Something noone seems to be mentioning is that it is physically possible to get all the content in the game with out paying a cent. it will cost you time though. In DDO there were a few groups of people that were devoted to completely unlocking the game with out paying a dime. IIRC, some of them had it down to a method of making over 100 TP an hour consitently. The game setup for LotRO is slightly different, but I don't think it will be too long before we see an efficient method of making TP.
I am glad I get to keep my adventure pack and xpac content...but I still think it's ridiculous that I get nearly nothing for the $50.00 box set I bought 2 years ago should I choose to go premium. We should at least get the quest content. I can (kind of) understand if they shave back the original traits..bank and wardrobe slots ..among other things....then resell them in the shop but at the least the quests should remain. Any future content would of course be store bought. Oh well..it's their game.
Is 50.-$ what you payed for 2 years in total ?
If so, i'd say its very cheap.
Or have you payed a monthly fee too ?
You wont know, what i pumped into Anarchy Online already because i love the game and want to see it going and improving, but i have serveral accounts there anyways, so its above the normal what i pay for that game, and im very fine with it since years.
I have tried many F2P MMO's and most of them suck! LotRO, however, is different. Most F2P games just expect you to pay just to even enjoy it. LotRo is different because even if you have to take a break from paying, Turbine is still leniant and you can still do a ton of stuff.
I have to say that I am actually impressed with this F2P/P2P hybrid. As soon as I can get a job, I would be glad to get MoM, SoM and maybe some VIP access. Hell if they still do it, I would try to buy a lifetime subscription as well as the expansions.
I have tried many F2P MMO's and most of them suck! LotRO, however, is different. Most F2P games just expect you to pay just to even enjoy it. LotRo is different because even if you have to take a break from paying, Turbine is still leniant and you can still do a ton of stuff.
I have to say that I am actually impressed with this F2P/P2P hybrid. As soon as I can get a job, I would be glad to get MoM, SoM and maybe some VIP access. Hell if they still do it, I would try to buy a lifetime subscription as well as the expansions.
u kidding me right ?
theire whole F2P is a joke. Lotro store is total rip off. The GAME IS FREE FROM LVL 1 - 16 . after that, you wont be able to accept any quest.
so you either grind mobs that gives low xp forcing you either cough up 7 bucks for 1 quest pack. or give in and get a regular 15 sub and get the whole thing open up for you.
I am glad I get to keep my adventure pack and xpac content...but I still think it's ridiculous that I get nearly nothing for the $50.00 box set I bought 2 years ago should I choose to go premium. We should at least get the quest content. I can (kind of) understand if they shave back the original traits..bank and wardrobe slots ..among other things....then resell them in the shop but at the least the quests should remain. Any future content would of course be store bought. Oh well..it's their game.
Is 50.-$ what you payed for 2 years in total ?
If so, i'd say its very cheap.
Or have you payed a monthly fee too ?
You wont know, what i pumped into Anarchy Online already because i love the game and want to see it going and improving, but i have serveral accounts there anyways, so its above the normal what i pay for that game, and im very fine with it since years.
$50.00 is for the digital download of the original Shadows of Angmar. Then $15.00 a month for several months off and on.(I guess since Oct.2007) on top of the expansions and adventurers pack (maybe $80 for the 3) There were some months I didnt sub. I haven't even touched any higher level content because I usually end up roaming around where I can..talking to other players and the occasional quest thrown in. My highest level character is only 23rd level..lol. Just been taking it really..really...slow.
It's not really a free game. Many other games have tried this pay model, where you can play for free through the lower levels but have to pay to experience the rest of the content. It never works.
Actually, every game I can think of that's done this, no longer exists. The exception behind Cartoon Network's MMO which still exists (it's empty, but playable) though they opted to go completely F2P eventually.
Honestly, either go the DDO route, or stick to a subscription. At least with DDO I could play to level cap even if it meant not getting to do all of the quests. There never came a time where my friends were higher than me and I could no longer play with them.
"Forums aren't for intelligent discussion; they're for blow-hards with unwavering opinions."
I think its pretty cool to be honest. It is by far the best game with a free to play option on the market right now. I know a lot of people are upset and seem to be mis-representing the facts when it comes to the quest packs but in the end its not that big of a deal.
MMO's have never been about the software or the game itself; they have always been about the sub fee. Why do you think, if you have purchased the game once, you can go and download the game itself. Even when you originally buy the game you are buying the subscription key; the software just saves you from a massive download.
Think of the quests packs this way: You pay roughly $17 bucks for a one time download of content that, for a casual player, will take a good while to play through on ONE character. But now, you own it forever and can play through it several times over several months...for a one time charge versus a repeating $15.
In addition, you can wait and purchase the content as you need it. Heck, with starting over, I may not need the content for several weeks so I will wait and purchase it when I need it; instead of paying $15 a month for it even when I cannot use it yet.
I think the new system is great and is highly customizable for each player. Its about options. And if you don't like, pay the $15 fee like you always have and be done with it.
You make good points. I just think that if they treat the xpacs like content you have already purchased...which also come with a product key...then why is the content of the original box not treated the same way. Just my opinion that past quest content that you have purchased should be include. Then ..now that I am writng this..I am thinking that the boxed set is included...and what we are really paying for is all the past updates that contained new quests. Now that makes more sense I guess. lol.
You are paying for ACCESS. You are not re-purchasing anything. How hard is that to understand? How much access to the game did you have when you took a break and weren't paying a subscription? That's right, zero access. You still had purchased the game for 50$ Why not complain then? The one time fee to access the content in the f2p model is just like the subcription fee you'd pay if you resubbed. Except now in the f2p you don't have to continue paying the access fee. If people weren't so hell-bent on feeling slighted, they'd see what a good deal this actually is.
And yes, MoM and Mirkwood were given free access. Are you complaining that Turbine is being generous?
Their f2p pay model is pretty good actually. I play with my wife casualy, and for the price of two months sub, we bought three areas of content (roughly 300 quests), mounts, and the removal of the gold cap. Since we only play limited hours a week, It could take us 3 - 4 months or longer to go through it. We already own the expansions, so we should be able to play straight to the level cap whenever we like, and without spending any more money.
If we were to start up new alts, there would be a few gaps in low level content that we would have to grind through, but with rest xp, its not so bad. But I guess I like the fact that I can keep going back to a great game whenever I like, and not worry about wasting money on unused time.
@ gaeanprayer, nothing is free. However, if you like grinding mobs, you can hit the level cap in lotro with spending a dime.
