Love those Wallet Warriors in EvE, they dont effect the Market and when some Noob in a Expensive Faction Battleship with High tech gear shows off while playing his 60 mill skillpoint Charecter suddenly dies to a few low level guys in cheap ships and realises all that gear that cost him a lot of real life cash is gone is so funny.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
I am a bit curious about this. I try to focus on my own ways of having fun, and give a damn about how or why other are having fun ingame.
Personally I could care less about other people buying whatsoever ingame, as long as it doesn't affect my gaming experience. Are people just jealous, is that it boils down to in the end?
Seriously, if people are having trouble about other people buying vanity items, it says alot more about them than those filthy rich ones. Long time ago I accepted that some are being born in the real life with a silverspoon up where the sun never shines. That is the reality. In fact, most of the people on this earth do think that the monthly subscription fees are too high, and cannot afford it. I am not sure they are having a problem with that anyways...
My fun, is very little dependant on that other strangers vanity pet. How about you? Or is your heart filled with envy?
Filthy rich brats trying to buy win are more than welcome in my EVE. Firstly they keep the supply of PLEX up which is good for those of us who like to pay for free. Secondly when they inevitably get popped and lose their expensively but terribly fit pirate faction battleship because they think that top gear = win, one can reap a rich harvest not only of high end drops but also hugely entertaining tears, rage and sometimes threats.
Rich kids, come to EVE, please! Take your officer-fitted Nightmares out for a spin today!
If I remember correct, one seller at Ebay once had sold nearly 100 Spectral Tigers.
Probably because Ebay is full of scammers, and the codes on those cards have already been redeemed.
No, he did not have a single one negative feedback.
Maybe Blizzard did not have a finger in it, maybe he worked at some store. But I remember I asked someone who sold them card, about the chance to get one. The person said it was close to impossible. It might have been 1 spectral tiger in every 1000 stacks or so. So close to nil chance. So, seeing someone on Ebay with 100 cards, all positive feedbacks, made me raise my eyebrows.
Personally I don't have much problem about vanity items bought from cash shops, that affect the social part of the game. As in real life, there are rich ones, some filthy rich. I welcome them to the MMO's I play too. Let them buy virtual items, they are after all "free" to produce, and is probably a nice income and a very easy way to make money for the gaming companies.
He could have been smart and bought up the supply at a lower price over time and held on to them for awhile to jack the price up with a hugh supply later. I have no idea but sounds like a way to make money.
I am a bit curious about this. I try to focus on my own ways of having fun, and give a damn about how or why other are having fun ingame.
Personally I could care less about other people buying whatsoever ingame, as long as it doesn't affect my gaming experience. Are people just jealous, is that it boils down to in the end?
Seriously, if people are having trouble about other people buying vanity items, it says alot more about them than those filthy rich ones. Long time ago I accepted that some are being born in the real life with a silverspoon up where the sun never shines. That is the reality. In fact, most of the people on this earth do think that the monthly subscription fees are too high, and cannot afford it. I am not sure they are having a problem with that anyways...
My fun, is very little dependant on that other strangers vanity pet. How about you? Or is your heart filled with envy?
Filthy rich brats trying to buy win are more than welcome in my EVE. Firstly they keep the supply of PLEX up which is good for those of us who like to pay for free. Secondly when they inevitably get popped and lose their expensively but terribly fit pirate faction battleship because they think that top gear = win, one can reap a rich harvest not only of high end drops but also hugely entertaining tears, rage and sometimes threats.
Rich kids, come to EVE, please! Take your officer-fitted Nightmares out for a spin today!
And this illustrates the difference between EVE and almost every other game out there (and the comparison is solidly in EVE's favor on this one). If other games were less gear dependent, they could take advantage of a PLEX-style system without breaking their games, too. Maybe new game developers need to take a close look at EVE for some inspiration.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
I am a bit curious about this. I try to focus on my own ways of having fun, and give a damn about how or why other are having fun ingame.
