I already bought the whole game once. For them to charge me, again, to play certain parts of it is why I'm not coming back. To expect that from the people that have already bought it is nuts.
Good game, great detail, good ideas. I'm not paying for content more than once. Sorry you changed your business model; my money goes elsewhere.
Wow am I glad i don't have to deal with end users on a daily basis at my job.
I spoze I do get some dumb level 1 people on helpdesks tho.
I am quite surprised that they offer +stat items. Such as "Tome of Vitality" , permanantly adds 10 points to vitality, and each corrosponding tome for other stats. I thought the mmorpg communtiy would have had an absolute fit over lotro going pay to win.
Edit: I am not so sure how these work, can anyone explain? Seems that they may not be cumulitive, and can be obtained from loot.
The stat tomes are a loot drop, but are very rare, I believe.
So most people go the easy way and just spend points on them.
Okay, pre-F2P I had purchased LoTRO and both x-pacs. If I resub now as a free player, will I need to purchase quest packs?
If you sign into your old account as a free player, you will be considered a "Premium Account" - you will have slightly more character slots and a higher gold limit, and yes you will have to unlock the SoA (original game) side quests (Everybody gets the Epic Quests for free), but you will not have to unlock the MoM or SoM quests as they are already tied to your account. Hope this helps!
(and another way to think of it for people not clear on the idea, you were renting the game before, just like people are only renting playing time in WoW right now - with Turbine's new model people have the option of either renting or owning with different up-front or long-term costs depending on your preference)
Sadly, EU players, in the very last minutes before launch, found out that they have to wait for gods know how much longer because Codemasters (who run the game in EU) failed to adjust their account systems for the store. And, shamelessly, they keep trying to tell us that they didn't know about it until the launch day.
I foresee the same end for EU LOTRO as DDO had not so long ago.
Okay, pre-F2P I had purchased LoTRO and both x-pacs. If I resub now as a free player, will I need to purchase quest packs?
Not sure what you mean by "resub now as a free player", since if you resub you're not a free player any more!
If you resub, you will have access to everything in game while you are subscribed.
If you don't resub and want to play for free, you have access to quests in the starting zones and the Moria and Mirkwood zones - but the zones in between, you will need either a subscription or a one-off payment to access the quests for.
Be nice ppl and don't join this crap. Let wallet bros and turbine f2p die fast. very fast.
so some real game co can collect this nice IP and make some real game, real MMO.
I hope there will be soon big wave of still blue-eyed fanboyz who will see the truth of f2p.
You mean youre upset that you cant play the game 100% for free? Turbine has been the only actual one who has made a fair and balanced free-to-play setup with not one, but two of their games. Go try games like Allods Online and you will see the difference.
I returned today to my old characters, from when I played a year ago. They are all still there, my stuffs all there, and I can hop into both Moria and Mirkwood (I previously bought them) and play as though I had never left. The only two things I am missing are swift travel and Monster play, neither of which are a huge deal to me.
Also Turbine is granting Turbine points for all previously completed deeds. So between my two level 60 characters and some lowbies, I actually had around 400 Turbine Points given to me free to use on whatever I wanted thanks to their old deeds. I used that to buy one of the Lone Lands quest pack so I can make a new character and get to know the game again,
Had to create an account just to clear up some misconceptions here:
If you've purchased the game before, had let your subscription lapse (and are not a Lifer), then you are NOT repurchasing content as some try to paint it. Imagine LOTRO was still P2P. Imagine you'd taken break, but now wanted to return to LOTRO. Ah, but guess what, you'd have to pay a subscription fee for each month you wanted to enjoy the content. Are you repurchasing content in this scenario? Nope.
But LOTRO is f2p hybrid. You've taken a break from LOTRO, but now want to come back. Well, you don't have to pay anything right away. That's better than P2P right there. Okay, but you want some of the midlevel content. Well, you then have to pay a one time fee to access it, and not an ongoing subscription like you had to in P2P. That is also better than P2P. These one-time fees are access fees that replace the subscription fee you'd be paying otherwise.
