Glad to see I've made a lot of the haters here very happy with my initial misunderstanding based off the wierd issue with the way GameSpot does their content distribution leading to that initial misconception.
Anywho, you guys have your first negative professional review. Seems I jumped the gun to assume the average was going to be 8.0 or higher after seeing the Cheat Code Central review's 8.4. Go pop a champaign cork, vindication is yours at last, it's party time for you.
Here are the exact words from the review you use as an example:
We can’t recommend that you spend $50, and then $12.99 a month after the first 30 days, on a title that has as many flaws as FFXIV does.
With a comment like that at the end of the review and a score like that it makes me suspect that that score is bought and paid for.
Considering a majorit of gamers agree with them, if they actually recommended it I would consider them bought and paid for.
Glad to see I've made a lot of the haters here very happy with my initial misunderstanding based off the wierd issue with the way GameSpot does their content distribution leading to that initial misconception.
Anywho, you guys have your first negative professional review. Seems I jumped the gun to assume the average was going to be 8.0 or higher after seeing the Cheat Code Central review's 8.4. Go pop a champaign cork, vindication is yours at last, it's party time for you.
Here are the exact words from the review you use as an example:
We can’t recommend that you spend $50, and then $12.99 a month after the first 30 days, on a title that has as many flaws as FFXIV does.
With a comment like that at the end of the review and a score like that it makes me suspect that that score is bought and paid for.
Considering a majorit of gamers agree with them, if they actually recommended it I would consider them bought and paid for.
He's saying they paid for the glowing parts and the actual rating, because a high score just doesn't mesh with that last comment and makes it seem fishy.
Glad to see I've made a lot of the haters here very happy with my initial misunderstanding based off the wierd issue with the way GameSpot does their content distribution leading to that initial misconception.
Anywho, you guys have your first negative professional review. Seems I jumped the gun to assume the average was going to be 8.0 or higher after seeing the Cheat Code Central review's 8.4. Go pop a champaign cork, vindication is yours at last, it's party time for you.
Here are the exact words from the review you use as an example:
We can’t recommend that you spend $50, and then $12.99 a month after the first 30 days, on a title that has as many flaws as FFXIV does.
With a comment like that at the end of the review and a score like that it makes me suspect that that score is bought and paid for.
Considering a majorit of gamers agree with them, if they actually recommended it I would consider them bought and paid for.
He's saying they paid for the glowing parts and the actual rating, because a high score just doesn't mesh with that last comment and makes it seem fishy.
You are right. I misread. Thought it was referring to GS.
I see alot of similarities between this game and WAR, and FFIV's future. Overhyped mmo with a popular IP. Lots of box sales. Overwhelming negative opinions. Launching close to the release of a WoW expansion.
All of that leads me to believe that FFIV might end up being a flop like WAR was/is. Oh, and I love some of the arrogant posturing by some of the "fans" here defending the game by saying the rest of us just aren't intelligent or patient enough. To all those people: Get bent, you're not nearly as smart as you think you are.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
EVE is more about "doing" than "getting done". I don't know why, maybe the lack of levels make me not feel in a rush. Themeparks though are notorious for "hey wanna do ? oh wait you got to be 25 first". then when you're 25 "yeah, i've done it 10 imes already, not going there again". whereas in eve you can tag along in a crappy ship...because in an advanced player's hands that crappy ship can be some technical deathbringing monster. So the enemy has no clue you're just fying around trying to figure out what "soft allign' means.
Just saying, passive align is useless whereas soft align actually does something. Aside from that, Square's performance has been declining; there's really no denying it. Nier was an almighty flop, Front Mission Evolved is mediocre and FFXIII was horribly paced. Great game, pathetic ten-hour tutorial. Fantasy Earth Zero is something of an abused stepchild for Square; they cancelled it swiftly and brushed it under the rug... but it's still a Square game; it still made it past release. I understand that, as a massive publisher, you can't release a triple-A title every other month. But from what I've seen there's a massive rift between Square's reputation and their current performance that nobody really seems to notice.
