15 arent usually those whose parents where mature and open about the ins and outs of the sex, are those whore parents were dictaroring , extremely narrow minded regarding "morality", and lived in denial about their kids being sexually active..."
Makes me think of Sarah Palins daughter ..
I'm saying that you sure are homophobic for a guy infatuated enough with penis to carry it as his name.
I personally don't give a shit about this topic, but the irony here is palpable atm.
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you got me!
All sexual prefs should be banned in game. In fact I think that all characters should be genderless with armor that cover every bit of the avatar. Everyone should be assigned an automatic nickname when joining to prevent anyone taking offense. Like Warrior001 and Mage201 etc. PvP should also be nuked and removed so that no one gets offended.
And if anyone mentions anything sexual or lurid in chat, bam immediate ban! Or if they say anything political or religious in chat bam immediate ban!
Then lets take it one step further, Have Everyone chipped so that way we will be unable to say or do anything offensive in real life. And everyone can walk around like mindless zombies while we go about our daily lives! Diversity pfft who needs that? Mediocrity for the win!
By far the most ignorant and stupid comment I've ever seen in these forums .
I would say that there is a case for servers for children and servers for adults to protect children from from internet preditors but theres another word used for that evil type of person and its not homosexual .
You've really made yourself look a fool .