Of course if you want to subscribe, you still can do that as well.
Sadly, EU players, in the very last minutes before launch, found out that they have to wait for gods know how much longer because Codemasters (who run the game in EU) failed to adjust their account systems for the store. And, shamelessly, they keep trying to tell us that they didn't know about it until the launch day.
I foresee the same end for EU LOTRO as DDO had not so long ago.
I think you may be right . I suspect Codemasters arn't happy about Turbine making the game free to play and are secretly in talks to reach an agreement that will lead to Turbine taking it over in a few months . This is just conjecture though but I bet I'm right and we wont see Lotro free to play in Europe untill they make a deal . I thought something like this was on the cards when i read that Turbine were adding servers and Codemasters did'nt. I fear Codemasters never had any intention of releasing a free to play version of Lotro .Long term that might be a good think I would rather have Turbine anyday .
Sadly, EU players, in the very last minutes before launch, found out that they have to wait for gods know how much longer because Codemasters (who run the game in EU) failed to adjust their account systems for the store. And, shamelessly, they keep trying to tell us that they didn't know about it until the launch day.
I foresee the same end for EU LOTRO as DDO had not so long ago.
Whatever. A few years ago (well, in the days of EQ) were the lag to play on a server on another continent pretty high. Today the difference is not that big and it is getting smaller as time pass. I played EQ2 on a US server for 3 1/2 years now without any problem, I do in fact get better ping on it than on the EU server.
I am not sure region servers are actually needed, I think they soon will be split up by language in the future instead.
Sadly, EU players, in the very last minutes before launch, found out that they have to wait for gods know how much longer because Codemasters (who run the game in EU) failed to adjust their account systems for the store. And, shamelessly, they keep trying to tell us that they didn't know about it until the launch day.
I foresee the same end for EU LOTRO as DDO had not so long ago.
I think you may be right . I suspect Codemasters arn't happy about Turbine making the game free to play and are secretly in talks to reach an agreement that will lead to Turbine taking it over in a few months . This is just conjecture though but I bet I'm right and we wont see Lotro free to play in Europe untill they make a deal . I thought something like this was on the cards when i read that Turbine were adding servers and Codemasters did'nt. I fear Codemasters never had any intention of releasing a free to play version of Lotro .Long term that might be a good think I would rather have Turbine anyday .
Codemasters have said they are opening the same amount of new servers as Turibne (4) and that the servers are ready to go up.
Why wouldnt CM be happy for F2P if it means more players and more money? They wanted to do it for DDO aswell but Atari (who was the publisher for DDO Europe) stopped it.
Turbine delayed the launch with 1 month for DDO F2P in US less than a week before launch because they were not ready.
CM dont have the previouse experience and now are forced to do the same thing Turbine had to 1 year ago.
It sucks, but crazy conspiracy theories doesnt help...
If WoW = The Beatles and WAR = Led Zeppelin Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
just installed it some days ago but ill remove it again before i play it.
in no way i support these kind of f2p, were you have to buy every bit of stuff.
i'd rather pay a mutch higher prize for a game AND a monthly fee before i support these funfree f2p models, that companies like gamigo, turbine, gpotato, ... try to establish in the gamers community.
give it 4 weeks free gametime with ALL content to let people see if its a game, that the player likes.
then take a monthly fee, take even a distro purchase prize, but never, never sell items like backpacks, quests or dmg stuff in a cash shop.
I'm looking forward to this, but i've still been waiting for any signs of life from Turbines' customer support center.
I have the game downloaded and ready to go, but i'm still trying to figure out how to create a LOTR online account 'without' a product key.
I was able to use the same login as my D&D online account, which is still active and payed for, but it seems this whole switch to P2P has seriously thrown a wrench into their system somewhere.
Regarding Codemasters. As Papadam said, they are also opening new servers, I don't know how many but I know of at least one german and one english.
In the light of Codemasters having been delayed, they have also opened up all old accounts so people can play for free.
