If these excellent people are so f'ing unprepared to have their servers handle a beta key handout and a client download... what's the FREE first month for everyone going to be like???
Still slays me that veteran MMO companies can still be so butt-thrusting idiotic in foreseeing the inevitable train wreck they could avoid if they just payed some attention to the companies before them.
Like above poster have mentioned...
Why call it "open" beta when only a small percentage of the population is able to test it?
and if it's a limited number of keys anyways, why not just mail them out randomly instead of a "first come, first serve"?
Mark my words... AION 2.0
This is almost not even worthy of replying to but I guess I will:
1) They are only temporarily limiting keys:
Reason for limiting in the first place? Source? Makes sense?
2) Companies don't intend to have congestion problems - every company uses different server archtecture and as such all of it needs to be tested independently.
So Square-Enix has nothing to do with FFXI, and no experience in web traffic. Sound logic.
3) They are a company - using the 'least' amount of hardware possible - to make the most money possible; which is why there are so many issues.
This isn't EA, or Activision, Ubisoft, Funcom or a fly-by-night F2P copy MMO. I expect crap from them. The whole reason I'm "SHOCKED" is that it's Square-Enix. If the year was 1999 when MMO's were still in "experimental stage" I could see this. But it's 2010, 8 years later from initial release of FFXI. This shouldn't be "unfamiliar territory".
All I'm saying is I'm just shocked and disappointed at the planning of this as a whole.
For the final time; FFXIV is using completely different 'hardware' at the basic levels - while they may know things from XI(mainly administration side) there is no way to bypass the 'learning phase' with new hardware and code. Just because you can fix a Honda doesn't mean you can jump over to a Ferari and know exactly what to do - which is a good example. The hardware is of a much higher quality and they just have not fully 'tuned' the servers to work well for connection spikes.
As for #1 - they specifically said they are managing the influx of keys now because of the overload of 'congestion' that was on both the registration server and ingame servers - they have oppened the registration process twice since they 'suspended' it last night. They have said via Twitter that once things are up to par with the 'demand' they will reopen the application process fully.
there will be even more who buy when they hear there were so many beta applicants the servers couldn't handle them all.
Yes... yes you are so right. I would want to buy the game even more when I find out their shitty servers can't even handle the population, especially with all of the bullshit SE has dragged everyone through in the past. More people are going to buy a game because they know the game won't be able to handle them? Get over yourself.
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So yet another "I guess I'll wait six months or so for them to work all the bugs out" situation. If you pre-purchased it, awesome! Thanks for paying for my server upgrades, coding fixes and balancing while I wait to give them my $ for an actual "out of beta" product.
OK, you have to admit this is kind of humorous. I mean, not waiting until a product is out of beta before complaining it's not an 'actual "out of beta" product'? You've got to see the humor in that!
I dunno. I was vaguely thinking about pre-ordering, but when their website couldn't even handle the distribution of beta keys, I'm thinking that launch is going to be such a complete disaster that I'll just wait for a few months, or even for console.
Yes... yes you are so right. I would want to buy the game even more when I find out their shitty servers can't even handle the population, especially with all of the bullshit SOE has dragged everyone through in the past. More people are going to buy a game because they know the game won't be able to handle them? Get over yourself.
Yeah ima wait for SWTOR i just canceled my preorder.
Originally posted by Uronksur
I dunno. I was vaguely thinking about pre-ordering, but when their website couldn't even handle the distribution of beta keys, I'm thinking that launch is going to be such a complete disaster that I'll just wait for a few months, or even for console.
I can't help but think that it was pretty stupid of SE to make all the previous testers reapply for the open beta after having been in closed beta. In my 10 years of playing and beta testing MMO's I can't recall ever having to reapply to get into the open beta after being a CB tester. They may have been able to save some of this web traffic grief by not resetting all the CB testers status.
Yeah ima wait for SWTOR i just canceled my preorder.
Originally posted by Uronksur
I dunno. I was vaguely thinking about pre-ordering, but when their website couldn't even handle the distribution of beta keys, I'm thinking that launch is going to be such a complete disaster that I'll just wait for a few months, or even for console.
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what bothers me is the majority of people are only in the beta to see whether or not they enjoy the game, not to "beta test"
Whether you like it or not, that is the way the world works. Certainly a company would be foolish to build a release strategy around insisting that the world work the way it thinks it should, rather than the way it does.
Players use open betas to gauge how well they will like the game. They always have and they always will. Thus it behooves a company to make an "open beta" experience as pain-free as possible for players.
there will be even more who buy when they hear there were so many beta applicants the servers couldn't handle them all.
Yes... yes you are so right. I would want to buy the game even more when I find out their shitty servers can't even handle the population, especially with all of the bullshit SE has dragged everyone through in the past. More people are going to buy a game because they know the game won't be able to handle them? Get over yourself.
Not trying to be an ass here, genuinely want to know. Exactly what is all this bullshit SE has dragged everyone through in the past? I must have missed all this as so many people here keep bringing up similar statements. Can you please enlighten?
As for the shitty servers not being able to handle the population, well I guess you would have to not know what a mass call event is, and then assume things like those can't possibly happen., let alone happen outside the control of the gaming company itself. But thats ok, I wouldn't presume many actually know what the infastructure of the internet really is. Its like the person here who claims this will be AION 2.0, without knowing that the day AION launched flood waters hit a major hub on the internet and all traffic was routed around it causing massive delays for anyone and everyone for days. But thats ok, its peaceful assuming we know more about things we know nothing about. ;-) Maybe it is thier servers, maybe it isnt, maybe its between you and them. Just because everyone thinks the internet is 100% perfect doesn't mean it is, and always blaming the far end without knowning the facts is just ignorant.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
I don 't know i'm finding it rather annoying the whole congestion, trying to get my open beta key due the email square enix sent me which was actually sent to me on the foirst the day that open beta was actually supposed to start. the whole nine yards. they least they could do is allow us to get keys or fix the whole server congestion issue. oh well if it's like this come midnight i'm gonna say to hell with it.
what bothers me is the majority of people are only in the beta to see whether or not they enjoy the game, not to "beta test"
But how else are people supposed to see if they actually want the game? It's a PC game - nearly all stores have a no take back policy on opened software. So do you expect people to shell out for the game, only to come and find out they hate it? That's $60 down the hole.
Sure, it's not the intednded purpose of an Open Beta...but it saves the company, and players, the headache of a fight for refunds/compensation.
They are going to be giving out keys on a daily basis in limited numbers to prevent the issue they had at the start of overloading the account system. So just keep checking the website every so often and you might get lucky.
As far as testing. They have already stated that this is really nothing more then a large scale extended stress test of the hardware and server software. There's not going to be much in the way of bug fixing other then things that where already in the works at the end of closed beta and/or anything major that pops up.
of course people are going to use beta as a demo because theres no alternative.
Personally I use it as a free demo to see if I want to buy it and repay it with reporting any bugs I see. Its the only way to judge if I actually want the game. Theres no reviews out yet, little to no game footage and will be no trial. So basically people have to just go by a couple rumours and the name of the game.
Yeah, open betas serve an important purpose as hype-builders and demos. I won't purchase FFIV without trying it first and seeing if it is something I'm interested in. Period.
They are going to be giving out keys on a daily basis in limited numbers to prevent the issue they had at the start of overloading the account system. So just keep checking the website every so often and you might get lucky.
No, no, no, no. STOP SPREADING THIS CRAP.
If you don't know the correct answer - stop posting. They have sent out 0 codes since the system went down this morning(around 5am EST), anyone who says they got a code since then is lieing through their teeth - the code generator isn't even linked into the page anymore ; it auto redirects to the 'We are no longer offering keys atm' page - and has since last night. No matter how long you keep refreshing ANY page you aren't going to get a key. Your best bet is to wait until SE gets ahold of a translator and finally issues a statement on what is going to happen, and even then trusting their translations is silly.
Yeah, open betas serve an important purpose as hype-builders and demos. I won't purchase FFIV without trying it first and seeing if it is something I'm interested in. Period.
A Open Beta should be used to test for bugs and stress although Open Beta implies that everyone can join or it is a Closed Beta. The reality is that Open Beta is more of a hype builder than a test for bugs in the game. I saw a few posts that say that people getting pissed off about not getting in Open Beta key will simply not affect sales. I don't feel this is true. Alot of negativity can hurt a game regardless of the source and I have to admit that SE's presentation of Beta to be quite horrible compared to other Beta games I have been in. Rarely have I had difficulty in being included in an Open Beta. I've had trouble getting into a number of Closed Betas but this is the first Open Beta I've found a pain to get into. The SE websites are also quite horrible to navigate and geez.... the download for the client.... I don't think I want to go there.
None of this says that FF 14 will be a bad game although it does give a bad first impression. Personally I hope FF 14 succeeds. The graphics look good as do the character models although they do seem quite limited in customization options. I still can't figure out why they don't want kitty boys. Do they only want to cater to the cat girl stereotype? Seems silly not to have both genders for each race. Maybe MMOs are sexist these days. I dunno.
Given the amount of problems they had in getting the Open although we should probably call it Closed Beta, I hope the Open Beta exposes the majority of bugs and glitches so a nice polished product can be released. I hope that its true that they are giving away more Beta Keys although after all the time downloading and refreshing spent on the first round, I think I'll just buy the box game and give one month a try. Hopefully one of my friends will buy it before me so I can see if the game comes out smelling like a rose or is a stinker.
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Exactly on the point!
For the final time; FFXIV is using completely different 'hardware' at the basic levels - while they may know things from XI(mainly administration side) there is no way to bypass the 'learning phase' with new hardware and code. Just because you can fix a Honda doesn't mean you can jump over to a Ferari and know exactly what to do - which is a good example. The hardware is of a much higher quality and they just have not fully 'tuned' the servers to work well for connection spikes.
As for #1 - they specifically said they are managing the influx of keys now because of the overload of 'congestion' that was on both the registration server and ingame servers - they have oppened the registration process twice since they 'suspended' it last night. They have said via Twitter that once things are up to par with the 'demand' they will reopen the application process fully.
Yes... yes you are so right. I would want to buy the game even more when I find out their shitty servers can't even handle the population, especially with all of the bullshit SE has dragged everyone through in the past. More people are going to buy a game because they know the game won't be able to handle them? Get over yourself.
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OK, you have to admit this is kind of humorous. I mean, not waiting until a product is out of beta before complaining it's not an 'actual "out of beta" product'? You've got to see the humor in that!
I dunno. I was vaguely thinking about pre-ordering, but when their website couldn't even handle the distribution of beta keys, I'm thinking that launch is going to be such a complete disaster that I'll just wait for a few months, or even for console.
SE not SOE, rofl.
I can't help but think that it was pretty stupid of SE to make all the previous testers reapply for the open beta after having been in closed beta. In my 10 years of playing and beta testing MMO's I can't recall ever having to reapply to get into the open beta after being a CB tester. They may have been able to save some of this web traffic grief by not resetting all the CB testers status.
Thank you! It will help keep the server traffic down for the rest of us on launch day! jk
Why does it matter? Apparently you are spending your time here because you can't get into the POS system either. So fun!! yayyyyyyyyyy!!
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Dont worry im sure you wont have any troubles im sure im not the only one.
Yes. I'm getting really bored clicking that stupid "Apply for beta test" button! So thanks for the diversion guys.
Whether you like it or not, that is the way the world works. Certainly a company would be foolish to build a release strategy around insisting that the world work the way it thinks it should, rather than the way it does.
Players use open betas to gauge how well they will like the game. They always have and they always will. Thus it behooves a company to make an "open beta" experience as pain-free as possible for players.
Not trying to be an ass here, genuinely want to know. Exactly what is all this bullshit SE has dragged everyone through in the past? I must have missed all this as so many people here keep bringing up similar statements. Can you please enlighten?
As for the shitty servers not being able to handle the population, well I guess you would have to not know what a mass call event is, and then assume things like those can't possibly happen., let alone happen outside the control of the gaming company itself. But thats ok, I wouldn't presume many actually know what the infastructure of the internet really is. Its like the person here who claims this will be AION 2.0, without knowing that the day AION launched flood waters hit a major hub on the internet and all traffic was routed around it causing massive delays for anyone and everyone for days. But thats ok, its peaceful assuming we know more about things we know nothing about. ;-) Maybe it is thier servers, maybe it isnt, maybe its between you and them. Just because everyone thinks the internet is 100% perfect doesn't mean it is, and always blaming the far end without knowning the facts is just ignorant.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
I don 't know i'm finding it rather annoying the whole congestion, trying to get my open beta key due the email square enix sent me which was actually sent to me on the foirst the day that open beta was actually supposed to start. the whole nine yards. they least they could do is allow us to get keys or fix the whole server congestion issue. oh well if it's like this come midnight i'm gonna say to hell with it.
But how else are people supposed to see if they actually want the game? It's a PC game - nearly all stores have a no take back policy on opened software. So do you expect people to shell out for the game, only to come and find out they hate it? That's $60 down the hole.
Sure, it's not the intednded purpose of an Open Beta...but it saves the company, and players, the headache of a fight for refunds/compensation.
so whats the deal? how can one gain access to the open beta? You'd think anyone could join up as the name would insist...
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They are going to be giving out keys on a daily basis in limited numbers to prevent the issue they had at the start of overloading the account system. So just keep checking the website every so often and you might get lucky.
As far as testing. They have already stated that this is really nothing more then a large scale extended stress test of the hardware and server software. There's not going to be much in the way of bug fixing other then things that where already in the works at the end of closed beta and/or anything major that pops up.
of course people are going to use beta as a demo because theres no alternative.
Personally I use it as a free demo to see if I want to buy it and repay it with reporting any bugs I see. Its the only way to judge if I actually want the game. Theres no reviews out yet, little to no game footage and will be no trial. So basically people have to just go by a couple rumours and the name of the game.
Yeah, open betas serve an important purpose as hype-builders and demos. I won't purchase FFIV without trying it first and seeing if it is something I'm interested in. Period.
No, no, no, no. STOP SPREADING THIS CRAP.
If you don't know the correct answer - stop posting. They have sent out 0 codes since the system went down this morning(around 5am EST), anyone who says they got a code since then is lieing through their teeth - the code generator isn't even linked into the page anymore ; it auto redirects to the 'We are no longer offering keys atm' page - and has since last night. No matter how long you keep refreshing ANY page you aren't going to get a key. Your best bet is to wait until SE gets ahold of a translator and finally issues a statement on what is going to happen, and even then trusting their translations is silly.
Yep. Same here.
A Open Beta should be used to test for bugs and stress although Open Beta implies that everyone can join or it is a Closed Beta. The reality is that Open Beta is more of a hype builder than a test for bugs in the game. I saw a few posts that say that people getting pissed off about not getting in Open Beta key will simply not affect sales. I don't feel this is true. Alot of negativity can hurt a game regardless of the source and I have to admit that SE's presentation of Beta to be quite horrible compared to other Beta games I have been in. Rarely have I had difficulty in being included in an Open Beta. I've had trouble getting into a number of Closed Betas but this is the first Open Beta I've found a pain to get into. The SE websites are also quite horrible to navigate and geez.... the download for the client.... I don't think I want to go there.
None of this says that FF 14 will be a bad game although it does give a bad first impression. Personally I hope FF 14 succeeds. The graphics look good as do the character models although they do seem quite limited in customization options. I still can't figure out why they don't want kitty boys. Do they only want to cater to the cat girl stereotype? Seems silly not to have both genders for each race. Maybe MMOs are sexist these days. I dunno.
Given the amount of problems they had in getting the Open although we should probably call it Closed Beta, I hope the Open Beta exposes the majority of bugs and glitches so a nice polished product can be released. I hope that its true that they are giving away more Beta Keys although after all the time downloading and refreshing spent on the first round, I think I'll just buy the box game and give one month a try. Hopefully one of my friends will buy it before me so I can see if the game comes out smelling like a rose or is a stinker.