"Smacking kids doesn't hurt them, kinetic energy does!"- Doctor Tobia
I see alot of similarities between this game and WAR, and FFIV's future. Overhyped mmo with a popular IP. Lots of box sales. Overwhelming negative opinions. Launching close to the release of a WoW expansion.
All of that leads me to believe that FFIV might end up being a flop like WAR was/is. Oh, and I love some of the arrogant posturing by some of the "fans" here defending the game by saying the rest of us just aren't intelligent or patient enough. To all those people: Get bent, you're not nearly as smart as you think you are.
Ginaz, I agree and disagree with you in part.
People saying you need a certain level of patience or intelligence to play the game are flat out wrong. They're wrong because it's a matter of taste, you can't force someone to like a particular style of game... so I'll just leave it at that.
Here's where I disagree with you. SE and Mythic are not the same company.
Unfortunately for SE, it's history repeating itself. FFXI released in Japan in FAR WORSE shape than did FFXIV world wide. SE has a loyal fan base that paid the subs to the point where FFXI became one of the most successful mmo's in history. It's still going strong today. It averaged around 500k subscribers, and peaked at around 750k.
Mythic does not have that track record of slowing developing and redefining a game. SE under estimated how the game would be recieved, but it doesnt' change the fact that their history SHOWS they can fix things and make them fantastic.
For people like me, that's why I believe my outlook on the future of FFXIV is not false hope. A lot of people have already jumped ship. They did also for FFXI. Many people will stay and grow with the game.
FFXIV will never reach mainstream appeal because of the way its designed, but it won't flop either. It will be in 1-2 years where FFXI Was in 1-2 years. I enjoy the game in its current form while also realizing changes are coming.
This is really going to hurt them. Usually when an MMO releases to bad reviews and word of mouth, they don't seem to grow much population wise. It's a stigma that sticks with the game.
I fully expect a "re-review" in the near future. There will be an overwhelming amount of backlash from the review which will result in an apology and a new review; which will be grossly inflated.
Now, where did I put my Tin-foil hat?
~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!
What backlash? I read the reviews from users, seems to no backlash from them. The reviews run the full range of the scores, pretty balanced. And why would anybody from Gamespot care is some people at SE are butt hurt? SE doesn't pay the bills, neither do the fanboys.
It was sarcasm... >.<
~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!
Actually, I could believe it. Sure, it's 4.0 now, but if it turns out to be jarringly low compared to a greater body of reviews, and if the game itself continues to improve past the past where the greater bulk of the reviewer's points seem like vestigial worries, then indeed that 4.0 could be considered a massive eye-sore that results in GameStop feeling the need to do a re-review.
After all, re-reviews are not uncommon among MMORPGs. Darkfall got one. Most MMORPGs get one every time an expansion comes out.
Well I feel all MMOs should get re-reviewed over time. Like say every year or so, just to point out how far the game evolved since it's launch. A lot of games launch as dogs and after a year or so end up being a great game.
Yeah I think it is unprofessional to review a game in such a short stint. I also don't think this game will be a flop like some have stated, it has flaws but gosh have I had a good time in this game. So many dreary tales from so many unsatisfied players, but honestly I can't relate. I'm pretty sure it's because my LS is so great, we do everything together and getting gear is not a problem cause we work together as a guild, not charging each other for gear and giving mats to one another so we never run out. We also have great grinding groups so ranking and leveling is not an issue, I suppose this is why my opinion is so high of the game still, and to be honest I believe this was SE's intent. But again I can see why people would see the Gamespot review to be 'spot on' if you will, but I think that is because a lot of players have spent just about the same amount of time in game as the reviewer spent reviewing the game. You can't get any sound idea of anything by spending such a limited time on it, especially MMOs. Again, my opinion of Gamespot is that it is unprofessional. I will stand strong on that statement too, I never look at that website just because it follows public trends instead of coming to it's own unbiased conclusion.
This is what Gamespot said under bad comments listed at the beginning of the review. I put the most telling comments in yellow.
Gamespot:
Absolutely miserable interface
Does a poor job of communicating important information
Limited questing means you're always looking for something fun to do
Everything about the economy stinks
Every aspect of the game is filled with dumb obstacles.