This means if you are a former subscriber (or just had a trial) with Codemasters and you were looking to return for f2p, you can actually still return and play for free, except you still get all the old content. If I was bold, I would say that is a better deal than the 'real' f2p vresion :P
So I think it is fair to say the Codemasters are trying to make amends.
I think it is important to let people know, in the midst of all this doom and gloom
just installed it some days ago but ill remove it again before i play it.
in no way i support these kind of f2p, were you have to buy every bit of stuff.
i'd rather pay a mutch higher prize for a game AND a monthly fee before i support these funfree f2p models, that companies like gamigo, turbine, gpotato, ... try to establish in the gamers community.
give it 4 weeks free gametime with ALL content to let people see if its a game, that the player likes.
then take a monthly fee, take even a distro purchase prize, but never, never sell items like backpacks, quests or dmg stuff in a cash shop.
i say no to these f2p ripoff models
You realize you can STILL pay a subscription to LOTRO and not really have to worry about the turbine store?
Sadly, EU players, in the very last minutes before launch, found out that they have to wait for gods know how much longer because Codemasters (who run the game in EU) failed to adjust their account systems for the store. And, shamelessly, they keep trying to tell us that they didn't know about it until the launch day.
I foresee the same end for EU LOTRO as DDO had not so long ago.
I think you may be right . I suspect Codemasters arn't happy about Turbine making the game free to play and are secretly in talks to reach an agreement that will lead to Turbine taking it over in a few months . This is just conjecture though but I bet I'm right and we wont see Lotro free to play in Europe untill they make a deal . I thought something like this was on the cards when i read that Turbine were adding servers and Codemasters did'nt. I fear Codemasters never had any intention of releasing a free to play version of Lotro .Long term that might be a good think I would rather have Turbine anyday .
Codemasters have said they are opening the same amount of new servers as Turibne (4) and that the servers are ready to go up.
Why wouldnt CM be happy for F2P if it means more players and more money? They wanted to do it for DDO aswell but Atari (who was the publisher for DDO Europe) stopped it.
Turbine delayed the launch with 1 month for DDO F2P in US less than a week before launch because they were not ready.
CM dont have the previouse experience and now are forced to do the same thing Turbine had to 1 year ago.
It sucks, but crazy conspiracy theories doesnt help...
Time will tell I guess . If i said aliens had taken over Codemasters now that would be a crazy conspiracy theory ( joke ) . As I said its just conjecture but I would'nt be suprised if something more is going on . Codemasters did handle this badly they released the news to the internet press before putting out any official word so its left a lot of uncertaintly in the community . Looking at in game chat on the ooc channel plenty of people think the same thing and the other rumour going around is that Europe wont get it untill 2011 or even 2012 . Codemasters if they do intend to release free to play need to clarify the situation and give some sort of time scale and keep the gaming community better informed . Any other buisness would be condemed for acting in such a way so what makes a gaming company any different .
Sadly, EU players, in the very last minutes before launch, found out that they have to wait for gods know how much longer because Codemasters (who run the game in EU) failed to adjust their account systems for the store. And, shamelessly, they keep trying to tell us that they didn't know about it until the launch day.
I foresee the same end for EU LOTRO as DDO had not so long ago.
I think you may be right . I suspect Codemasters arn't happy about Turbine making the game free to play and are secretly in talks to reach an agreement that will lead to Turbine taking it over in a few months . This is just conjecture though but I bet I'm right and we wont see Lotro free to play in Europe untill they make a deal . I thought something like this was on the cards when i read that Turbine were adding servers and Codemasters did'nt. I fear Codemasters never had any intention of releasing a free to play version of Lotro .Long term that might be a good think I would rather have Turbine anyday .
Codemasters have said they are opening the same amount of new servers as Turibne (4) and that the servers are ready to go up.
Why wouldnt CM be happy for F2P if it means more players and more money? They wanted to do it for DDO aswell but Atari (who was the publisher for DDO Europe) stopped it.
Turbine delayed the launch with 1 month for DDO F2P in US less than a week before launch because they were not ready.
