Well in my honest opinion if something is not a direct affect on my play time, or experince than i really don't care what people do with their time or money. An example of this would be buying a vanity pet, or outfit from a cash shop, it looks nice and gives some immersion, but it really doesn't break anything for me. Where people say that things in a cash shop should be obbtainable in game, then that should go both ways as i can see it, and so you can buy everything in the shop from content to gear, even quests. Where pay to win games are concerned i don't play them as i am not a competive person, and don't find it fun or relaxing to play such as game, but some do so i keep my distance. If someone buys thheir toon it is fustrating, even annoying, but it is more that they are the ones i see more offen then not complain about how boring the game is, and how there is no content in the game. I always say to them that they skippped a good chunk of the content and fun when they bought their toon. I could careless that they bought it, just that they had the gull to complain when they had seen so little of what there was in the game. My opinions are not the norm, but they are my opinions so they are not right or correct just how i think.
one of my first posts as this was an interesting thread so i gave my two cents.
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"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Are you referring to something in particular with this post?
If not I would also like to ask why people want to ban marijuana, gay marriage, the sale of alcohol on Sunday, etc. when it has no effect on them.
VERY VERY good question.
I agree with this....AND with the OP.
Why DO people care about things that have no effect whatsoever on themselves? Personally....I think it's control freaks. They just can't STAND for things to feel outside of their control. Give me a week with a real delusional control freak....I'll cure their stupid ass. I'll drive them straight into the psyche ward, because I don't do well with someone trying to control me. LOL
It's because these people believe it effects them, and in an odd way, them believing that it does actually causes it to.
Besides, the OP is making a dig about people who dislike RMT, and it has nothing to do with some deep philisophical question. It's nothing more than an attempt to selectively pick and choose his arguements so he can spin his personal views about RMT.
You seem to be quite paranoid and irritated by this discussion.
Hmm? Why?
I'm neither upset nor paranoid. I simply made an observation, and I'm not the first to have made it in this thread.
I don't care if you like RMT or not, t was never the point of the thread.
You are paranoid. Im not "out to get you".
Please stop trolling the thread becouse any dicussion of RMT sends you into a rage and you look down on thoes that may enjoy what they bring or, dosn't care about it as it dosn't affect them.
I never said you were "out to get me", nor did I ever think you were. Additionally, you shouldn't quote things that weren't even stated, because it improperly implies that someone stated or believes something when there is no basis to support such a claim, which leads you into the realm of libel.
And wheter or not RMT isn't the point of the thread, you do seem to like to weigh against my and other's concerns about it. Whether it was your intent or not, clearly you have a pro RMT view which is brought out by your responses, which has in part moved the discussion within this thread to include RMT. What you truly intended by this post I'll never truly know, but I hardly believe it was made from a purely philisophical standpoint without any alterior motive, based upon the various responses to things that don't meet your own personal value set.
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I am neither trolling this thread, nor am I angered in the least by it. Additionally I do not, "look down on thoes that may enjoy what they bring or, dosn't care about it as it dosn't affect them". As I have stated in my earlier posts, I truly to do not mind what other people enjoy, so long as it legitimately does not negatively impact me. The point I have been attempting to get across in my posts is that things that you may not personally feel as having an impact on you, may still have an impact on others, because their personal values and belief systems are not the same as your own. In other words, "negative impact" is open to some interpretation.
Many others seem to get the very simple concept. If someone posts something that is contrary to your very definitive and narrow statements, well I do believe that’s called a discussion.
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"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Especially when it usually has zero impact on you?
Simple question.
if it has zero impact on me, i dont care.
simple answer?
This dosn't seem to click for some.
Actually what doesn't click is that you're not operating in a vacuum. No one is. Individual choices add up to the options we all get down the road, which is why some people care what you do with your time and money.
Your presumption that it has zero impact is flatly wrong on multiple levels.
Very well said.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
Especially when it usually has zero impact on you?