That about sums it up. What a profound disappointment at a time when this genre needs a home run. Even a mediocre, average game would be well recieved, and yet SE can not even rise to the challenge and offer that. I think it doesn't even rise to the calibre of what should be expected of a 'failure'.
Having been an XI player for a while and loving it's pace, art direction, social and play mechanics I must admit I was anticipating XIV just like many of the other XI vets. I put up with Playonline's “click 8 times to play” as a condition of getting to XI which is still my favorite game.
I've read lots of negative comments from people who say they are fans of FF, some vets of XI, many of whom pre-ordered the XIV CE. The main sentiment I've read has been one of disappointment.
Gamespot gives it an extremely low score and lots of people on this thread and on mmorpg forums seem to agree. Like I've said many of those who are complaining say they are fans of SE, some vets of XI and other FF titles, not impatient noobs.
The complaints keep coming but FFXIV defenders still cling to the tired line(s) that people are impatient, seeking instant gratification, haters, trolls, lazy, “WoW brainwashed” etc. (“WoW brainwashed” rofl!)
I'm not inclined to believe that the complaints, bad review(s) and disappointment expressed so far are a product of misunderstanding, misinformation, impatience or bias with respect to SE, XIV or FF in general.
I think it's more likely that the overall negative reception XIV has received is at least somewhat justified based on forum comments, the sheer volume of negative opinions and to some degree the ferocity of the defense by the games apologists. (Hamlet?)
Perhaps the Gamespot score isn't “spot on”. Maybe the user review score(s) and comments on Gamespot are less than accurate. Maybe the negative sentiments expressed so far on mmorpg.com are “inaccurate”.
What score do you give it? (arghh the post didn't get all my poll options)
If you cut it too short you can always nail a piece on the end.
If you cut it too long then what the hell are you gonna do?
I see alot of similarities between this game and WAR, and FFIV's future. Overhyped mmo with a popular IP. Lots of box sales. Overwhelming negative opinions. Launching close to the release of a WoW expansion.
All of that leads me to believe that FFIV might end up being a flop like WAR was/is. Oh, and I love some of the arrogant posturing by some of the "fans" here defending the game by saying the rest of us just aren't intelligent or patient enough. To all those people: Get bent, you're not nearly as smart as you think you are.
Ginaz, I agree and disagree with you in part.
People saying you need a certain level of patience or intelligence to play the game are flat out wrong. They're wrong because it's a matter of taste, you can't force someone to like a particular style of game... so I'll just leave it at that.
Here's where I disagree with you. SE and Mythic are not the same company.
Unfortunately for SE, it's history repeating itself. FFXI released in Japan in FAR WORSE shape than did FFXIV world wide. SE has a loyal fan base that paid the subs to the point where FFXI became one of the most successful mmo's in history. It's still going strong today. It averaged around 500k subscribers, and peaked at around 750k.
Mythic does not have that track record of slowing developing and redefining a game. SE under estimated how the game would be recieved, but it doesnt' change the fact that their history SHOWS they can fix things and make them fantastic.
For people like me, that's why I believe my outlook on the future of FFXIV is not false hope. A lot of people have already jumped ship. They did also for FFXI. Many people will stay and grow with the game.
FFXIV will never reach mainstream appeal because of the way its designed, but it won't flop either. It will be in 1-2 years where FFXI Was in 1-2 years. I enjoy the game in its current form while also realizing changes are coming.
I hate to break it to you, but FFXIV was designed for mainstream appeal. They just failed miserably by not listening.
sad thing for me is alot of what they mentioned were problems are thing i had problems with in FF11, so it appears that they really didn't learn anything from their first game. I know people are going to be like well don't play it ect. and trust me I won't, but at the same time I remember all this talk about how they were expecting to get more people out of this game, and not just getting people who enjoyed FF11, how it was going to be more casual, ect. Doesn't look like it to me.
the interface is something that can be gotten use to, but at some point you have to ask if you are making changes to be better or just for the sake of making changes.
i remember playing ff3 on snes im that old. back then it was amazing. tactics, ff7, alot of them were great. I went on a trip and got myself a ps3 so that whil ei traveled on business i could play.