CM dont have the previouse experience and now are forced to do the same thing Turbine had to 1 year ago.
It sucks, but crazy conspiracy theories doesnt help...
Time will tell I guess . If i said aliens had taken over Codemasters now that would be a crazy conspiracy theory ( joke ) . As I said its just conjecture but I would'nt be suprised if something more is going on . Codemasters did handle this badly they released the news to the internet press before putting out any official word so its left a lot of uncertaintly in the community . Looking at in game chat on the ooc channel plenty of people think the same thing and the other rumour going around is that Europe wont get it untill 2011 or even 2012 . Codemasters if they do intend to release free to play need to clarify the situation and give some sort of time scale and keep the gaming community better informed . Any other buisness would be condemed for acting in such a way so what makes a gaming company any different .
It was announced by CM before it went to the press. They have given a time scale (hopefully by the end of the month) and explained the situation in a long post and activated old events and running welcome back week untill F2P is ready.
If some people are spreading false rumors then so be it, this is the internet.
Just check the CM dev tracker and you will find the facts.
If WoW = The Beatles and WAR = Led Zeppelin Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
Regarding Codemasters. As Papadam said, they are also opening new servers, I don't know how many but I know of at least one german and one english.
In the light of Codemasters having been delayed, they have also opened up all old accounts so people can play for free.
This means if you are a former subscriber (or just had a trial) with Codemasters and you were looking to return for f2p, you can actually still return and play for free, except you still get all the old content. If I was bold, I would say that is a better deal than the 'real' f2p vresion :P
So I think it is fair to say the Codemasters are trying to make amends.
I think it is important to let people know, in the midst of all this doom and gloom
That's true!
It's pretty sad EU version got delayed, but reactivating "Welcome back weeks" until we get the update is a very nice thing Codemasters did imo.
K, it's the same content for p2p players, but for new players who are waiting to play lotro for free free (with quests in lone-land/ND/...), it's their chance now!:)
It just tickles me that the 'SAY NO TO F2P' lot are basing it seems all their 'information' with LOTRO on the F2P market as a whole - LOTRO is vastly a different system to all the easten 'gimped at high end if you don't pay more then the normal monthly sub' system.
THIS is the game you should be supporting if you don't like the current 'popular' F2P model (and Guild Wars TBH buy-to-play is also just as good), by supporting LOTRO (and DDO) 'on mass' you'll incur the 'WoW effect' again, implanting in all devs minds that if they want money out of their Free to play games then Turbine's hybrid model with the '100% playable high end without paying' free side is the way to go.
Turbine's price models are the fairest I've seen so far, so just put down your pitchforks and torches and look at their system compared to the market atm, it's a good evoloution to what we have atm, by not supporting LORTO/DDO the fleecing will still continue with the current models as just by 'not playing' you are not really stating 'how' you would prefer your F2P models to be - Turbine is currently the ideal version, it's that simple
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Wow am I glad i don't have to deal with end users on a daily basis at my job.
I spoze I do get some dumb level 1 people on helpdesks tho.
Looks like i will not be playing!
Their web site is pathetic, there is no obvious way to log in!
The stat tomes are a loot drop, but are very rare, I believe.
So most people go the easy way and just spend points on them.
Okay, pre-F2P I had purchased LoTRO and both x-pacs. If I resub now as a free player, will I need to purchase quest packs?
he meant if u in past brought mom u need to brought them again .
If you sign into your old account as a free player, you will be considered a "Premium Account" - you will have slightly more character slots and a higher gold limit, and yes you will have to unlock the SoA (original game) side quests (Everybody gets the Epic Quests for free), but you will not have to unlock the MoM or SoM quests as they are already tied to your account. Hope this helps!
(and another way to think of it for people not clear on the idea, you were renting the game before, just like people are only renting playing time in WoW right now - with Turbine's new model people have the option of either renting or owning with different up-front or long-term costs depending on your preference)
Sadly, EU players, in the very last minutes before launch, found out that they have to wait for gods know how much longer because Codemasters (who run the game in EU) failed to adjust their account systems for the store. And, shamelessly, they keep trying to tell us that they didn't know about it until the launch day.