Personally I could care less about other people buying whatsoever ingame, as long as it doesn't affect my gaming experience. Are people just jealous, is that it boils down to in the end?
Seriously, if people are having trouble about other people buying vanity items, it says alot more about them than those filthy rich ones. Long time ago I accepted that some are being born in the real life with a silverspoon up where the sun never shines. That is the reality. In fact, most of the people on this earth do think that the monthly subscription fees are too high, and cannot afford it. I am not sure they are having a problem with that anyways...
My fun, is very little dependant on that other strangers vanity pet. How about you? Or is your heart filled with envy?
Filthy rich brats trying to buy win are more than welcome in my EVE. Firstly they keep the supply of PLEX up which is good for those of us who like to pay for free. Secondly when they inevitably get popped and lose their expensively but terribly fit pirate faction battleship because they think that top gear = win, one can reap a rich harvest not only of high end drops but also hugely entertaining tears, rage and sometimes threats.
Rich kids, come to EVE, please! Take your officer-fitted Nightmares out for a spin today!
Rich kids ruin EVE too. A person able to supply a corp with materials frigs, cruisers, POS fuel, Carrier for transport, Rorquals, Titans for gates, etc...then they can run pirate ops with no fear of the cost or losses because the rich kid will just resupply them. EVE is not about the cost of your ship as much as the supply train behind your ship.
I am a bit curious about this. I try to focus on my own ways of having fun, and give a damn about how or why other are having fun ingame.
Personally I could care less about other people buying whatsoever ingame, as long as it doesn't affect my gaming experience. Are people just jealous, is that it boils down to in the end?
Seriously, if people are having trouble about other people buying vanity items, it says alot more about them than those filthy rich ones. Long time ago I accepted that some are being born in the real life with a silverspoon up where the sun never shines. That is the reality. In fact, most of the people on this earth do think that the monthly subscription fees are too high, and cannot afford it. I am not sure they are having a problem with that anyways...
My fun, is very little dependant on that other strangers vanity pet. How about you? Or is your heart filled with envy?
Filthy rich brats trying to buy win are more than welcome in my EVE. Firstly they keep the supply of PLEX up which is good for those of us who like to pay for free. Secondly when they inevitably get popped and lose their expensively but terribly fit pirate faction battleship because they think that top gear = win, one can reap a rich harvest not only of high end drops but also hugely entertaining tears, rage and sometimes threats.
Rich kids, come to EVE, please! Take your officer-fitted Nightmares out for a spin today!
Rich kids ruin EVE too. A person able to supply a corp with materials frigs, cruisers, POS fuel, Carrier for transport, Rorquals, Titans for gates, etc...then they can run pirate ops with no fear of the cost or losses because the rich kid will just resupply them. EVE is not about the cost of your ship as much as the supply train behind your ship.
Suffice it to say that I am sceptical of this to say the least. Can you cite examples of this ever actually succeeding?
Just one I know off hand was Cardinal Armada...a group of 2 that would use carriers to jump into systems and the be a general pest. Some that knew one of them stated he just bought isk to replace losses because the only fun he had in the game was pirating and did not want to raise cash from market of missions. I am sure there are a crap load of others. That do not want to take part in the ingame economy they just want the fun of fighting others. If they had to mine or use the economy they would have to spend more time making money, but instead they can pick a system and be an almost constant pain in the ass.
Just one I know off hand was Cardinal Armada...a group of 2 that would use carriers to jump into systems and the be a general pest. Some that knew one of them stated he just bought isk to replace losses because the only fun he had in the game was pirating and did not want to raise cash from market of missions. I am sure there are a crap load of others. That do not want to take part in the ingame economy they just want the fun of fighting others. If they had to mine or use the economy they would have to spend more time making money, but instead they can pick a system and be an almost constant pain in the ass.