I bought some of teh newer final fantasies and they strayed so far from what made them great. That's just my opinion. In beta on ff14 i knew i wouldnt pre-order. I waited to see if things were changed. Im sorry to the people that enjoy it, i enjoyed apb. I can't really enjoy this game and from beta to release nothing has changed.
don't take offense if you enjoy but its a bad game, with bad mechanics, and 100's of mmo's have released much more polished turds that are successful.
Im really dissapointed in square for releasing this game, just like i was with mythic, and EA etc.
would be nice to have a change of pace in the mmo world with a good game at release. cataclysm is not getting very high scores from its testers atm either. so dont go getting excited about the same wow xpac treatment ie: level cap increase, new profession that you level easily, more emblem grinding, and more fotm comps for pvp.
I really think the mmo industry as consumers is looking for something new but gaming companies just arent delivering.
Yeah I think it is unprofessional to review a game in such a short stint. I also don't think this game will be a flop like some have stated, it has flaws but gosh have I had a good time in this game. So many dreary tales from so many unsatisfied players, but honestly I can't relate. I'm pretty sure it's because my LS is so great, we do everything together and getting gear is not a problem cause we work together as a guild, not charging each other for gear and giving mats to one another so we never run out. We also have great grinding groups so ranking and leveling is not an issue, I suppose this is why my opinion is so high of the game still, and to be honest I believe this was SE's intent. But again I can see why people would see the Gamespot review to be 'spot on' if you will, but I think that is because a lot of players have spent just about the same amount of time in game as the reviewer spent reviewing the game. You can't get any sound idea of anything by spending such a limited time on it, especially MMOs. Again, my opinion of Gamespot is that it is unprofessional. I will stand strong on that statement too, I never look at that website just because it follows public trends instead of coming to it's own unbiased conclusion.
/shrug
Their reviews seem pretty spot on to me most of the time. I'm not going to say I always agree with their reviews. There are certainly times my opinion of a game has differed from theirs, but frankly I think you're reaching with your comments simply because they gave a bad review to a game you like.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
This is really going to hurt them. Usually when an MMO releases to bad reviews and word of mouth, they don't seem to grow much population wise. It's a stigma that sticks with the game.
I fully expect a "re-review" in the near future. There will be an overwhelming amount of backlash from the review which will result in an apology and a new review; which will be grossly inflated.
Now, where did I put my Tin-foil hat?
~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!
What backlash? I read the reviews from users, seems to no backlash from them. The reviews run the full range of the scores, pretty balanced. And why would anybody from Gamespot care is some people at SE are butt hurt? SE doesn't pay the bills, neither do the fanboys.
It was sarcasm... >.<
~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!
Actually, I could believe it. Sure, it's 4.0 now, but if it turns out to be jarringly low compared to a greater body of reviews, and if the game itself continues to improve past the past where the greater bulk of the reviewer's points seem like vestigial worries, then indeed that 4.0 could be considered a massive eye-sore that results in GameStop feeling the need to do a re-review.
After all, re-reviews are not uncommon among MMORPGs. Darkfall got one. Most MMORPGs get one every time an expansion comes out.
Well I feel all MMOs should get re-reviewed over time. Like say every year or so, just to point out how far the game evolved since it's launch. A lot of games launch as dogs and after a year or so end up being a great game.
Yeah I think it is unprofessional to review a game in such a short stint. I also don't think this game will be a flop like some have stated, it has flaws but gosh have I had a good time in this game. So many dreary tales from so many unsatisfied players, but honestly I can't relate. I'm pretty sure it's because my LS is so great, we do everything together and getting gear is not a problem cause we work together as a guild, not charging each other for gear and giving mats to one another so we never run out. We also have great grinding groups so ranking and leveling is not an issue, I suppose this is why my opinion is so high of the game still, and to be honest I believe this was SE's intent. But again I can see why people would see the Gamespot review to be 'spot on' if you will, but I think that is because a lot of players have spent just about the same amount of time in game as the reviewer spent reviewing the game. You can't get any sound idea of anything by spending such a limited time on it, especially MMOs. Again, my opinion of Gamespot is that it is unprofessional. I will stand strong on that statement too, I never look at that website just because it follows public trends instead of coming to it's own unbiased conclusion.
Every mmo gets a review within the same time frame as FFIV did. Its not special or unique. Its the industry standard when it comes to review sites and magazines. If people are plopping down money on a game then its ready for review. Period. Besides, I'm usually able to tell if I'm going to enjoy a game within the first hour or so. If it doesn't hook you or at least interest you by then, then it most likely never will. Think of it this way. You go into a restuarant and order a meal. If the meatloaf tatstes like donkey ass then I'm sure as hell not going to keep eating and then try the salad. Call me crazy, but thats how I roll.
If you enjoy the game and intend to keep playing, good for you. I've got no problem with that. Different strokes and all that. What kind of pisses me off is the attitude some of the "fans" take. They seem to think that they're somehow more intelligent than the rest of us and that we "just don't get it". The "fans" can stick that arrogant crap up their asses. And its pretty telling and LOL worthy when one of the games biggest defenders and "fans" on this site makes the epic Picard face palm statement that a negative review from a major gaming site wasn't true because it was hacked by meanies who hate the game and kick puppies in their spare time. Of course when I saw who it was, I wasn't all that surprised.
Really, its all a moot point now. Bad game is bad. I think SE would be better served working on making the PS3 version, though, I doubt many console gamers will enjoy getting owned by a ladybug, either. Maybe they're going down the Cryptic road with their business "strategy":
1. Sell boxes
2. Retention? ROFL, yeah right
3. .....
4. Profit
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
This is really going to hurt them. Usually when an MMO releases to bad reviews and word of mouth, they don't seem to grow much population wise. It's a stigma that sticks with the game.
I fully expect a "re-review" in the near future. There will be an overwhelming amount of backlash from the review which will result in an apology and a new review; which will be grossly inflated.
Now, where did I put my Tin-foil hat?
~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!
What backlash? I read the reviews from users, seems to no backlash from them. The reviews run the full range of the scores, pretty balanced. And why would anybody from Gamespot care is some people at SE are butt hurt? SE doesn't pay the bills, neither do the fanboys.
It was sarcasm... >.<
~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!
Actually, I could believe it. Sure, it's 4.0 now, but if it turns out to be jarringly low compared to a greater body of reviews, and if the game itself continues to improve past the past where the greater bulk of the reviewer's points seem like vestigial worries, then indeed that 4.0 could be considered a massive eye-sore that results in GameStop feeling the need to do a re-review.
After all, re-reviews are not uncommon among MMORPGs. Darkfall got one. Most MMORPGs get one every time an expansion comes out.
Well I feel all MMOs should get re-reviewed over time. Like say every year or so, just to point out how far the game evolved since it's launch. A lot of games launch as dogs and after a year or so end up being a great game.
Yeah I think it is unprofessional to review a game in such a short stint. I also don't think this game will be a flop like some have stated, it has flaws but gosh have I had a good time in this game. So many dreary tales from so many unsatisfied players, but honestly I can't relate. I'm pretty sure it's because my LS is so great, we do everything together and getting gear is not a problem cause we work together as a guild, not charging each other for gear and giving mats to one another so we never run out. We also have great grinding groups so ranking and leveling is not an issue, I suppose this is why my opinion is so high of the game still, and to be honest I believe this was SE's intent. But again I can see why people would see the Gamespot review to be 'spot on' if you will, but I think that is because a lot of players have spent just about the same amount of time in game as the reviewer spent reviewing the game. You can't get any sound idea of anything by spending such a limited time on it, especially MMOs. Again, my opinion of Gamespot is that it is unprofessional. I will stand strong on that statement too, I never look at that website just because it follows public trends instead of coming to it's own unbiased conclusion.
Every mmo gets a review within the same time frame as FFIV did. Its not special or unique. Its the industry standard when it comes to review sites and magazines. If people are plopping down money on a game then its ready for review. Period. Besides, I'm usually able to tell if I'm going to enjoy a game within the first hour or so. If it doesn't hook you or at least interest you by then, then it most likely never will. Think of it this way. You go into a restuarant and order a meal. If the meatloaf tatstes like donkey ass then I'm sure as hell not going to keep eating and then try the salad. Call me crazy, but thats how I roll.
If you enjoy the game and intend to keep playing, good for you. I've got no problem with that. Different strokes and all that. What kind of pisses me off is the attitude some of the "fans" take. They seem to think that they're somehow more intelligent than the rest of us and that we "just don't get it". The "fans" can stick that arrogant crap up their asses. And its pretty telling and LOL worthy when one of the games biggest defenders and "fans" on this site makes the epic Picard face palm statement that a negative review from a major gaming site wasn't true because it was hacked by meanies who hate the game and kick puppies in their spare time. Of course when I saw who it was, I wasn't all that surprised.
Really, its all a moot point now. Bad game is bad. I think SE would be better served working on making the PS3 version, though, I doubt many console gamers will enjoy getting owned by a ladybug, either. Maybe they're going down the Cryptic road with their business "strategy":
1. Sell boxes
2. Retention? ROFL, yeah right
3. .....
4. Profit
This is MMORPG.com standard for reviews and I think it is the best way to go about it.
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8.0 to 8.9: Above average.
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Every mmo gets a review within the same time frame as FFIV did. Its not special or unique. Its the industry standard when it comes to review sites and magazines. If people are plopping down money on a game then its ready for review. Period. Besides, I'm usually able to tell if I'm going to enjoy a game within the first hour or so. If it doesn't hook you or at least interest you by then, then it most likely never will. Think of it this way. You go into a restuarant and order a meal. If the meatloaf tatstes like donkey ass then I'm sure as hell not going to keep eating and then try the salad. Call me crazy, but thats how I roll.
If you enjoy the game and intend to keep playing, good for you. I've got no problem with that. Different strokes and all that. What kind of pisses me off is the attitude some of the "fans" take. They seem to think that they're somehow more intelligent than the rest of us and that we "just don't get it". The "fans" can stick that arrogant crap up their asses. And its pretty telling and LOL worthy when one of the games biggest defenders and "fans" on this site makes the epic Picard face palm statement that a negative review from a major gaming site wasn't true because it was hacked by meanies who hate the game and kick puppies in their spare time. Of course when I saw who it was, I wasn't all that surprised.
Really, its all a moot point now. Bad game is bad. I think SE would be better served working on making the PS3 version, though, I doubt many console gamers will enjoy getting owned by a ladybug, either. Maybe they're going down the Cryptic road with their business "strategy":
1. Sell boxes
2. Retention? ROFL, yeah right
3. .....
4. Profit
This is MMORPG.com standard for reviews and I think it is the best way to go about it.
How do you score the games in your reviews?
Our scale goes from 1-10, with 10 being the best possible score. We consider the scale to be academic, which is to say 7 is an average score (or a C). Anything five or below is considered a failure. The overall score is a simple average of the eight scores our reviewer gives in whole numbers. Here is a rough legend of what our scores mean:
9.0 to 10.0: You could buy the product on this aspect alone.
8.0 to 8.9: Above average.
7.0 to 7.9: Average.
6.0 to 6.9: Below-average, but not a game breaker.
5.0 to 5.9: Poorly done, but not unusable.
1.0 to 4.9: Absolutely terrible, maybe even unplayable.
Typically, our reviews come out a bit later than most sites. This is because our reviewers spend a minimum of three weeks with the product (post-launch) to properly review all aspects of the product.
Additionally, we attempt to re-review most products on a yearly basis, as well as each expansion they release. The most recent full review is used by our system for the overall score listed on the website.
Below are the main questions our reviewers ask when they score the game.
Community: How helpful and nice were the players who populate the world? Did they have to leave the game itself and seek help online or could they meet all of their needs in the gameworld itself?
CustomerService: This is usually scored with a combination of first hand experience and research within the community to offset any preferential treatment a reviewer may receive.