Simple question.
if it has zero impact on me, i dont care.
simple answer?
This dosn't seem to click for some.
Actually what doesn't click is that you're not operating in a vacuum. No one is. Individual choices add up to the options we all get down the road, which is why some people care what you do with your time and money.
Your presumption that it has zero impact is flatly wrong on multiple levels.
Very well said.
I don't think it was. My choice to buy a fluffly bunny pet has nothing to do with you. The idea that "development will change" is reaching, it was allready changed, it changes all the time, what makes this time the larger evil?
It’s also a level of impact that most will never ever care, or know, or be impacted by. So I don’t understand the statement, nor the why its being inflated in severity.
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"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
For the most part, I am a large proponent of the live and let live ideology. I do get disappointed though when players begin to act a certain way, and then developers try to cater to those folks, which does indirectly impact my game play experience as the gameplay elements I enjoy are slowly phased out. Not a huge deal for me. I try to find enjoyment in a number of different activites.
I guess to those that can’t also use this philosophy, have a hard time treating games as entertainment, instead of life defining moments or replacement reality.
Well thats true, while most people play games as a form of entertainment, some folks do take it to extremes or at least treat it far more seriously than the general population.
I always shake my head in amazement when I see a "hardcore" guild recruiting and their requirements are "10 or more hours a day" of being online. Their stated reasoning is that they want to be the "best". Best PVP, Best PVE, Best Raiders, what have you, and while I do like to achieve things in video games, I will not be carving on my tombstone... "He was a Warloard in the arena" or some such title.
I don't care if others do things in game that really don't affect me....but sometimes it can be hard to discern whether an action will have an impact and we tend to error on the side of caution and raise a fuss when perhaps one is not warrented.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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The fundamental flaw of the OP's arguement is the assumption that other people are 'not impacted' by what other people spend their time and/or money.
The truth is, the reason these people have a problem is because they are being negatively impacted, even if they are not overtly and tangibly being impacted in your view.
Take RMT for example. There are strong arguements that RMT can give other people unfair advantages, it ruins immersion, and ruins the spirit of the game by turning it into a "who can spend the most money" pissing contest.
If the pissing contest was designed into the game, how does that ruin the spirit? Or do you refer to the spirit you thrust apon the game before participating?
Did you have no choise in the matter to play?
If I join a nut kicking contest, I would not complain that someone kicked me in the nuts. Consequently, I would also not complain that someone bought a sanctioned cod piece.
Which is the core of the issue, and again, the flaw in your arguement.
Most people don't care about things in games they don't play, and most people aren't stupid enough to choose something they don't like.
I personally hate RMT, and will avoid any MMO with it. If someone else decides to play an MMO with RMT, that's their choice and I couldn't care less. I choose to play MMOs with features I like, and avoid ones that have things I don't like.
If however, I choose to play a game that has no RMT, play it for several years, and then all of a sudden there's RMT... that's a whole different story. It is under this scenario, that most people get the most upset and are the most vocal about.
In other words, the majority of gripes about things like RMT are by people who don't want it in the game they have been playing which did not have it when they made the choice to start playing it.
I don't know of many games that have done this though. The ones I am aware of, also continue to have subs, or provide ZERO "advantage" items, such as Wows mounts or pets as an example, or in EQ2's case, simply providing a place for players to trade among themselves.
So why would you care?
I have no arguement, I have questions.
In this example, I think many players are pretty sure this is just the tip of the iceburg. If these RMT items are popular enough, they may start selling items that do matter or create certain advantages for others.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
Especially when it usually has zero impact on you?
Simple question.
Totally agree...
What I wonder most about is why some Folks are so against Players wanting different Server types...ie...PvP, PvE, RP PvP, etc...I mean...I want to Play with Players who have similar Gaming styles and preferences...You get to pick exactly what kind of Server you want to Play on...It's a win/win for everybody if you ask me...Why would anyone have a problem with that? I just don't get it...