My only problem with the F2P system is the cost of the quest packs. If you were to buy all quest packs for the level 20 areas, you would be spending almost as much, if not more, than you would simply by subscribing for a month.
I think its pretty cool to be honest. It is by far the best game with a free to play option on the market right now. I know a lot of people are upset and seem to be mis-representing the facts when it comes to the quest packs but in the end its not that big of a deal.
MMO's have never been about the software or the game itself; they have always been about the sub fee. Why do you think, if you have purchased the game once, you can go and download the game itself. Even when you originally buy the game you are buying the subscription key; the software just saves you from a massive download.
Think of the quests packs this way: You pay roughly $17 bucks for a one time download of content that, for a casual player, will take a good while to play through on ONE character. But now, you own it forever and can play through it several times over several months...for a one time charge versus a repeating $15.
In addition, you can wait and purchase the content as you need it. Heck, with starting over, I may not need the content for several weeks so I will wait and purchase it when I need it; instead of paying $15 a month for it even when I cannot use it yet.
I think the new system is great and is highly customizable for each player. Its about options. And if you don't like, pay the $15 fee like you always have and be done with it.
You make good points. I just think that if they treat the xpacs like content you have already purchased...which also come with a product key...then why is the content of the original box not treated the same way. Just my opinion that past quest content that you have purchased should be include. Then ..now that I am writng this..I am thinking that the boxed set is included...and what we are really paying for is all the past updates that contained new quests. Now that makes more sense I guess. lol.
You are paying for ACCESS. You are not re-purchasing anything. How hard is that to understand? How much access to the game did you have when you took a break and weren't paying a subscription? That's right, zero access. You still had purchased the game for 50$ Why not complain then? The one time fee to access the content in the f2p model is just like the subcription fee you'd pay if you resubbed. Except now in the f2p you don't have to continue paying the access fee. If people weren't so hell-bent on feeling slighted, they'd see what a good deal this actually is.
And yes, MoM and Mirkwood were given free access. Are you complaining that Turbine is being generous?
Damn dude.Take a pill. I am giving my opinion. Nothing more. I understand perfectly that the $15.00 montlhy fee was paying for access to their servers..hence..the game. I am merely of the opinion that the initial content/quests that were offered with the initial box set (sans any updates ) should be included if I already bought the $50.00 box (which is not merely access to the game...but a product itself). Having not started an alt since the headstart....I may discover that initial content is the included and the store packs would merely be all the updated questing.That's all I'm trying to say. I still play the game. I don't hold a grudge or feel slighted. Just stateing an opinion that you(obviously)..and yes many others don't agree with. Have a great day. Enjoy LOTRO. I still am.. despite perceptions otherwise.
My only problem with the F2P system is the cost of the quest packs. If you were to buy all quest packs for the level 20 areas, you would be spending almost as much, if not more, than you would simply by subscribing for a month.
So pay the VIP monthly fee which gives you all this for the same price as monthly subscription if you enjoy the game enough to play it on more than a casual basis which allows you access to all the conten tbut if you only want to play on casual basis maybe on the side of your main mmo and hit that wall and dont want to grind to get free access to that content for free pick want you want to play and make a micro payment and slowly pay throught the content at your leasure . The Hybrid model gives you the power and freedom to play as you want and never pay more than you would a normal mmo subscription . Tis pretty simple and easy to understand .
Dont believe all this f2play negativity superxero89 most of the people that are against it don't understand that theres a huge difference between the hybrid model and the asian cash shop model or have vested interests . Truth is a lot of them are worried thier p2p game of choice will suddenly die when this game changer takes hold . Theres only really one mass appeal fantasy game that needs to worry about this movement .
The way the mmo industry funds itself is changing . I think it will not be applied to games that are a few years old but new games as well .
The furture is either the Guild Wars buy to play model or the Hybrid DDO model or the EvE earn to play model .
I think its pretty cool to be honest. It is by far the best game with a free to play option on the market right now. I know a lot of people are upset and seem to be mis-representing the facts when it comes to the quest packs but in the end its not that big of a deal.
MMO's have never been about the software or the game itself; they have always been about the sub fee. Why do you think, if you have purchased the game once, you can go and download the game itself. Even when you originally buy the game you are buying the subscription key; the software just saves you from a massive download.
Think of the quests packs this way: You pay roughly $17 bucks for a one time download of content that, for a casual player, will take a good while to play through on ONE character. But now, you own it forever and can play through it several times over several months...for a one time charge versus a repeating $15.
In addition, you can wait and purchase the content as you need it. Heck, with starting over, I may not need the content for several weeks so I will wait and purchase it when I need it; instead of paying $15 a month for it even when I cannot use it yet.
I think the new system is great and is highly customizable for each player. Its about options. And if you don't like, pay the $15 fee like you always have and be done with it.
You make good points. I just think that if they treat the xpacs like content you have already purchased...which also come with a product key...then why is the content of the original box not treated the same way. Just my opinion that past quest content that you have purchased should be include. Then ..now that I am writng this..I am thinking that the boxed set is included...and what we are really paying for is all the past updates that contained new quests. Now that makes more sense I guess. lol.
You are paying for ACCESS. You are not re-purchasing anything. How hard is that to understand? How much access to the game did you have when you took a break and weren't paying a subscription? That's right, zero access. You still had purchased the game for 50$ Why not complain then? The one time fee to access the content in the f2p model is just like the subcription fee you'd pay if you resubbed. Except now in the f2p you don't have to continue paying the access fee. If people weren't so hell-bent on feeling slighted, they'd see what a good deal this actually is.
And yes, MoM and Mirkwood were given free access. Are you complaining that Turbine is being generous?
Damn dude.Take a pill. I am giving my opinion. Nothing more. I understand perfectly that the $15.00 montlhy fee was paying for access to their servers..hence..the game. I am merely of the opinion that the initial content/quests that were offered with the initial box set (sans any updates ) should be included if I already bought the $50.00 box (which is not merely access to the game...but a product itself). Having not started an alt since the headstart..may discover inital content is the included content.. That's all. I still play the game. I don't hold a grudge or feel slighted. Just stateing an opinion that you(obviously)..and yes many others don't agree with. Have a great day. Enjoy LOTRO.
Listen, no one is angry at you. Sorry I hurt your feelings. But hiding behind the oft touted, seemingly unassailable 'internet opinion' doesn't pass muster when there are people who are deliberately mischaracterizing the f2p model as 're-purchasing'. If they were to give access to all quest content for free, then how does Turbine pay the bills? That's like saying, during the P2P days, I want to play the game, but I don't want to pay a subscription because I already paid $50 for the box. I guess what you're looking for is the Guild Wars model? Now if that is what some people really want, then that is a valid argument to make.
I think its pretty cool to be honest. It is by far the best game with a free to play option on the market right now. I know a lot of people are upset and seem to be mis-representing the facts when it comes to the quest packs but in the end its not that big of a deal.
MMO's have never been about the software or the game itself; they have always been about the sub fee. Why do you think, if you have purchased the game once, you can go and download the game itself. Even when you originally buy the game you are buying the subscription key; the software just saves you from a massive download.
Think of the quests packs this way: You pay roughly $17 bucks for a one time download of content that, for a casual player, will take a good while to play through on ONE character. But now, you own it forever and can play through it several times over several months...for a one time charge versus a repeating $15.
In addition, you can wait and purchase the content as you need it. Heck, with starting over, I may not need the content for several weeks so I will wait and purchase it when I need it; instead of paying $15 a month for it even when I cannot use it yet.
I think the new system is great and is highly customizable for each player. Its about options. And if you don't like, pay the $15 fee like you always have and be done with it.
You make good points. I just think that if they treat the xpacs like content you have already purchased...which also come with a product key...then why is the content of the original box not treated the same way. Just my opinion that past quest content that you have purchased should be include. Then ..now that I am writng this..I am thinking that the boxed set is included...and what we are really paying for is all the past updates that contained new quests. Now that makes more sense I guess. lol.
You are paying for ACCESS. You are not re-purchasing anything. How hard is that to understand? How much access to the game did you have when you took a break and weren't paying a subscription? That's right, zero access. You still had purchased the game for 50$ Why not complain then? The one time fee to access the content in the f2p model is just like the subcription fee you'd pay if you resubbed. Except now in the f2p you don't have to continue paying the access fee. If people weren't so hell-bent on feeling slighted, they'd see what a good deal this actually is.
And yes, MoM and Mirkwood were given free access. Are you complaining that Turbine is being generous?
Damn dude.Take a pill. I am giving my opinion. Nothing more. I understand perfectly that the $15.00 montlhy fee was paying for access to their servers..hence..the game. I am merely of the opinion that the initial content/quests that were offered with the initial box set (sans any updates ) should be included if I already bought the $50.00 box (which is not merely access to the game...but a product itself). Having not started an alt since the headstart..may discover inital content is the included content.. That's all. I still play the game. I don't hold a grudge or feel slighted. Just stateing an opinion that you(obviously)..and yes many others don't agree with. Have a great day. Enjoy LOTRO.
Listen, no one is angry at you. Sorry I hurt your feelings. But hiding behind the oft touted, seemingly unassailable 'internet opinion' doesn't pass muster when there are people who are deliberately mischaracterizing the f2p model as 're-purchasing'. If they were to give access to all quest content for free, then how does Turbine pay the bills? That's like saying, during the P2P days, I want to play the game, but I don't want to pay a subscription because I already paid $50 for the box. I guess what you're looking for is the Guild Wars model? Now if that is what some people really want, then that is a valid argument to make.
You don't have the ability to hurt my feelings.lol. It's often touted and does "fly" because it IS opinion. What someone likes or dislikes IS opinion. Now..the only thing that I consider a rebuy is the original box set and content as advertised as far as available areas..just like the xpacs content is available to me because I purchased it already. Charge me for other things like bank/character slots....mounts ..unpaid past updates and future content..fine.... ..but on day one of the original launch ..after installing LOTRO...If I could go over and talk to Dwarf "X" and get a quest...then I should be able to now as well. If Dwarf"x" was not available then send me to the store.
I guess it's just as simple as this...though I'm not unhappy that xpac quests are available if you've already purchased them prior(who would be)...I don't see why they didn't follow this example and include the base queststhat came with the original box. I'd be willing to bet that the majority of the profits they make in DDO and now this game are from moslty fluff items...weapons..consumables or quickly upgradable items...and not one time quest pack purchases. So I don't understand why deny that one thing as far as content. That's all I'm saying. I'm not screaming for people to leave the game because of one minor issue..on the contrary I've always recommended the game to anyone I could and that will not stop.
You don't have the ability to hurt my feelings.lol. It's often touted and does "fly" because it IS opinion. What someone likes or dislikes IS opinion. Now..the only thing that I consider a rebuy is the original box set and content as advertised as far as available areas..just like the xpacs content is available to me because I purchased it already. Charge me for other things like bank/character slots....mounts ..unpaid past updates and future content..fine.... ..but on day one of the original launch ..after installing LOTRO...If I could go over and talk to Dwarf "X" and get a quest...then I should be able to now as well. If Dwarf"x" was not available then send me to the store.
I guess it's just as simple as this...though I'm not unhappy that xpac quests are available if you've already purchased them prior(who would be)...I don't see why they didn't follow this example and include the base queststhat came with the original box. I'd be willing to bet that the majority of the profits they make in DDO and now this game are from moslty fluff items...weapons..consumables or quickly upgradable items...and not one time quest pack purchases. So I don't understand why deny that one thing as far as content. That's all I'm saying. I'm not screaming for people to leave the game because of one minor issue..on the contrary I've always recommended the game to anyone I could and that will not stop.
I think your points are valid BarCrow.
I am on the fence about LotRO as well. I purchased the original box at release and played for a few months with a subscription. I left the game, came back after buying the first expac and left again. I feel hard done buy thinking that if I came back now as a F2A player, I'd have to buy locked content I could do at release with the purchase of the original box.
Yes, the subscription gives access in the old model, and I wouldn't be able to play at all without one, but then what was buying the original box for, if not to play all of the original content once a subscription was paid?
That's what I don't like about Turbine's schemes for returning players. Unless someone never bought the original game, it's great. If someone bought the original game, it is in fact paying for content you probably already played through with the old payment model. Sure, I could unlock it forever and ever with the a la carte method, but fact still remains that those players who paid the 40 euros or so on the original box are ending up paying 40 euros more than someone starting out with the F2A game today.
That's what I dislike about this payment model change and in my view, there is no way it can be a rational change especially in light of what you mentioned in your post with the expacs. The fact that people here are saying it's ok has me scratching my head in puzzlement. If someone loves the game so much they don't care that they paid 40 euros more for no reason than someone starting the game fresh today as a F2A player, that's fine. But don't be hard on us players who don't think it's a good way of handling things because it doesn't make sense.
I agree it is unfortunate that those that paid 50$ for the SoA box don't have anything to show for it besides Premium status. But you have to be realistic about these things, because the going rate for SoA is no longer 50$ but 5$. And 5$ for access to all the content of the original game(without a subscription and as long as the game exists) is just a ridiculous thing to ask for. I mean yeah sure its doable, but Turbine would have to get the money elsewhere from us, so we would still end up paying. Kinda reminds me of the old saying "You can have any discount you want, you just have to tell me how much you want so i can add it to the baseprice before".
Your 50$ have been spend on a game 3 years ago and you where never promised access to the content without a subscription. Its a clean slate now, you want access to the content you either subscribe again(which was the original deal you had with turbine, box + subscription = get content, they honor that), or you pay for it(which is a new way, pay for content = get content, without subscription). The difference between your purchase back then and your purchase now is that this time you get assured access to the content without a subscription.
It might look as if the original purchase of SoA and the current questpacks are related, but really they are two different things. One was a purchase tied to a subscription(like phone companies do with mobiles), and the other is a purchase not tied to a subscription. Most people are just understandably ticked off since the current model is a much better bang for your buck. Because 50$ +15$ per month is a much worse deal than buying all the zones once for 100$ and be done forver.
But really content + required subscription is obviously something different than just content.
Btw did you notice how i avoided the whole discussion wether you actually bought the content? Thats entirely seperate from what i wrote here, and something i don't really see gaining any ground in the discussion here(or elsewhere).
Looks like I may have been right all after all about Codemasters not wanting free to play . Can't link anything or disclose my source but if what I'm hearing is correct expect an annoucement within the next few weeks along the lines that Codemasters don't feel they are set up to deal with the numbers of people who will want free to play and the European servers being merged with the Turbine ones .
Dunno how true this is but knowing the source this is comeing from I'm inclined to believe it .
You don't have the ability to hurt my feelings.lol. It's often touted and does "fly" because it IS opinion. What someone likes or dislikes IS opinion. Now..the only thing that I consider a rebuy is the original box set and content as advertised as far as available areas..just like the xpacs content is available to me because I purchased it already. Charge me for other things like bank/character slots....mounts ..unpaid past updates and future content..fine.... ..but on day one of the original launch ..after installing LOTRO...If I could go over and talk to Dwarf "X" and get a quest...then I should be able to now as well. If Dwarf"x" was not available then send me to the store.
I guess it's just as simple as this...though I'm not unhappy that xpac quests are available if you've already purchased them prior(who would be)...I don't see why they didn't follow this example and include the base queststhat came with the original box. I'd be willing to bet that the majority of the profits they make in DDO and now this game are from moslty fluff items...weapons..consumables or quickly upgradable items...and not one time quest pack purchases. So I don't understand why deny that one thing as far as content. That's all I'm saying. I'm not screaming for people to leave the game because of one minor issue..on the contrary I've always recommended the game to anyone I could and that will not stop.
I think your points are valid BarCrow.
I am on the fence about LotRO as well. I purchased the original box at release and played for a few months with a subscription. I left the game, came back after buying the first expac and left again. I feel hard done buy thinking that if I came back now as a F2A player, I'd have to buy locked content I could do at release with the purchase of the original box.
Yes, the subscription gives access in the old model, and I wouldn't be able to play at all without one, but then what was buying the original box for, if not to play all of the original content once a subscription was paid?
That's what I don't like about Turbine's schemes for returning players. Unless someone never bought the original game, it's great. If someone bought the original game, it is in fact paying for content you probably already played through with the old payment model. Sure, I could unlock it forever and ever with the a la carte method, but fact still remains that those players who paid the 40 euros or so on the original box are ending up paying 40 euros more than someone starting out with the F2A game today.
That's what I dislike about this payment model change and in my view, there is no way it can be a rational change especially in light of what you mentioned in your post with the expacs. The fact that people here are saying it's ok has me scratching my head in puzzlement. If someone loves the game so much they don't care that they paid 40 euros more for no reason than someone starting the game fresh today as a F2A player, that's fine. But don't be hard on us players who don't think it's a good way of handling things because it doesn't make sense.
Finally... someone who understands what I'm trying to say without accusing me in some way...of trashing turbine. It's like you can't disagree with certain things about a game and not be accused of trying to besmirch it as a whole. I agree with your comments as well. The model works well in DDO...which was always set up as a series of instanced quests. It works for me..you didnt really lose anything ..especially one you bought all the modules/adventure packs....but it is very easy to spend money..quickly..if you're not careful.lol. Looking for sales I may have spent about $70 total for all the DDO packs up til now. I've probably spent 3x that amount on other stuff over the time I've played.
Anyway...once I start a new alt I may find that all the original quests ARE included...and only the updated quests I had access to as a sub will require re-purchasing. That's fine with me. Both this game and DDO are going to become fallback games anyway..as I have started to really enjoy AoC and Fallen Earth....and then there is DCUO and SW:TOR coming . The latter of which will likley be my new perma-game. Then theres the WOW expansion coming...but I am really having a hard time imagining I will even bother..though I have enjoyed myself with WOW...I think it's run it's course .Who knows...so much to do so little time.
In the end I must welcome the turbine free2play models...because there will always be at least 2 MMOs I can play for free and actually enjoy ( that is to say...I will have 2 F2p MMos to play once I re-purchase the LOTRO SOA quests.).
I agree it is unfortunate that those that paid 50$ for the SoA box don't have anything to show for it besides Premium status. But you have to be realistic about these things, because the going rate for SoA is no longer 50$ but 5$. And 5$ for access to all the content of the original game(without a subscription and as long as the game exists) is just a ridiculous thing to ask for. I mean yeah sure its doable, but Turbine would have to get the money elsewhere from us, so we would still end up paying. Kinda reminds me of the old saying "You can have any discount you want, you just have to tell me how much you want so i can add it to the baseprice before".
Your 50$ have been spend on a game 3 years ago and you where never promised access to the content without a subscription. Its a clean slate now, you want access to the content you either subscribe again(which was the original deal you had with turbine, box + subscription = get content, they honor that), or you pay for it(which is a new way, pay for content = get content, without subscription). The difference between your purchase back then and your purchase now is that this time you get assured access to the content without a subscription.
It might look as if the original purchase of SoA and the current questpacks are related, but really they are two different things. One was a purchase tied to a subscription(like phone companies do with mobiles), and the other is a purchase not tied to a subscription. Most people are just understandably ticked off since the current model is a much better bang for your buck. Because 50$ +15$ per month is a much worse deal than buying all the zones once for 100$ and be done forver.
But really content + required subscription is obviously something different than just content.
Btw did you notice how i avoided the whole discussion wether you actually bought the content? Thats entirely seperate from what i wrote here, and something i don't really see gaining any ground in the discussion here(or elsewhere).
Very good points. My posts have always been based purely on my dislike of one minor aspect of how Turbine counts te original...out of the box..quests from SOA. I still love the game and realize they can't actually just give it all away for free..despite the F2P changeover. I know I will likely go back and gobble up all the quests..just to know they will be there whenever I log on to enjoy LOTRO again...which I hope I will be capable of doing for years to come.
I think its pretty cool to be honest. It is by far the best game with a free to play option on the market right now. I know a lot of people are upset and seem to be mis-representing the facts when it comes to the quest packs but in the end its not that big of a deal.
MMO's have never been about the software or the game itself; they have always been about the sub fee. Why do you think, if you have purchased the game once, you can go and download the game itself. Even when you originally buy the game you are buying the subscription key; the software just saves you from a massive download.
Think of the quests packs this way: You pay roughly $17 bucks for a one time download of content that, for a casual player, will take a good while to play through on ONE character. But now, you own it forever and can play through it several times over several months...for a one time charge versus a repeating $15.
In addition, you can wait and purchase the content as you need it. Heck, with starting over, I may not need the content for several weeks so I will wait and purchase it when I need it; instead of paying $15 a month for it even when I cannot use it yet.
I think the new system is great and is highly customizable for each player. Its about options. And if you don't like, pay the $15 fee like you always have and be done with it.
You make good points. I just think that if they treat the xpacs like content you have already purchased...which also come with a product key...then why is the content of the original box not treated the same way. Just my opinion that past quest content that you have purchased should be include. Then ..now that I am writng this..I am thinking that the boxed set is included...and what we are really paying for is all the past updates that contained new quests. Now that makes more sense I guess. lol.
You are paying for ACCESS. You are not re-purchasing anything. How hard is that to understand? How much access to the game did you have when you took a break and weren't paying a subscription? That's right, zero access. You still had purchased the game for 50$ Why not complain then? The one time fee to access the content in the f2p model is just like the subcription fee you'd pay if you resubbed. Except now in the f2p you don't have to continue paying the access fee. If people weren't so hell-bent on feeling slighted, they'd see what a good deal this actually is.
And yes, MoM and Mirkwood were given free access. Are you complaining that Turbine is being generous?
Damn dude.Take a pill. I am giving my opinion. Nothing more. I understand perfectly that the $15.00 montlhy fee was paying for access to their servers..hence..the game. I am merely of the opinion that the initial content/quests that were offered with the initial box set (sans any updates ) should be included if I already bought the $50.00 box (which is not merely access to the game...but a product itself). Having not started an alt since the headstart..may discover inital content is the included content.. That's all. I still play the game. I don't hold a grudge or feel slighted. Just stateing an opinion that you(obviously)..and yes many others don't agree with. Have a great day. Enjoy LOTRO.
Listen, no one is angry at you. Sorry I hurt your feelings. But hiding behind the oft touted, seemingly unassailable 'internet opinion' doesn't pass muster when there are people who are deliberately mischaracterizing the f2p model as 're-purchasing'. If they were to give access to all quest content for free, then how does Turbine pay the bills? That's like saying, during the P2P days, I want to play the game, but I don't want to pay a subscription because I already paid $50 for the box. I guess what you're looking for is the Guild Wars model? Now if that is what some people really want, then that is a valid argument to make.
You don't have the ability to hurt my feelings.lol. It's often touted and does "fly" because it IS opinion. What someone likes or dislikes IS opinion. Now..the only thing that I consider a rebuy is the original box set and content as advertised as far as available areas..just like the xpacs content is available to me because I purchased it already. Charge me for other things like bank/character slots....mounts ..unpaid past updates and future content..fine.... ..but on day one of the original launch ..after installing LOTRO...If I could go over and talk to Dwarf "X" and get a quest...then I should be able to now as well. If Dwarf"x" was not available then send me to the store.
I guess it's just as simple as this...though I'm not unhappy that xpac quests are available if you've already purchased them prior(who would be)...I don't see why they didn't follow this example and include the base queststhat came with the original box. I'd be willing to bet that the majority of the profits they make in DDO and now this game are from moslty fluff items...weapons..consumables or quickly upgradable items...and not one time quest pack purchases. So I don't understand why deny that one thing as far as content. That's all I'm saying. I'm not screaming for people to leave the game because of one minor issue..on the contrary I've always recommended the game to anyone I could and that will not stop.
I think its pretty cool to be honest. It is by far the best game with a free to play option on the market right now. I know a lot of people are upset and seem to be mis-representing the facts when it comes to the quest packs but in the end its not that big of a deal.
MMO's have never been about the software or the game itself; they have always been about the sub fee. Why do you think, if you have purchased the game once, you can go and download the game itself. Even when you originally buy the game you are buying the subscription key; the software just saves you from a massive download.
Think of the quests packs this way: You pay roughly $17 bucks for a one time download of content that, for a casual player, will take a good while to play through on ONE character. But now, you own it forever and can play through it several times over several months...for a one time charge versus a repeating $15.
In addition, you can wait and purchase the content as you need it. Heck, with starting over, I may not need the content for several weeks so I will wait and purchase it when I need it; instead of paying $15 a month for it even when I cannot use it yet.
I think the new system is great and is highly customizable for each player. Its about options. And if you don't like, pay the $15 fee like you always have and be done with it.
You make good points. I just think that if they treat the xpacs like content you have already purchased...which also come with a product key...then why is the content of the original box not treated the same way. Just my opinion that past quest content that you have purchased should be include. Then ..now that I am writng this..I am thinking that the boxed set is included...and what we are really paying for is all the past updates that contained new quests. Now that makes more sense I guess. lol.
You are paying for ACCESS. You are not re-purchasing anything. How hard is that to understand? How much access to the game did you have when you took a break and weren't paying a subscription? That's right, zero access. You still had purchased the game for 50$ Why not complain then? The one time fee to access the content in the f2p model is just like the subcription fee you'd pay if you resubbed. Except now in the f2p you don't have to continue paying the access fee. If people weren't so hell-bent on feeling slighted, they'd see what a good deal this actually is.
And yes, MoM and Mirkwood were given free access. Are you complaining that Turbine is being generous?
Damn dude.Take a pill. I am giving my opinion. Nothing more. I understand perfectly that the $15.00 montlhy fee was paying for access to their servers..hence..the game. I am merely of the opinion that the initial content/quests that were offered with the initial box set (sans any updates ) should be included if I already bought the $50.00 box (which is not merely access to the game...but a product itself). Having not started an alt since the headstart..may discover inital content is the included content.. That's all. I still play the game. I don't hold a grudge or feel slighted. Just stateing an opinion that you(obviously)..and yes many others don't agree with. Have a great day. Enjoy LOTRO.
Listen, no one is angry at you. Sorry I hurt your feelings. But hiding behind the oft touted, seemingly unassailable 'internet opinion' doesn't pass muster when there are people who are deliberately mischaracterizing the f2p model as 're-purchasing'. If they were to give access to all quest content for free, then how does Turbine pay the bills? That's like saying, during the P2P days, I want to play the game, but I don't want to pay a subscription because I already paid $50 for the box. I guess what you're looking for is the Guild Wars model? Now if that is what some people really want, then that is a valid argument to make.
You don't have the ability to hurt my feelings.lol. It's often touted and does "fly" because it IS opinion. What someone likes or dislikes IS opinion. Now..the only thing that I consider a rebuy is the original box set and content as advertised as far as available areas..just like the xpacs content is available to me because I purchased it already. Charge me for other things like bank/character slots....mounts ..unpaid past updates and future content..fine.... ..but on day one of the original launch ..after installing LOTRO...If I could go over and talk to Dwarf "X" and get a quest...then I should be able to now as well. If Dwarf"x" was not available then send me to the store.
I guess it's just as simple as this...though I'm not unhappy that xpac quests are available if you've already purchased them prior(who would be)...I don't see why they didn't follow this example and include the base queststhat came with the original box. I'd be willing to bet that the majority of the profits they make in DDO and now this game are from moslty fluff items...weapons..consumables or quickly upgradable items...and not one time quest pack purchases. So I don't understand why deny that one thing as far as content. That's all I'm saying. I'm not screaming for people to leave the game because of one minor issue..on the contrary I've always recommended the game to anyone I could and that will not stop.
Sure what you like and dislike is opinion. Trying to characterize the mid-level content as a re-purchase, however, is not opinion, and in fact is a distortion -- sort of like when people have the opinion that lunar landings never occured. Both opinions are factually wrong. Now I guess you can STILL believe falsehoods, but then there's no point in discussing further.
What you fail to realize is that buying the box at $50 wasn't enough after the first month. You also had to buy access in the form of a subscription. The new f2p model replaces that subscription access fee with a one-time access fee. You are in no way repurchasing content, no more than you would be repurchasing content under subscription.
I think its pretty cool to be honest. It is by far the best game with a free to play option on the market right now. I know a lot of people are upset and seem to be mis-representing the facts when it comes to the quest packs but in the end its not that big of a deal.
MMO's have never been about the software or the game itself; they have always been about the sub fee. Why do you think, if you have purchased the game once, you can go and download the game itself. Even when you originally buy the game you are buying the subscription key; the software just saves you from a massive download.
Think of the quests packs this way: You pay roughly $17 bucks for a one time download of content that, for a casual player, will take a good while to play through on ONE character. But now, you own it forever and can play through it several times over several months...for a one time charge versus a repeating $15.
In addition, you can wait and purchase the content as you need it. Heck, with starting over, I may not need the content for several weeks so I will wait and purchase it when I need it; instead of paying $15 a month for it even when I cannot use it yet.
I think the new system is great and is highly customizable for each player. Its about options. And if you don't like, pay the $15 fee like you always have and be done with it.
You make good points. I just think that if they treat the xpacs like content you have already purchased...which also come with a product key...then why is the content of the original box not treated the same way. Just my opinion that past quest content that you have purchased should be include. Then ..now that I am writng this..I am thinking that the boxed set is included...and what we are really paying for is all the past updates that contained new quests. Now that makes more sense I guess. lol.
You are paying for ACCESS. You are not re-purchasing anything. How hard is that to understand? How much access to the game did you have when you took a break and weren't paying a subscription? That's right, zero access. You still had purchased the game for 50$ Why not complain then? The one time fee to access the content in the f2p model is just like the subcription fee you'd pay if you resubbed. Except now in the f2p you don't have to continue paying the access fee. If people weren't so hell-bent on feeling slighted, they'd see what a good deal this actually is.
And yes, MoM and Mirkwood were given free access. Are you complaining that Turbine is being generous?
Damn dude.Take a pill. I am giving my opinion. Nothing more. I understand perfectly that the $15.00 montlhy fee was paying for access to their servers..hence..the game. I am merely of the opinion that the initial content/quests that were offered with the initial box set (sans any updates ) should be included if I already bought the $50.00 box (which is not merely access to the game...but a product itself). Having not started an alt since the headstart..may discover inital content is the included content.. That's all. I still play the game. I don't hold a grudge or feel slighted. Just stateing an opinion that you(obviously)..and yes many others don't agree with. Have a great day. Enjoy LOTRO.
Listen, no one is angry at you. Sorry I hurt your feelings. But hiding behind the oft touted, seemingly unassailable 'internet opinion' doesn't pass muster when there are people who are deliberately mischaracterizing the f2p model as 're-purchasing'. If they were to give access to all quest content for free, then how does Turbine pay the bills? That's like saying, during the P2P days, I want to play the game, but I don't want to pay a subscription because I already paid $50 for the box. I guess what you're looking for is the Guild Wars model? Now if that is what some people really want, then that is a valid argument to make.
You don't have the ability to hurt my feelings.lol. It's often touted and does "fly" because it IS opinion. What someone likes or dislikes IS opinion. Now..the only thing that I consider a rebuy is the original box set and content as advertised as far as available areas..just like the xpacs content is available to me because I purchased it already. Charge me for other things like bank/character slots....mounts ..unpaid past updates and future content..fine.... ..but on day one of the original launch ..after installing LOTRO...If I could go over and talk to Dwarf "X" and get a quest...then I should be able to now as well. If Dwarf"x" was not available then send me to the store.
I guess it's just as simple as this...though I'm not unhappy that xpac quests are available if you've already purchased them prior(who would be)...I don't see why they didn't follow this example and include the base queststhat came with the original box. I'd be willing to bet that the majority of the profits they make in DDO and now this game are from moslty fluff items...weapons..consumables or quickly upgradable items...and not one time quest pack purchases. So I don't understand why deny that one thing as far as content. That's all I'm saying. I'm not screaming for people to leave the game because of one minor issue..on the contrary I've always recommended the game to anyone I could and that will not stop.
Sure what you like and dislike is opinion. Trying to characterize the mid-level content as a re-purchase, however, is not opinion, and in fact is a distortion -- sort of like when people have the opinion that lunar landings never occured. Both opinions are factually wrong. Now I guess you can STILL believe falsehoods, but then there's no point in discussing further.
What you fail to realize is that buying the box at $50 wasn't enough after the first month. You also had to buy access in the form of a subscription. The new f2p model replaces that subscription access fee with a one-time access fee. You are in no way repurchasing content, no more than you would be repurchasing content under subscription.
Ok man.... You have your ideas on what the $50.00 inital box included ... I have mine and the EULA can allow it to mean anything at any time regardless. No problem. We'll continue to play an excellent game ..whatever account type we choose. Have a great time.
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Something noone seems to be mentioning is that it is physically possible to get all the content in the game with out paying a cent. it will cost you time though. In DDO there were a few groups of people that were devoted to completely unlocking the game with out paying a dime. IIRC, some of them had it down to a method of making over 100 TP an hour consitently. The game setup for LotRO is slightly different, but I don't think it will be too long before we see an efficient method of making TP.
Is 50.-$ what you payed for 2 years in total ?
If so, i'd say its very cheap.
Or have you payed a monthly fee too ?
You wont know, what i pumped into Anarchy Online already because i love the game and want to see it going and improving, but i have serveral accounts there anyways, so its above the normal what i pay for that game, and im very fine with it since years.
I have tried many F2P MMO's and most of them suck! LotRO, however, is different. Most F2P games just expect you to pay just to even enjoy it. LotRo is different because even if you have to take a break from paying, Turbine is still leniant and you can still do a ton of stuff.
I have to say that I am actually impressed with this F2P/P2P hybrid. As soon as I can get a job, I would be glad to get MoM, SoM and maybe some VIP access. Hell if they still do it, I would try to buy a lifetime subscription as well as the expansions.
u kidding me right ?
theire whole F2P is a joke. Lotro store is total rip off. The GAME IS FREE FROM LVL 1 - 16 . after that, you wont be able to accept any quest.
so you either grind mobs that gives low xp forcing you either cough up 7 bucks for 1 quest pack. or give in and get a regular 15 sub and get the whole thing open up for you.
$50.00 is for the digital download of the original Shadows of Angmar. Then $15.00 a month for several months off and on.(I guess since Oct.2007) on top of the expansions and adventurers pack (maybe $80 for the 3) There were some months I didnt sub. I haven't even touched any higher level content because I usually end up roaming around where I can..talking to other players and the occasional quest thrown in. My highest level character is only 23rd level..lol. Just been taking it really..really...slow.
It's not really a free game. Many other games have tried this pay model, where you can play for free through the lower levels but have to pay to experience the rest of the content. It never works.
Actually, every game I can think of that's done this, no longer exists. The exception behind Cartoon Network's MMO which still exists (it's empty, but playable) though they opted to go completely F2P eventually.
Honestly, either go the DDO route, or stick to a subscription. At least with DDO I could play to level cap even if it meant not getting to do all of the quests. There never came a time where my friends were higher than me and I could no longer play with them.
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You are paying for ACCESS. You are not re-purchasing anything. How hard is that to understand? How much access to the game did you have when you took a break and weren't paying a subscription? That's right, zero access. You still had purchased the game for 50$ Why not complain then? The one time fee to access the content in the f2p model is just like the subcription fee you'd pay if you resubbed. Except now in the f2p you don't have to continue paying the access fee. If people weren't so hell-bent on feeling slighted, they'd see what a good deal this actually is.
And yes, MoM and Mirkwood were given free access. Are you complaining that Turbine is being generous?
Their f2p pay model is pretty good actually. I play with my wife casualy, and for the price of two months sub, we bought three areas of content (roughly 300 quests), mounts, and the removal of the gold cap. Since we only play limited hours a week, It could take us 3 - 4 months or longer to go through it. We already own the expansions, so we should be able to play straight to the level cap whenever we like, and without spending any more money.
If we were to start up new alts, there would be a few gaps in low level content that we would have to grind through, but with rest xp, its not so bad. But I guess I like the fact that I can keep going back to a great game whenever I like, and not worry about wasting money on unused time.
@ gaeanprayer, nothing is free. However, if you like grinding mobs, you can hit the level cap in lotro with spending a dime.
My only problem with the F2P system is the cost of the quest packs. If you were to buy all quest packs for the level 20 areas, you would be spending almost as much, if not more, than you would simply by subscribing for a month.
Damn dude.Take a pill. I am giving my opinion. Nothing more. I understand perfectly that the $15.00 montlhy fee was paying for access to their servers..hence..the game. I am merely of the opinion that the initial content/quests that were offered with the initial box set (sans any updates ) should be included if I already bought the $50.00 box (which is not merely access to the game...but a product itself). Having not started an alt since the headstart....I may discover that initial content is the included and the store packs would merely be all the updated questing.That's all I'm trying to say. I still play the game. I don't hold a grudge or feel slighted. Just stateing an opinion that you(obviously)..and yes many others don't agree with. Have a great day. Enjoy LOTRO. I still am.. despite perceptions otherwise.
So pay the VIP monthly fee which gives you all this for the same price as monthly subscription if you enjoy the game enough to play it on more than a casual basis which allows you access to all the conten tbut if you only want to play on casual basis maybe on the side of your main mmo and hit that wall and dont want to grind to get free access to that content for free pick want you want to play and make a micro payment and slowly pay throught the content at your leasure . The Hybrid model gives you the power and freedom to play as you want and never pay more than you would a normal mmo subscription . Tis pretty simple and easy to understand .
Dont believe all this f2play negativity superxero89 most of the people that are against it don't understand that theres a huge difference between the hybrid model and the asian cash shop model or have vested interests . Truth is a lot of them are worried thier p2p game of choice will suddenly die when this game changer takes hold . Theres only really one mass appeal fantasy game that needs to worry about this movement .
The way the mmo industry funds itself is changing . I think it will not be applied to games that are a few years old but new games as well .
The furture is either the Guild Wars buy to play model or the Hybrid DDO model or the EvE earn to play model .
The Subscription model will die within a decade.
Listen, no one is angry at you. Sorry I hurt your feelings. But hiding behind the oft touted, seemingly unassailable 'internet opinion' doesn't pass muster when there are people who are deliberately mischaracterizing the f2p model as 're-purchasing'. If they were to give access to all quest content for free, then how does Turbine pay the bills? That's like saying, during the P2P days, I want to play the game, but I don't want to pay a subscription because I already paid $50 for the box. I guess what you're looking for is the Guild Wars model? Now if that is what some people really want, then that is a valid argument to make.
