Those who treat it like a free demo should just get the hell out.
SE pretty much set it up this way. What game that is still in Alpha doesn't allow all their accounts to use the "report" bug link on their website/forums? I made a long post about bugs I found and written down and within hours its off page 1 and lost in the sea of threads. But because my account which was active through Alpha didn't have "Access" to the bug report feature was pointless. They purposely set this up as a "Demo" where all they wanted was feedback. The made certain aspects the focus each week and only wanted peoples thoughts on what they thought of it, exact purpose of a demo, which is all this alpha/beta was.
Honestly the game will stay Niche just like its predecessor, unless they change it drastically.We know their goal is to compete with WoWInterview with company president, which wont happen. The bad part is it's not happening because of certain gameplay style choices or other gameplay factors(learning curve,PVP setup etc) but because of outdated mechanics and controls.
Who wants to keyboard turn in a MMO?Who wants to go through 5-6 windows of menus, that feels like Zelda on a NES to activate a quest or equip gear?Who wants to STOP completely anytime you want to sheath and un-sheath your weapon?Who wants to run 800 yards past a objective because a 3 Inch Z-axis elevation change is blocking you and your character cannot go over it or jump/fall down it?
The above and many others will be what makes this game Niche and SE have themselves to blame.
They purposely set out setting up their alpha/beta events to be purely Demos in nature. People will judge the game by what they have seen already and move on.Plenty of options out there now.
Btw its people like hyanman that make even posting on the alpha/beta forums a pain in the ass. Because as soon as you post feeback the rabid fanboys coming rushing in and give off there usual 1 liners of " It's fine, its just like FFXI" or "This isnt , go back to that game" or many others.
I think your attitude might play a part in why people react the way they do to your posts... your verbage can hardly be consided constructive criticism.
Threads like this amuse me.. You get a bunch of emo rage haters, who apparantly believe that their little "this game needs this or it will fail" type threads actually make a difference..
Just cause XIV doesn't appeal to you, doesn't mean it's going to fail. Period, no argument there.
Just because nobody is making MMO's that you like, doesn't mean SE is going to change stuff just to get people from that market either. They are marketting to three groups.. Die hard FF players, FFXI players, and people who might have stuck with XI had it been more casual friendly.
If you don't like it, well, you can always wait for the next game to come out, and try your little whine and cry like a baby tactics and see how far it gets you..
I will just chime in occasionally and remind you of the definition of insanity.
"If I'd asked my customers what they wanted, they'd have said a faster horse." - Henry Ford
Heres the thing Final Fantasy Fan Base is huge! Even if this mmo is fail it will be 2 million + easily playing it and because of there track record im guessing it will be a very good MMO.
Threads like this amuse me.. You get a bunch of emo rage haters, who apparantly believe that their little "this game needs this or it will fail" type threads actually make a difference..
Just cause XIV doesn't appeal to you, doesn't mean it's going to fail. Period, no argument there.
Just because nobody is making MMO's that you like, doesn't mean SE is going to change stuff just to get people from that market either. They are marketting to three groups.. Die hard FF players, FFXI players, and people who might have stuck with XI had it been more casual friendly.
If you don't like it, well, you can always wait for the next game to come out, and try your little whine and cry like a baby tactics and see how far it gets you..
I will just chime in occasionally and remind you of the definition of insanity.
Says otherwise, They are trying to make a mass market game that can compete with WoW. They will not succeed. It will be FFXI all over again wth 500k subs and a niche market.
Fanboys untie though, and fight the fight.
I agree that it's not going to have any where near WoW's numbers and that Wada saying it will challenge the throne is outright rediculous. But it doesn't change the fact that you're just a troll either.
Heres the thing Final Fantasy Fan Base is huge! Even if this mmo is fail it will be 2 million + easily playing it and because of there track record im guessing it will be a very good MMO.
See you guys in game!
Eh? So basically ur assuming that all people who like final fantasy will like the MMO? i completely disagree. most of my friends who played final fantasy from the beginning wouldnt touch the mmo since they just dont like mmo's in general.
also a lot of ff fans hated XI. though it got great initial reaction (which is probably based on the fact that people love ff) it didnt do so hotly after a year where SE saw a big % of the players drop from 500,000 to about 300,000. people keep boasting how it was on the top 6 most played games on xBox live but that really isnt anything to brag about since the other games in the top 6 (halo, etc) had more like 2 - 3 million.