The 2nd one is multiple characters per Server...If you only want one or two then roll one or two...Don't tell me I, as an altaholic, should be limited...It's stupid...And the whole immersion/economy argument drives me nuts on this topic...It's complete and utter garbage...I'm not saying WOW is a perfect Game, but it has built a monster Sub Base allowing what, 10 Characters Per Server or something like that? Obviously it can work to an incredible degree and most Folks like it...No one can tell Me multiple Characters per Server needs to be a deal breaker in a Game...It's a completely ridiculous argument...
Especially when it usually has zero impact on you?
Simple question.
if it has zero impact on me, i dont care.
simple answer?
This dosn't seem to click for some.
Actually what doesn't click is that you're not operating in a vacuum. No one is. Individual choices add up to the options we all get down the road, which is why some people care what you do with your time and money.
Your presumption that it has zero impact is flatly wrong on multiple levels.
Very well said.
I don't think it was. My choice to buy a fluffly bunny pet has nothing to do with you. The idea that "development will change" is reaching, it was allready changed, it changes all the time, what makes this time the larger evil?
It’s also a level of impact that most will never ever care, or know, or be impacted by. So I don’t understand the statement, nor the why its being inflated in severity.
You are right, I don't care about a fluffy bunny. It does not affect me. But look around and try to find an MMO that still has forced grouping in it... They do not exist any longer. This has directly impacted me. Forever.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
"Community" is not as large as people try to make it out to be, its the very local people you interact with, not the server at large, that’s why its always been a moot point for me. Its basically a "class of player" bigotry, nothing more.
Ignore is awesome.
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"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
For example, I have about 500 fraudulent e-mails in my inbox trying to steal my now cancelled WoW account, which would not be there if the lamers who buy gold hadn't created a market for these thieves. Ask a gold buyer and he will tell you why should I care if he buys gold? Ask me and the other honest players how we like the gold spam and the constant attempted fraud, and we will tell you it effects us.
Another very valid example.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
Especially when it usually has zero impact on you?
Simple question.
if it has zero impact on me, i dont care.
simple answer?
This dosn't seem to click for some.
Actually what doesn't click is that you're not operating in a vacuum. No one is. Individual choices add up to the options we all get down the road, which is why some people care what you do with your time and money.
Your presumption that it has zero impact is flatly wrong on multiple levels.
Very well said.
I don't think it was. My choice to buy a fluffly bunny pet has nothing to do with you. The idea that "development will change" is reaching, it was allready changed, it changes all the time, what makes this time the larger evil?
It’s also a level of impact that most will never ever care, or know, or be impacted by. So I don’t understand the statement, nor the why its being inflated in severity.
You are right, I don't care about a fluffy bunny. It does not affect me. But look around and try to find an MMO that still has forced grouping in it... They do not exist any longer. This has directly impacted me. Forever.
Yes there are. You just do not want to play them, you want the game you want to play to chage to the game you want it to be.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Especially when it usually has zero impact on you?
Simple question.
if it has zero impact on me, i dont care.
simple answer?
This dosn't seem to click for some.
Actually what doesn't click is that you're not operating in a vacuum. No one is. Individual choices add up to the options we all get down the road, which is why some people care what you do with your time and money.
Your presumption that it has zero impact is flatly wrong on multiple levels.
Very well said.
I don't think it was. My choice to buy a fluffly bunny pet has nothing to do with you. The idea that "development will change" is reaching, it was allready changed, it changes all the time, what makes this time the larger evil?
It’s also a level of impact that most will never ever care, or know, or be impacted by. So I don’t understand the statement, nor the why its being inflated in severity.
You are right, I don't care about a fluffy bunny. It does not affect me. But look around and try to find an MMO that still has forced grouping in it... They do not exist any longer. This has directly impacted me. Forever.
Yes there are. You just do not want to play them, you want the game you want to play to chage to the game you want it to be.