I foresee the same end for EU LOTRO as DDO had not so long ago.
Not sure what you mean by "resub now as a free player", since if you resub you're not a free player any more!
If you resub, you will have access to everything in game while you are subscribed.
If you don't resub and want to play for free, you have access to quests in the starting zones and the Moria and Mirkwood zones - but the zones in between, you will need either a subscription or a one-off payment to access the quests for.
Be nice ppl and don't join this crap. Let wallet bros and turbine f2p die fast. very fast.
so some real game co can collect this nice IP and make some real game, real MMO.
I hope there will be soon big wave of still blue-eyed fanboyz who will see the truth of f2p.
Please, tell what "real game co." means...
You mean youre upset that you cant play the game 100% for free? Turbine has been the only actual one who has made a fair and balanced free-to-play setup with not one, but two of their games. Go try games like Allods Online and you will see the difference.
I returned today to my old characters, from when I played a year ago. They are all still there, my stuffs all there, and I can hop into both Moria and Mirkwood (I previously bought them) and play as though I had never left. The only two things I am missing are swift travel and Monster play, neither of which are a huge deal to me.
Also Turbine is granting Turbine points for all previously completed deeds. So between my two level 60 characters and some lowbies, I actually had around 400 Turbine Points given to me free to use on whatever I wanted thanks to their old deeds. I used that to buy one of the Lone Lands quest pack so I can make a new character and get to know the game again,
All in all im fairly impressed.
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Had to create an account just to clear up some misconceptions here:
If you've purchased the game before, had let your subscription lapse (and are not a Lifer), then you are NOT repurchasing content as some try to paint it. Imagine LOTRO was still P2P. Imagine you'd taken break, but now wanted to return to LOTRO. Ah, but guess what, you'd have to pay a subscription fee for each month you wanted to enjoy the content. Are you repurchasing content in this scenario? Nope.
But LOTRO is f2p hybrid. You've taken a break from LOTRO, but now want to come back. Well, you don't have to pay anything right away. That's better than P2P right there. Okay, but you want some of the midlevel content. Well, you then have to pay a one time fee to access it, and not an ongoing subscription like you had to in P2P. That is also better than P2P. These one-time fees are access fees that replace the subscription fee you'd be paying otherwise.
Of course if you want to subscribe, you still can do that as well.
Thank you for reading.
I think you may be right . I suspect Codemasters arn't happy about Turbine making the game free to play and are secretly in talks to reach an agreement that will lead to Turbine taking it over in a few months . This is just conjecture though but I bet I'm right and we wont see Lotro free to play in Europe untill they make a deal . I thought something like this was on the cards when i read that Turbine were adding servers and Codemasters did'nt. I fear Codemasters never had any intention of releasing a free to play version of Lotro .Long term that might be a good think I would rather have Turbine anyday .
Whatever. A few years ago (well, in the days of EQ) were the lag to play on a server on another continent pretty high. Today the difference is not that big and it is getting smaller as time pass. I played EQ2 on a US server for 3 1/2 years now without any problem, I do in fact get better ping on it than on the EU server.
I am not sure region servers are actually needed, I think they soon will be split up by language in the future instead.
Codemasters have said they are opening the same amount of new servers as Turibne (4) and that the servers are ready to go up.
Why wouldnt CM be happy for F2P if it means more players and more money? They wanted to do it for DDO aswell but Atari (who was the publisher for DDO Europe) stopped it.
Turbine delayed the launch with 1 month for DDO F2P in US less than a week before launch because they were not ready.
CM dont have the previouse experience and now are forced to do the same thing Turbine had to 1 year ago.
It sucks, but crazy conspiracy theories doesnt help...