Sounds like a reliable story to me.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
So are you saying it is completely not possible or that you just want to bury your head in the sand and keep telling yourself that others do not do it. If ignorance is bliss then you must be on cloud 9. Believe what you want, but the possibility is there and to think that people do not take advantage of it is sheer stupidity or blind ignorance. Keep on believing that Eve always shits gold and do not accept there are some flaws.
So are you saying it is completely not possible or that you just want to bury your head in the sand and keep telling yourself that others do not do it. If ignorance is bliss then you must be on cloud 9. Believe what you want, but the possibility is there and to think that people do not take advantage of it is sheer stupidity or blind ignorance. Keep on believing that Eve always shits gold and do not accept there are some flaws.
Okay, let's say it's possible, but good lord, that would be an obscenely rich kid. You're talking about supplying an entire fleet for pvp, I can't even imagine what it would cost to do that using PLEX.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
Depends...you have a fleet of only 6 friends....50% losses of cheap pirate ships BC's, cruisers, frigs....not that much. A group of 6 with no fear of having to work to resupply can make your day, month, year in a low sec system a nightmare.
Even if it just a corp that wants a POS but does not want to work for the fuel and just buys isk to buy fuel. In my corp our leader got jipped on a deal for a Jump freighter...he felt so bad he used his own money to buy isk to buy a JF. This crap happens.
Think of the constant sale of game time and isk sites. These things have to be profitable in a large scale for people to contantly do it. This Isk is going somewhere. I myself have occassionally bought GTC's to sell for cash to buy ships I wanted or to replace a loss of something that was important to me. I am not rich but I can imagine rich people that like to collect spending a lot of money to have ships with spectacular builds for show.
Yeah you will have the noob buying a nightmare heading out and getting his ass shot off, but after that you think that person is the type to stay in the game? Probably 70% of those people would leaving in frustration. I am more worried about the people buying the smaller ships I meantioned to constantly harass without having to have the down time for raising isk.
So are you saying it is completely not possible or that you just want to bury your head in the sand and keep telling yourself that others do not do it. If ignorance is bliss then you must be on cloud 9. Believe what you want, but the possibility is there and to think that people do not take advantage of it is sheer stupidity or blind ignorance. Keep on believing that Eve always shits gold and do not accept there are some flaws.
Okay, let's say it's possible, but good lord, that would be an obscenely rich kid. You're talking about supplying an entire fleet for pvp, I can't even imagine what it would cost to do that using PLEX.
Most of them are not kids but anyway you get people who spend thousands monthly on mmo games.
So are you saying it is completely not possible or that you just want to bury your head in the sand and keep telling yourself that others do not do it. If ignorance is bliss then you must be on cloud 9. Believe what you want, but the possibility is there and to think that people do not take advantage of it is sheer stupidity or blind ignorance. Keep on believing that Eve always shits gold and do not accept there are some flaws.
Don't get so riled up, lol.
I never said EVE was flawless, I was merely commenting on your story's source and it's reliability. As great a game as it is, it could be improved in many ways.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
So are you saying it is completely not possible or that you just want to bury your head in the sand and keep telling yourself that others do not do it. If ignorance is bliss then you must be on cloud 9. Believe what you want, but the possibility is there and to think that people do not take advantage of it is sheer stupidity or blind ignorance. Keep on believing that Eve always shits gold and do not accept there are some flaws.
Okay, let's say it's possible, but good lord, that would be an obscenely rich kid. You're talking about supplying an entire fleet for pvp, I can't even imagine what it would cost to do that using PLEX.
Most of them are not kids but anyway you get people who spend thousands monthly on mmo games.
That's insane. And can't be very common, because who can afford to spend that on a game?
However, if it costs less than I thought it did to keep a fleet going, I guess it is an issue. But in the admittedly very short time I played EVE, I was in game and on the forums every day, and never heard anyone complain about PLEX. I wonder why?
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
People do not complain because A) people like buying "gold" and Eve's economy is all about players buying from players. More cash means more buying. So it helps all around, but it is still partially fuelled by people spending IRL money to keep it greased. Kind of like Obama's stimulus...hard to count how many sales were saved or created from IRL money.