You don't have the ability to hurt my feelings.lol. It's often touted and does "fly" because it IS opinion. What someone likes or dislikes IS opinion. Now..the only thing that I consider a rebuy is the original box set and content as advertised as far as available areas..just like the xpacs content is available to me because I purchased it already. Charge me for other things like bank/character slots....mounts ..unpaid past updates and future content..fine.... ..but on day one of the original launch ..after installing LOTRO...If I could go over and talk to Dwarf "X" and get a quest...then I should be able to now as well. If Dwarf"x" was not available then send me to the store.
I guess it's just as simple as this...though I'm not unhappy that xpac quests are available if you've already purchased them prior(who would be)...I don't see why they didn't follow this example and include the base queststhat came with the original box. I'd be willing to bet that the majority of the profits they make in DDO and now this game are from moslty fluff items...weapons..consumables or quickly upgradable items...and not one time quest pack purchases. So I don't understand why deny that one thing as far as content. That's all I'm saying. I'm not screaming for people to leave the game because of one minor issue..on the contrary I've always recommended the game to anyone I could and that will not stop.
I think your points are valid BarCrow.
I am on the fence about LotRO as well. I purchased the original box at release and played for a few months with a subscription. I left the game, came back after buying the first expac and left again. I feel hard done buy thinking that if I came back now as a F2A player, I'd have to buy locked content I could do at release with the purchase of the original box.
Yes, the subscription gives access in the old model, and I wouldn't be able to play at all without one, but then what was buying the original box for, if not to play all of the original content once a subscription was paid?
That's what I don't like about Turbine's schemes for returning players. Unless someone never bought the original game, it's great. If someone bought the original game, it is in fact paying for content you probably already played through with the old payment model. Sure, I could unlock it forever and ever with the a la carte method, but fact still remains that those players who paid the 40 euros or so on the original box are ending up paying 40 euros more than someone starting out with the F2A game today.
That's what I dislike about this payment model change and in my view, there is no way it can be a rational change especially in light of what you mentioned in your post with the expacs. The fact that people here are saying it's ok has me scratching my head in puzzlement. If someone loves the game so much they don't care that they paid 40 euros more for no reason than someone starting the game fresh today as a F2A player, that's fine. But don't be hard on us players who don't think it's a good way of handling things because it doesn't make sense.
Playing MUDs and MMOs since 1994.
I agree it is unfortunate that those that paid 50$ for the SoA box don't have anything to show for it besides Premium status. But you have to be realistic about these things, because the going rate for SoA is no longer 50$ but 5$. And 5$ for access to all the content of the original game(without a subscription and as long as the game exists) is just a ridiculous thing to ask for. I mean yeah sure its doable, but Turbine would have to get the money elsewhere from us, so we would still end up paying. Kinda reminds me of the old saying "You can have any discount you want, you just have to tell me how much you want so i can add it to the baseprice before".
Your 50$ have been spend on a game 3 years ago and you where never promised access to the content without a subscription. Its a clean slate now, you want access to the content you either subscribe again(which was the original deal you had with turbine, box + subscription = get content, they honor that), or you pay for it(which is a new way, pay for content = get content, without subscription). The difference between your purchase back then and your purchase now is that this time you get assured access to the content without a subscription.
It might look as if the original purchase of SoA and the current questpacks are related, but really they are two different things. One was a purchase tied to a subscription(like phone companies do with mobiles), and the other is a purchase not tied to a subscription. Most people are just understandably ticked off since the current model is a much better bang for your buck. Because 50$ +15$ per month is a much worse deal than buying all the zones once for 100$ and be done forver.
But really content + required subscription is obviously something different than just content.
Btw did you notice how i avoided the whole discussion wether you actually bought the content? Thats entirely seperate from what i wrote here, and something i don't really see gaining any ground in the discussion here(or elsewhere).
Looks like I may have been right all after all about Codemasters not wanting free to play . Can't link anything or disclose my source but if what I'm hearing is correct expect an annoucement within the next few weeks along the lines that Codemasters don't feel they are set up to deal with the numbers of people who will want free to play and the European servers being merged with the Turbine ones .
Dunno how true this is but knowing the source this is comeing from I'm inclined to believe it .
Finally... someone who understands what I'm trying to say without accusing me in some way...of trashing turbine. It's like you can't disagree with certain things about a game and not be accused of trying to besmirch it as a whole. I agree with your comments as well. The model works well in DDO...which was always set up as a series of instanced quests. It works for me..you didnt really lose anything ..especially one you bought all the modules/adventure packs....but it is very easy to spend money..quickly..if you're not careful.lol. Looking for sales I may have spent about $70 total for all the DDO packs up til now. I've probably spent 3x that amount on other stuff over the time I've played.
Anyway...once I start a new alt I may find that all the original quests ARE included...and only the updated quests I had access to as a sub will require re-purchasing. That's fine with me. Both this game and DDO are going to become fallback games anyway..as I have started to really enjoy AoC and Fallen Earth....and then there is DCUO and SW:TOR coming . The latter of which will likley be my new perma-game. Then theres the WOW expansion coming...but I am really having a hard time imagining I will even bother..though I have enjoyed myself with WOW...I think it's run it's course .Who knows...so much to do so little time.
In the end I must welcome the turbine free2play models...because there will always be at least 2 MMOs I can play for free and actually enjoy ( that is to say...I will have 2 F2p MMos to play once I re-purchase the LOTRO SOA quests.).
Very good points. My posts have always been based purely on my dislike of one minor aspect of how Turbine counts te original...out of the box..quests from SOA. I still love the game and realize they can't actually just give it all away for free..despite the F2P changeover. I know I will likely go back and gobble up all the quests..just to know they will be there whenever I log on to enjoy LOTRO again...which I hope I will be capable of doing for years to come.
what a rip off !!!!
Are there booby sliders on the female toons?
I heard that they're adding them for the female dwarves only.
Sure what you like and dislike is opinion. Trying to characterize the mid-level content as a re-purchase, however, is not opinion, and in fact is a distortion -- sort of like when people have the opinion that lunar landings never occured. Both opinions are factually wrong. Now I guess you can STILL believe falsehoods, but then there's no point in discussing further.
What you fail to realize is that buying the box at $50 wasn't enough after the first month. You also had to buy access in the form of a subscription. The new f2p model replaces that subscription access fee with a one-time access fee. You are in no way repurchasing content, no more than you would be repurchasing content under subscription.
Ok man.... You have your ideas on what the $50.00 inital box included ... I have mine and the EULA can allow it to mean anything at any time regardless. No problem. We'll continue to play an excellent game ..whatever account type we choose. Have a great time.
Just in-case some of you might have missed this, this giveaway is still applicable to your account.
http://www.mmorpg.com/giveaways.cfm/offer/25