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GW2 Overhyped?

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  • MMO.MaverickMMO.Maverick Member CommonPosts: 7,619

    Events are cyclical, can branch, can have various outcomes resulting in different follow ups.

     

    For people that are interested, here's a page of the GW2 blog with interesting info about it:  GW2 dynamic event Q&A

     

    Some quotes from it:

    "Dynamic event chains can reset. As chains, they move along paths based on player participation and event outcome."

     

    "Many of the events in the game belong to large event chains that cycle in various directions based on the outcome of the events in the chain. Other events can be one-off events that can occur, change the world, and cycle back so some conditions must be met in the world to make the event start again. These event cycles vary dramatically on a case-by-case basis."

     

    "Each event has a clear-cut end point of reward distribution, in which event success or failure is determined and the players who participated are rewarded. The event will then branch based on the outcome and cascade out to change various parts of the world, kicking off other events in the zone."

    The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's

    The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
    Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."

  • SuperXero89SuperXero89 Member UncommonPosts: 2,551

    Originally posted by Zeroxin

    Originally posted by SuperXero89


    Originally posted by Zeroxin


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    If you are a GW fan then you would know how long people have been waiting to hear more about this game, then you know why we are hyped.

    It really doesn't matter "why" you're hyped.

    That comment makes little sense to me... please elaborate.



    Regardless of why you are hyped for something, overhyping a product is never a good thing and reeks of fanboism.

  • yukumoyukumo Member Posts: 86

    Originally posted by Sephastus

     Its not bringing anything new to the Genre and just seems to be a rehash of GW (just like FFXI is a rehash of FFXIV, yes I know, just pointing it out).

    Read a little and you will find out they are bringing plenty new to the table.. Rehash of GW? Maybe go back and play guild wars for a little while and come back and watch a video on this game you will see the difference

  • SeffrenSeffren Member Posts: 743

    "I am not fond of PvP games, and I am also fond of FFXIV..."

     

    I should have stopped reading right there... but I didn't.

    Bad mistake coz the rest of your post was predictable after all.

    Let me just give an answer like you FF fans allways do to the rest of the player base when it comes to your game ... This game is not for you, move along.

    Just kidding ... we are much more forgiving then you ;)

    Now in regards to the hype ... who cares if it is over-hyped, under-hyped, left-hyped or right-hyped. It's the player that needs to make the decision at launch. We all have to decide for ourselves.

    But to be honest people, if you take all the threads about SWTOR, FFXIV and GW2 and run them through some sort of emotion meter, the result would show that the feeling towards GW2 is way more positive then towards the 2 others.

    This should show something. One really gets the feeling we're dealing with a company that knows what they're doing.

    Where everyone was excited when SWTOR would be developed, the more info is released about this game, the more people get disappointed. This could mean they don't live up to expectations, or we expected the wrong thing from the start.

    Anyhow, major difference here is Bioware does not have experience with MMO's while Arenanet does.

    Could this be the reason for the positive sentiment ... the previous experience of Arenanet?

    Everytime you see a movie for GW2 you can see dev'ers talking about how they wanted to do something different, better because it has allready been done this or that way. How they want to take things to the next level .... experience is oozing from the screen when you see them talk. With SWTOR it's like, hmmm I allready saw that ...

  • NightAngellNightAngell Member Posts: 566

    Ah, it's starting to happen.

    Here we have the followers of the two main rivals to Guild Wars coming here and asking if GW2 is over-hyped, it's predictable. They obviously know nothing about ArenaNet or GW1 because if they did they would understand that GW2 is an update to GW1.

    GW1 has the best story driven content of any mmorpg to date, it also has great classes and plenty of PVE,it wasn't just a PVP game.

    GW2 will have vast amounts of PVE, hell just the underwater content stretches across the entire world with cities and zones that are vast.

    ArenaNet don't have to prove anything, people who played GW1 already know how they work. After all, how many mmorpg other than WOW can say they sold over six million units, not many if any at all.

    Now for the over-hyped bit, no GW2 is not over-hyped at all.#

    The proof is in the numbers.