Has he stated in this thread that there is a particular game or games that he wants to play and wants to change to meet his personal taste? I have not seen him make such a statement. In fact it looks to me like he is simply lamenting the fact that there are no games that meet his personal tastes well enough, because the game market has shifted away and limited his choices. That doesn't necessarily mean that he wants existing games to change, simply that he wants more choices that run more in parallel to what he wants. In other words, he's asking for more choices, not for existing choices to conform to his desire as you are so unkindly stating.
Especially when it usually has zero impact on you?
Simple question.
if it has zero impact on me, i dont care.
simple answer?
This dosn't seem to click for some.
Actually what doesn't click is that you're not operating in a vacuum. No one is. Individual choices add up to the options we all get down the road, which is why some people care what you do with your time and money.
Your presumption that it has zero impact is flatly wrong on multiple levels.
Very well said.
I don't think it was. My choice to buy a fluffly bunny pet has nothing to do with you. The idea that "development will change" is reaching, it was allready changed, it changes all the time, what makes this time the larger evil?
It’s also a level of impact that most will never ever care, or know, or be impacted by. So I don’t understand the statement, nor the why its being inflated in severity.
You are right, I don't care about a fluffy bunny. It does not affect me. But look around and try to find an MMO that still has forced grouping in it... They do not exist any longer. This has directly impacted me. Forever.
Yes there are. You just do not want to play them, you want the game you want to play to chage to the game you want it to be.
I admit I would be happy if every game had every element I enjoyed in it. Im not delusional enough to get upset that it will never be that way. Please name 3 MMORPGs that have forced grouping in them.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
Especially when it usually has zero impact on you?
Simple question.
if it has zero impact on me, i dont care.
simple answer?
This dosn't seem to click for some.
Actually what doesn't click is that you're not operating in a vacuum. No one is. Individual choices add up to the options we all get down the road, which is why some people care what you do with your time and money.
Your presumption that it has zero impact is flatly wrong on multiple levels.
Very well said.
I don't think it was. My choice to buy a fluffly bunny pet has nothing to do with you. The idea that "development will change" is reaching, it was allready changed, it changes all the time, what makes this time the larger evil?
It’s also a level of impact that most will never ever care, or know, or be impacted by. So I don’t understand the statement, nor the why its being inflated in severity.
You are right, I don't care about a fluffy bunny. It does not affect me. But look around and try to find an MMO that still has forced grouping in it... They do not exist any longer. This has directly impacted me. Forever.
Yes there are. You just do not want to play them, you want the game you want to play to chage to the game you want it to be.
I admit I would be happy if every game had every element I enjoyed in it. Im not delusional enough to get upset that it will never be that way. Please name 3 MMORPGs that have forced grouping in them.
Final Fantasy XI, DAoC and Everquest and yes all 3 are still up and running.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
I think that is the issue there with that one. Everyone wants their game to be just how they want it, no middle ground, no compremises, it's this way or it is wrong and i cann't enjoy it mentality. i can admit that some games took it too extreme with their grouping, weather it be too forced or being almost non-existent. Sometimes i wonder if it is really about how the games is suppoded to be when i read about these things, or if it is about being the one who is right.
Has he stated in this thread that there is a particular game or games that he wants to play and wants to change to meet his personal taste? I have not seen him make such a statement. In fact it looks to me like he is simply lamenting the fact that there are no games that meet his personal tastes well enough, because the game market has shifted away and limited his choices. That doesn't necessarily mean that he wants existing games to change, simply that he wants more choices that run more in parallel to what he wants. In other words, he's asking for more choices, not for existing choices to conform to his desire as you are so unkindly stating.
You missed the point, it does not need to be said (typed) verbaly.
Very rarely does ANY game meet the ideals in ones head.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
I admit I would be happy if every game had every element I enjoyed in it. Im not delusional enough to get upset that it will never be that way. Please name 3 MMORPGs that have forced grouping in them.