So are you saying it is completely not possible or that you just want to bury your head in the sand and keep telling yourself that others do not do it. If ignorance is bliss then you must be on cloud 9. Believe what you want, but the possibility is there and to think that people do not take advantage of it is sheer stupidity or blind ignorance. Keep on believing that Eve always shits gold and do not accept there are some flaws.
Okay, let's say it's possible, but good lord, that would be an obscenely rich kid. You're talking about supplying an entire fleet for pvp, I can't even imagine what it would cost to do that using PLEX.
With fittings, rigs and fighters, you're looking at about $45 for a carrier, $75 for a dread. $30 for a T3 cruiser. Doing that for a whole corp is going to get really expensive really quick. 50 guys are $200 each - will someone really spend 10G doing that? And what then when they get hotdropped by Cry Havoc or Pandemic legion who will butcher them all the more gleefully because they know they're causing someone real $ damage.
Could there really be someone spending 10.000$ on a few hrs gaming, pvp wise? Some spend more on Casinos, but in an MMO? Almost unthinkable. But then, I would not spend 10k in a Casino no matter how rich I am.
MMO's are not the only games moving in a F2P direction, so stick to P2P or real free to play, like BF2142. When I am talking skills I am thinking more of games like that.
When I am talking dedication I am thinking more of MMO's. P2P has a level playing field, yes I may have been on more months than you and paid a monthly fee longer. But so what? The game telescopes at end game and you can catch me up. If I do have an item you dont have it was because I put dedication into getting it. I learned the strategy; I helped form the group etc. And so can you. We won't be meeting in the auction house and you see my two handed vorpal sword and think "what a prat he got that for what...$50 dollars?"
That’s the difference, working for it or getting your parents credit card to pay for it.for it or getting your parents credit card to pay for it.
People do not complain because A) people like buying "gold" and Eve's economy is all about players buying from players. More cash means more buying. So it helps all around, but it is still partially fuelled by people spending IRL money to keep it greased. Kind of like Obama's stimulus...hard to count how many sales were saved or created from IRL money.
Don't forget the very important fact that the people trading ISK for PLEX now get to play their game for free. No matter how much you might dislike RMT, paying for your subscription through playing the game has a massive appeal to the 'have-nots'.
People do not complain because A) people like buying "gold" and Eve's economy is all about players buying from players. More cash means more buying. So it helps all around, but it is still partially fuelled by people spending IRL money to keep it greased. Kind of like Obama's stimulus...hard to count how many sales were saved or created from IRL money.
Don't forget the very important fact that the people trading ISK for PLEX now get to play their game for free. No matter how much you might dislike RMT, paying for your subscription through playing the game has a massive appeal to the 'have-nots'.
The latest QEN shows that there's almost 20 trillion ISK per month flowing in to the game. Current PLEX prices are ~320 milllion for a PLEX worth $15. That's the equivalent of nearly a million dollars per month in ISK inflow. It's reasonable to assume that there's at least 20 times as much ISK in general circulation.
The "rich brats" are going to have to spend serious coin to show up as more than a rounding error in the face of that level of in-game economic activity. You might get someone who manages to dominate his little corner of lo-sec this way, but that'll only last till one of the big alliances finally notices them, at which point they'll get wiped off the map. In any case, it's trivially easy to avoid them by simply moving to another part of the map, or even off the map altogether into W-space, so it's pretty difficult for someone to use RL$ to ruin someone's fun.
And BTW the 0.0 alliances, far from being supported by PLEX sales, are huge consumers of PLEX.
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If Jimmy the Orc buys Uber Axe of Doom +10 from the item shop and then spawn camps me with it, then yes, my fun is ruined.
On the other hand, if Jimmy the Orc buys a santa hat from that same item shop then bunny hops around the guild hall with it, no my fun is not ruined.
One does not become filthy rich by buying in-game items in MMOs.