    SWTOR Forum numbers- Threads 1463- Post 41693

    FFXIV Forum Numbers - Threads 857 - Posts 21261

    GW2 Forum Numbers - Threads 361 - Posts 7080

    So you see,even though GW2 has been number one for four months it still has the least Posts/ Threads of these three games, over-hyped, i don't think so .

    Most of us followers do are talking over here ----------------------------------> http://www.guildwars2guru.com/

  • SuperXero89SuperXero89 Member UncommonPosts: 2,551

    Originally posted by NightAngell

    Ah, it's starting to happen.

    Here we have the followers of the two main rivals to Guild Wars coming here and asking if GW2 is over-hyped, it's predictable. They obviously know nothing about ArenaNet or GW1 because if they did they would understand that GW2 is an update to GW1.

    GW1 has the best story driven content of any mmorpg to date, it also has great classes and plenty of PVE,it wasn't just a PVP game.

    GW2 will have vast amounts of PVE, hell just the underwater content stretches across the entire world with cities and zones that are vast.

    ArenaNet don't have to prove anything, people who played GW1 already know how they work. After all, how many mmorpg other than WOW can say they sold over six million units, not many if any at all.

    Now for the over-hyped bit, no GW2 is not over-hyped at all.#

    The proof is in the numbers.

    SWTOR Forum numbers- Threads 1463- Post 41693

    FFXIV Forum Numbers - Threads 857 - Posts 21261

    GW2 Forum Numbers - Threads 361 - Posts 7080

    So you see,even though GW2 has been number one for four months it still has the least Posts/ Threads of these three games, over-hyped, i don't think so .

    Most of us followers do are talking over here ----------------------------------> http://www.guildwars2guru.com/

    Lets take a look at the SW:TOR forums...

    Negative threads on the first page:

    Serious question: is it possible that this game could actually fail?

    Has SWTOR serious issues? (mature discussion pls)

    The last stroke? Space is on rails

    Man the combat looks like crap.

    Bioware. Whatever happened to: You buy the game, you pay the monthly fee, you have full acces, HAVE FUN?

    Once you do one "story" you can do another, by rolling an alt! Really?

    Total Negative Threads: 6

    Total Non-sticky Threads: 10

     

    Lets take a look at the GW forums...

    Negative threads on the first page:

    GW2 Overhyped?

    Total negative Threads: 1

    Total Non-sticky Threads: 15

    Unless you consider constant hate to be a certain form of hype, it's tough to say that GW is getting less hype than a game like SW:ToR. The number of forum posts really mean nothing when compared with the content of each post, and even then, you're only able to gage a specific community's hype for a certain game.  Seeing that I'm posting on mmorpg.com, all I really care about right now is mmorpg.com. 

  • NiakadNiakad Member Posts: 36


     GW2 Overhyped?

    No. People are.

    A marketer may say "we have a perfect kettle that was made just for you" (hey! it's his job).

    In plain English it would be like "well, I do hope that this mass-produced kettle is slightly better than the rest".

    So, it just depends on one's fancy-talk filters in the end.

  • ZeroxinZeroxin Member UncommonPosts: 2,515

    Originally posted by SuperXero89

    Originally posted by Zeroxin


    Originally posted by SuperXero89


    Originally posted by Zeroxin


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    If you are a GW fan then you would know how long people have been waiting to hear more about this game, then you know why we are hyped.

    It really doesn't matter "why" you're hyped.

    That comment makes little sense to me... please elaborate.



    Regardless of why you are hyped for something, overhyping a product is never a good thing and reeks of fanboism.

    I still don't understand where you are coming from, my point of view is absense makes the heart grow fonder and when the absense is removed, the fondness is completely and entirely put forth and in this case in the form of overhype. How can you say it doesn't matter why people are hyped/overhyping? The game is going to be playable next week, and then at PAX! Why the heck won't people be excited?

    This is not a game.

  • GTwanderGTwander Member UncommonPosts: 6,035

    I just wanted to add that overhyping a game that will consist off of box sales alone is smart. It's not like they have to actually retain players once they get all the money they expect to get out of them.

    That is all.

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  • SuperXero89SuperXero89 Member UncommonPosts: 2,551

    Originally posted by Zeroxin

    Originally posted by SuperXero89


    Originally posted by Zeroxin


    Originally posted by SuperXero89


    Originally posted by Zeroxin


    ...

    If you are a GW fan then you would know how long people have been waiting to hear more about this game, then you know why we are hyped.

    It really doesn't matter "why" you're hyped.

    That comment makes little sense to me... please elaborate.



    Regardless of why you are hyped for something, overhyping a product is never a good thing and reeks of fanboism.

    I still don't understand where you are coming from, my point of view is absense makes the heart grow fonder and when the absense is removed, the fondness is completely and entirely put forth and in this case in the form of overhype. How can you say it doesn't matter why people are hyped/overhyping? The game is going to be playable next week, and then at PAX! Why the heck won't people be excited?

    Why are you still trying to explain to me why people are excited (not like people haven't been fawning over this game for months) when I've already told you that overhyping is bad...period?

  • ZeroxinZeroxin Member UncommonPosts: 2,515

    Originally posted by SuperXero89

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    Why are you still trying to explain to me why people are excited (not like people haven't been fawning over this game for months) when I've already told you that overhyping is bad...period?

    All I'm trying to say is; the hype is justified. It will die down a few weeks after PAX and Gamescom.

    This is not a game.

  • twruletwrule Member Posts: 1,251

    Originally posted by GTwander

    I just wanted to add that overhyping a game that will consist off of box sales alone is smart. It's not like they have to actually retain players once they get all the money they expect to get out of them.

    That is all.

    ...Except it would still be smarter to deliver on your promises because after launch word of mouth spreads that the game is as good as they say and they continue to sell more boxes.

    But on topic - this last trailer is clearly a bit sensationalized (but that's what trailers are for really).  Developer lines like "this is your game" and the game designer spazing out a bit while giving his "swinging the sword" shpeel are meant solely to whip you into a frenzy of hype.

    However, I believe that extra showiness they add, while expected, isn't really needed considering that the game can fall back on it's own merits from what we've seen.  The vast majority of the hype that's built up prior to today was honest excitement from people about the hard mechanics, most of which we've already seen clearly demonstrated.

  • twruletwrule Member Posts: 1,251

    Originally posted by SuperXero89

    Why are you still trying to explain to me why people are excited (not like people haven't been fawning over this game for months) when I've already told you that overhyping is bad...period?

    I don't really see how it's as harmful as you say.  If you were a game designer that devoted years of your life to what you probably consider your masterpiece, and then finally the time comes to unveil it to the world - yeah, you'd be pretty excited about it.

    Obviously, lying and purposely misleading people about what features your game does and does not have is a different story - but barring that, what's so bad about getting people hyped to play your game?

  • SuperXero89SuperXero89 Member UncommonPosts: 2,551

    Originally posted by twrule

    Originally posted by SuperXero89

    Why are you still trying to explain to me why people are excited (not like people haven't been fawning over this game for months) when I've already told you that overhyping is bad...period?

    I don't really see how it's as harmful as you say.  If you were a game designer that devoted years of your life to what you probably consider your masterpiece, and then finally the time comes to unveil it to the world - yeah, you'd be pretty excited about it.

    Obviously, lying and purposely misleading people about what features your game does and does not have is a different story - but barring that, what's so bad about getting people hyped to play your game?

    Of course the developers are going to say their game is great, but they're not who I'm talking about. The real hype comes from word of mouth -- from the mouths of the fans who believe everything that any said company puts in front of their faces. It's those guys that get so excited for a game by creating their own hype who are always let down when the game is released because it fails to satisfy their impossible to meet expectations.

    In short...

    When you, the fan, overhype a game, you are not only an annoyance to the people around you, but you're almots dooming yourself to disappointment.

  • ZeroxinZeroxin Member UncommonPosts: 2,515

    Originally posted by SuperXero89

    Originally posted by twrule


    Originally posted by SuperXero89

    Why are you still trying to explain to me why people are excited (not like people haven't been fawning over this game for months) when I've already told you that overhyping is bad...period?

    I don't really see how it's as harmful as you say.  If you were a game designer that devoted years of your life to what you probably consider your masterpiece, and then finally the time comes to unveil it to the world - yeah, you'd be pretty excited about it.

    Obviously, lying and purposely misleading people about what features your game does and does not have is a different story - but barring that, what's so bad about getting people hyped to play your game?

    Of course the developers are going to say their game is great, but they're not who I'm talking about. The real hype comes from word of mouth -- from the mouths of the fans who believe everything that any said company puts in front of their faces. It's those guys that get so excited for a game by creating their own hype who are always let down when the game is released because it fails to satisfy their impossible to meet expectations.

    In short...

    When you, the fan, overhype a game, you are not only an annoyance to the people around you, but you're almots dooming yourself to disappointment.

    Now, the real "fans" of GW2 would have read all the articles and understood them and their expectations will be based on what has been said there but the people you are worried about are the people who haven't read any articles but just watched the new trailer and have gone "BEST GAME EVER!!" and in that case you are justified in feeling the way you do. We just have to try and educate those people and make sure they check out the info before they get their pants in a twist.

    This is not a game.

  • ErstokErstok Member Posts: 523

    Nearly all new games these days are overhyped. Look in the real fact. Either be like the original Guild Wars or honestly just be a twist on the original copy. Only differences between the old and new will be a few new features, new areas, and a few new classes, skills, and races. Beyond that pretty much have the same core setup and concept.

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    When did you start playing "old school" MMO's. World Of Warcraft?

  • twruletwrule Member Posts: 1,251

    Originally posted by SuperXero89

    Originally posted by twrule


    Originally posted by SuperXero89

    Why are you still trying to explain to me why people are excited (not like people haven't been fawning over this game for months) when I've already told you that overhyping is bad...period?

    I don't really see how it's as harmful as you say.  If you were a game designer that devoted years of your life to what you probably consider your masterpiece, and then finally the time comes to unveil it to the world - yeah, you'd be pretty excited about it.

    Obviously, lying and purposely misleading people about what features your game does and does not have is a different story - but barring that, what's so bad about getting people hyped to play your game?

    Of course the developers are going to say their game is great, but they're not who I'm talking about. The real hype comes from word of mouth -- from the mouths of the fans who believe everything that any said company puts in front of their faces. It's those guys that get so excited for a game by creating their own hype who are always let down when the game is released because it fails to satisfy their impossible to meet expectations.

    Okay, I see where you're coming from.  I agree it's definitely not a good thing to make unwarranted assumptions - that goes for anything really.  Of course, it's not specifically the excitement or the fan hyping that's at fault as much as believing the hype without questioning and doing one's own research to confirm.  That's just poor critical thinking.

    For example, I (someone who has no authority to share new information on the game) might be so excited about GW2 that I say something ridiculous like holding the retail game box will cure cancer.  I may not really believe that myself, but if someone else who hears it and doesn't think critically believes it - that's their own fault ultimately.  I'm not endorsing people who go around spreading lies and rumors, but sometimes things are just misinterpreted, or could easily be worked out with proper logical judgement.

  • jondifooljondifool Member UncommonPosts: 1,143

    Originally posted by SuperXero89

    Why are you still trying to explain to me why people are excited (not like people haven't been fawning over this game for months) when I've already told you that overhyping is bad...period?

    Maybe this goes on because you havent yet make a convincing case for that GW2 is overhyped. Yep it's hyped, sure it is. But overhyped? Why should it be that?  It is not an argument to say overhyping is bad...  isn't it a premise for the word overhype.

    Actual if fans don't try to eksplain why people are excited, that would be a sign off overhype. And fanboism.

    So if you want to claim that something is overhyped, don't be oppset about people trying to explain.

    .....

    My confidence in the hype , comes from the fact that arenanet have yet to dissapoint me. Not that i agree with all their design choices, but so far in GW1 their execution have been the best i have seen any compagny deliver.

    second Arenanet try to just talk about whats in the game, not about what they plan to put in later. This is an very important thing for me in trusting their hype, as this allow them to correckt fans when they clearly interprent things wrong and ekspectations goes in a wrong direction. And they do that alot.

    .....

    do fans then reallly turn that hype into overhype?

    So far i think there is alot more cases of underhype , where people have ditch it while being misinformed, ignorant or just jumping to negative conclussions on wrong premise.

    But this might be about to change. the forums everywhere have been insanly active lately.  The big dedicated GW2 fansites, they are quite sober so far, but they might not be able to keep with the influx of raving fans for long.

      

  • TheCoonTheCoon Member UncommonPosts: 41

    I really don't understand why some of you are so concerned about the hype a game is getting. Is it jealousy? Is the game you're following not getting as much attention?

    Personally, I am looking forward to this game. My reasons are really simple.

    First, I played Guild Wars and I enjoyed it. So, ofcourse I'm looking forward to the sequel.

    Second, the game looks really good so far. I don't think anyone can argue that.

    Finally and most important (for me anyhow) is the buy to play system that helped make the original so successful.

    I truly believe the subscriptionless system is what sets this game apart from the others and because of this I'm sure the game will be around for a long time to come. There are a lot of really good quality games coming out, but the reality is they won't all make it. Let's face it, the mmo market is overcrowded and more and more games are dying all the time.

    The only thing I can think of that would cause me to lose interest would be the introduction of a cash shop.

  • kaltoumkaltoum Member Posts: 304

    I don't know if it is overhyped or not but it deserves all the attention it is getting.

    90% of haters are begging for love. 10% just want a little attention -- Paulo Coelho

  • Luthor_XLuthor_X Member Posts: 431

    One word... Warhammer

     

    nuff said

  • jondifooljondifool Member UncommonPosts: 1,143

    Originally posted by Luthor_X

    One word... Warhammer

     

    nuff said

     not nuff said! Fair to warn about , but  also important to mention is that

    Mythic was notorius for talking about things not yet in the game! And that created a massive speculation hype, that was not grounded in the game. And their reputation for delivery with DAOC and now Warhammer is not anywhere near Arenanets with GW1. So the hype simply have more credit.

  • ZeroxinZeroxin Member UncommonPosts: 2,515
    Originally posted by TheCoon

    I really don't understand why some of you are so concerned about the hype a game is getting. Is it jealousy? Is the game you're following not getting as much attention?
    Personally, I am looking forward to this game. My reasons are really simple.
    First, I played Guild Wars and I enjoyed it. So, ofcourse I'm looking forward to the sequel.
    Second, the game looks really good so far. I don't think anyone can argue that.
    Finally and most important (for me anyhow) is the buy to play system that helped make the original so successful.
    I truly believe the subscriptionless system is what sets this game apart from the others and because of this I'm sure the game will be around for a long time to come. There are a lot of really good quality games coming out, but the reality is they won't all make it. Let's face it, the mmo market is overcrowded and more and more games are dying all the time.
    The only thing I can think of that would cause me to lose interest would be the introduction of a cash shop.

     

    GW1 had a cash shop, but nothing in it mqde you beter than the next guy.

    This is not a game.

  • 3DG.E3DG.E Member Posts: 28

    The hype is normal. If you think it's overhyped then when they release even more info you will be even more surprised. People just need to face it and accept what GW2 has, the devs don't talk about stuff that isn't in the game, they only talk about things that are in the game, there are no promises that they don't deliver with GW2. So if they say something is in the game, one way or another it is.

     

    Maybe it's just a shock to so many people and hard to believe because the MMO genre has been so stale over the past few months.

  • TheCoonTheCoon Member UncommonPosts: 41

    Originally posted by Zeroxin

    Originally posted by TheCoon

    I really don't understand why some of you are so concerned about the hype a game is getting. Is it jealousy? Is the game you're following not getting as much attention?

    Personally, I am looking forward to this game. My reasons are really simple.

    First, I played Guild Wars and I enjoyed it. So, ofcourse I'm looking forward to the sequel.

    Second, the game looks really good so far. I don't think anyone can argue that.

    Finally and most important (for me anyhow) is the buy to play system that helped make the original so successful.

    I truly believe the subscriptionless system is what sets this game apart from the others and because of this I'm sure the game will be around for a long time to come. There are a lot of really good quality games coming out, but the reality is they won't all make it. Let's face it, the mmo market is overcrowded and more and more games are dying all the time.

    The only thing I can think of that would cause me to lose interest would be the introduction of a cash shop.

     

    GW1 had a cash shop, but nothing in it mqde you beter than the next guy.

    Yes I know. I support character name changes, character appearance changes, costumes and what not. I really don't mind the skill unlocks either. I should've been more clear. What I really meant by "cash shop" is the selling of items and such that are unavailable ingame and give an advantage.

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