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I got BANNED from SWTOR beta....
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Do you mean while in the game?I havent discussed it in any forums until now.
And in the game I really didn't say anything non-quest related. So no I haven't discussed it publicy until now.
Whether your first mistake was innocent or you feel they banned you unfairly, what you did afterwards (posting threads about the banning) is definitely not a good sign from their perspective. If you were wrongly banned before, you'll most likely be rightly banned this time around.
I've been on temporary bans before, and you can't expect them to get back to you within an hour, two hours, 6 hours, or even 24 hours. Especially withing 48 hours of testing as the team most likely has a lot of other items on their plate. In the event you were banned wrongly and missed a week of testing, you could have gotten unbanned for the next test, but your actions likely prohibited that.
They will get back to you, but don't expect them to unban you now.
Other than that i have yet to be tossed out of a beta... and i have seen quite a few to this day. Mostly because (i asume) that i report my bugs to the devs using the report tool and don't flab my gums.
But honestly.. a 2-day beta pass.. stress-test... Get over it.
This have been a good conversation
Are you in the beta? There is no Player vs player combat, the combat at this point is all against NPCs. So no I was not discussing exploits anywhere nor would it really give anyone an unfair advantage. I was litterally reporting bugs every few minutes as I ran into them, giving detailed information about the time/location/circumstances.
Has anyone found the part of the game tester agreement that mentions discussing illegal activity?
First you keep saying there is nothing in the nda about illegal activities, but in fact this is just word. If you break the NDA, it is an illegal activity, so you keep saying you are innocent but let face it maibe you said something on the chat and they just didnt like so they banned you (yes they can monitoring the chat). This is they right, you are a guest, the house is not yours so they can trow you out whenever they want.
So your are pissed, i can understand that but seriously this is 2 day of beta testing, this is not like you paid for it.
this thread is lol worthy
Well that game-testing agreement is pretty hefty as usual. Most likely you posted in a "general" forum rather then a beta forum, I see that happening alot in different betas and is usually a harmless misstake. It could be endulging in a discussion about a non intended mechanic a.k.a exploiting without you even knowing.
And this part in the agreement:
"d) to provide feedback, analysis, suggestions and comments to BWA (including, but not limited to, bug reports and test results) as reasonably requested by BWA, or as otherwise voluntarily provided by you (collectively, “Feedback”). ALL OF YOUR FEEDBACK SHALL BE THE SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE PROPERTY OF BWA AND/OR ITS LICENSORS OR LICENSEES, AND YOU HEREBY ASSIGN ALL OF YOUR RIGHT, TITLE AND INTEREST IN THE FEEDBACK, AND ALL INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS RELATED THERETO TO BWA AND/OR ITS LICENSORS. WITHOUT LIMITING THE GENERALITY OF THE FOREGOING, YOU AGREE THAT BWA AND/OR ITS LICENSORS OR LICENSEES SHALL HAVE THE PERPETUAL AND IRREVOCABLE RIGHT TO USE, MODIFY, AND OTHERWISE EXPLOIT ALL OR PART OF THE YOUR FEEDBACK OR ANY DERIVATIVE THEREOF IN ANY MANNER OR MEDIA NOW KNOWN OR HEREAFTER DEVISED WITHOUT ANY REMUNERATION, COMPENSATION OR CREDIT TO YOU"
This could mean that you´re not allowed to actually discuss anything about the game at all outside of the designated official channels.
So it´s best, when you do get into a beta, to just try the game and send bugs/exploits through the designated /bug channel or directly to a gm if it´s applicable.
Edit: But actually understanding everything in these kinds of agreements is hard indeed.
All statements I make is from my point of view unless stated otherwise.
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Perhaps you have to think outside the box for a moment and consider what may be called "illegal activity" rather than trying to find those exact, specific words in the agreement.
Illegal activity (just what pops up off the top of my head): cheating, exploiting, scamming. Whether it was in-game, on a website, on a forum, to your friend, whatever, you can't talk about that kind of stuff. And if you were caught, BioWare has every right to ban you and not respond to your whining. To me, the wording does not suggest you simply broke the NDA by posting accidentally in a general game forum rather than a beta one, or you talked about something general to one of your buddies subconciously.
You still haven't provided any evidence of your innocence, only that you received a ban email and have not gotten a response despite multiple attempts. You appear as the victim and big bad BioWare banned you for bullcrap reasons. I'm a bit more skeptical; perhaps when thousands of people have this happen to them, I'll listen.
Lastly, 4 hours? Really? That's all you've had to wait so far and you're upset?
Sorry to hear that you got banned, all you can do is appeal in what ever way is possible. However, if you were innocent of the charges laid out against you it wouldnt matter now that you have come on to MMORPG.com to discuss the issue. Coming to the forums and decrying Bioware for banning you for what I am certain were reasonable reasons, even if mis-interpreted reasons accomplishes nothing, nor does trying to convince everyone not to purchase products from a company because you are disgruntled. Appeal your ban, take it up with Bioware customer support, and move on with it, dont rage about YOUR problem at a game website.
an exploit is an exploit. doesn't matter if its pvp or pve. fyi.
Do you mean while in the game?I havent discussed it in any forums until now.
And in the game I really didn't say anything non-quest related. So no I haven't discussed it publicy until now.
You mean while in the game? Are you serious with that question or just stupid? What do you think I mean? Are you toying around and playing a game here because it seems pretty obvious with that question you are really not doing something right.Let me try a different approach. Did you talk (by talk,any form of communication) to anyone about the game or gameplay outside of the official game testing forum or ingame chat? For example, did you tell your best friend at lunch all about the Bounty Hunter missions you were playing?
You konw what I don't expect that. It's fine if I don't get unbanned. But what I want to know is exactly what/if anything I did wrong.
I want to see the part in the game tester agreement that says discussing illegal activity will get you banned, and I want to see what/if anything I said that resulted in my ban.
So let's assume that there is no mention of "discussing illegal acitivty" in the game tester agreement(I have yet to find it)
Would you all agree then, that it was a super BS ban and that BIowrae is in the wrong?
This is why betas should never be tested by the public. I can only imagine how many like him get tossed from beta each year.
Chances are you basically said something in game or in the forum, period.
Just look at the agreement, theyre being overly strict on what you say/dont say and where. They monitor all their logs gving you no privacy whatsoever, so my bet is you talked.
Wether you meant to say something or not, you got caught.
A game is just that... a game, not an emotional crutch.
I agree for the most part.
Rules of Conduct
http://www.swtor.com/legalnotices/rulesofconduct
Maybe you got a keylogger and someone logged onto your beta acc talking about scat porn.
The last time an MMO company responded to my query within 2 days was when DAOC was at its prime.
Does it suck that they banned you? yes. Does it really matter? no. You did not pay for anything, they gave you a free trial and decided to end it sooner than expected. I am not even going to get into the fact that you probably told one of your friends about the game and they ratted you out for breaking the NDA.
I believe im not the only one thinking this but, chalk this one up as another reason to not beta test a game that you plan to play at release.
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Lol no I did not talk about it in any public way during the 1.5 days I was involved.
You "signed" an agreement that says they can remove you from the test for ANY REASON. The fact that they bothered to tell you why at all shows they likely had a pretty good reason. There is an entire section of that agreement that talks about what you agreed to do, and sections including courtesy and such where discussing illegal activities could easily fall under.
Also, you still haven't said what post you made that got you banned, which from reading your responses I'm going to have to assume was likely a perfectly good reason to ban you considering how irrational you sound.
You screwed up a golden opportunity, live with it.
Edit: Also, discussing illegal activites doesn't sound like breaking the NDA to me, which I'm sure if they were going to ban him for they would have said that specifically. More than likely he made some post about drugs, violence or other some such stupid thing and the mods took a zero tolerance stand... which they should.
No. in fact seeing you constantly post intrigues me more as you seem to know you said something. I sort of have in inner child excited that Bioware is proactiving taking people like you out molding the community in beta to something better then what we normally see.
No, it's their beta. As long as they violate no laws they can do what they want within it. Consumer protection means nothing here because nothing was purchased.
First it is game testing at this point, not beta. And second, I think you are guilty.
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This is a fun thread. OP talks about illegal activity in the game, gets banned for it, then whines how talking about illegal activity shoudn't warrant a ban. Does the story stop here? No sir. He then makes an alternate account to mmorpg.com to complain about being banned for discussing illegal activity.
As has been pointed out; they can ban you for breathing if they want. They are under no contractual agreement that forbids them from doing that.
Moral of the story? Act like a fool, and get banned. I just gained a bit more respect for BioWare.