Understand something, this site is titled "MMORPG".... not "SW-TOR Fan Site". It's a site to discuss the nuts and bolts of gaming by gamers. It's not a site designed to promote positive spin about any one game. That would be the games official Forum's.
As far as I'm concerned topics that boil down to "I'm really disappointed in the direction they chose for this game.... here is why". Are every inch as valid as "I'm really excited about the things they are doing with this game."
Where is the problem with that? It's a DISCUSSION site..... the entire purpose is to converse a topic with people who have different viewpoints from your own. A site that only presents a single perspective or view-point would be called a BLOG, not a Forum.
I don't think anyone is arguing that BIOWARE doesn't have the right to design the type of game they want.....or they somehow owe it to people to make a different game. However it's a fair question to ask how well thier design fits the IP, the fan base....or the medium.
This game is Wow with lightsabers, nothing can change that fact. This game is a moneygraber wowstile+famous IP
Even if this were true, I think a lot of us would be just fine with that. WoW was a great game that many of us here have simply burned out on. I played it for years, but now I can't stand the thought of even logging in.
WoW with multiple planets to explore, new races, new classes, new quests, amazing new story archs... AND lightsabers!!!
While I think that you're completely wrong, this game will be so much more than just WoW with lightsabers... WoW with lightsabers sounds pretty f***ing awesome to me.
This game is Wow with lightsabers, nothing can change that fact. This game is a moneygraber wowstile+famous IP
I dont agree. I think this will be an improvement on WOW in several aspects already discussed in numerous threads, not totally ground breaking based on what we have seen so far (though a deep story where people pay attention to the quests and better AI for the NPCs based on what is out there may be ground breaking to some), but definitely a big enough improvement to stand on its own merits.
If it creates the same amount of fun factor as the 12 million people who played WOW rather then the .001% here who continue to complain about sandbox elements they won't have, is that bad, not to me.
Also, if its grabbing money and people are enjoying it and the company is profitable, that is a bad thing?
My biggest complaint continues to be only regarding the animations which improved over the last 2 months. Whats funny is that I tried Warhammer last night for the first time in a year and quickly realized the animations in that game, WOW, LOTRO, etc are all not what I wish. All of a sudden the animations in this game didn't look that horrible, though I hope they keep to their word and continue improving them which I'm sure they will.
TOR is probably the most hyped game out right now. But at the same time there is a lot of negativity on it. More than ive seen in a long time. That tells me there is a huge potential client base out there that want to play a great SW MMO yet most bitch about it because of their disapointment that this is what theyre getting on their one true chance at a great SW MMO and for a long time to come.
I think the game will sell well from this hype, even the people the hate it will probably buy it to sate their curiosity. But eventually the insistant arrogant narrow minded view of the developers will come back and bite Bioware rght in the ass. Hopefully with the help of EA and their guaranteed hype sales ... the devs will get their heads out of the ass andperfect it.
As for me, ill probably buy it, play as much as I can out of my free month, hopefully get to the end of the stories for a couple classes, then wait for a private server or a server emulator.
This game is Wow with lightsabers, nothing can change that fact. This game is a moneygraber wowstile+famous IP
I dont agree. I think this will be an improvement on WOW in several aspects already discusses in numerous threads, not totally ground breaking based on what we have seen so far (though a deep story where people pay attention to the quests and better AI for the NPCs based on what is out there may be ground breaking to some), but definitely a big enough improvement to stand on its own merits.
If it creates the same amount of fun factor as the 12 million people who played WOW rather then the .001% here who continue to complain about sandbox elements they won't have, is that bad, not to me.
Also, if its grabbing money and people are enjoying it and the company is profitable, that is a bad thing?
