Like other people have said you already payed a subscription, are you saying that when it said free to play you thought "I can now play the whole game free". Free to play is a gimmick to get a playerbase in games like this, it draws people in and tempts them to subscribe or spend a bit of cash, it also increases population which keeps a lot of people happy.
Originally posted by Gdemami Originally posted by ironlevi you have to buy access to the "quest packs" through the store, or pay a regular sub again.
You had no problem paying sub for 2 years so what's your beef now?
Mind boggling.
Exactly. OP can't put up $15 bucks to continue playing? Really? If you really want to keep playing you will. Since you already have everything unlocked basically, all you do is just resub as if the game didn't add the FTP option. It's not rocket science. Turbine isn't at fault here. Matter of fact, they've GIVEN you a whole 22 levels to play through for FREE. That's pretty good.
People need to stop thinking they are going to get to play all the way through high quality games for free.
I don't know when this super cheapskate attitude hit gamers but it is fairly disgusting (and is the reason all the titles are switching to a cash shop model in the first place which is very unfortunate). Stop being cheap and pay for entertainment that you want to enjoy. If you keep going around thinking you'll find this awesome game that you never have to put a cent into, well you are going to be searching for a long time.
The real thing that this now provides is that you can sub to the game for a while, like you normally would, and save up the points. Then once you have enough points buy the content/class/whatever things you need to play the game exactly how you were while paying but now for free.
I logged into Bree on Landroval yesterday just to see how long it would take me to encounter one of the FTPers. I was just barely inside the gate when "Slugmaster" ran past me. Yeah, this'll be great.
"Soloists and those who prefer small groups should never have to feel like they''re the ones getting the proverbial table scraps, as it were." - Scott Hartsman, Senior Producer, Everquest II "People love groups. Its a fallacy that people want to play solo all the time." - Scott Hartsman, Executive Producer, Rift
I logged into Bree on Landroval yesterday just to see how long it would take me to encounter one of the FTPers. I was just barely inside the gate when "Slugmaster" ran past me. Yeah, this'll be great.
Well, there are some nasty slugs in middle earth. I'm a bit relieved to know they have a master.
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Originally posted by EricDanie AFAIK before you didn't have a plethora of functional cash shop items to spend with, so the subscriber is at a loss even if you get 500 monthly TPs.
So is there no way to level past 20, or is it that you just can't do quests in that level range?
You just cant do quests, or instances in those later zones.
But I think you can complete enough deeds to earn the points to purchase those zones!
But the OP has already admited to buying the game AND the expansions, which means these places wouldnt be locked. And if they were he would have the points to unlock them... so you can make of the OP what you will
It is my understanding that all current and former subs will be receiving TP's based on their months of sub. It just looks like they have not gotten that part added yet. So, it is my guess that those points would be enough to get quest packs or whatever minimal things are needed to play through most everything.
Even if they didn't do that, it sure seems like this is a case of you just cannot please everyone. I think that the Lotro free to play is probably the best deal out there in the F2P world. Some people just think that F2P some how means the company went to a non-profit charitable organization model or something. Give me a break! They are in this to make money. They give you 20 - 25 levels to enjoy the game, make you shell out small amounts of money to continue playing, then they give you a whole bunch of other stuff. Heck they even give you a way to earn points in the game.
Some people have absolutely NO gratitude. How many MMO's have you created?.... 0? How many MMO's have you moved from a sub model to a F2P model?.... 0? How many months has it been since Turbine rolled out the Lotro F2P? .... It has been a few days. Maybe you should give them a little slack to fine tune everything... or just go hunt for some other completely F2P game where you don't have to spend anything unless the company comes to you personally and asks your permission if you think it is ok that they charge for their product first.
Do you have any experience with F2P games? I only tried Allods and Runes of Magic and both are worse by miles.
Yes you need to buy questpacks, but you only need to buy them once and they are for all characters of you on all servers. Its kinda obvious how that will save you money compared to havign to buy decurse scrolls for your gear every time you die or find a new item, or upgrade every new items for 10$ or more in the store.
I played a bunch of F2P games and it is true, LOTRO is better than any of them. However do every single one I played not charge money for quests chains in the open world, there is only one other F2P game that does that: EQ2X.
I said it before: SOE and Turbine are doing this the wrong way.
Pay for extra classes and races? Sure. Gear and cosmetic things? Of course. Pots? Fine. I even go so far so I say that access certain dungeons could be sold. But not quests in the open world, max level or for being able to use certain gear (that is EQ2X mind you but I complain about both of them).
If Turbine did similar to Runes of Magic things would be fine but now they are sinking a good game. I am sure that many people will try the game out but I doubt Turbine will earn money on this in the long run. They had a pretty nice game with acceptable population and should have been happy with that or they should have made a better shop.
I logged into Bree on Landroval yesterday just to see how long it would take me to encounter one of the FTPers. I was just barely inside the gate when "Slugmaster" ran past me. Yeah, this'll be great.
You know, SOEs idea of having the F2P players on different servers might not be such a bad idea...
Originally posted by sadeyx Oh yes, and I just realised that its not even the 10'th yet, so he cant be a completly Free to Play player at all xDits obviously some attempt to discredit the game, haha.. some people eh?
Well, that's not technically correct. People who Beta tested the FTP in the last few months get early access as do some of the people who got the keys the other day that were handed out on this site and a few other sites.
I've been seeing quite a few "new" players just there for the FTP. Most of them are enjoying it. The only ones complaining are like the OP, either they are rushing through the content or they just don't want to pay any type of money for any part of the game. Thankfully, there aren't a lot like that.
So is there no way to level past 20, or is it that you just can't do quests in that level range?
You just cant do quests, or instances in those later zones.
But I think you can complete enough deeds to earn the points to purchase those zones!
But the OP has already admited to buying the game AND the expansions, which means these places wouldnt be locked. And if they were he would have the points to unlock them... so you can make of the OP what you will
It doesnt matter if you bought SOA or not. You either sub or you dont do the content. Its been stated here time and again that with SOA you only rented the content in the form of a sub fee. Take off the T glasses for a bit and read.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
To the OP just to clear things up here there is no such thing as F2P!!! All any of these mmo developers do is add some free trial content and then make the game al a cart where you pay for everything and end up paying more than the $15 per month. I advise the OP and anyone thinking about playing LORTO now if you don't want to pay the $15 don't bother playing at all.
Originally posted by Loke666 I played a bunch of F2P games and it is true, LOTRO is better than any of them. However do every single one I played not charge money for quests chains in the open world, there is only one other F2P game that does that: EQ2X. I said it before: SOE and Turbine are doing this the wrong way. Pay for extra classes and races? Sure. Gear and cosmetic things? Of course. Pots? Fine. I even go so far so I say that access certain dungeons could be sold. But not quests in the open world, max level or for being able to use certain gear (that is EQ2X mind you but I complain about both of them). If Turbine did similar to Runes of Magic things would be fine but now they are sinking a good game. I am sure that many people will try the game out but I doubt Turbine will earn money on this in the long run. They had a pretty nice game with acceptable population and should have been happy with that or they should have made a better shop.
It is not the same to start the game as F2P and switch from P2P to F2P.
Anyway, locking out paid content is no issues unless you keep an option to reach it without fees. At the end, that is the difference between F2P and endless trial.
I logged into Bree on Landroval yesterday just to see how long it would take me to encounter one of the FTPers. I was just barely inside the gate when "Slugmaster" ran past me. Yeah, this'll be great.
You know, SOEs idea of having the F2P players on different servers might not be such a bad idea...
Landroval was always the unofficial RP Server, but once Turbine started offering free trials, the immersion factor started to wane. That's why I could see the writing on the wall when they announced their new pricing structure. Tolkien wasn't a god (in fact, not even one of my favorite authors), but I expected Turbine to be more careful with an IP based on his works. They should have made an updated Asheron's Call instead of licensing Middle Earth.
But, then again, no one asked me.
"Soloists and those who prefer small groups should never have to feel like they''re the ones getting the proverbial table scraps, as it were." - Scott Hartsman, Senior Producer, Everquest II "People love groups. Its a fallacy that people want to play solo all the time." - Scott Hartsman, Executive Producer, Rift
I logged into Bree on Landroval yesterday just to see how long it would take me to encounter one of the FTPers. I was just barely inside the gate when "Slugmaster" ran past me. Yeah, this'll be great.
Well, there are some nasty slugs in middle earth. I'm a bit relieved to know they have a master.
