Well i was thinking of buying the game along with 7-8 more people.
When my friend sent me the link where they say they limit levelling so that the gap between casual and hardcore players will be closer , we read :
"We don't think you will like this game long enough to keep playing for two months unless we limit the speed at which you progress to allow us to make money while still developping unfinished content"
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Waiting on GW2 (but they want to give TOR a chance, we'll see what happens)
PS: Only wound up in this thread because I wanted to see fanbois say yes, but obviously they realise its crappy too, but since they dont want to play WoW theyll play this. Some even mention they dont mind a subpar product.... WTF? Oh well, we shall see how it fares next year.
Yea im right there with you.. IMO it's features like this and being luanched w/o pvp that will make this game get no where close to WoW.. Even WoW would suffer if all the sudden one day they completley wiped pvp then added a cap on the xp earned each day lol
Yes. AND the bonus to you, I understand it very well.
I never played a game where the leveling curve was too high, because I get bored too fast.
What i enjoy out of mmos is dungeon running, grouping to kill challenging opponents.
However, can you see the big flaw of the system?
When the very casual player reaches max level, people wont group with him because he doesn't have the class combos required to help the group. Serious LS will not take people who aren't logged in for 20 hours a week. And at max level, it will be useless to want to level another class because u'll already be maxed after a few weeks.
What will happen?
Hardcore farmers will farm and get richer and richer.
But not EVERYONE likes to farm! What will the others do? What endgame content is there?
PVE?
My playstyle, dungeon running, and strategic boss fighting... I've searched and searched, and have yet to see any such content from FFXIV. Any videos of actual boss fights?
Casual players won't get much out of the game. They will be declined from good groups, forced to play with each other, and if the content isnt tuned for them, casual players will quit. If it is tuned to be too casual, hardcore players will quit. Why would I want to play with people who don't have the skills required to make it easier on the whole group.
Example:
In WoW which you surely played, would you really take a discipline priest to dps for you? All he's missing is the skills to make killing mobs faster thus making fights easier overall. Would you really take a pugilist if he doesn't have the skills to make killing the mobs faster, thus making fights easier overall so you can focus on the strategic aspects?
PvP?
Not in yet. But if it were, it could maybe be interesting enough to want to try it... But then again, to maximise levelling, it would only be balanced at the max level, which is why it probably isn't in the game yet because the complaints from the level capped players would pour in. Negativity = Subscription loss.
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Now if there was no limit on leveling, sure hardcore players would reach max very fast. Hardcore players would also post the required skill combinations so casual players could level what is needed of them to help their groups. I sure hope the initial endgame content is fairly easy so that the good players who will be playing are not discouraged by having to find players good enough to get their kill as much as having to find the strat to get the kill.
Finding 10 competant players in most games is harder than the bosses you want to kill. Personally, this whole system, simply accentuates the problem, which is the reasoning behind the not playing. Not because the players will be bad however, but because they wont have the "must" skills before the current content is viewed as "old".
When the very casual player reaches max level, people wont group with him because he doesn't have the class combos required to help the group.
You won't have to even wait until end game to see thsi sort of thing. The more hardcore players (and number crunchers) are going to have expectations about what skills/abilities players should have at level 20, 25, 30 etc. in order to optimize their groups progression through content. And if you don't meet the criteria.....
And don't be naive to think that it won't happen. The FFXI community (Square Enix's target market for FFXIV) have a long history of excluding (read: not grouping with) players that did not possess what the community deemed the 'best' Job/Sub-Job combinations. And Sqaure Enix have given the community the tools (the FFXIV players site) to screen people by being able to view each others skill/ability levels.
Casual players will be left to group with other casuals and still not see, or progress, through the games content at the same rate as players with more time to devote to it.
Every new MMO, someone boasts its going to be WoW killer, las tone was Aion. It never came close, had a good strong start, and then quickly died out. To answer you question, no FF XIV will not be a WoW killer, not even close.
If FFXIV can inflate thier numbers with enough double accounts, bots and goldspammers like WoW does, they just might have a chance in a few years.