If WoW = The Beatles
and WAR = Led Zeppelin
Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
just installed it some days ago but ill remove it again before i play it.
in no way i support these kind of f2p, were you have to buy every bit of stuff.
i'd rather pay a mutch higher prize for a game AND a monthly fee before i support these funfree f2p models, that companies like gamigo, turbine, gpotato, ... try to establish in the gamers community.
give it 4 weeks free gametime with ALL content to let people see if its a game, that the player likes.
then take a monthly fee, take even a distro purchase prize, but never, never sell items like backpacks, quests or dmg stuff in a cash shop.
i say no to these f2p ripoff models
I'm looking forward to this, but i've still been waiting for any signs of life from Turbines' customer support center.
I have the game downloaded and ready to go, but i'm still trying to figure out how to create a LOTR online account 'without' a product key.
I was able to use the same login as my D&D online account, which is still active and payed for, but it seems this whole switch to P2P has seriously thrown a wrench into their system somewhere.
Regarding Codemasters. As Papadam said, they are also opening new servers, I don't know how many but I know of at least one german and one english.
In the light of Codemasters having been delayed, they have also opened up all old accounts so people can play for free.
This means if you are a former subscriber (or just had a trial) with Codemasters and you were looking to return for f2p, you can actually still return and play for free, except you still get all the old content. If I was bold, I would say that is a better deal than the 'real' f2p vresion :P
So I think it is fair to say the Codemasters are trying to make amends.
I think it is important to let people know, in the midst of all this doom and gloom
You realize you can STILL pay a subscription to LOTRO and not really have to worry about the turbine store?
Time will tell I guess . If i said aliens had taken over Codemasters now that would be a crazy conspiracy theory ( joke ) . As I said its just conjecture but I would'nt be suprised if something more is going on . Codemasters did handle this badly they released the news to the internet press before putting out any official word so its left a lot of uncertaintly in the community . Looking at in game chat on the ooc channel plenty of people think the same thing and the other rumour going around is that Europe wont get it untill 2011 or even 2012 . Codemasters if they do intend to release free to play need to clarify the situation and give some sort of time scale and keep the gaming community better informed . Any other buisness would be condemed for acting in such a way so what makes a gaming company any different .
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how dare you how dare you. Master Tolkien shall turn in a grave. Damn you.
It was announced by CM before it went to the press. They have given a time scale (hopefully by the end of the month) and explained the situation in a long post and activated old events and running welcome back week untill F2P is ready.
If some people are spreading false rumors then so be it, this is the internet.
Just check the CM dev tracker and you will find the facts.
If WoW = The Beatles
and WAR = Led Zeppelin
Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
That's true!
It's pretty sad EU version got delayed, but reactivating "Welcome back weeks" until we get the update is a very nice thing Codemasters did imo.
K, it's the same content for p2p players, but for new players who are waiting to play lotro for free free (with quests in lone-land/ND/...), it's their chance now!:)
Welcome back weeks > F2P model
[FONT="Verdana"][SIZE="1"][COLOR="SandyBrown"]Lotro:[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE="1"][COLOR="Wheat"]Rolhad[/COLOR] - [COLOR="Wheat"]The Nine[/COLOR] - [COLOR="Wheat"]Evernight[/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE]
It just tickles me that the 'SAY NO TO F2P' lot are basing it seems all their 'information' with LOTRO on the F2P market as a whole - LOTRO is vastly a different system to all the easten 'gimped at high end if you don't pay more then the normal monthly sub' system.
THIS is the game you should be supporting if you don't like the current 'popular' F2P model (and Guild Wars TBH buy-to-play is also just as good), by supporting LOTRO (and DDO) 'on mass' you'll incur the 'WoW effect' again, implanting in all devs minds that if they want money out of their Free to play games then Turbine's hybrid model with the '100% playable high end without paying' free side is the way to go.
Turbine's price models are the fairest I've seen so far, so just put down your pitchforks and torches and look at their system compared to the market atm, it's a good evoloution to what we have atm, by not supporting LORTO/DDO the fleecing will still continue with the current models as just by 'not playing' you are not really stating 'how' you would prefer your F2P models to be - Turbine is currently the ideal version, it's that simple
Bring on the WARRRRGGHH!
Might as well DL this and give it a go...
See how far I get with a free account.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP