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8.70. Now this is officially the WoW-Killer! *Frequently updated*
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You could have stopped at the 2nd paragraph and leave with unchanged credibility.
When you spoke of the NCsoft part you lost it entirely.
Im not gonna say why, find it by yourself.
"It has potential"
-Second most used phrase on existence
"It sucks"
-Most used phrase on existence
Again with this misconception of 'casual'.
Casual players, in general, are not averse to difficulty, they're averse to time committments. From what I've seen of GW2, casual players can take part in many aspects of the game without having to worry about spouse agro, hungry children or pets that need walking because they can just jump into the action and right back out of it again, without having to group. Their presence isn't mandatory and their early departure will have no averse effect on the players around them. This will apply to PvE and WvW.
If anything, it's more casual-friendly than WoW, so I can see a lot of those types of players transitioning over and staying for a spell. It's the raiders that are locked into WoW from now until the day the suns runs out of fuel, if for no other reason than to protect the investment of time they've already put it. A casual, by my definition, needn't worry so much about this investment and can much more easily uproot.
But to address the OP, GW2 isn't a WoW killer because no such thing can exist. But it will affect the number of active subsriptions they have. To what extent, I can't guess. But it won't be anywhere near enough to topple the titan from it's throne.
I agree. But, there could come a game that is so incredibly different and wonderful, that many MMORPG players will wonder why it hasn't been done that way before. In this case, the game will set a new direction for MMOs, like WoW did when it released. It may not kill the game, but it will surely cause the developers to backpedal and try to implement similar systems.
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Let's see, a game with a high hype with great graphics and doctored videos being called a wow killer. Where have I heard that phrase before.... Conan comes to mind, Champions, STO, Aion... the list goes on. By all means I think all you GW2 fans should go out and buy this game as soon as it hits the shelf, that way when the game has enough money to run for a few years you are reminded of how much of a tard you really are... long live gw2.
This is spot on. The fact that I can play 10 hours per week doesn't mean I want an easy game. As you said problems with MMOs is time commitment and not difficulty. I have played so many single player games which are much more difficult to beat than most MMOs' endgame but they are a solo endeaver which means I am not tied to weekly schedule for a game.
Guild Wars gave me just that - the ability to play alone or with a few friends whenever I felt like and whenever I had the time.
Lol not this again. When will you kids ever learn? WaR didn't do it, Darkfall didn't do it, Aion didn't do it. AoC didn't do it, Champions didn't do it, and I tell you what. Gw2, Tsw, and my beloved Tor won't do it either. The only thing that will kill Wow is Blizzard. Have a look back at some of the old threads threads when Aion and Darkfall and Warhammer online where just about to be released if you are new here. They will make for interesting reading for you. Same crap diferent game. If you are not new here, you should know better.
This game is definately going to kill wow. Lol at all the people that say that wow can only kill itself. A good game comes along and then people all jump on the bandwagon and not only that it is B2P without a sub fee, so this game has everything it takes to be a wow killer.
Why play wow if gw2 is gonna be as good as people say, and without a sub?
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
What is stopping WoW players from playing both WoW and GW? It's not like they will be paying more per month.
I'm afraid that's just not true. Blizzard's games have never been 'defeated' by another game. Ever. It's always been Blizzard's decision to slack on supporting it's games. There's been better games to match / exceed most of blizzard's products as well, but they just can't tap the fanbase Blizzard has. Blizzard is safe, and knows how to play to mass appeal. The majority of gamers want to play a game they know is good, and may be reluctant to branch out to try other things. Blizzard makes games that have always been a safe bet, period. You know you will get a quality product.
So, even though I think GW2 will be an amazing game, there's 2 problems with believing it will "kill WoW".
1) It's B2P, not a subscription game. Players don't have to make a choice between GW2 and another game. They can play both.
2) Blizzard has a long history of standing strong w/ it's games. The only way Blizzard's games will fail, is if they themselves let them. (Manage them poorly, clumsy release, etc.) and given their reputation, they'd have to let their games fail repeatedly before the majority of people would stop giving them a chance.