But, we won't really be able to tell until Cataclysm drops onto the table, and all the dust settles.
Accounts are accounts are accounts. No amount of disdain you seem to hold for the game is keeping them from collecting the monthly fee. As for what game might ever dethrone WoW.....WoW2. I see no other game in the near future coming even close.
Seriously, no game is probably going to surpass WoW in terms of subsciptions ever. The only one that might is Blizzard's new MMO given that Blizzard is very good at making enjoyable games and marketting. WoW has had too many things going for it for too long.
1) Intellectual Property they own
Seriously, this is a huge advantage. I realize that SquareEnix has this same advantage; but, a lot of other MMOs didn't and don't. Warhammer Online, Star Wars Galaxies, LotRO, and Star Trek Online to name the big ones. When you are using someone else's IP, you have to be careful what you do or they'll sue you. Blizzard and Square don't need to worry about this and they can rewrite lore and not worry about a lawsuit... just pissing off their fans.
2) Low system requirements
WoW has insanely low system requirements. Even at its launch it had pretty low requirements compared to most MMOs of its age. EQ2 had a lot higher requirements and I know WoW ran a lot better than SWG did on my computer when I first bought it. And today its even better because you can buy just about any computer at Wal-Mart and its internal graphics card can easily handle WoW. Think about the number of people who shop at Wal-mart and that's how people have 'easy' access to WoW. Think about the size of that population for a while. Now compare that to the population of people with computers able to run Final Fantasy XIV. Its a huge advantage.
3) Easy game
I know the WoW fanbois will come out in mass to attack me on this one; but, its true. Its not hard to manage aggro when you have an addon like threat meters. Yes, I know that Blizzard didn't make the addon; but, they permit its existence and it makes the game that much easier. Yes, I've heard the arguement that it allows your guild to push the envelope more; but, its still easy to know when you're pushing your aggro too much. Frankly, the only player that really needs to be on top of their game with threat meters is the main tank; if he can keep his number as high as possible, everyone else has it easy.
WoW was also when of the first games that you could solo to end-game. And yes, I consider that a con. People never learned how to play their class in a group enviroment because they never needed to until they got to end-game. Granted, it helped Blizzard suck more money out of people because they could get to level cap without anyone else and then they'd finally learn because they had invested so much time into the game. How hard is aggro management to learn on a hunter when you have a complete aggro drop every 30 seconds? I could go on and on; but, I won't.
If you want anymore proof... WoW is one of the few MMOs that can actually boast to have child and grand parents playing together. And if a 70 year old grandmother can play it... seriously, most of the time they don't buy anything harder than Pop Cap games...
4) Marketting
No other MMO has marketting like WoW does. And I pity da foo' who argues this point with me. Commericals with celebrities, advertisements in tons of magazines. I'm not saying its wrong; but, no other MMO has had so much money invested in its marketting.
These 4 things are what got WoW off to a great start... which has lead to 2 other things WoW now has going for it.
5) Popularity
Want to play an online game with people you know? EVERYONE knows someone who plays WoW. And people still want that face-to-face contact with people. I know there are a few people who talk about WoW at work and I just roll my eyes. Want a game with tons of people in it (even if they will treat you like crap), WoW has it. Popularity in a game pushes its sales through word of mouth as well... again, more marketting.
6) Fanbois
No MMO has people so quickly just to its defense than WoW does. I loved City of Heroes and LotRO; but, even I would admit those games had faults and if someone mentioned them I didn't argue the point. and most fans of those games won't argue the issues those games have. But tell a WoW fanboi the graphics suck and they explode.
Heck, I remember when achievements with titles were added to WoW. I mentioned that City of Heroes has had them for years and SWG before that. I was then told that those two games stole the idea from WoW... umm, they had them first how could they steal them? I've been told LotRO's legendary items are a rip off of WoW's heirloom items. Umm... first of all, legendary items and heirlooms don't do the same thing (LIs are end-game, heirlooms are leveling items). Second of all, once again: Legendary items were in LotRO before WoW had heirloom.