Talking about the subscription numbers is kind of pointless. It will probably be in the 300k-500k range. It will turn a proffit (making it a success as far as buisness is concerned) and it's subcribers will enjoy it. Anyone that says it is a failure because of this is ignorent to how the real world and gaming industry works.
Heres the thing Final Fantasy Fan Base is huge! Even if this mmo is fail it will be 2 million + easily playing it and because of there track record im guessing it will be a very good MMO.
See you guys in game!
Eh? So basically ur assuming that all people who like final fantasy will like the MMO? i completely disagree. most of my friends who played final fantasy from the beginning wouldnt touch the mmo since they just dont like mmo's in general.
also a lot of ff fans hated XI. though it got great initial reaction (which is probably based on the fact that people love ff) it didnt do so hotly after a year where SE saw a big % of the players drop from 500,000 to about 300,000. people keep boasting how it was on the top 6 most played games on xBox live but that really isnt anything to brag about since the other games in the top 6 (halo, etc) had more like 2 - 3 million.
...Because a year later WoW was released and already started deterioriting the playerbase of other MMOs.
Either way, 500k subs is quite good for an MMO. I have no idea why people think it's terrible.
Heres the thing Final Fantasy Fan Base is huge! Even if this mmo is fail it will be 2 million + easily playing it and because of there track record im guessing it will be a very good MMO. See you guys in game!
Eh? So basically ur assuming that all people who like final fantasy will like the MMO? i completely disagree. most of my friends who played final fantasy from the beginning wouldnt touch the mmo since they just dont like mmo's in general.
also a lot of ff fans hated XI. though it got great initial reaction (which is probably based on the fact that people love ff) it didnt do so hotly after a year where SE saw a big % of the players drop from 500,000 to about 300,000. people keep boasting how it was on the top 6 most played games on xBox live but that really isnt anything to brag about since the other games in the top 6 (halo, etc) had more like 2 - 3 million.
...Because a year later WoW was released and already started deterioriting the playerbase of other MMOs.
Either way, 500k subs is quite good for an MMO. I have no idea why people think it's terrible.
In the post-WoW world, people think that anything that doesn't crap gold nuggets is garbage...and they're stupid.
Heres the thing Final Fantasy Fan Base is huge! Even if this mmo is fail it will be 2 million + easily playing it and because of there track record im guessing it will be a very good MMO.
See you guys in game!
Eh? So basically ur assuming that all people who like final fantasy will like the MMO? i completely disagree. most of my friends who played final fantasy from the beginning wouldnt touch the mmo since they just dont like mmo's in general.
also a lot of ff fans hated XI. though it got great initial reaction (which is probably based on the fact that people love ff) it didnt do so hotly after a year where SE saw a big % of the players drop from 500,000 to about 300,000. people keep boasting how it was on the top 6 most played games on xBox live but that really isnt anything to brag about since the other games in the top 6 (halo, etc) had more like 2 - 3 million.
...Because a year later WoW was released and already started deterioriting the playerbase of other MMOs.
Either way, 500k subs is quite good for an MMO. I have no idea why people think it's terrible.
In the post-WoW world, people think that anything that doesn't crap gold nuggets is garbage...and they're stupid.
Heres the thing Final Fantasy Fan Base is huge! Even if this mmo is fail it will be 2 million + easily playing it and because of there track record im guessing it will be a very good MMO.
See you guys in game!
Eh? So basically ur assuming that all people who like final fantasy will like the MMO? i completely disagree. most of my friends who played final fantasy from the beginning wouldnt touch the mmo since they just dont like mmo's in general.
also a lot of ff fans hated XI. though it got great initial reaction (which is probably based on the fact that people love ff) it didnt do so hotly after a year where SE saw a big % of the players drop from 500,000 to about 300,000. people keep boasting how it was on the top 6 most played games on xBox live but that really isnt anything to brag about since the other games in the top 6 (halo, etc) had more like 2 - 3 million.
...Because a year later WoW was released and already started deterioriting the playerbase of other MMOs.
Either way, 500k subs is quite good for an MMO. I have no idea why people think it's terrible.
I was suprised when I heard how many subs FFXI had like 6 years after release. I am confident FFXIV will at least match it after seeing where they are at in beta and what they intend to do before release.
I remember when FFXI came out, I thought it looked kind of crappy(even for it's time) and played like utter garbage (personaly opinion that I know was shared by tons of others), yet they still maintained decent subs constantly over the next 10 years.