Final Fantasy XI, DAoC and Everquest and yes all 3 are still up and running.
There is a lot more than that. My point being, they will mostlikely be invalid for a long list of subjective reasions for him, but that does not equate to them not exisiting.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Has he stated in this thread that there is a particular game or games that he wants to play and wants to change to meet his personal taste? I have not seen him make such a statement. In fact it looks to me like he is simply lamenting the fact that there are no games that meet his personal tastes well enough, because the game market has shifted away and limited his choices. That doesn't necessarily mean that he wants existing games to change, simply that he wants more choices that run more in parallel to what he wants. In other words, he's asking for more choices, not for existing choices to conform to his desire as you are so unkindly stating.
You missed the point, it does not need to be said (typed) verbaly.
Very rarely does ANY game meet the ideals in ones head.
WE all have an ideal perfect game in our heads and we all ahve a limit to what we will compromise on and still be willing to call a game "good", play and support it. After that it becomes sacrifice not compromise.
Has he stated in this thread that there is a particular game or games that he wants to play and wants to change to meet his personal taste? I have not seen him make such a statement. In fact it looks to me like he is simply lamenting the fact that there are no games that meet his personal tastes well enough, because the game market has shifted away and limited his choices. That doesn't necessarily mean that he wants existing games to change, simply that he wants more choices that run more in parallel to what he wants. In other words, he's asking for more choices, not for existing choices to conform to his desire as you are so unkindly stating.
You missed the point, it does not need to be said (typed) verbaly.
Very rarely does ANY game meet the ideals in ones head.
WE all have an ideal perfect game in our heads and we all ahve a limit to what we will compromise on and still be willing to call a game "good", play and support it. After that it becomes sacrifice not compromise.
That sounds super serious!
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Has he stated in this thread that there is a particular game or games that he wants to play and wants to change to meet his personal taste? I have not seen him make such a statement. In fact it looks to me like he is simply lamenting the fact that there are no games that meet his personal tastes well enough, because the game market has shifted away and limited his choices. That doesn't necessarily mean that he wants existing games to change, simply that he wants more choices that run more in parallel to what he wants. In other words, he's asking for more choices, not for existing choices to conform to his desire as you are so unkindly stating.
You missed the point, it does not need to be said (typed) verbaly.
Very rarely does ANY game meet the ideals in ones head.
And you completely missed the point of my response. Where did the poster you responded to imply that he felt otherwise?
You responded to him, and I quote, "you want the game you want to play to chage to the game you want it to be."
I responded by asking where the poster ever implied that he wanted the game he was playing to change to conform to what he wanted, because I never saw anything within his post that stated such. That was your assumption of what that poster meant, and then you turned around and accused him of trying to 'force his will upon others by trying to change the game he's playing to what he wants,' when he never stated anything like that.
It seems to me that you have a penchant for putting words into the mouths of people who do not wholey agree with your personal ideals.
Please stop trying to mke this persional with every post.
Participate, or don't. Upto you.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Please stop trying to mke this persional with every post.
Participate, or don't. Upto you.
I have participated, constructively, in several posts without making it personal. Feel free to go through this thread's history and you will find them.
It seems however that you completely skirt around valid points that don't conform to your personal views on the matter. Rather than actually having an honest discussion, you are picking and choosing what to respond to based upon agreeing with those who agree with you, and outright ignoring valid counterpoints and even taking verbal pot shots at those don't share a carbon copy of your view.
The irony of it all, is that you proclaim me as a troll, when the reality of the situation is quite the opposite.
Please stop trying to mke this persional with every post.
Participate, or don't. Upto you.
I was attempting to avoid this thread, but you seem to be unable to let this topic go (think this is at least the 3rd one I've seen from you now).
The problem with microtransactions and item mall style games is, where does it stop? Sure, fluff and vanity items don't affect the game directly, but if those sales do so well, what's to stop a company from making the best items/equipment/zones/characters only available through extra fees? It would be bad enough that the fluff items are only available through the microtransactions.