WoW will never be dethroned because it caught fire at the perfect time. I won't say WoW sucks because I don't think it does. I think its a good game for what it is. But I also blame it for the increase in poorly skilled players in the MMO community and for the fact that maturity levels have fallen because of it as well. HALO did the same thing to FPS. I give WoW its due... both positive and negative.
But to answer your question again: No, FF will not surpass WoW's numbers globally. FF will not surpass WoW's numbers in Northern America. FF might surpass WoW's numbers in Asia though.
Erm, well, WoW has many subs in China only to farm gold, not for the fun of the game...
About culture, Chinese tend to freaking hate japanese (specially jap guys who are all seen as freaking perverts and the fallout of Nanjing slaughter and the rape of countless chinese women) but they kinda love anime and the like, it's like a hot & cold relationship.
Now as not too many westerners will play FFXIV the Gil market will never be as good as the gold market in WoW, hence will bring less farming chinese students (and unemployed youth).
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Probally not, since FF14 is not casual easymode like WoW is. it has a diffrent playerbase in mind. WoW's appeal is because its a easy mmorpg, and its made for people who have bad pc's and only have a few hours here and there to play its also very user friendly. I dislike wow myself, but I honestly don't think any other mmorpg will come even close to its subscription base, they would honestly be lucky to get even 10% of wow's sub base. If wow had at least a half-decent mature community I'd probally play it myself, but there are far to many immature players in its community for it to interest me.
How exactly does anyone even know that FFXIV "is not casual easymode?" Is it because you downloaded open beta, logged into the game, skipped the boring cutscenes then wandered around aimlessly for hours trying to find your way through the tunnel-like city environments? Is it because outside of the Guild Leves and the main story, you couldn't find any real purpose or point other than pure grinding? Is it because you need to spend at least the first forty-five minutes of gameplay learning the obtuse user interface? Is it because you had no idea where to go to buy armor/weapons? Is it because you had no idea how to equip skills/change jobs?
Maybe, it's because you played closed beta, got to a reasonably high level, and actually experienced some of the FFXIV's endgame content, which showed you that a great deal of cooperation, coordination, class knowledge, and player skill were required to complete the end game encounters. If not, I think you need to re-evaluate your definition of "easymode."
Maybe, it's because you played closed beta, got to a reasonably high level, and actually experienced some of the FFXIV's endgame content, which showed you that a great deal of cooperation, coordination, class knowledge, and player skill were required to complete the end game encounters. If not, I think you need to re-evaluate your definition of "easymode."
I doubt it will even do better than Aion in intial sells. As someone already said, its a pretty niche game.
With all the negatives people are hearing, like obtuse interface, lots-o-lag, no pvp, no auction house, the fatigue system, it will even further diminish the amount of sells the game gets. I'm not saying the rumours are true or not, but people hear them and it turns them off the game.
Some people will probably wait to see if the features that were promised soon after launch and the bugs encountered in beta are fixed before purchasing. Others may wait til the release of the PS3 version. I don't think this game will see numbers even close to WoW numbers. I even think that GW2 will out sell it.
I doubt it will even do better than Aion in intial sells. As someone already said, its a pretty niche game.
With all the negatives people are hearing, like obtuse interface, lots-o-lag, no pvp, no auction house, the fatigue system, it will even further diminish the amount of sells the game gets. I'm not saying the rumours are true or not, but people hear them and it turns them off the game.
Some people will probably wait to see if the features that were promised soon after launch and the bugs encountered in beta are fixed before purchasing. Others may wait til the release of the PS3 version. I don't think this game will see numbers even close to WoW numbers. I even think that GW2 will out sell it.
it realy is to bad bercause to game hase great grafiices, and if I remember corectely the fatigue system works more like from 200% to 100% like in WoW(Readed some wear on internet can't remember exectly were). my self had no lag what so ever in the open so can't say any thing about that, but the patch is bad if they did not changed that already. but its not an overall bad game. mining is even fun to do and not just waiting for more ore to get in your back like in lots of other games.
hahaha, just read the title and had do laugh. This game with its crappy UI and pokemon style gfx, built for a console in mind pass WoW?
How delusional can people get?
The only game that has a (small) chance to even come to close to rival WoW would be Guild Wars 2. This game is, in west, a niche game for people who like manga style games.
hahaha, just read the title and had do laugh. This game with its crappy UI and pokemon style gfx, built for a console in mind pass WoW?
How delusional can people get?
The only game that has a (small) chance to even come to close to rival WoW would be Guild Wars 2. This game is, in west, a niche game for people who like manga style games.
Pokemon style graphics? What game are you playing? Cause it definitely isn't FFXIV.
I probably shouldn't feed the troll, but really. Go look up the number of PS3 out there and then how popular the Final Fantasy games. While it's a bit of a stretch to think that FFXIV will overtake WoW in sub numbers, it's not unimaginable. If even 1/4th of the PS3 playerbase bought the game it would pass WoW's numbers (which are actually horribly inflated).
3 months, this game is done. Already the rage has hit hard about how terrible the game still is. The rabid fanboys will eventually see it for what it is. I cannot say it enough. Companies will fail hard if they do not comply with the westernized/european mmo style. Add in the fact that SE is completely stubborn to listen to its customers and you have a niche game that will last forever, but will NEVER see the beacon every delusioned fan hoped and prayed for.
FFXIV will not get near WoW. Despite the initial "lemming rush," it is a niche game.
LMAO at the lemming rush comment. Also, I agree with the Pokemon art comment, so much of the mob art i(and character art) is so silly looking I couldn't get into the game at all. Well...the gameplay did turn me off more than the art heh.
????? Surely you jest, Pre-Opening day finds ATI issues and a low population. Perhaps due to the system requirements combined with the weak combat and lag increase that is sure to come opening day. Not to mention that this game has been reported as a nich game for many. No, I do not think so but hey, the grafics are nice.
3 months, this game is done. Already the rage has hit hard about how terrible the game still is. The rabid fanboys will eventually see it for what it is. I cannot say it enough. Companies will fail hard if they do not comply with the westernized/european mmo style. Add in the fact that SE is completely stubborn to listen to its customers and you have a niche game that will last forever, but will NEVER see the beacon every delusioned fan hoped and prayed for.
LMAO @ This. Hey chief, most of their fan base is Asian, are you saying that in order to be a success in the oh so lucrative NA & EU market they have to turn away from a market that has over three times the gamer population? Doh! Why, because Age of Conan has done so well? Lineage II, Aion, Final Fantasy XI all post higher numbers than the westernized MMOs to have come out recently, so why would they want to screw that up?
By no means im saying this game will surpass wow becouse of this, instead i whant to make a point towards people saying the game will fail, it will not. Come back around Ps3 release, i can garantee it will be #1 sells on every single store.
Yea yea, this lists means nothin and the game will die after 3 months etc etc etc.Whoever is saying this is clearly mistakend.
I mean with so many bad reviews , disastrous open beta, and all the people ranting about it , the CE copies are runing out as it is.
If you whant you can try and prove me wrong, but i have a strong feeling this game , while it wont reach wow numbers,it will surpass everythin else but wow, once the ps3 version is out.their "niche" are 38M ps3 users in the whole world,that will blindly give their MMO virginity to SE.Just a small % of all the ps3 users who bought the game will be enough to be a damn succesfull game, so to all the haters, please stop trying.Add to that "Niche" all of us suckers who are truly Beta testing the game now, and paying to do so". Well you get the idea dont you.
Now if you think in your personal opinion, the game isnt for you and you dont like it, that is a diferent story.
By no means im saying this game will surpass wow becouse of this, instead i whant to make a point towards people saying the game will fail, it will not. Come back around Ps3 release, i can garantee it will be #1 sells on every single store.
Yea yea, this lists means nothin and the game will die after 3 months etc etc etc.Whoever is saying this is clearly mistakend.
I mean with so many bad reviews , disastrous open beta, and all the people ranting about it , the CE copies are runing out as it is.
If you whant you can try and prove me wrong, but i have a strong feeling this game , while it wont reach wow numbers,it will surpass everythin else but wow, once the ps3 version is out.their "niche" are 38M ps3 users in the whole world,that will blindly give their MMO virginity to SE.Just a small % of all the ps3 users who bought the game will be enough to be a damn succesfull game, so to all the haters, please stop trying.
Now if you think in your personal opinion, the game isnt for you and you dont like it, that is a diferent story.
How in the heck is Burning Crusade STILL in the top 10!? And HOW in the heck was SC2 on the top 100 for teh past 554 days?! People pre-ordered it OVER A YEAR before launch!?
By no means im saying this game will surpass wow becouse of this, instead i whant to make a point towards people saying the game will fail, it will not. Come back around Ps3 release, i can garantee it will be #1 sells on every single store.
Yea yea, this lists means nothin and the game will die after 3 months etc etc etc.Whoever is saying this is clearly mistakend.
I mean with so many bad reviews , disastrous open beta, and all the people ranting about it , the CE copies are runing out as it is.
If you whant you can try and prove me wrong, but i have a strong feeling this game , while it wont reach wow numbers,it will surpass everythin else but wow, once the ps3 version is out.their "niche" are 38M ps3 users in the whole world,that will blindly give their MMO virginity to SE.Just a small % of all the ps3 users who bought the game will be enough to be a damn succesfull game, so to all the haters, please stop trying.Add to that "Niche" all of us suckers who are truly Beta testing the game now, and paying to do so". Well you get the idea dont you.
Now if you think in your personal opinion, the game isnt for you and you dont like it, that is a diferent story.
You know, here is the thing. We're talking about subscriptions NOT boxed sales. In the world of MMO, HUGE difference. I can list off a half dozen games that sold a ton of boxes and watch their subs die to the point where people thought they would fold. Your lists don't have anything to do with subs.
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Yes. AND the bonus to you, I understand it very well.
I never played a game where the leveling curve was too high, because I get bored too fast.
What i enjoy out of mmos is dungeon running, grouping to kill challenging opponents.
However, can you see the big flaw of the system?
When the very casual player reaches max level, people wont group with him because he doesn't have the class combos required to help the group. Serious LS will not take people who aren't logged in for 20 hours a week. And at max level, it will be useless to want to level another class because u'll already be maxed after a few weeks.
What will happen?
Hardcore farmers will farm and get richer and richer.
But not EVERYONE likes to farm! What will the others do? What endgame content is there?
PVE?
My playstyle, dungeon running, and strategic boss fighting... I've searched and searched, and have yet to see any such content from FFXIV. Any videos of actual boss fights?
Casual players won't get much out of the game. They will be declined from good groups, forced to play with each other, and if the content isnt tuned for them, casual players will quit. If it is tuned to be too casual, hardcore players will quit. Why would I want to play with people who don't have the skills required to make it easier on the whole group.
Example:
In WoW which you surely played, would you really take a discipline priest to dps for you? All he's missing is the skills to make killing mobs faster thus making fights easier overall. Would you really take a pugilist if he doesn't have the skills to make killing the mobs faster, thus making fights easier overall so you can focus on the strategic aspects?
PvP?
Not in yet. But if it were, it could maybe be interesting enough to want to try it... But then again, to maximise levelling, it would only be balanced at the max level, which is why it probably isn't in the game yet because the complaints from the level capped players would pour in. Negativity = Subscription loss.
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Now if there was no limit on leveling, sure hardcore players would reach max very fast. Hardcore players would also post the required skill combinations so casual players could level what is needed of them to help their groups. I sure hope the initial endgame content is fairly easy so that the good players who will be playing are not discouraged by having to find players good enough to get their kill as much as having to find the strat to get the kill.
Finding 10 competant players in most games is harder than the bosses you want to kill. Personally, this whole system, simply accentuates the problem, which is the reasoning behind the not playing. Not because the players will be bad however, but because they wont have the "must" skills before the current content is viewed as "old".
You won't have to even wait until end game to see thsi sort of thing. The more hardcore players (and number crunchers) are going to have expectations about what skills/abilities players should have at level 20, 25, 30 etc. in order to optimize their groups progression through content. And if you don't meet the criteria.....
And don't be naive to think that it won't happen. The FFXI community (Square Enix's target market for FFXIV) have a long history of excluding (read: not grouping with) players that did not possess what the community deemed the 'best' Job/Sub-Job combinations. And Sqaure Enix have given the community the tools (the FFXIV players site) to screen people by being able to view each others skill/ability levels.
Casual players will be left to group with other casuals and still not see, or progress, through the games content at the same rate as players with more time to devote to it.
Every new MMO, someone boasts its going to be WoW killer, las tone was Aion. It never came close, had a good strong start, and then quickly died out. To answer you question, no FF XIV will not be a WoW killer, not even close.
If FFXIV can inflate thier numbers with enough double accounts, bots and goldspammers like WoW does, they just might have a chance in a few years.
But, we won't really be able to tell until Cataclysm drops onto the table, and all the dust settles.
Accounts are accounts are accounts. No amount of disdain you seem to hold for the game is keeping them from collecting the monthly fee. As for what game might ever dethrone WoW.....WoW2. I see no other game in the near future coming even close.
Seriously, no game is probably going to surpass WoW in terms of subsciptions ever. The only one that might is Blizzard's new MMO given that Blizzard is very good at making enjoyable games and marketting. WoW has had too many things going for it for too long.
1) Intellectual Property they own
Seriously, this is a huge advantage. I realize that SquareEnix has this same advantage; but, a lot of other MMOs didn't and don't. Warhammer Online, Star Wars Galaxies, LotRO, and Star Trek Online to name the big ones. When you are using someone else's IP, you have to be careful what you do or they'll sue you. Blizzard and Square don't need to worry about this and they can rewrite lore and not worry about a lawsuit... just pissing off their fans.
2) Low system requirements
WoW has insanely low system requirements. Even at its launch it had pretty low requirements compared to most MMOs of its age. EQ2 had a lot higher requirements and I know WoW ran a lot better than SWG did on my computer when I first bought it. And today its even better because you can buy just about any computer at Wal-Mart and its internal graphics card can easily handle WoW. Think about the number of people who shop at Wal-mart and that's how people have 'easy' access to WoW. Think about the size of that population for a while. Now compare that to the population of people with computers able to run Final Fantasy XIV. Its a huge advantage.
3) Easy game
I know the WoW fanbois will come out in mass to attack me on this one; but, its true. Its not hard to manage aggro when you have an addon like threat meters. Yes, I know that Blizzard didn't make the addon; but, they permit its existence and it makes the game that much easier. Yes, I've heard the arguement that it allows your guild to push the envelope more; but, its still easy to know when you're pushing your aggro too much. Frankly, the only player that really needs to be on top of their game with threat meters is the main tank; if he can keep his number as high as possible, everyone else has it easy.
WoW was also when of the first games that you could solo to end-game. And yes, I consider that a con. People never learned how to play their class in a group enviroment because they never needed to until they got to end-game. Granted, it helped Blizzard suck more money out of people because they could get to level cap without anyone else and then they'd finally learn because they had invested so much time into the game. How hard is aggro management to learn on a hunter when you have a complete aggro drop every 30 seconds? I could go on and on; but, I won't.
If you want anymore proof... WoW is one of the few MMOs that can actually boast to have child and grand parents playing together. And if a 70 year old grandmother can play it... seriously, most of the time they don't buy anything harder than Pop Cap games...
4) Marketting
No other MMO has marketting like WoW does. And I pity da foo' who argues this point with me. Commericals with celebrities, advertisements in tons of magazines. I'm not saying its wrong; but, no other MMO has had so much money invested in its marketting.
These 4 things are what got WoW off to a great start... which has lead to 2 other things WoW now has going for it.
5) Popularity
Want to play an online game with people you know? EVERYONE knows someone who plays WoW. And people still want that face-to-face contact with people. I know there are a few people who talk about WoW at work and I just roll my eyes. Want a game with tons of people in it (even if they will treat you like crap), WoW has it. Popularity in a game pushes its sales through word of mouth as well... again, more marketting.
6) Fanbois
No MMO has people so quickly just to its defense than WoW does. I loved City of Heroes and LotRO; but, even I would admit those games had faults and if someone mentioned them I didn't argue the point. and most fans of those games won't argue the issues those games have. But tell a WoW fanboi the graphics suck and they explode.
Heck, I remember when achievements with titles were added to WoW. I mentioned that City of Heroes has had them for years and SWG before that. I was then told that those two games stole the idea from WoW... umm, they had them first how could they steal them? I've been told LotRO's legendary items are a rip off of WoW's heirloom items. Umm... first of all, legendary items and heirlooms don't do the same thing (LIs are end-game, heirlooms are leveling items). Second of all, once again: Legendary items were in LotRO before WoW had heirloom.
WoW will never be dethroned because it caught fire at the perfect time. I won't say WoW sucks because I don't think it does. I think its a good game for what it is. But I also blame it for the increase in poorly skilled players in the MMO community and for the fact that maturity levels have fallen because of it as well. HALO did the same thing to FPS. I give WoW its due... both positive and negative.
But to answer your question again: No, FF will not surpass WoW's numbers globally. FF will not surpass WoW's numbers in Northern America. FF might surpass WoW's numbers in Asia though.
Erm, well, WoW has many subs in China only to farm gold, not for the fun of the game...
About culture, Chinese tend to freaking hate japanese (specially jap guys who are all seen as freaking perverts and the fallout of Nanjing slaughter and the rape of countless chinese women) but they kinda love anime and the like, it's like a hot & cold relationship.
Now as not too many westerners will play FFXIV the Gil market will never be as good as the gold market in WoW, hence will bring less farming chinese students (and unemployed youth).
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How exactly does anyone even know that FFXIV "is not casual easymode?" Is it because you downloaded open beta, logged into the game, skipped the boring cutscenes then wandered around aimlessly for hours trying to find your way through the tunnel-like city environments? Is it because outside of the Guild Leves and the main story, you couldn't find any real purpose or point other than pure grinding? Is it because you need to spend at least the first forty-five minutes of gameplay learning the obtuse user interface? Is it because you had no idea where to go to buy armor/weapons? Is it because you had no idea how to equip skills/change jobs?
Maybe, it's because you played closed beta, got to a reasonably high level, and actually experienced some of the FFXIV's endgame content, which showed you that a great deal of cooperation, coordination, class knowledge, and player skill were required to complete the end game encounters. If not, I think you need to re-evaluate your definition of "easymode."
There was no endgame content in the closed beta.
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I doubt it will even do better than Aion in intial sells. As someone already said, its a pretty niche game.
With all the negatives people are hearing, like obtuse interface, lots-o-lag, no pvp, no auction house, the fatigue system, it will even further diminish the amount of sells the game gets. I'm not saying the rumours are true or not, but people hear them and it turns them off the game.
Some people will probably wait to see if the features that were promised soon after launch and the bugs encountered in beta are fixed before purchasing. Others may wait til the release of the PS3 version. I don't think this game will see numbers even close to WoW numbers. I even think that GW2 will out sell it.
It would take a truly extraordinary game to surpass wow. By all accounts this game is very ordinary.
it realy is to bad bercause to game hase great grafiices, and if I remember corectely the fatigue system works more like from 200% to 100% like in WoW(Readed some wear on internet can't remember exectly were). my self had no lag what so ever in the open so can't say any thing about that, but the patch is bad if they did not changed that already. but its not an overall bad game. mining is even fun to do and not just waiting for more ore to get in your back like in lots of other games.
hahaha, just read the title and had do laugh. This game with its crappy UI and pokemon style gfx, built for a console in mind pass WoW?
How delusional can people get?