I think GW2 will definitely captivate a large chunk of WoW's audience. But they won't necessarily stop playing WoW for the game.
Because GW 2 may be as shallow as the 1st and not hold people's intereste more than a couple of months?
Or as others noted, people can easily play both, and they probably will.
Heck, I'll probably play it, and keep all my EVE subs going.
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I will tell you what is going to stop them. The fact that they will be having so much fun with gw2 that they will realize they don't have time for wow anymore and all their friends are on GW2, so why even bother paying a sub fee. Just save the 15 dollars a month.
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
i hope you aren't basing the hype meter on these forums on a fisticuffs match with world of warcraft. oh lawls you are. and games don't die unless they are unplugged so please stop making threads like this.
I thought Warhammer was the WOW killer, no wait its AOC oh wait a minuete its Aion. GW2 will place about where GW is, nothing more.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
hey this could be The WoW Killer!!!!
I hear 172nd time is the charm!!!
has noone yet learned to recognize troll threads?? seriously by now you would think people would start noticing threads where a person states a highly discussed/controversial topic with a very one sided opinion, purely to get off on the ensuing flood of posts and popularity of their created thread.
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Thats right little chap, people do jump on the bandwagon but more often than not they don't stay on it. Don't get me wrong I think Gw2 looks awsome, but thats the other problem. It looks awsome. We really don't know how much ass it's going to kick untill we play it. A lot of us here have been very hyped for games that have come out over the last few years only to find they suck more than a vacume cleaner on overdrive. A lot of people won't be taken in again. If you don't belive me, as I said before. check out some old threads on this very site. There were hundreds of people saying exactly the same thing as you about there game of choice before release. Thats why you will get a lot of contrary opinions against your very positive outlook. But they have generaly earnt that right from experiance. So I have to ask, who are you trying to convince here? This community or yourself?
So in other words people must have grind in order to keep their attention. That is why MMOs are such crap games. The only redeeming quality mmos have is the multiplayer aspect. As far as gameplay goes? They are all trash. Hopefully GW2 changes that.
more like.. your words.
Hmmmm.....8.7 on the hypeometer means nothing at all.
See if it's still as high a couple of months after release.....
I second the motion for a /facepalm emoticon btw.
Yes my words but take a look at why you play an mmo. Is it for the game or for the people you play with. The longest I've played a game was WoW. The only reason why I played it so long was because of the people I met and played with. If not for that I would have quit within 3 months of starting it. The gameplay itself (and I've found in almost every other mmo as well) is pretty craptacular. They keep you playing with the illusion of character progression, and almost always its done with grinding out the time played.
One question: who gives a crap about what game does (or doesn't) kill WoW? Waiting for a "WoW-killer" is like waiting for the next jagoff to get more Twitter followers than Lady Gaga.
Blizzard has done a brilliant job at keeping their fan base interested in their game... they continue to add more shiny keys to the keyring they endlessly jangle in front of an infantile playerbase. I don't mean that to be insulting. What I mean is that WoW is a game that is perfect for those who would otherwise have no interest in playing an MMO.
GW2 will simply not attract the VAST majority of WoW players... ever. It will attract a more sophisticated MMO player... and that's probably a good thing.
Here is a list of all the games that have better hype/ rating than WoW:
Guild Wars 2
Fantasy
ArenaNet
unknown
free
8.72
Atlantica Online
Fantasy
NDoors In..
10/30/08
Item Mall
8.32
EVE Online
Sci-Fi
CCP Games
05/06/03
$14.95
8.31
Lord of the Rings Online
Fantasy
Turbine, ..
04/24/07
$14.99
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Can anybody remember how high Aion was on the hype meter before release? I think it was over 9? Am I wrong?
Please don't do this... WoW needs to exist so the wow-tards have somewhere away from [games I like].
Please stop with this nonsense...
I want gw2 to succeed of course, but like a good club, too many people ruins the dancefloor
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