This is strictly talking about subscription games; you know, the fee we pay for access to the game and content? If we're talking free to play games, then I could care less. That's how they make money and it's a complete rip off especially compared to a normal subscription fee, which is why I stay clear.
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Welcome out of the lerking!
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
I never said you were "out to get me", nor did I ever think you were. Additionally, you shouldn't quote things that weren't even stated, because it improperly implies that someone stated or believes something when there is no basis to support such a claim, which leads you into the realm of libel.
And wheter or not RMT isn't the point of the thread, you do seem to like to weigh against my and other's concerns about it. Whether it was your intent or not, clearly you have a pro RMT view which is brought out by your responses, which has in part moved the discussion within this thread to include RMT. What you truly intended by this post I'll never truly know, but I hardly believe it was made from a purely philisophical standpoint without any alterior motive, based upon the various responses to things that don't meet your own personal value set.
--Edited to include the previous poster's edit--
I am neither trolling this thread, nor am I angered in the least by it. Additionally I do not, "look down on thoes that may enjoy what they bring or, dosn't care about it as it dosn't affect them". As I have stated in my earlier posts, I truly to do not mind what other people enjoy, so long as it legitimately does not negatively impact me. The point I have been attempting to get across in my posts is that things that you may not personally feel as having an impact on you, may still have an impact on others, because their personal values and belief systems are not the same as your own. In other words, "negative impact" is open to some interpretation.
Many others seem to get the very simple concept. If someone posts something that is contrary to your very definitive and narrow statements, well I do believe that’s called a discussion.
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"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Very well said.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
I don't think it was. My choice to buy a fluffly bunny pet has nothing to do with you. The idea that "development will change" is reaching, it was allready changed, it changes all the time, what makes this time the larger evil?
It’s also a level of impact that most will never ever care, or know, or be impacted by. So I don’t understand the statement, nor the why its being inflated in severity.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
well thank you, but i like lerking it is fun, and so interesting lol
Well thats true, while most people play games as a form of entertainment, some folks do take it to extremes or at least treat it far more seriously than the general population.
I always shake my head in amazement when I see a "hardcore" guild recruiting and their requirements are "10 or more hours a day" of being online. Their stated reasoning is that they want to be the "best". Best PVP, Best PVE, Best Raiders, what have you, and while I do like to achieve things in video games, I will not be carving on my tombstone... "He was a Warloard in the arena" or some such title.
I don't care if others do things in game that really don't affect me....but sometimes it can be hard to discern whether an action will have an impact and we tend to error on the side of caution and raise a fuss when perhaps one is not warrented.
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
In this example, I think many players are pretty sure this is just the tip of the iceburg. If these RMT items are popular enough, they may start selling items that do matter or create certain advantages for others.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
Totally agree...
What I wonder most about is why some Folks are so against Players wanting different Server types...ie...PvP, PvE, RP PvP, etc...I mean...I want to Play with Players who have similar Gaming styles and preferences...You get to pick exactly what kind of Server you want to Play on...It's a win/win for everybody if you ask me...Why would anyone have a problem with that? I just don't get it...
The 2nd one is multiple characters per Server...If you only want one or two then roll one or two...Don't tell me I, as an altaholic, should be limited...It's stupid...And the whole immersion/economy argument drives me nuts on this topic...It's complete and utter garbage...I'm not saying WOW is a perfect Game, but it has built a monster Sub Base allowing what, 10 Characters Per Server or something like that? Obviously it can work to an incredible degree and most Folks like it...No one can tell Me multiple Characters per Server needs to be a deal breaker in a Game...It's a completely ridiculous argument...
OK...Steps off soapbox...