The only game that has a (small) chance to even come to close to rival WoW would be Guild Wars 2. This game is, in west, a niche game for people who like manga style games.
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Pokemon style graphics? What game are you playing? Cause it definitely isn't FFXIV.
I probably shouldn't feed the troll, but really. Go look up the number of PS3 out there and then how popular the Final Fantasy games. While it's a bit of a stretch to think that FFXIV will overtake WoW in sub numbers, it's not unimaginable. If even 1/4th of the PS3 playerbase bought the game it would pass WoW's numbers (which are actually horribly inflated).
FFXIV will not get near WoW. Despite the initial "lemming rush," it is a niche game.
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When everyone gets tired of that themepark, sure!
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3 months, this game is done. Already the rage has hit hard about how terrible the game still is. The rabid fanboys will eventually see it for what it is. I cannot say it enough. Companies will fail hard if they do not comply with the westernized/european mmo style. Add in the fact that SE is completely stubborn to listen to its customers and you have a niche game that will last forever, but will NEVER see the beacon every delusioned fan hoped and prayed for.
LMAO at the lemming rush comment. Also, I agree with the Pokemon art comment, so much of the mob art i(and character art) is so silly looking I couldn't get into the game at all. Well...the gameplay did turn me off more than the art heh.
????? Surely you jest, Pre-Opening day finds ATI issues and a low population. Perhaps due to the system requirements combined with the weak combat and lag increase that is sure to come opening day. Not to mention that this game has been reported as a nich game for many. No, I do not think so but hey, the grafics are nice.
LMAO @ This. Hey chief, most of their fan base is Asian, are you saying that in order to be a success in the oh so lucrative NA & EU market they have to turn away from a market that has over three times the gamer population? Doh! Why, because Age of Conan has done so well? Lineage II, Aion, Final Fantasy XI all post higher numbers than the westernized MMOs to have come out recently, so why would they want to screw that up?
Most likely never to happen.
HOWEVER, it is shaped to become very successful and have years of SUPPORT, PRODUCTION VALUE, AND CONTENT. That's something worth A LOT these days.
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WHile trying to find out just were the hell my CE is ,i came across some intresting thins across the sellers i been visting most.
Best sellers,
GameStop #3
http://www.gamestop.com/browse/search.aspx?Ns=UnitsSold|1&N=0
Game#10
http://www.game.co.uk/Default.aspx/Games/_/N-1z13fvfZ1z13f8z?Nk=none
Amazon #2 o.O
http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/videogames/229575/ref=amb_link_6857352_1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=17ZT8DSP96Z8D6R3EK2Q&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=505014591&pf_rd_i=229575
By no means im saying this game will surpass wow becouse of this, instead i whant to make a point towards people saying the game will fail, it will not. Come back around Ps3 release, i can garantee it will be #1 sells on every single store.
Yea yea, this lists means nothin and the game will die after 3 months etc etc etc.Whoever is saying this is clearly mistakend.
I mean with so many bad reviews , disastrous open beta, and all the people ranting about it , the CE copies are runing out as it is.
If you whant you can try and prove me wrong, but i have a strong feeling this game , while it wont reach wow numbers,it will surpass everythin else but wow, once the ps3 version is out.their "niche" are 38M ps3 users in the whole world,that will blindly give their MMO virginity to SE.Just a small % of all the ps3 users who bought the game will be enough to be a damn succesfull game, so to all the haters, please stop trying.Add to that "Niche" all of us suckers who are truly Beta testing the game now, and paying to do so". Well you get the idea dont you.
Now if you think in your personal opinion, the game isnt for you and you dont like it, that is a diferent story.
How in the heck is Burning Crusade STILL in the top 10!? And HOW in the heck was SC2 on the top 100 for teh past 554 days?! People pre-ordered it OVER A YEAR before launch!?
Cool lists though.
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You know, here is the thing. We're talking about subscriptions NOT boxed sales. In the world of MMO, HUGE difference. I can list off a half dozen games that sold a ton of boxes and watch their subs die to the point where people thought they would fold. Your lists don't have anything to do with subs.
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