On the contrary, FFXIV looks amazing, plays way better then I thought it would and has the ability to reach a much larger audience instead of only the hardcore group types. I just hope they don't make it too easy or leave grouping as useless as it is now.
In the post-WoW world, people think that anything that doesn't crap gold nuggets is garbage...and they're stupid.
You mean like WAR and STO, and SWG?
Oh, I include devs/studios in that as well. Most everyone now is shooting for that WoW level of success instead of focusing on just making a good game that is profitable. I mean, Sony tried to make SWG more popular and ended up alienating it's base and lowering subs.
Heres the thing Final Fantasy Fan Base is huge! Even if this mmo is fail it will be 2 million + easily playing it and because of there track record im guessing it will be a very good MMO.
See you guys in game!
Eh? So basically ur assuming that all people who like final fantasy will like the MMO? i completely disagree. most of my friends who played final fantasy from the beginning wouldnt touch the mmo since they just dont like mmo's in general.
also a lot of ff fans hated XI. though it got great initial reaction (which is probably based on the fact that people love ff) it didnt do so hotly after a year where SE saw a big % of the players drop from 500,000 to about 300,000. people keep boasting how it was on the top 6 most played games on xBox live but that really isnt anything to brag about since the other games in the top 6 (halo, etc) had more like 2 - 3 million.
...Because a year later WoW was released and already started deterioriting the playerbase of other MMOs.
Either way, 500k subs is quite good for an MMO. I have no idea why people think it's terrible.
Most likely because its not 500k. It currently sits at around 350k, which on face value doesn't seem bad until you realise where the majority of the playerbase resides (i.e. Asia). For a MMO for that region, it is not comparable in numbers to their truely successful MMOs. In the west its been a failure.
Heres the thing Final Fantasy Fan Base is huge! Even if this mmo is fail it will be 2 million + easily playing it and because of there track record im guessing it will be a very good MMO.
See you guys in game!
Eh? So basically ur assuming that all people who like final fantasy will like the MMO? i completely disagree. most of my friends who played final fantasy from the beginning wouldnt touch the mmo since they just dont like mmo's in general.
also a lot of ff fans hated XI. though it got great initial reaction (which is probably based on the fact that people love ff) it didnt do so hotly after a year where SE saw a big % of the players drop from 500,000 to about 300,000. people keep boasting how it was on the top 6 most played games on xBox live but that really isnt anything to brag about since the other games in the top 6 (halo, etc) had more like 2 - 3 million.
...Because a year later WoW was released and already started deterioriting the playerbase of other MMOs.
Either way, 500k subs is quite good for an MMO. I have no idea why people think it's terrible.
Most likely because its not 500k. It currently sits at around 350k, which on face value doesn't seem bad until you realise where the majority of the playerbase resides (i.e. Asia). For a MMO for that region, it is not comparable in numbers to their truely successful MMOs. In the west its been a failure.
...No. FFXI's sub numbers have balanced out to 500k since about 2007 and fluctuated around there. The playerbase is spread out evenly across the world, as well, with a little weight given towards Japan.
MMOs do not do well in Japan at all (I could give a background lecture, but I need to get to bed.) FFXI was able to break through that and still hold its current subscription base well into North American and Euro release -- and even to today.
Also, please don't lump together Asia and Japan. You can't compare a Japanese MMO with that of South Korean and Chinese games, where the Japanese MMO isn't even supported. All very different cultures when it comes to online games, with Japan veering away most of the time (but they're slowly coming around.) Personally, I blame their money system. I hated dealing with it when I lived there.
Originally posted by Miner-2049er Originally posted by Hyanmen
Eh, I guess you can argue that SE should have worked longer on the placeholders if you think the game is "unplayable" in it's current state. I don't share those sentiments. The game is completely playable with the keyboard, and the only thing holding you back is that you don't want to play the beta with only keyboard. It is up to your own perception. What's the point of inviting people into beta when the game is not ready? Yes, I wonder. And no, I am not defending the control scheme. I am simply saying the game is playable as is, which is what matters; not that they're up to your own standards any sooner than in retail. Your personal enjoyment is not a part of this Beta, Commercial betas are for that kind of *cough testing *cough
I'd love to know if you're planning to play the game. Your posts seem consistently honest, realistic and an informative as they can be without clearly breaking the NDA.
Man I can't tell if you're being serious or calling the other guy out for being a fanboy.
Usually I have a better sarcasm detector than that, but you sir are most excellent.
Originally posted by birdycephon Originally posted by xcalibur
Originally posted by Etra
Originally posted by theinhibitor
Originally posted by matf91
Heres the thing Final Fantasy Fan Base is huge! Even if this mmo is fail it will be 2 million + easily playing it and because of there track record im guessing it will be a very good MMO. See you guys in game!
Eh? So basically ur assuming that all people who like final fantasy will like the MMO? i completely disagree. most of my friends who played final fantasy from the beginning wouldnt touch the mmo since they just dont like mmo's in general. also a lot of ff fans hated XI. though it got great initial reaction (which is probably based on the fact that people love ff) it didnt do so hotly after a year where SE saw a big % of the players drop from 500,000 to about 300,000. people keep boasting how it was on the top 6 most played games on xBox live but that really isnt anything to brag about since the other games in the top 6 (halo, etc) had more like 2 - 3 million. ...Because a year later WoW was released and already started deterioriting the playerbase of other MMOs. Either way, 500k subs is quite good for an MMO. I have no idea why people think it's terrible. In the post-WoW world, people think that anything that doesn't crap gold nuggets is garbage...and they're stupid. You mean like WAR and STO, and SWG?
SWG was released about a year before WoW actually.
Heres the thing Final Fantasy Fan Base is huge! Even if this mmo is fail it will be 2 million + easily playing it and because of there track record im guessing it will be a very good MMO.
See you guys in game!
Eh? So basically ur assuming that all people who like final fantasy will like the MMO? i completely disagree. most of my friends who played final fantasy from the beginning wouldnt touch the mmo since they just dont like mmo's in general.
also a lot of ff fans hated XI. though it got great initial reaction (which is probably based on the fact that people love ff) it didnt do so hotly after a year where SE saw a big % of the players drop from 500,000 to about 300,000. people keep boasting how it was on the top 6 most played games on xBox live but that really isnt anything to brag about since the other games in the top 6 (halo, etc) had more like 2 - 3 million.
...Because a year later WoW was released and already started deterioriting the playerbase of other MMOs.
Either way, 500k subs is quite good for an MMO. I have no idea why people think it's terrible.
Most likely because its not 500k. It currently sits at around 350k, which on face value doesn't seem bad until you realise where the majority of the playerbase resides (i.e. Asia). For a MMO for that region, it is not comparable in numbers to their truely successful MMOs. In the west its been a failure.
...No. FFXI's sub numbers have balanced out to 500k since about 2007 and fluctuated around there. The playerbase is spread out evenly across the world, as well, with a little weight given towards Japan.
MMOs do not do well in Japan at all (I could give a background lecture, but I need to get to bed.) FFXI was able to break through that and still hold its current subscription base well into North American and Euro release -- and even to today.
Also, please don't lump together Asia and Japan. You can't compare a Japanese MMO with that of South Korean and Chinese games, where the Japanese MMO isn't even supported. All very different cultures when it comes to online games, with Japan veering away most of the time (but they're slowly coming around.) Personally, I blame their money system. I hated dealing with it when I lived there.
I was going to post something but this last quote pretty much sums it up nicely. I really hate it when people say oh it only had 500k but that's mostly Asia. Just to clarify those sub numbers are coming from Japan for that part of the world like the other poster said, and they pay a monthly fee just like us. So the numbers are totally valid. It's not like a Korean/Chineses MMO where they pay by the hour instead of monthly.
Heres the thing Final Fantasy Fan Base is huge! Even if this mmo is fail it will be 2 million + easily playing it and because of there track record im guessing it will be a very good MMO.
See you guys in game!
Eh? So basically ur assuming that all people who like final fantasy will like the MMO? i completely disagree. most of my friends who played final fantasy from the beginning wouldnt touch the mmo since they just dont like mmo's in general.
also a lot of ff fans hated XI. though it got great initial reaction (which is probably based on the fact that people love ff) it didnt do so hotly after a year where SE saw a big % of the players drop from 500,000 to about 300,000. people keep boasting how it was on the top 6 most played games on xBox live but that really isnt anything to brag about since the other games in the top 6 (halo, etc) had more like 2 - 3 million.
...Because a year later WoW was released and already started deterioriting the playerbase of other MMOs.
Either way, 500k subs is quite good for an MMO. I have no idea why people think it's terrible.
In the post-WoW world, people think that anything that doesn't crap gold nuggets is garbage...and they're stupid.
You mean like WAR and STO, and SWG?
SWG was released about a year before WoW actually.
Heres the thing Final Fantasy Fan Base is huge! Even if this mmo is fail it will be 2 million + easily playing it and because of there track record im guessing it will be a very good MMO.
See you guys in game!
Eh? So basically ur assuming that all people who like final fantasy will like the MMO? i completely disagree. most of my friends who played final fantasy from the beginning wouldnt touch the mmo since they just dont like mmo's in general.
also a lot of ff fans hated XI. though it got great initial reaction (which is probably based on the fact that people love ff) it didnt do so hotly after a year where SE saw a big % of the players drop from 500,000 to about 300,000. people keep boasting how it was on the top 6 most played games on xBox live but that really isnt anything to brag about since the other games in the top 6 (halo, etc) had more like 2 - 3 million.
...Because a year later WoW was released and already started deterioriting the playerbase of other MMOs.
Either way, 500k subs is quite good for an MMO. I have no idea why people think it's terrible.
In the post-WoW world, people think that anything that doesn't crap gold nuggets is garbage...and they're stupid.
You mean like WAR and STO, and SWG?
SWG was released about a year before WoW actually.
Yeah, but it was changed for the worse.
I have come to realize that for better or worse SWG will be the best MMO ever. Only for the fact so many QQ about it.
Think about it like this, when has any mmo lived up to its hype?
None!
When will we have that perfect MMO?
Never!
Should we settle for a MMO that closely suites what we want?
Yes because we will never get what each of us want!
Originally posted by Etra Originally posted by grapevine
Originally posted by Etra
Originally posted by theinhibitor
Originally posted by matf91
Heres the thing Final Fantasy Fan Base is huge! Even if this mmo is fail it will be 2 million + easily playing it and because of there track record im guessing it will be a very good MMO. See you guys in game!
Eh? So basically ur assuming that all people who like final fantasy will like the MMO? i completely disagree. most of my friends who played final fantasy from the beginning wouldnt touch the mmo since they just dont like mmo's in general. also a lot of ff fans hated XI. though it got great initial reaction (which is probably based on the fact that people love ff) it didnt do so hotly after a year where SE saw a big % of the players drop from 500,000 to about 300,000. people keep boasting how it was on the top 6 most played games on xBox live but that really isnt anything to brag about since the other games in the top 6 (halo, etc) had more like 2 - 3 million. ...Because a year later WoW was released and already started deterioriting the playerbase of other MMOs. Either way, 500k subs is quite good for an MMO. I have no idea why people think it's terrible. Most likely because its not 500k. It currently sits at around 350k, which on face value doesn't seem bad until you realise where the majority of the playerbase resides (i.e. Asia). For a MMO for that region, it is not comparable in numbers to their truely successful MMOs. In the west its been a failure. ...No. FFXI's sub numbers have balanced out to 500k since about 2007 and fluctuated around there. The playerbase is spread out evenly across the world, as well, with a little weight given towards Japan. MMOs do not do well in Japan at all (I could give a background lecture, but I need to get to bed.) FFXI was able to break through that and still hold its current subscription base well into North American and Euro release -- and even to today. Also, please don't lump together Asia and Japan. You can't compare a Japanese MMO with that of South Korean and Chinese games, where the Japanese MMO isn't even supported. All very different cultures when it comes to online games, with Japan veering away most of the time (but they're slowly coming around.) Personally, I blame their money system. I hated dealing with it when I lived there.
I'm not saying I disagree with you but would you happen to have some links. I'd personally enjoy the reading. Thanks.
No one reads any more. I've no idea where people get the idea that I played or am reffering to WoW. I played FInal Fantasy XI for the past 5 years, not WoW. Geeze. The old "Go back to WoW" stuff is a clear sign that you, and many others aren't actually reading my responses and have yet to provide any kind of intellegent amendment to the thread. So far it's just a bunch of people tellimg me how stupid I am ort go back to WoW.
It's really a complete waste of time to post anything along those lines, for your judgements on me as a person don't phase me. And for god sakes, I absolutely hate WoW and never played it. Get over the easy responses - just because I have issues with Final Fantasy XIV doesn't mean I'm a WoW player. I'm a concerned FFXI player.