Love those Wallet Warriors in EvE, they dont effect the Market and when some Noob in a Expensive Faction Battleship with High tech gear shows off while playing his 60 mill skillpoint Charecter suddenly dies to a few low level guys in cheap ships and realises all that gear that cost him a lot of real life cash is gone is so funny.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
Probably because Ebay is full of scammers, and the codes on those cards have already been redeemed.
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Filthy rich brats trying to buy win are more than welcome in my EVE. Firstly they keep the supply of PLEX up which is good for those of us who like to pay for free. Secondly when they inevitably get popped and lose their expensively but terribly fit pirate faction battleship because they think that top gear = win, one can reap a rich harvest not only of high end drops but also hugely entertaining tears, rage and sometimes threats.
Rich kids, come to EVE, please! Take your officer-fitted Nightmares out for a spin today!
Give me liberty or give me lasers
No, he did not have a single one negative feedback.
Maybe Blizzard did not have a finger in it, maybe he worked at some store. But I remember I asked someone who sold them card, about the chance to get one. The person said it was close to impossible. It might have been 1 spectral tiger in every 1000 stacks or so. So close to nil chance. So, seeing someone on Ebay with 100 cards, all positive feedbacks, made me raise my eyebrows.
Personally I don't have much problem about vanity items bought from cash shops, that affect the social part of the game. As in real life, there are rich ones, some filthy rich. I welcome them to the MMO's I play too. Let them buy virtual items, they are after all "free" to produce, and is probably a nice income and a very easy way to make money for the gaming companies.
Isn't that win-win for us all?
Make us care MORE about our faction & world pvp!
He could have been smart and bought up the supply at a lower price over time and held on to them for awhile to jack the price up with a hugh supply later. I have no idea but sounds like a way to make money.
And this illustrates the difference between EVE and almost every other game out there (and the comparison is solidly in EVE's favor on this one). If other games were less gear dependent, they could take advantage of a PLEX-style system without breaking their games, too. Maybe new game developers need to take a close look at EVE for some inspiration.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
Rich kids ruin EVE too. A person able to supply a corp with materials frigs, cruisers, POS fuel, Carrier for transport, Rorquals, Titans for gates, etc...then they can run pirate ops with no fear of the cost or losses because the rich kid will just resupply them. EVE is not about the cost of your ship as much as the supply train behind your ship.
Suffice it to say that I am sceptical of this to say the least. Can you cite examples of this ever actually succeeding?
Give me liberty or give me lasers
Just one I know off hand was Cardinal Armada...a group of 2 that would use carriers to jump into systems and the be a general pest. Some that knew one of them stated he just bought isk to replace losses because the only fun he had in the game was pirating and did not want to raise cash from market of missions. I am sure there are a crap load of others. That do not want to take part in the ingame economy they just want the fun of fighting others. If they had to mine or use the economy they would have to spend more time making money, but instead they can pick a system and be an almost constant pain in the ass.
Sounds like a reliable story to me.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
So are you saying it is completely not possible or that you just want to bury your head in the sand and keep telling yourself that others do not do it. If ignorance is bliss then you must be on cloud 9. Believe what you want, but the possibility is there and to think that people do not take advantage of it is sheer stupidity or blind ignorance. Keep on believing that Eve always shits gold and do not accept there are some flaws.
Okay, let's say it's possible, but good lord, that would be an obscenely rich kid. You're talking about supplying an entire fleet for pvp, I can't even imagine what it would cost to do that using PLEX.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
Depends...you have a fleet of only 6 friends....50% losses of cheap pirate ships BC's, cruisers, frigs....not that much. A group of 6 with no fear of having to work to resupply can make your day, month, year in a low sec system a nightmare.
Even if it just a corp that wants a POS but does not want to work for the fuel and just buys isk to buy fuel. In my corp our leader got jipped on a deal for a Jump freighter...he felt so bad he used his own money to buy isk to buy a JF. This crap happens.