My biggest complaint continues to be only regarding the animations which improved over the last 2 months. Whats funny is that I tried Warhammer last night for the first time in a year and quickly realized the animations in that game, WOW, LOTRO, etc are all not what I wish. All of a sudden the animations in this game didn't look that horrible, though I hope they keep to their word and continue improving them which I'm sure they will.
not to mention the fact that they poured over a 150 million dollars into this game. What kind of a money grabber would that be? They stand to lose money trying to do this sort of thing. Takes alot of ballz on ea and bw part that is for sure.
not to mention the fact that they poured over a 150 million dollars into this game. What kind of a money grabber would that be? They stand to lose money trying to do this sort of thing. Takes alot of ballz on ea and bw part that is for sure.
Great point! With 150millon, there better be a few decent parts of the game
Originally posted by drake_hound Well you have to understand people are disillusioned and grumpy , most MMO players are burned out .
I'll just stop right there and disagree.
Most MMO players dont give a damn, they arent burnt out, and they arent busy reading forums. They just play the game to have fun, and I'd hazzard a guess that most of 'em dont ever visit a forum. Places like this, and folks who come here have a deeper interest, but I dont for a SECOND think that we are indicitave of the general MMO-public. We dont represent it, we are simply a vocal minority. Maybe as a whole we are burned out of the current crop of MMO's, but the masses? Nope.
im sorry but i doubt they spended 150$ million dollars in a goofy theme park holy triad tunnel space combat mmorpg. Unless the actors ripped bioware with expensives caches.
im sorry but i doubt they spended 150$ million dollars in a goofy theme park holy triad tunnel space combat mmorpg. Unless the actors ripped bioware with expensives caches.
So will you be getting the life time subscription to the game?
If people would actually believe the negativity for what ever game on what ever forum then no game ever is actually fun.
So in the end it doesn't really matter if it's negative or positive as any gamer with common sense will make up his or her own opinion after actaully having played what ever game they will play or try and might take note of what is said negative or postive but will leave it at that, just a note.......
im sorry but i doubt they spended 150$ million dollars in a goofy theme park holy triad tunnel space combat mmorpg. Unless the actors ripped bioware with expensives caches.
So will you be getting the life time subscription to the game?
yes i will(not being sarcastic), but i think we deserve more friend.
Op ..its all what you want to see. All we have now is what people think of some video, picture.. thats it. Buy the game then see how you like it (when it comes out). Keep looking up.. time is running out..
The Problem is the negativity here is fueld by one of there writers. So many people here say they want a new sw galaxies but no one plays that game. Why would bioware make it. Want star wars galaxies go play it.
No No and no again. this site isnt indicitive of all sites. The sw tor site has huge amounts of excited cant wait type posts. I for one dont really think the space part of star wars game is that important im just excited it will be a part of the sw universe in tor. U get player housing U get to do space battles even if are tunnell shooters.
Star wars is never about exploration. Sorry it isnt thats star trek. In star wars space is used for 2 reasons, to get where u wanna go and to fight battles. Period. Bioware is gonna capture both of these. In star wars books and movies no one goes around saying what is in this star system. Lando has a mining operation but its a cooperate one. Not a single player operation.
The class system seems cool, the classes look neat, the races ive seen so far are amazing. Sure most of them may be humanoid like chiss, and zabrak and sith pure blood. that doesnt make them human. Any more then blood evles are humans in wow.
These are the 2 biggest complaints that and its not a sandbox. No one plays sandbox games. The biggest best sand box is eve and maybe they get 500 k subs. Bioware was always gonn amake a story driven themepark. with open world areas on planets. this was never gonna be galaxies.
One this is bioware not soe and 2 this didnt work for galaxies why would lucas let anohter galaxies be made when galaxies still exists.
Op ..its all what you want to see. All we have now is what people think of some video, picture.. thats it. Buy the game then see how you like it (when it comes out). Keep looking up.. time is running out..
I totally agree, which is why I continue to be cautiously optimistic. Trust me, if this game is not fun, I will be like all of those twisted AOC people who were let down when that was released hovering like ghosts around this forum and scarred for life lol. Star Trek Online was a major disappointment to me which I fortunately didn't buy.
The Problem is the negativity here is fueld by one of there writers. So many people here say they want a new sw galaxies but no one plays that game. Why would bioware make it. Want star wars galaxies go play it.
That is why I mentioned the writers in my initial post :-) lol
im sorry but i doubt they spended 150$ million dollars in a goofy theme park holy triad tunnel space combat mmorpg. Unless the actors ripped bioware with expensives caches.
So will you be getting the life time subscription to the game?
yes i will(not being sarcastic), but i think we deserve more friend.
In the end I may end up agreeing with you, but until I can really sink my teeth into it I just can't draw a conclusion. Then again, theme park doesn't bother me, nor does sandbox if they are good games.
Just because some people feel the SW universe is better served in a sandbox and skill based system does not suggest that SWG is the holy grail of Star Wars MMO. What I am saying is to try to cookie cut the SW universe into a holy trinity theme park mmo does not do just justice to SW. Maybe I need to adjust my thinking. Maybe I am putting BW's mmo in the wrong light. To me BW's SW:ToR is a KoTOR mmo and not a SW universe mmo. Which is to say it is a single player MMO I guess? Because what BW is doing to me does not represent the SW universe as a whole. To me it is just BW's single player game on a persistent server. It seems people are settling for a theme park, cookie cutter, SinglePlayerMMORPG because of their love of KoTOR and they are hoping the story will carry the game. To be honest I can get stories in every Single Player RPG ever made which is an extensive list. I play MMO's to see universes and worlds come alive with thousands of other real players, not just the parts that will conform around a Story. This again is my opinion.
Just because some people feel the SW universe is better served in a sandbox and skill based system does not suggest that SWG is the holy grail of Star Wars MMO. What I am saying is to try to cookie cut the SW universe into a holy trinity theme park mmo does not do just justice to SW. Maybe I need to adjust my thinking. Maybe I am putting BW's mmo in the wrong light. To me BW's SW:ToR is a KoTOR mmo and not a SW universe mmo. Which is to say it is a single player MMO I guess? Because what BW is doing to me does not represent the SW universe as a whole. To me it is just BW's single player game on a persistent server. It seems people are settling for a theme park, cookie cutter, SinglePlayerMMORPG because of their love of KoTOR and they are hoping the story will carry the game. To be honest I can get stories in every Single Player RPG ever made which is an extensive list. I play MMO's to see universes and worlds come alive with thousands of other real players, not just the parts that will conform around a Story. This again is my opinion.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz There is still an active thread (in fact numerous threads) about why this will be a big open world and is an MMO, not a single player game (though solo play is there for those who prefer). If you choose to ignore those posts (I mean geez, the thread is only a few lines down from this one) and just unload unfounded comments like SinglePlayer MMO, then thats your choice.
This game is Wow with lightsabers, nothing can change that fact. This game is a moneygraber wowstile+famous IP
Even if this were true, I think a lot of us would be just fine with that. WoW was a great game that many of us here have simply burned out on. I played it for years, but now I can't stand the thought of even logging in.
WoW with multiple planets to explore, new races, new classes, new quests, amazing new story archs... AND lightsabers!!!
While I think that you're completely wrong, this game will be so much more than just WoW with lightsabers... WoW with lightsabers sounds pretty f***ing awesome to me.
That is why there is so much negativity the forums on the Main TOR site are basically run roughshod by people like you mmonooblet, any dissention from the WOW paradigm on the forums is simply deleted, so the other side got a taste of what they were in for real quick. So if there is anyone talking bad about the game here, they simply have no voice anywhere else.
Case in point the number one topic is "Thousands of Armor sets sound awesome" there are no topics on crafting, pvp, environment, lightsaber crafting, vehicle construction, droid construction or any of that good stuff that the other side wanted because it got stamped out quickly and since a sizeable number of the Star Wars fanbase likes that kind of thing and you basically told them to get bent..... well what did you think would happen? None of US wanted wow in space, we didnt' want wow in space when the NGE was put out and we STILL dont want wow in space... maybe this next awesome failure will teach you a lesson.
None of US wanted wow in space, we didnt' want wow in space when the NGE was put out and we STILL dont want wow in space... maybe this next awesome failure will teach you a lesson.
I'm guessing that with us you mean 'Pre-NGE SWG vets'.
Anyway. Interesting bet. What if SW:TOR is a huge success. Will that teach a lesson too, but then to you?
Will you say 'maybe we were wrong and maybe a non-sandbox SW MMO really can be great and successful; and maybe SWG would have continued bleeding 10,000s and 10,000s of subs if there hadn't been a NGE'?
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
None of US wanted wow in space, we didnt' want wow in space when the NGE was put out and we STILL dont want wow in space... maybe this next awesome failure will teach you a lesson.
I'm guessing that with us you mean 'Pre-NGE SWG vets'.
Anyway. Interesting bet. What if SW:TOR is a huge success. Will that teach a lesson too, but then to you?
Will you say 'maybe we were wrong and maybe a non-sandbox SW MMO really can be great and successful; and maybe SWG would have continued bleeding 10,000s and 10,000s of subs if there hadn't been a NGE'?
Seems to me that WOW in space wouldn't be that bad, and if the story is good its worth playing. I came to MMOs from pen and paper roleplaying games, so I really am just looking to be part of an absorbing story in a multiplayer world. Bioware has not let me down in the more than a decade I have enjoyed their products, so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
I just don't think they understand the market too well though. MMOS succeed not by being fun, but by being addicting, forcing grinding and tricking the player into thinking they're having fun. I don't know if they'll be able to keep players after they go through their content.
None of US wanted wow in space, we didnt' want wow in space when the NGE was put out and we STILL dont want wow in space... maybe this next awesome failure will teach you a lesson.
I'm guessing that with us you mean 'Pre-NGE SWG vets'.
Anyway. Interesting bet. What if SW:TOR is a huge success. Will that teach a lesson too, but then to you?
Will you say 'maybe we were wrong and maybe a non-sandbox SW MMO really can be great and successful; and maybe SWG would have continued bleeding 10,000s and 10,000s of subs if there hadn't been a NGE'?
Well SWG was sloppy before the NGE .. the NGE just made it die much much faster.. it was a combination of bad release, convulation and stacking WOW clone on top of it. As for bleeding subs... let see who is bleeding subs right now shall we?
AOC.. Might have 30k subs right now..... MIGHT, WAR on its way to being FTP and possibly dead, LOTR in now FTP because .. it has no choice.... sort of does away with the argument that WOW clones do better than Sandbox games since EVE online is not only larger than all these games put together, its subs are still going up every year.
And no I dont mean pre NGE vets, I actually was still playing Ultima and was thinking of playing SWG but someone I knew that played told me about this Disasterous NGE thing and to stay away. So I just Started playing Shadowbane, Ryzom, EVE and WOW.
SWG vets are a big source of the negativity for this game... which, for me, says good things about the game. If SWG Vets had good things to say, that would point to the likelyhood of this game really sucking.
Well SWG was sloppy before the NGE .. the NGE just made it die much much faster.. it was a combination of bad release, convulation and stacking WOW clone on top of it. As for bleeding subs... let see who is bleeding subs right now shall we?
AOC.. Might have 30k subs right now..... MIGHT, WAR on its way to being FTP and possibly dead, LOTR in now FTP because .. it has no choice.... sort of does away with the argument that WOW clones do better than Sandbox games since EVE online is not only larger than all these games put together, its subs are still going up every year.
Actually, LotrO is doing pretty well, with their revenue doubled and player numbers being 3-4 times what they were before. It wasn't because Turbine had to do it, it is because after seeing the results for DDO they wanted to do it.
And yes, themepark MMO's and EQ-styled MMO's are doing better than sandbox games, WoW and EVE Online are anomalies and unique occurrences of their own, ignore these 2 and the picture becomes even clearer how so many more people are playing non-sandbox MMO's.
That potential also shows in the initial box sales of that kind of MMORPG's: WAR, AoC and Aion had box sales reaching a million and more, that's a number that sandbox MMO sales don't even come close to reaching.
The problem isn't that there is no interest for themepark and EQ-styled MMO's - the numbers clearly show that there's far more interest for that kind of MMO's than for sandbox-type of MMO's - but that the former games had trouble holding them, due to rushed and unfinished releases.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
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Understand something, this site is titled "MMORPG".... not "SW-TOR Fan Site". It's a site to discuss the nuts and bolts of gaming by gamers. It's not a site designed to promote positive spin about any one game. That would be the games official Forum's.
As far as I'm concerned topics that boil down to "I'm really disappointed in the direction they chose for this game.... here is why". Are every inch as valid as "I'm really excited about the things they are doing with this game."
Where is the problem with that? It's a DISCUSSION site..... the entire purpose is to converse a topic with people who have different viewpoints from your own. A site that only presents a single perspective or view-point would be called a BLOG, not a Forum.
I don't think anyone is arguing that BIOWARE doesn't have the right to design the type of game they want.....or they somehow owe it to people to make a different game. However it's a fair question to ask how well thier design fits the IP, the fan base....or the medium.
Even if this were true, I think a lot of us would be just fine with that. WoW was a great game that many of us here have simply burned out on. I played it for years, but now I can't stand the thought of even logging in.
WoW with multiple planets to explore, new races, new classes, new quests, amazing new story archs... AND lightsabers!!!
While I think that you're completely wrong, this game will be so much more than just WoW with lightsabers... WoW with lightsabers sounds pretty f***ing awesome to me.
I dont agree. I think this will be an improvement on WOW in several aspects already discussed in numerous threads, not totally ground breaking based on what we have seen so far (though a deep story where people pay attention to the quests and better AI for the NPCs based on what is out there may be ground breaking to some), but definitely a big enough improvement to stand on its own merits.
If it creates the same amount of fun factor as the 12 million people who played WOW rather then the .001% here who continue to complain about sandbox elements they won't have, is that bad, not to me.
Also, if its grabbing money and people are enjoying it and the company is profitable, that is a bad thing?
My biggest complaint continues to be only regarding the animations which improved over the last 2 months. Whats funny is that I tried Warhammer last night for the first time in a year and quickly realized the animations in that game, WOW, LOTRO, etc are all not what I wish. All of a sudden the animations in this game didn't look that horrible, though I hope they keep to their word and continue improving them which I'm sure they will.
There Is Always Hope!
TOR is probably the most hyped game out right now. But at the same time there is a lot of negativity on it. More than ive seen in a long time. That tells me there is a huge potential client base out there that want to play a great SW MMO yet most bitch about it because of their disapointment that this is what theyre getting on their one true chance at a great SW MMO and for a long time to come.
I think the game will sell well from this hype, even the people the hate it will probably buy it to sate their curiosity. But eventually the insistant arrogant narrow minded view of the developers will come back and bite Bioware rght in the ass. Hopefully with the help of EA and their guaranteed hype sales ... the devs will get their heads out of the ass andperfect it.
As for me, ill probably buy it, play as much as I can out of my free month, hopefully get to the end of the stories for a couple classes, then wait for a private server or a server emulator.
not to mention the fact that they poured over a 150 million dollars into this game. What kind of a money grabber would that be? They stand to lose money trying to do this sort of thing. Takes alot of ballz on ea and bw part that is for sure.
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
if ppl are having fun(and many ppl will) it´s alright. i only wished for creativity + quality; not repetion + quality;
george lucas please make a real star wars mmorpg you are rich already. so both kind of players will be hapypy.
Great point! With 150millon, there better be a few decent parts of the game
I'll just stop right there and disagree.
Most MMO players dont give a damn, they arent burnt out, and they arent busy reading forums. They just play the game to have fun, and I'd hazzard a guess that most of 'em dont ever visit a forum. Places like this, and folks who come here have a deeper interest, but I dont for a SECOND think that we are indicitave of the general MMO-public. We dont represent it, we are simply a vocal minority. Maybe as a whole we are burned out of the current crop of MMO's, but the masses? Nope.
im sorry but i doubt they spended 150$ million dollars in a goofy theme park holy triad tunnel space combat mmorpg. Unless the actors ripped bioware with expensives caches.
So will you be getting the life time subscription to the game?
There Is Always Hope!
Is the negativity on this site a good sign for The Old Republic?
If people would actually believe the negativity for what ever game on what ever forum then no game ever is actually fun.
So in the end it doesn't really matter if it's negative or positive as any gamer with common sense will make up his or her own opinion after actaully having played what ever game they will play or try and might take note of what is said negative or postive but will leave it at that, just a note.......
yes i will(not being sarcastic), but i think we deserve more friend.
Op ..its all what you want to see. All we have now is what people think of some video, picture.. thats it. Buy the game then see how you like it (when it comes out). Keep looking up.. time is running out..
The Problem is the negativity here is fueld by one of there writers. So many people here say they want a new sw galaxies but no one plays that game. Why would bioware make it. Want star wars galaxies go play it.
No No and no again. this site isnt indicitive of all sites. The sw tor site has huge amounts of excited cant wait type posts. I for one dont really think the space part of star wars game is that important im just excited it will be a part of the sw universe in tor. U get player housing U get to do space battles even if are tunnell shooters.
Star wars is never about exploration. Sorry it isnt thats star trek. In star wars space is used for 2 reasons, to get where u wanna go and to fight battles. Period. Bioware is gonna capture both of these. In star wars books and movies no one goes around saying what is in this star system. Lando has a mining operation but its a cooperate one. Not a single player operation.
The class system seems cool, the classes look neat, the races ive seen so far are amazing. Sure most of them may be humanoid like chiss, and zabrak and sith pure blood. that doesnt make them human. Any more then blood evles are humans in wow.
These are the 2 biggest complaints that and its not a sandbox. No one plays sandbox games. The biggest best sand box is eve and maybe they get 500 k subs. Bioware was always gonn amake a story driven themepark. with open world areas on planets. this was never gonna be galaxies.
One this is bioware not soe and 2 this didnt work for galaxies why would lucas let anohter galaxies be made when galaxies still exists.
I totally agree, which is why I continue to be cautiously optimistic. Trust me, if this game is not fun, I will be like all of those twisted AOC people who were let down when that was released hovering like ghosts around this forum and scarred for life lol. Star Trek Online was a major disappointment to me which I fortunately didn't buy.
There Is Always Hope!
That is why I mentioned the writers in my initial post :-) lol
There Is Always Hope!
In the end I may end up agreeing with you, but until I can really sink my teeth into it I just can't draw a conclusion. Then again, theme park doesn't bother me, nor does sandbox if they are good games.
There Is Always Hope!
Just because some people feel the SW universe is better served in a sandbox and skill based system does not suggest that SWG is the holy grail of Star Wars MMO. What I am saying is to try to cookie cut the SW universe into a holy trinity theme park mmo does not do just justice to SW. Maybe I need to adjust my thinking. Maybe I am putting BW's mmo in the wrong light. To me BW's SW:ToR is a KoTOR mmo and not a SW universe mmo. Which is to say it is a single player MMO I guess? Because what BW is doing to me does not represent the SW universe as a whole. To me it is just BW's single player game on a persistent server. It seems people are settling for a theme park, cookie cutter, SinglePlayerMMORPG because of their love of KoTOR and they are hoping the story will carry the game. To be honest I can get stories in every Single Player RPG ever made which is an extensive list. I play MMO's to see universes and worlds come alive with thousands of other real players, not just the parts that will conform around a Story. This again is my opinion.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz There is still an active thread (in fact numerous threads) about why this will be a big open world and is an MMO, not a single player game (though solo play is there for those who prefer). If you choose to ignore those posts (I mean geez, the thread is only a few lines down from this one) and just unload unfounded comments like SinglePlayer MMO, then thats your choice.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/293767/Is-this-an-MMO.html
Regardless, keep posting because when all is said and done it may end up supporting my initial post lol.
There Is Always Hope!
That is why there is so much negativity the forums on the Main TOR site are basically run roughshod by people like you mmonooblet, any dissention from the WOW paradigm on the forums is simply deleted, so the other side got a taste of what they were in for real quick. So if there is anyone talking bad about the game here, they simply have no voice anywhere else.
Case in point the number one topic is "Thousands of Armor sets sound awesome" there are no topics on crafting, pvp, environment, lightsaber crafting, vehicle construction, droid construction or any of that good stuff that the other side wanted because it got stamped out quickly and since a sizeable number of the Star Wars fanbase likes that kind of thing and you basically told them to get bent..... well what did you think would happen? None of US wanted wow in space, we didnt' want wow in space when the NGE was put out and we STILL dont want wow in space... maybe this next awesome failure will teach you a lesson.
I'm guessing that with us you mean 'Pre-NGE SWG vets'.
Anyway. Interesting bet. What if SW:TOR is a huge success. Will that teach a lesson too, but then to you?
Will you say 'maybe we were wrong and maybe a non-sandbox SW MMO really can be great and successful; and maybe SWG would have continued bleeding 10,000s and 10,000s of subs if there hadn't been a NGE'?
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Seems to me that WOW in space wouldn't be that bad, and if the story is good its worth playing. I came to MMOs from pen and paper roleplaying games, so I really am just looking to be part of an absorbing story in a multiplayer world. Bioware has not let me down in the more than a decade I have enjoyed their products, so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
I just don't think they understand the market too well though. MMOS succeed not by being fun, but by being addicting, forcing grinding and tricking the player into thinking they're having fun. I don't know if they'll be able to keep players after they go through their content.
Well SWG was sloppy before the NGE .. the NGE just made it die much much faster.. it was a combination of bad release, convulation and stacking WOW clone on top of it. As for bleeding subs... let see who is bleeding subs right now shall we?
AOC.. Might have 30k subs right now..... MIGHT, WAR on its way to being FTP and possibly dead, LOTR in now FTP because .. it has no choice.... sort of does away with the argument that WOW clones do better than Sandbox games since EVE online is not only larger than all these games put together, its subs are still going up every year.
And no I dont mean pre NGE vets, I actually was still playing Ultima and was thinking of playing SWG but someone I knew that played told me about this Disasterous NGE thing and to stay away. So I just Started playing Shadowbane, Ryzom, EVE and WOW.
I agree with this.
Actually, LotrO is doing pretty well, with their revenue doubled and player numbers being 3-4 times what they were before. It wasn't because Turbine had to do it, it is because after seeing the results for DDO they wanted to do it.
And yes, themepark MMO's and EQ-styled MMO's are doing better than sandbox games, WoW and EVE Online are anomalies and unique occurrences of their own, ignore these 2 and the picture becomes even clearer how so many more people are playing non-sandbox MMO's.
That potential also shows in the initial box sales of that kind of MMORPG's: WAR, AoC and Aion had box sales reaching a million and more, that's a number that sandbox MMO sales don't even come close to reaching.
The problem isn't that there is no interest for themepark and EQ-styled MMO's - the numbers clearly show that there's far more interest for that kind of MMO's than for sandbox-type of MMO's - but that the former games had trouble holding them, due to rushed and unfinished releases.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."