Why are you concerned? SE already said, pretty damn clearly, that they want XI and XIV to run side by side. While they do wish for XI players to transition into XIV, they will keep supporting XI if the fans ask for it. I can tell you right now the more avid XI players will not touch XIV. XI has held steady for years now, even with all the different MMO titles to have been released. XIV won't change that. Why? It's simple really. It's. Not. XI.
And I just read the beta 3 notes and what they have planned....and I'm excited to the extreme again. New classes? Hell yeah. Auto matic toggling between passive and active mode depending on your target? Woot. Linkshells? Macros? Hot diggidity. But the one I'm most excited about? And what was the first thing they said? SIGNIFICANT adjustments to the mouse control. HELL YEAH.
edit: the menu he has from 14 is outdated, the new 1 is way better.
Wow clone , jk
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Heres the thing Final Fantasy Fan Base is huge! Even if this mmo is fail it will be 2 million + easily playing it and because of there track record im guessing it will be a very good MMO.
See you guys in game!
Eh? So basically ur assuming that all people who like final fantasy will like the MMO? i completely disagree. most of my friends who played final fantasy from the beginning wouldnt touch the mmo since they just dont like mmo's in general.
also a lot of ff fans hated XI. though it got great initial reaction (which is probably based on the fact that people love ff) it didnt do so hotly after a year where SE saw a big % of the players drop from 500,000 to about 300,000. people keep boasting how it was on the top 6 most played games on xBox live but that really isnt anything to brag about since the other games in the top 6 (halo, etc) had more like 2 - 3 million.
...Because a year later WoW was released and already started deterioriting the playerbase of other MMOs.
Either way, 500k subs is quite good for an MMO. I have no idea why people think it's terrible.
Most likely because its not 500k. It currently sits at around 350k, which on face value doesn't seem bad until you realise where the majority of the playerbase resides (i.e. Asia). For a MMO for that region, it is not comparable in numbers to their truely successful MMOs. In the west its been a failure.
A MMO holding ~500k active players 7+ years after its launch is *quite* significant. The fact that it remained the 4th most populated P2P MMO on the market up to 7 years after its launch is quite significant.
Considering its competition from around the same time period have long since dropped well down into the 150k range, or lower, it's quite significant.
Considering many new MMOs to release since - particularly post-WoW - have all leveled off at 250-300k players after only their first few months on the scene - some being shut down altogether a year or less after their launch - it's very significant.
Consider a number of fairly recent MMOs (within the last year or two) whose success has been less than stellar. I'd wager anyone who follows the MMO scene even casually could throw a stone and hit at least two or three. I would bet real money that any one of those developers would *love* to be able to say they have a half million active players after seven *months* in service, nevermind seven years.
How many MMOs can you count that came out around the same time/generation as FFXI, are still being actively updated, still have active communities and are only now showing any signs of slowing, after 8 years? There aren't very many that can make such a claim.
No one could call FFXI a "giant among MMOs", certainly not with WoW in the picture (but then again, neither could many other MMOs in that case). But it is certainly a rare example of an "old-school" MMO that has withstood the test of time and keeps marching along. This is despite all the various reasons people give for why they *don't* play it (outdated graphics, unintuitive interface (at first), etc. etc).
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
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I think your attitude might play a part in why people react the way they do to your posts... your verbage can hardly be consided constructive criticism.
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good let me use your account untill then
Threads like this amuse me.. You get a bunch of emo rage haters, who apparantly believe that their little "this game needs this or it will fail" type threads actually make a difference..
Just cause XIV doesn't appeal to you, doesn't mean it's going to fail. Period, no argument there.
Just because nobody is making MMO's that you like, doesn't mean SE is going to change stuff just to get people from that market either. They are marketting to three groups.. Die hard FF players, FFXI players, and people who might have stuck with XI had it been more casual friendly.
If you don't like it, well, you can always wait for the next game to come out, and try your little whine and cry like a baby tactics and see how far it gets you..
I will just chime in occasionally and remind you of the definition of insanity.
"If I'd asked my customers what they wanted, they'd have said a faster horse." - Henry Ford
Heres the thing Final Fantasy Fan Base is huge! Even if this mmo is fail it will be 2 million + easily playing it and because of there track record im guessing it will be a very good MMO.
See you guys in game!
I agree that it's not going to have any where near WoW's numbers and that Wada saying it will challenge the throne is outright rediculous. But it doesn't change the fact that you're just a troll either.