Think of the constant sale of game time and isk sites. These things have to be profitable in a large scale for people to contantly do it. This Isk is going somewhere. I myself have occassionally bought GTC's to sell for cash to buy ships I wanted or to replace a loss of something that was important to me. I am not rich but I can imagine rich people that like to collect spending a lot of money to have ships with spectacular builds for show.
Yeah you will have the noob buying a nightmare heading out and getting his ass shot off, but after that you think that person is the type to stay in the game? Probably 70% of those people would leaving in frustration. I am more worried about the people buying the smaller ships I meantioned to constantly harass without having to have the down time for raising isk.
Most of them are not kids but anyway you get people who spend thousands monthly on mmo games.
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Don't get so riled up, lol.
I never said EVE was flawless, I was merely commenting on your story's source and it's reliability. As great a game as it is, it could be improved in many ways.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
As far as I am concerned I couldn't give a rat's ass how much money anyone else spends on enjoying their game of choice.
It puts money into the industry & in it's way helps pay for the next decent game that may get made.
That's insane. And can't be very common, because who can afford to spend that on a game?
However, if it costs less than I thought it did to keep a fleet going, I guess it is an issue. But in the admittedly very short time I played EVE, I was in game and on the forums every day, and never heard anyone complain about PLEX. I wonder why?
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
People do not complain because A) people like buying "gold" and
Eve's economy is all about players buying from players. More cash means more buying. So it helps all around, but it is still partially fuelled by people spending IRL money to keep it greased. Kind of like Obama's stimulus...hard to count how many sales were saved or created from IRL money.
With fittings, rigs and fighters, you're looking at about $45 for a carrier, $75 for a dread. $30 for a T3 cruiser. Doing that for a whole corp is going to get really expensive really quick. 50 guys are $200 each - will someone really spend 10G doing that? And what then when they get hotdropped by Cry Havoc or Pandemic legion who will butcher them all the more gleefully because they know they're causing someone real $ damage.
Give me liberty or give me lasers
Could there really be someone spending 10.000$ on a few hrs gaming, pvp wise? Some spend more on Casinos, but in an MMO? Almost unthinkable. But then, I would not spend 10k in a Casino no matter how rich I am.
Make us care MORE about our faction & world pvp!
MMO's are not the only games moving in a F2P direction, so stick to P2P or real free to play, like BF2142. When I am talking skills I am thinking more of games like that.
When I am talking dedication I am thinking more of MMO's. P2P has a level playing field, yes I may have been on more months than you and paid a monthly fee longer. But so what? The game telescopes at end game and you can catch me up. If I do have an item you dont have it was because I put dedication into getting it. I learned the strategy; I helped form the group etc. And so can you. We won't be meeting in the auction house and you see my two handed vorpal sword and think "what a prat he got that for what...$50 dollars?"
That’s the difference, working for it or getting your parents credit card to pay for it.for it or getting your parents credit card to pay for it.
Don't forget the very important fact that the people trading ISK for PLEX now get to play their game for free. No matter how much you might dislike RMT, paying for your subscription through playing the game has a massive appeal to the 'have-nots'.
The latest QEN shows that there's almost 20 trillion ISK per month flowing in to the game. Current PLEX prices are ~320 milllion for a PLEX worth $15. That's the equivalent of nearly a million dollars per month in ISK inflow. It's reasonable to assume that there's at least 20 times as much ISK in general circulation.
The "rich brats" are going to have to spend serious coin to show up as more than a rounding error in the face of that level of in-game economic activity. You might get someone who manages to dominate his little corner of lo-sec this way, but that'll only last till one of the big alliances finally notices them, at which point they'll get wiped off the map. In any case, it's trivially easy to avoid them by simply moving to another part of the map, or even off the map altogether into W-space, so it's pretty difficult for someone to use RL$ to ruin someone's fun.
And BTW the 0.0 alliances, far from being supported by PLEX sales, are huge consumers of PLEX.
Give me liberty or give me lasers