It has been a few months since I played. I left off with a Rune Keeper at lvl 21 in the Lone lands, when I logged into the f2p yesterday the game told me I would have to pay for Lon lands quests, but that was not the case, I was able to play and do and get quests?
Thanks. I don't mind paying for content at all if I like the game. Would just like it to be easy pressure and not arm-twisting. DDO does it well.
I would much rather pay for content than be force to buy items to keep up with other people.
See, one is asking you to buy more content if you like the game. Basically, is this game fun, do you want to continue?
The other one is like, you suck, and the payers that pay are gonna one shot you. Usually you have to buy scrolls or something that has a 10% chance of working, and failure breaks your stuff. Then you are just gambling your money away for a cheap thrill.
So even if I had purchased MoM, I dont have access to it unless I subscribe to the game? I really dont understand but would like to ask that before I dive right back into playing this game again.
I've said this before. If you never want to use the cash shop, at least Everquest II allows you to progress through the game (until you have to buy the latest expansion), whereas Turbine's game literally forces you to use the cash shop.
The problem with EQ2 is it really pushes a subscription fee on the players in order to get some of the restrictions removed, but Turbine's cash shop gives the players a bit more freedom in what they wish to unlock with their money.
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AFAIK before you didn't have a plethora of functional cash shop items to spend with, so the subscriber is at a loss even if you get 500 monthly TPs.
Like other people have said you already payed a subscription, are you saying that when it said free to play you thought "I can now play the whole game free". Free to play is a gimmick to get a playerbase in games like this, it draws people in and tempts them to subscribe or spend a bit of cash, it also increases population which keeps a lot of people happy.
NOTHING is free.
You had no problem paying sub for 2 years so what's your beef now?
Mind boggling.
Exactly. OP can't put up $15 bucks to continue playing? Really? If you really want to keep playing you will. Since you already have everything unlocked basically, all you do is just resub as if the game didn't add the FTP option. It's not rocket science. Turbine isn't at fault here. Matter of fact, they've GIVEN you a whole 22 levels to play through for FREE. That's pretty good.
People need to stop thinking they are going to get to play all the way through high quality games for free.
I don't know when this super cheapskate attitude hit gamers but it is fairly disgusting (and is the reason all the titles are switching to a cash shop model in the first place which is very unfortunate). Stop being cheap and pay for entertainment that you want to enjoy. If you keep going around thinking you'll find this awesome game that you never have to put a cent into, well you are going to be searching for a long time.
The real thing that this now provides is that you can sub to the game for a while, like you normally would, and save up the points. Then once you have enough points buy the content/class/whatever things you need to play the game exactly how you were while paying but now for free.
I logged into Bree on Landroval yesterday just to see how long it would take me to encounter one of the FTPers. I was just barely inside the gate when "Slugmaster" ran past me. Yeah, this'll be great.
"Soloists and those who prefer small groups should never have to feel like they''re the ones getting the proverbial table scraps, as it were." - Scott Hartsman, Senior Producer, Everquest II
"People love groups. Its a fallacy that people want to play solo all the time." - Scott Hartsman, Executive Producer, Rift
You just cant do quests, or instances in those later zones.
Well, there are some nasty slugs in middle earth. I'm a bit relieved to know they have a master.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Err...like?
But I think you can complete enough deeds to earn the points to purchase those zones!
But the OP has already admited to buying the game AND the expansions, which means these places wouldnt be locked. And if they were he would have the points to unlock them... so you can make of the OP what you will
OP and other complainers...
It is my understanding that all current and former subs will be receiving TP's based on their months of sub. It just looks like they have not gotten that part added yet. So, it is my guess that those points would be enough to get quest packs or whatever minimal things are needed to play through most everything.
Even if they didn't do that, it sure seems like this is a case of you just cannot please everyone. I think that the Lotro free to play is probably the best deal out there in the F2P world. Some people just think that F2P some how means the company went to a non-profit charitable organization model or something. Give me a break! They are in this to make money. They give you 20 - 25 levels to enjoy the game, make you shell out small amounts of money to continue playing, then they give you a whole bunch of other stuff. Heck they even give you a way to earn points in the game.
Some people have absolutely NO gratitude. How many MMO's have you created?.... 0? How many MMO's have you moved from a sub model to a F2P model?.... 0? How many months has it been since Turbine rolled out the Lotro F2P? .... It has been a few days. Maybe you should give them a little slack to fine tune everything... or just go hunt for some other completely F2P game where you don't have to spend anything unless the company comes to you personally and asks your permission if you think it is ok that they charge for their product first.
I played a bunch of F2P games and it is true, LOTRO is better than any of them. However do every single one I played not charge money for quests chains in the open world, there is only one other F2P game that does that: EQ2X.
I said it before: SOE and Turbine are doing this the wrong way.
Pay for extra classes and races? Sure. Gear and cosmetic things? Of course. Pots? Fine. I even go so far so I say that access certain dungeons could be sold. But not quests in the open world, max level or for being able to use certain gear (that is EQ2X mind you but I complain about both of them).
If Turbine did similar to Runes of Magic things would be fine but now they are sinking a good game. I am sure that many people will try the game out but I doubt Turbine will earn money on this in the long run. They had a pretty nice game with acceptable population and should have been happy with that or they should have made a better shop.
its obviously some attempt to discredit the game, haha.. some people eh?
You know, SOEs idea of having the F2P players on different servers might not be such a bad idea...
Well, that's not technically correct. People who Beta tested the FTP in the last few months get early access as do some of the people who got the keys the other day that were handed out on this site and a few other sites.
I've been seeing quite a few "new" players just there for the FTP. Most of them are enjoying it. The only ones complaining are like the OP, either they are rushing through the content or they just don't want to pay any type of money for any part of the game. Thankfully, there aren't a lot like that.
It doesnt matter if you bought SOA or not. You either sub or you dont do the content. Its been stated here time and again that with SOA you only rented the content in the form of a sub fee. Take off the T glasses for a bit and read.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
My thought is that there must be a way to access all content, even if not paying would result to doing something distasteful like grinding.
If there is a free to play option it must allow one to play the game for free, albeit with certain humps in the road.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
To the OP just to clear things up here there is no such thing as F2P!!! All any of these mmo developers do is add some free trial content and then make the game al a cart where you pay for everything and end up paying more than the $15 per month. I advise the OP and anyone thinking about playing LORTO now if you don't want to pay the $15 don't bother playing at all.
It is not the same to start the game as F2P and switch from P2P to F2P.
Anyway, locking out paid content is no issues unless you keep an option to reach it without fees. At the end, that is the difference between F2P and endless trial.
Landroval was always the unofficial RP Server, but once Turbine started offering free trials, the immersion factor started to wane. That's why I could see the writing on the wall when they announced their new pricing structure. Tolkien wasn't a god (in fact, not even one of my favorite authors), but I expected Turbine to be more careful with an IP based on his works. They should have made an updated Asheron's Call instead of licensing Middle Earth.
But, then again, no one asked me.
"Soloists and those who prefer small groups should never have to feel like they''re the ones getting the proverbial table scraps, as it were." - Scott Hartsman, Senior Producer, Everquest II
"People love groups. Its a fallacy that people want to play solo all the time." - Scott Hartsman, Executive Producer, Rift
HAHAHAHA!!! Now that was funny!
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It has been a few months since I played. I left off with a Rune Keeper at lvl 21 in the Lone lands, when I logged into the f2p yesterday the game told me I would have to pay for Lon lands quests, but that was not the case, I was able to play and do and get quests?
Thanks. I don't mind paying for content at all if I like the game. Would just like it to be easy pressure and not arm-twisting. DDO does it well.
I would much rather pay for content than be force to buy items to keep up with other people.
See, one is asking you to buy more content if you like the game. Basically, is this game fun, do you want to continue?
The other one is like, you suck, and the payers that pay are gonna one shot you. Usually you have to buy scrolls or something that has a 10% chance of working, and failure breaks your stuff. Then you are just gambling your money away for a cheap thrill.
Two completely different feelings.
So even if I had purchased MoM, I dont have access to it unless I subscribe to the game? I really dont understand but would like to ask that before I dive right back into playing this game again.
Also, what does SoA stand for?
I've said this before. If you never want to use the cash shop, at least Everquest II allows you to progress through the game (until you have to buy the latest expansion), whereas Turbine's game literally forces you to use the cash shop.
The problem with EQ2 is it really pushes a subscription fee on the players in order to get some of the restrictions removed, but Turbine's cash shop gives the players a bit more freedom in what they wish to unlock with their money.