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Eh? So basically ur assuming that all people who like final fantasy will like the MMO? i completely disagree. most of my friends who played final fantasy from the beginning wouldnt touch the mmo since they just dont like mmo's in general.
also a lot of ff fans hated XI. though it got great initial reaction (which is probably based on the fact that people love ff) it didnt do so hotly after a year where SE saw a big % of the players drop from 500,000 to about 300,000. people keep boasting how it was on the top 6 most played games on xBox live but that really isnt anything to brag about since the other games in the top 6 (halo, etc) had more like 2 - 3 million.
/theinhibitor/
Talking about the subscription numbers is kind of pointless. It will probably be in the 300k-500k range. It will turn a proffit (making it a success as far as buisness is concerned) and it's subcribers will enjoy it. Anyone that says it is a failure because of this is ignorent to how the real world and gaming industry works.
My theme song.
...Because a year later WoW was released and already started deterioriting the playerbase of other MMOs.
Either way, 500k subs is quite good for an MMO. I have no idea why people think it's terrible.
Eh? So basically ur assuming that all people who like final fantasy will like the MMO? i completely disagree. most of my friends who played final fantasy from the beginning wouldnt touch the mmo since they just dont like mmo's in general.
also a lot of ff fans hated XI. though it got great initial reaction (which is probably based on the fact that people love ff) it didnt do so hotly after a year where SE saw a big % of the players drop from 500,000 to about 300,000. people keep boasting how it was on the top 6 most played games on xBox live but that really isnt anything to brag about since the other games in the top 6 (halo, etc) had more like 2 - 3 million.
...Because a year later WoW was released and already started deterioriting the playerbase of other MMOs.
Either way, 500k subs is quite good for an MMO. I have no idea why people think it's terrible.
In the post-WoW world, people think that anything that doesn't crap gold nuggets is garbage...and they're stupid.You mean like WAR and STO, and SWG?
I was suprised when I heard how many subs FFXI had like 6 years after release. I am confident FFXIV will at least match it after seeing where they are at in beta and what they intend to do before release.
I remember when FFXI came out, I thought it looked kind of crappy(even for it's time) and played like utter garbage (personaly opinion that I know was shared by tons of others), yet they still maintained decent subs constantly over the next 10 years.
On the contrary, FFXIV looks amazing, plays way better then I thought it would and has the ability to reach a much larger audience instead of only the hardcore group types. I just hope they don't make it too easy or leave grouping as useless as it is now.
This guy takes it to another lv,
http://ashen-moogle.livejournal.com/916.html
ok, go on.
edit: the menu he has from 14 is outdated, the new 1 is way better.
Cool. Looking forward to more info.
Oh, I include devs/studios in that as well. Most everyone now is shooting for that WoW level of success instead of focusing on just making a good game that is profitable. I mean, Sony tried to make SWG more popular and ended up alienating it's base and lowering subs.
Most likely because its not 500k. It currently sits at around 350k, which on face value doesn't seem bad until you realise where the majority of the playerbase resides (i.e. Asia). For a MMO for that region, it is not comparable in numbers to their truely successful MMOs. In the west its been a failure.
...No. FFXI's sub numbers have balanced out to 500k since about 2007 and fluctuated around there. The playerbase is spread out evenly across the world, as well, with a little weight given towards Japan.
MMOs do not do well in Japan at all (I could give a background lecture, but I need to get to bed.) FFXI was able to break through that and still hold its current subscription base well into North American and Euro release -- and even to today.
Also, please don't lump together Asia and Japan. You can't compare a Japanese MMO with that of South Korean and Chinese games, where the Japanese MMO isn't even supported. All very different cultures when it comes to online games, with Japan veering away most of the time (but they're slowly coming around.) Personally, I blame their money system. I hated dealing with it when I lived there.
Man I can't tell if you're being serious or calling the other guy out for being a fanboy.
Usually I have a better sarcasm detector than that, but you sir are most excellent.
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also a lot of ff fans hated XI. though it got great initial reaction (which is probably based on the fact that people love ff) it didnt do so hotly after a year where SE saw a big % of the players drop from 500,000 to about 300,000. people keep boasting how it was on the top 6 most played games on xBox live but that really isnt anything to brag about since the other games in the top 6 (halo, etc) had more like 2 - 3 million.
...Because a year later WoW was released and already started deterioriting the playerbase of other MMOs.
Either way, 500k subs is quite good for an MMO. I have no idea why people think it's terrible.
