just installed it some days ago but ill remove it again before i play it.
in no way i support these kind of f2p, were you have to buy every bit of stuff.
i'd rather pay a mutch higher prize for a game AND a monthly fee before i support these funfree f2p models, that companies like gamigo, turbine, gpotato, ... try to establish in the gamers community.
give it 4 weeks free gametime with ALL content to let people see if its a game, that the player likes.
then take a monthly fee, take even a distro purchase prize, but never, never sell items like backpacks, quests or dmg stuff in a cash shop.
i say no to these f2p ripoff models
You realize you can STILL pay a subscription to LOTRO and not really have to worry about the turbine store?
please dont missunderstand me here, it has nothing to do with the game.
its only about establishing f2p models with a cash shop, that contains game elements.
it looks like games are designed to rip people off instead of entertaining them.
just installed it some days ago but ill remove it again before i play it.
in no way i support these kind of f2p, were you have to buy every bit of stuff.
i'd rather pay a mutch higher prize for a game AND a monthly fee before i support these funfree f2p models, that companies like gamigo, turbine, gpotato, ... try to establish in the gamers community.
give it 4 weeks free gametime with ALL content to let people see if its a game, that the player likes.
then take a monthly fee, take even a distro purchase prize, but never, never sell items like backpacks, quests or dmg stuff in a cash shop.
i say no to these f2p ripoff models
You realize you can STILL pay a subscription to LOTRO and not really have to worry about the turbine store?
please dont missunderstand me here, it has nothing to do with the game.
its only about establishing f2p models with a cash shop, that contains game elements.
it looks like games are designed to rip people off instead of entertaining them.
So you think that giving stuff for free, adding less expensive option than $15/month and even giving the option to play it completly free is ripping people off?
Interesting!
If WoW = The Beatles and WAR = Led Zeppelin Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
just installed it some days ago but ill remove it again before i play it.
in no way i support these kind of f2p, were you have to buy every bit of stuff.
i'd rather pay a mutch higher prize for a game AND a monthly fee before i support these funfree f2p models, that companies like gamigo, turbine, gpotato, ... try to establish in the gamers community.
give it 4 weeks free gametime with ALL content to let people see if its a game, that the player likes.
then take a monthly fee, take even a distro purchase prize, but never, never sell items like backpacks, quests or dmg stuff in a cash shop.
i say no to these f2p ripoff models
You realize you can STILL pay a subscription to LOTRO and not really have to worry about the turbine store?
please dont missunderstand me here, it has nothing to do with the game.
its only about establishing f2p models with a cash shop, that contains game elements.
it looks like games are designed to rip people off instead of entertaining them.
So you think that giving stuff for free, adding less expensive option than $15/month and even giving the option to play it completly free is ripping people off?
Interesting!
i seriously doubt, that i will get the full content for under 15.- bucks a month.
So you think that giving stuff for free, adding less expensive option than $15/month and even giving the option to play it completly free is ripping people off?
Interesting!
I think designing raids so that you need to have bought permanent stat boosts and heal pots to get through them is a rip off, yes. And before you claim that you don't have too; I have already been kicked out of a pug Helegrod raid because I refused to buy HoT pots in the cash shop.
I already bought the whole game once. For them to charge me, again, to play certain parts of it is why I'm not coming back. To expect that from the people that have already bought it is nuts.
Good game, great detail, good ideas. I'm not paying for content more than once. Sorry you changed your business model; my money goes elsewhere.
You mean like paying $15 a month when you've already bought it?
It just tickles me that the 'SAY NO TO F2P' lot are basing it seems all their 'information' with LOTRO on the F2P market as a whole - LOTRO is vastly a different system to all the easten 'gimped at high end if you don't pay more then the normal monthly sub' system.
THIS is the game you should be supporting if you don't like the current 'popular' F2P model (and Guild Wars TBH buy-to-play is also just as good), by supporting LOTRO (and DDO) 'on mass' you'll incur the 'WoW effect' again, implanting in all devs minds that if they want money out of their Free to play games then Turbine's hybrid model with the '100% playable high end without paying' free side is the way to go.
Turbine's price models are the fairest I've seen so far, so just put down your pitchforks and torches and look at their system compared to the market atm, it's a good evoloution to what we have atm, by not supporting LORTO/DDO the fleecing will still continue with the current models as just by 'not playing' you are not really stating 'how' you would prefer your F2P models to be - Turbine is currently the ideal version, it's that simple
I agree with this completely. There's a few others that do a decent job, but the games are either mediocre or very quirky.
It just tickles me that the 'SAY NO TO F2P' lot are basing it seems all their 'information' with LOTRO on the F2P market as a whole - LOTRO is vastly a different system to all the easten 'gimped at high end if you don't pay more then the normal monthly sub' system.
THIS is the game you should be supporting if you don't like the current 'popular' F2P model (and Guild Wars TBH buy-to-play is also just as good), by supporting LOTRO (and DDO) 'on mass' you'll incur the 'WoW effect' again, implanting in all devs minds that if they want money out of their Free to play games then Turbine's hybrid model with the '100% playable high end without paying' free side is the way to go.
Turbine's price models are the fairest I've seen so far, so just put down your pitchforks and torches and look at their system compared to the market atm, it's a good evoloution to what we have atm, by not supporting LORTO/DDO the fleecing will still continue with the current models as just by 'not playing' you are not really stating 'how' you would prefer your F2P models to be - Turbine is currently the ideal version, it's that simple
It just tickles me that the 'SAY NO TO F2P' lot are basing it seems all their 'information' with LOTRO on the F2P market as a whole - LOTRO is vastly a different system to all the easten 'gimped at high end if you don't pay more then the normal monthly sub' system.
THIS is the game you should be supporting if you don't like the current 'popular' F2P model (and Guild Wars TBH buy-to-play is also just as good), by supporting LOTRO (and DDO) 'on mass' you'll incur the 'WoW effect' again, implanting in all devs minds that if they want money out of their Free to play games then Turbine's hybrid model with the '100% playable high end without paying' free side is the way to go.
Turbine's price models are the fairest I've seen so far, so just put down your pitchforks and torches and look at their system compared to the market atm, it's a good evoloution to what we have atm, by not supporting LORTO/DDO the fleecing will still continue with the current models as just by 'not playing' you are not really stating 'how' you would prefer your F2P models to be - Turbine is currently the ideal version, it's that simple
Best post of this thread.
I couldn't agree more. I am normally against most F2P models but Turbine has done a decent job so far with Lotro. I re-subbed personally and was originally a founder/long-time subscriber; so for the time being, no-one will hear me complaining about the current changes.
Basically, change happens whether one likes it or not, so it's a lot easier to adapt instead of throwing temper-tantrums; wasting time and energy.
So you think that giving stuff for free, adding less expensive option than $15/month and even giving the option to play it completly free is ripping people off?
Interesting!
I think designing raids so that you need to have bought permanent stat boosts and heal pots to get through them is a rip off, yes. And before you claim that you don't have too; I have already been kicked out of a pug Helegrod raid because I refused to buy HoT pots in the cash shop.
Honestly, that is their problem, not the game's one. And probably you wouldn't have wanted anyway to group with people who are behaving like spolied brats. Helegrod can be completed without store items.
As far as I know, Turbine did not tweek any of the instances, so Helegrod will obviously be completed without the need of any cash shop items. Just because some group says you need them, does not mean you do.
It just tickles me that the 'SAY NO TO F2P' lot are basing it seems all their 'information' with LOTRO on the F2P market as a whole - LOTRO is vastly a different system to all the easten 'gimped at high end if you don't pay more then the normal monthly sub' system.
THIS is the game you should be supporting if you don't like the current 'popular' F2P model (and Guild Wars TBH buy-to-play is also just as good), by supporting LOTRO (and DDO) 'on mass' you'll incur the 'WoW effect' again, implanting in all devs minds that if they want money out of their Free to play games then Turbine's hybrid model with the '100% playable high end without paying' free side is the way to go.
Turbine's price models are the fairest I've seen so far, so just put down your pitchforks and torches and look at their system compared to the market atm, it's a good evoloution to what we have atm, by not supporting LORTO/DDO the fleecing will still continue with the current models as just by 'not playing' you are not really stating 'how' you would prefer your F2P models to be - Turbine is currently the ideal version, it's that simple
Best post of this thread.
I couldn't agree more. I am normally against most F2P models but Turbine has done a decent job so far with Lotro. I re-subbed personally and was originally a founder/long-time subscriber; so for the time being, no-one will hear me complaining about the current changes.
Basically, change happens whether one likes it or not, so it's a lot easier to adapt instead of throwing temper-tantrums; wasting time and energy.
+1
I used to hate 'F2P' - but this is what i said recently about DDO:
"Cash Shop: I hate this in most games because of how it is run. It's run by greed. In DDO it's not. You can play 100% for free. The cash shop offers nothing you cannot 'earn' in game. Simply by playing (and completing quests) you earn Turbine Points - the same ones you can buy. So, you have a choice; buy Turbine Points, earn them or go the traditional subscription route and buypass them entirely. This hybrid model is a winner."
Just thought I would add, that even if you paid $50.00 for the Orginal box game, you will still have to buy those quests...
It costs a measly 17 bucks to purchase the three quest packs to get you through the 20-50 ranges.
After that, assuming you have MoM and SoM, you literally never need to buy anything else. Seems like a pretty meager investment for the amount of entertainment you will receive in return.
Its amazing how some ppl think
A measly 17 bucks per customer that already bought the game at retail and and a couple of months or more subscription money.those poor developers sure deserve to get payed [b]again[/b] by those customers.
Okay, pre-F2P I had purchased LoTRO and both x-pacs. If I resub now as a free player, will I need to purchase quest packs?
If you sign into your old account as a free player, you will be considered a "Premium Account" - you will have slightly more character slots and a higher gold limit, and yes you will have to unlock the SoA (original game) side quests (Everybody gets the Epic Quests for free), but you will not have to unlock the MoM or SoM quests as they are already tied to your account. Hope this helps!
(and another way to think of it for people not clear on the idea, you were renting the game before, just like people are only renting playing time in WoW right now - with Turbine's new model people have the option of either renting or owning with different up-front or long-term costs depending on your preference)
Thanks for clearing that up. Doesn't sound too bad. Got the downloader going now.
They really are catering to the F2P and returning players. A lot of content has been made easy, and if you still find some bosses hard just buy the stat tomes from the store for real money and win this game, no need to waste hours earning it in-game.
As far as I know, Turbine did not tweek any of the instances, so Helegrod will obviously be completed without the need of any cash shop items. Just because some group says you need them, does not mean you do.
Um, that's just factualy wrong. Helegrod, along with a lot of the older content, has been changed very signifigantly in that you can now scale the level of the dungeon like a skirmish. So instead of a bunch of 65s beating on a bunch of 50s, you now have a bunch of 65s fighting a bunch of 65s. That's a fairly substantial tweek. Yes, you can still play it at level 50; but to get any decent loot from it you are going to want to run it at 65.
The LOTRO P2P/F2P hybrid is the best, and I mean BEST, set of options for any MMORPG I've ever seen. I reactivated an old account that had paid for all expansions and had a great time jumping in and playing. At the same time, I created a new character on that account and had my wife make a new account to play with me (she is so casual it wasn't worth the sub price in the past). Are some of her options more limited than mine? Yes. Is this a great way for her to play casually, and if she decides she loves it some day sub? ABSOLUTELY.
Games are not designed to be free, they are designed to make money. You can use the F2P option to play MOST of the game, and if you want more, you can pay for a sub or a la cart. Anyone who cannot see how amazing this is is either daft, embittered by other F2P games, or living in denial (or a combination of the three).
It's amazing how stupid people can be because they see a word (not so different from many other real life things), and think the worst.
If someone took the time to read up on what the new system is doing, they would already be enjoying themselves. Instead, they cover their ears, close their eyes, and scream really loudly, "F2P IS THE DEVIL".
You bought the game, and got 30 days free. After that YOU PAID 15 BUCKS A MONTH to do all these quests, instances, bags, etc.
Now, you can do THE EXACT SAME THING. Or, if you prefer, you can pay (17 bucks I think was said?) once and never pay again if you so choose. You never owned the quests, or your characters when you were not paying a monthly sub.
Just thought I would add, that even if you paid $50.00 for the Orginal box game, you will still have to buy those quests...
It costs a measly 17 bucks to purchase the three quest packs to get you through the 20-50 ranges.
After that, assuming you have MoM and SoM, you literally never need to buy anything else. Seems like a pretty meager investment for the amount of entertainment you will receive in return.
Its amazing how some ppl think
A measly 17 bucks per customer that already bought the game at retail and and a couple of months or more subscription money.those poor developers sure deserve to get payed [b]again[/b] by those customers.
I hope this is snark, otherwise you haven't internalized anything said here. In the f2p model LOTRO uses, you are paying a one time fee for access to content, just like you'd be paying an ongoing subcription for access in P2P. You are not buying anything 'again' as you claim.
The way I would look at this type of hyrbid free to play is that its a really long and comprehensive free trial that you can play for tens of hours before you will ever have to pay a cent and when you do pay you can chose whether you want to pay a standard subscription or you if your playing casually you can chose to pay for what you want when you want . Its the best of all possible worlds .
I am glad I get to keep my adventure pack and xpac content...but I still think it's ridiculous that I get nearly nothing for the $50.00 box set I bought 2 years ago should I choose to go premium. We should at least get the quest content. I can (kind of) understand if they shave back the original traits..bank and wardrobe slots ..among other things....then resell them in the shop but at the least the quests should remain. Any future content would of course be store bought. Oh well..it's their game.
I think its pretty cool to be honest. It is by far the best game with a free to play option on the market right now. I know a lot of people are upset and seem to be mis-representing the facts when it comes to the quest packs but in the end its not that big of a deal.
MMO's have never been about the software or the game itself; they have always been about the sub fee. Why do you think, if you have purchased the game once, you can go and download the game itself. Even when you originally buy the game you are buying the subscription key; the software just saves you from a massive download.
Think of the quests packs this way: You pay roughly $17 bucks for a one time download of content that, for a casual player, will take a good while to play through on ONE character. But now, you own it forever and can play through it several times over several months...for a one time charge versus a repeating $15.
In addition, you can wait and purchase the content as you need it. Heck, with starting over, I may not need the content for several weeks so I will wait and purchase it when I need it; instead of paying $15 a month for it even when I cannot use it yet.
I think the new system is great and is highly customizable for each player. Its about options. And if you don't like, pay the $15 fee like you always have and be done with it.
You make good points. I just think that if they treat the xpacs like content you have already purchased...which also come with a product key...then why is the content of the original box not treated the same way. Just my opinion that past quest content that you have purchased should be include. Then ..now that I am writng this..I am thinking that the boxed set is included...and what we are really paying for is all the past updates that contained new quests. Now that makes more sense I guess. lol.
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please dont missunderstand me here, it has nothing to do with the game.
its only about establishing f2p models with a cash shop, that contains game elements.
it looks like games are designed to rip people off instead of entertaining them.
So you think that giving stuff for free, adding less expensive option than $15/month and even giving the option to play it completly free is ripping people off?
Interesting!
If WoW = The Beatles
and WAR = Led Zeppelin
Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
Follow this free Turbine coins: quest guide, kill guide, rep guide.
http://lotro.mmorsel.com/p/tpfinder.html?zd=Bree-land&tab=1
i seriously doubt, that i will get the full content for under 15.- bucks a month.
If you p2p(and become a VIP player), you will.
$23.34 for a gamecard (= +-12$ a month)
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I think designing raids so that you need to have bought permanent stat boosts and heal pots to get through them is a rip off, yes. And before you claim that you don't have too; I have already been kicked out of a pug Helegrod raid because I refused to buy HoT pots in the cash shop.
You mean like paying $15 a month when you've already bought it?
You mean the My Account link in the upper right hand of the page?
I agree with this completely. There's a few others that do a decent job, but the games are either mediocre or very quirky.
Best post of this thread.
I couldn't agree more. I am normally against most F2P models but Turbine has done a decent job so far with Lotro. I re-subbed personally and was originally a founder/long-time subscriber; so for the time being, no-one will hear me complaining about the current changes.
Basically, change happens whether one likes it or not, so it's a lot easier to adapt instead of throwing temper-tantrums; wasting time and energy.
Honestly, that is their problem, not the game's one. And probably you wouldn't have wanted anyway to group with people who are behaving like spolied brats. Helegrod can be completed without store items.
As far as I know, Turbine did not tweek any of the instances, so Helegrod will obviously be completed without the need of any cash shop items. Just because some group says you need them, does not mean you do.
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+1
I used to hate 'F2P' - but this is what i said recently about DDO:
"Cash Shop: I hate this in most games because of how it is run. It's run by greed. In DDO it's not. You can play 100% for free. The cash shop offers nothing you cannot 'earn' in game. Simply by playing (and completing quests) you earn Turbine Points - the same ones you can buy. So, you have a choice; buy Turbine Points, earn them or go the traditional subscription route and buypass them entirely. This hybrid model is a winner."
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3740486#3740486
Turbine has done this right.
Oh and as for the spoilt brats... you even find them in totally free games.
I got kicked from an Alien Swarm game last week because I wasn't using the 'right' gun.
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.
Its amazing how some ppl think
A measly 17 bucks per customer that already bought the game at retail and and a couple of months or more subscription money.those poor developers sure deserve to get payed [b]again[/b] by those customers.
Thanks for clearing that up. Doesn't sound too bad. Got the downloader going now.
They really are catering to the F2P and returning players. A lot of content has been made easy, and if you still find some bosses hard just buy the stat tomes from the store for real money and win this game, no need to waste hours earning it in-game.
Um, that's just factualy wrong. Helegrod, along with a lot of the older content, has been changed very signifigantly in that you can now scale the level of the dungeon like a skirmish. So instead of a bunch of 65s beating on a bunch of 50s, you now have a bunch of 65s fighting a bunch of 65s. That's a fairly substantial tweek. Yes, you can still play it at level 50; but to get any decent loot from it you are going to want to run it at 65.
The LOTRO P2P/F2P hybrid is the best, and I mean BEST, set of options for any MMORPG I've ever seen. I reactivated an old account that had paid for all expansions and had a great time jumping in and playing. At the same time, I created a new character on that account and had my wife make a new account to play with me (she is so casual it wasn't worth the sub price in the past). Are some of her options more limited than mine? Yes. Is this a great way for her to play casually, and if she decides she loves it some day sub? ABSOLUTELY.
Games are not designed to be free, they are designed to make money. You can use the F2P option to play MOST of the game, and if you want more, you can pay for a sub or a la cart. Anyone who cannot see how amazing this is is either daft, embittered by other F2P games, or living in denial (or a combination of the three).
After a closer look at the price model, i have to admit, its alright.
As said by others, it seems its a good f2p model.
I just got very carefull about f2p models as i saw all those evil cash shop milking psychology recently in another game.
Reinstalled LOTRO and now im waiting for the EU servers coming up.
I would also love to try LOTRO on the US servers, but cant manage to get a code anyhow, just the known 14 days trial is offered actually.
It's amazing how stupid people can be because they see a word (not so different from many other real life things), and think the worst.
If someone took the time to read up on what the new system is doing, they would already be enjoying themselves. Instead, they cover their ears, close their eyes, and scream really loudly, "F2P IS THE DEVIL".
You bought the game, and got 30 days free. After that YOU PAID 15 BUCKS A MONTH to do all these quests, instances, bags, etc.
Now, you can do THE EXACT SAME THING. Or, if you prefer, you can pay (17 bucks I think was said?) once and never pay again if you so choose. You never owned the quests, or your characters when you were not paying a monthly sub.
I hope this is snark, otherwise you haven't internalized anything said here. In the f2p model LOTRO uses, you are paying a one time fee for access to content, just like you'd be paying an ongoing subcription for access in P2P. You are not buying anything 'again' as you claim.
The way I would look at this type of hyrbid free to play is that its a really long and comprehensive free trial that you can play for tens of hours before you will ever have to pay a cent and when you do pay you can chose whether you want to pay a standard subscription or you if your playing casually you can chose to pay for what you want when you want . Its the best of all possible worlds .
I am glad I get to keep my adventure pack and xpac content...but I still think it's ridiculous that I get nearly nothing for the $50.00 box set I bought 2 years ago should I choose to go premium. We should at least get the quest content. I can (kind of) understand if they shave back the original traits..bank and wardrobe slots ..among other things....then resell them in the shop but at the least the quests should remain. Any future content would of course be store bought. Oh well..it's their game.
You make good points. I just think that if they treat the xpacs like content you have already purchased...which also come with a product key...then why is the content of the original box not treated the same way. Just my opinion that past quest content that you have purchased should be include. Then ..now that I am writng this..I am thinking that the boxed set is included...and what we are really paying for is all the past updates that contained new quests. Now that makes more sense I guess. lol.