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Star Wars: The Old Republic: Space Combat Cont'd: On Rails Edition!
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Hehe, this title will be sutch a big disapointment to so many people.
Most simply do not realize that TOR will be a fairly linair game whit Biowares well known storydriven campain mode.
a verry casual friendly play for x weeks/months and leave game. a entertainment medium that in no way is designt to be any sort of simulation rpg be it ground or space. its meant to give you one thing. a good story driven game you can play co-op whit friends being like a movie you see once or twice.
lol there are to many people putting up walls of text. It's very simple everyone some people got to hype for the space combat, as for me they are doing it star fox style and thats fine by me i love star fox. the down side is that they are cutting and pasting the Clone Wars mmo space combat.
Just to warn you, since WAR I have kept a list with the names of people who said a game is going to fail. Welcome to my list. Would you also want to trash GW2, TERA, and RIFT while you're at it? I have a list for them too.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
He never said the game was going to fail. He said it would be a big disappointment to many. There is a major difference there. Fail means its going to get 100-250k subscribers just like all the other "overhyped" games have gotten.
This game won't fail, but it will be a big disappointment to many. What we know of the game now, I won't touch it. It literally looks like its going for WoW with lightsabres to me. Can that change? Most defiantely. Will it? I doubt it. EA wants a piece of WoW and what better IP and development team to take it on? I already imagine this game is going to get the highest initial box sales of an MMO by a fairly large amount I'd say it could easily double or triple Warhammers or Age of Conan's initial box sales.
Put me on your Tera is going to fail list.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
This better be a fricken' joke. "Joe on Rails" space content? Are you serious?
What are the devs thinking? How can they honestly think that is will be a success?
This is 100% terrible.
Wow...and I was looking forward to this game.
BYE O'WARE
Ok, understandable. But from what I have seen the only people who are disappointed are SWG vets and GW2 people, And when I say only, I mean the majority. About half my WoW,EQ 2, and a good 3/5 of my EvE guilds/Corbs are leaving for SWTOR and at least giving it a try and about half of said number say they will give GW2 a looksy.
All I know is that Star Fox and Star Fox 64 (roughly 8 million not including Command and Assault, which would bring it up to maybe 10 million at the most ) sold more copies total then Guild Wars and a lot of other. games.
I'll say this until people get it in there brain, Space Combat can be altered later on, say in an expansion, I for one am shocked that they added this.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
sigh. Once again the writers of MMORPG.com fail to ask the BIG question. Will there be cheese in SW TOR?
I've scoured all the interviews and press releases about this game and not once do they mention cheese.This leads me to the conclusion that there will be no cheese at all in Star Wars The Old Republic because the voice acting costs used up all the budget that could have better been spent on adding cheese. Cheese lovers should avoid this game at all costs. So should everyone else as MMORPGs without cheese involved are made of fail.
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i wasnt really all that impressed with the graphics in TOR anyway, but if they had managed to add a decent space combat sim in there, i would probably have bought the game, if this is really the limit of Biowares abilities, then it doesnt look good for the rest of the game either imo, even cryptic did better than this with the space portion of STO.. at least theirs was multiplayer online, not a single player on rails wackamole in space. hopefully the negative feedback will encourage them to revise their poor planning. I can imagine even the most rabid fanbois will be scratching their heads over how to put a positive spin on this one.
One guy who writes for the site is dissing it.
He obviously wanted something else. Tough luck.
What a moaner he is, roffle.
something else... how about something MORE.. its very close to being a gamebreaker, how many people do you think will revise their decisions to buy this game when it comes out, based on this?
SWG had players who only played the JTL part of the game, those types of players will take one look at TOR and laugh. its space combat for 8 year olds, no challenge, no interaction, no pvp, it might be right up your street though.
I totally agree. mmoguy, your words reflected exactly what I was thinking at the end of the onemmovet diahrrea burst.
No, JTL made more people pissed then happy, SOE failed to confront the actually part of the game, many felt that they where getting lazy on the ground portion of the game.
SWG did not have any space combat at launch. Maybe this is a place holder for future space combat.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
I'm afraid Sinjiin is right. While we don't have the numbers there are actually players still enjoying SWG only for the JTL part. You can see posts regularly form players stating that.
You might not remember but, at the time, most of the space sim fans were already disappointed SOE whent Origin way instead of using the well known anb beloved X-Wing series.
One thing is certain now, some of the non space sim fans are happy with the new and most the space sim fans are disappointed with BioWare decision.
I'm going to offer you a prediction: if space is indeed a single player rail shooter, people will enjoy it for free in Clone War Adventures.
What worries me for now is the utter lack of any kind of answer from BioWare fully knowing the forums and the fans are in turmoil.
I been playing SWG for the last 3 years and the main reason is for my love of space combat in JTL. The guild i am part of is JTL focused. The new updates for the pirate system is great also. I know that alot of folks don't care much for SWG but what they did with JTL has been the best example of space combat for a SW game.
Will I try space combat in TOR? Yes. Does this news of rail style game play disappoint me? No. I knew from the start that TOR would not produce anything better than JTL. Also in the first 2 games space combat was rail based and Bioware seems to think it worked out, so why would they try to clone JTL style space combat.
"Star Wars" STAR. WARS.
If you were around in 1977, you'd understand the importance of combat in space. The politics in the original trilogy was present, but had next to nothing to do with the story. It was just part of the background layering. Politics only came to the forefront with the second trilogy. Cool looking spaceships dogfighting amongst asteroids, stock light freighters doing attacks runs against Star Destroyers, and whipping down a mechanical trench at blinding speed, dodging cannon fire in front of you and enemy TIEs on your tail is what many of us think of when the words STAR WARS are used. Oh yeah, and light saber combat. A big 'oh yeah'.
Honestly, I had no intention of buying this game anyway since I felt strongly that no one would be able to do the job right. With this (ludicrous) announcement on the supposed flight mechanics, I feel even more confident in that decision. I mean, space combat on rails? Really? Gyruss for the new millenium? Sad.
I don't agree with that as I think Bioware will patch new content in frequently enough to keep their player base post-launch.In truth, I am nonplussed about this information.
Would a more dynamic space combat component be nice ? Yes.
Do I want them to sacrifice the quality or quantity of ground based gameplay/exploration/story in order to bring it to me ? No..
Now space exploration for purposes of "off the beaten path game content" does interest me and I would hope that they were tailoring their space component to fit it in.
My only concern with this game from what I have read is that the individual story is so heavily crafted that character progression sounds as if it will run the risk of being linear.
I'd be more interested in seeing them add more optional content allowing players to shape their own character through exploration than I would dynamic space combat.
So, you where looking forward to TOR just for the space combat eh? When or where did Bioware promise fully fledged space combat experience?
If you're interested in space combat alone then you should check Black Prophecy, Jumpgate Evolution and EVE.
/bye.
Let us not forget that TOR is mostly KoTOR. I remember the space combat in both those games. It was rail combat. I never enjoyed that part of both games. I'm not looking for space combat in TOR. I know BioWare has no idea how to make it enjoyable. There business is RPG not sim.
If I get the want to play space combat I'll sub to SWG and play there.
TOR is going to be a great game for fans (like myself) of KoTOR and for those who enjoy an MMORPG. Space combat folks would be best to keep playing JTL or xwing vs tie.
If it is a dissapointment I am sure it will not be anywhere near as dissappointing as SWG. I recognize your name , I know you frequent those forums. This is a game people, we will buy it like we do every other game and we will play it and if it sucks it sucks, if it is good it is good, but honestly we really don't give a shit. No company can be as bad as SOE, so thank god this isn't SOE.
If people want better space, I am sure Bioware will eventually deliver better space, but most people aren't too worried.
As far as the article and MikeB goes, I find it to be quite frankly absurd that MMORPG has taken such a bias stance over SWTOR BIoware, and the Star Wars IP in general.
You are supposed to bring us this information without adding your bias views. I guess you can do what you want, but to me it seems like you are smear campaigning this whole game that most people are looking forward to, much like they are looking forward to FF14 and GW2.
Go ahead , delete my post and bann me for speaking the truth. I don't care. Anyone at SWG, the only way that game will be saved in the future is to go f2p. Wether or not SWTOR is a dissappointment or not. GW2 and FF14 and other games are on the horizon, and your player base at the 10k subs it is at right now, will not be able to maintane itself.
Star Wars without the war in the stars? Yah I think I'll pass/
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Then I guess you never played about half of the Star Wars games out there.
Next......
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
Wow, don't Jetblue on forums.
I don't really care.
/shrug