You are right, I don't care about a fluffy bunny. It does not affect me. But look around and try to find an MMO that still has forced grouping in it... They do not exist any longer. This has directly impacted me. Forever.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
"Community" is not as large as people try to make it out to be, its the very local people you interact with, not the server at large, that’s why its always been a moot point for me. Its basically a "class of player" bigotry, nothing more.
Ignore is awesome.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Another very valid example.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
Yes there are. You just do not want to play them, you want the game you want to play to chage to the game you want it to be.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Has he stated in this thread that there is a particular game or games that he wants to play and wants to change to meet his personal taste? I have not seen him make such a statement. In fact it looks to me like he is simply lamenting the fact that there are no games that meet his personal tastes well enough, because the game market has shifted away and limited his choices. That doesn't necessarily mean that he wants existing games to change, simply that he wants more choices that run more in parallel to what he wants. In other words, he's asking for more choices, not for existing choices to conform to his desire as you are so unkindly stating.
I admit I would be happy if every game had every element I enjoyed in it. Im not delusional enough to get upset that it will never be that way. Please name 3 MMORPGs that have forced grouping in them.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
Final Fantasy XI, DAoC and Everquest and yes all 3 are still up and running.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
I think that is the issue there with that one. Everyone wants their game to be just how they want it, no middle ground, no compremises, it's this way or it is wrong and i cann't enjoy it mentality. i can admit that some games took it too extreme with their grouping, weather it be too forced or being almost non-existent. Sometimes i wonder if it is really about how the games is suppoded to be when i read about these things, or if it is about being the one who is right.
You missed the point, it does not need to be said (typed) verbaly.
Very rarely does ANY game meet the ideals in ones head.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
There is a lot more than that. My point being, they will mostlikely be invalid for a long list of subjective reasions for him, but that does not equate to them not exisiting.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
WE all have an ideal perfect game in our heads and we all ahve a limit to what we will compromise on and still be willing to call a game "good", play and support it. After that it becomes sacrifice not compromise.
Gaming since Avalon Hill was making board games.
Played SWG, EVE, Fallen Earth, LOTRO, Rift, Vanguard, WoW, SWTOR, TSW, Tera
Tried Aoc, Aion, EQII, RoM, Vindictus, Darkfail, DDO, GW, PotBS
That sounds super serious!
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
And you completely missed the point of my response. Where did the poster you responded to imply that he felt otherwise?
You responded to him, and I quote, "you want the game you want to play to chage to the game you want it to be."
I responded by asking where the poster ever implied that he wanted the game he was playing to change to conform to what he wanted, because I never saw anything within his post that stated such. That was your assumption of what that poster meant, and then you turned around and accused him of trying to 'force his will upon others by trying to change the game he's playing to what he wants,' when he never stated anything like that.
It seems to me that you have a penchant for putting words into the mouths of people who do not wholey agree with your personal ideals.
Please stop trying to mke this persional with every post.
Participate, or don't. Upto you.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
I have participated, constructively, in several posts without making it personal. Feel free to go through this thread's history and you will find them.
It seems however that you completely skirt around valid points that don't conform to your personal views on the matter. Rather than actually having an honest discussion, you are picking and choosing what to respond to based upon agreeing with those who agree with you, and outright ignoring valid counterpoints and even taking verbal pot shots at those don't share a carbon copy of your view.
The irony of it all, is that you proclaim me as a troll, when the reality of the situation is quite the opposite.
I was attempting to avoid this thread, but you seem to be unable to let this topic go (think this is at least the 3rd one I've seen from you now).
The problem with microtransactions and item mall style games is, where does it stop? Sure, fluff and vanity items don't affect the game directly, but if those sales do so well, what's to stop a company from making the best items/equipment/zones/characters only available through extra fees? It would be bad enough that the fluff items are only available through the microtransactions.
This is strictly talking about subscription games; you know, the fee we pay for access to the game and content? If we're talking free to play games, then I could care less. That's how they make money and it's a complete rip off especially compared to a normal subscription fee, which is why I stay clear.