In the post-WoW world, people think that anything that doesn't crap gold nuggets is garbage...and they're stupid.
You mean like WAR and STO, and SWG?
SWG was released about a year before WoW actually.
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I was going to post something but this last quote pretty much sums it up nicely. I really hate it when people say oh it only had 500k but that's mostly Asia. Just to clarify those sub numbers are coming from Japan for that part of the world like the other poster said, and they pay a monthly fee just like us. So the numbers are totally valid. It's not like a Korean/Chineses MMO where they pay by the hour instead of monthly.
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Yeah, but it was changed for the worse.
I have come to realize that for better or worse SWG will be the best MMO ever. Only for the fact so many QQ about it.
Think about it like this, when has any mmo lived up to its hype?
None!
When will we have that perfect MMO?
Never!
Should we settle for a MMO that closely suites what we want?
Yes because we will never get what each of us want!
also a lot of ff fans hated XI. though it got great initial reaction (which is probably based on the fact that people love ff) it didnt do so hotly after a year where SE saw a big % of the players drop from 500,000 to about 300,000. people keep boasting how it was on the top 6 most played games on xBox live but that really isnt anything to brag about since the other games in the top 6 (halo, etc) had more like 2 - 3 million.
...Because a year later WoW was released and already started deterioriting the playerbase of other MMOs.
Either way, 500k subs is quite good for an MMO. I have no idea why people think it's terrible.
Most likely because its not 500k. It currently sits at around 350k, which on face value doesn't seem bad until you realise where the majority of the playerbase resides (i.e. Asia). For a MMO for that region, it is not comparable in numbers to their truely successful MMOs. In the west its been a failure.
...No. FFXI's sub numbers have balanced out to 500k since about 2007 and fluctuated around there. The playerbase is spread out evenly across the world, as well, with a little weight given towards Japan.
MMOs do not do well in Japan at all (I could give a background lecture, but I need to get to bed.) FFXI was able to break through that and still hold its current subscription base well into North American and Euro release -- and even to today.
Also, please don't lump together Asia and Japan. You can't compare a Japanese MMO with that of South Korean and Chinese games, where the Japanese MMO isn't even supported. All very different cultures when it comes to online games, with Japan veering away most of the time (but they're slowly coming around.) Personally, I blame their money system. I hated dealing with it when I lived there.
I'm not saying I disagree with you but would you happen to have some links. I'd personally enjoy the reading. Thanks.
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Why are you concerned? SE already said, pretty damn clearly, that they want XI and XIV to run side by side. While they do wish for XI players to transition into XIV, they will keep supporting XI if the fans ask for it. I can tell you right now the more avid XI players will not touch XIV. XI has held steady for years now, even with all the different MMO titles to have been released. XIV won't change that. Why? It's simple really. It's. Not. XI.
And I just read the beta 3 notes and what they have planned....and I'm excited to the extreme again. New classes? Hell yeah. Auto matic toggling between passive and active mode depending on your target? Woot. Linkshells? Macros? Hot diggidity. But the one I'm most excited about? And what was the first thing they said? SIGNIFICANT adjustments to the mouse control. HELL YEAH.
Wow clone , jk
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A MMO holding ~500k active players 7+ years after its launch is *quite* significant. The fact that it remained the 4th most populated P2P MMO on the market up to 7 years after its launch is quite significant.
Considering its competition from around the same time period have long since dropped well down into the 150k range, or lower, it's quite significant.
Considering many new MMOs to release since - particularly post-WoW - have all leveled off at 250-300k players after only their first few months on the scene - some being shut down altogether a year or less after their launch - it's very significant.
Consider a number of fairly recent MMOs (within the last year or two) whose success has been less than stellar. I'd wager anyone who follows the MMO scene even casually could throw a stone and hit at least two or three. I would bet real money that any one of those developers would *love* to be able to say they have a half million active players after seven *months* in service, nevermind seven years.
How many MMOs can you count that came out around the same time/generation as FFXI, are still being actively updated, still have active communities and are only now showing any signs of slowing, after 8 years? There aren't very many that can make such a claim.
No one could call FFXI a "giant among MMOs", certainly not with WoW in the picture (but then again, neither could many other MMOs in that case). But it is certainly a rare example of an "old-school" MMO that has withstood the test of time and keeps marching along. This is despite all the various reasons people give for why they *don't* play it (outdated graphics, unintuitive interface (at first), etc. etc).
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