Fun: The simplest category of all asks only whether the reviewer enjoyed themselves or if they felt that the game was unsuited to their specific play style, could they see others enjoying themselves?
Graphics: Compared to other games, how do the visuals stack up? This is not a purely technical score, but also considers overall art direction, consistency, themes and animations.
Performance / Lag: This score considers both frame rate on an average PC and latency issues on a typical internet connection. In addition to the game itself, this score also takes into account the availability and speed of the patcher.
Role Playing: Another combination category. This category considers not only whether the community is conducive to in-character actions, but also if the game mechanics and features support it (emotes, character customization, etc.).
Sound: When evaluating a game’s sound, the reviewer takes into account the quality and timing of individual sounds, as well as the game's music.
Value: Relative to how much the game costs (off the shelf and per month), how good is it? For example, a boring, yet solid AAA title that costs $50 off the shelf and $15 a month would score much lower than an equally boring indy title that is free to download and costs only $9 per month.
In the end, our reviews are written by real people and due to staff turnover and the passage of time, some of our older reviews may even have been written under different guidelines. We try our best to maintain a consistent line, but there is always room for human error. If you disagree with a score, we encourage you to let us know on our forums or by email ateditor@mmorpg.com. And as always, you can also cast your own votes for each game on their rating meter in each individual profile.
This site isn't exactly the best place to get reviews from. They've rated only one game (Dark and Light) under a 5 since Feb. 2004. Like I said, the industry standard is to review a game shortly after release. If the game company is charging people money for their product, then its ready for review. Why is it acceptable for only mmo's to have a shitty early experience? Have our standards for the genre gotten that low?
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
Every mmo gets a review within the same time frame as FFIV did. Its not special or unique. Its the industry standard when it comes to review sites and magazines. If people are plopping down money on a game then its ready for review. Period. Besides, I'm usually able to tell if I'm going to enjoy a game within the first hour or so. If it doesn't hook you or at least interest you by then, then it most likely never will. Think of it this way. You go into a restuarant and order a meal. If the meatloaf tatstes like donkey ass then I'm sure as hell not going to keep eating and then try the salad. Call me crazy, but thats how I roll.
If you enjoy the game and intend to keep playing, good for you. I've got no problem with that. Different strokes and all that. What kind of pisses me off is the attitude some of the "fans" take. They seem to think that they're somehow more intelligent than the rest of us and that we "just don't get it". The "fans" can stick that arrogant crap up their asses. And its pretty telling and LOL worthy when one of the games biggest defenders and "fans" on this site makes the epic Picard face palm statement that a negative review from a major gaming site wasn't true because it was hacked by meanies who hate the game and kick puppies in their spare time. Of course when I saw who it was, I wasn't all that surprised.
Really, its all a moot point now. Bad game is bad. I think SE would be better served working on making the PS3 version, though, I doubt many console gamers will enjoy getting owned by a ladybug, either. Maybe they're going down the Cryptic road with their business "strategy":
1. Sell boxes
2. Retention? ROFL, yeah right
3. .....
4. Profit
This is MMORPG.com standard for reviews and I think it is the best way to go about it.
How do you score the games in your reviews?
Our scale goes from 1-10, with 10 being the best possible score. We consider the scale to be academic, which is to say 7 is an average score (or a C). Anything five or below is considered a failure. The overall score is a simple average of the eight scores our reviewer gives in whole numbers. Here is a rough legend of what our scores mean:
9.0 to 10.0: You could buy the product on this aspect alone.
8.0 to 8.9: Above average.
7.0 to 7.9: Average.
6.0 to 6.9: Below-average, but not a game breaker.
5.0 to 5.9: Poorly done, but not unusable.
1.0 to 4.9: Absolutely terrible, maybe even unplayable.
Typically, our reviews come out a bit later than most sites. This is because our reviewers spend a minimum of three weeks with the product (post-launch) to properly review all aspects of the product.
Additionally, we attempt to re-review most products on a yearly basis, as well as each expansion they release. The most recent full review is used by our system for the overall score listed on the website.
Below are the main questions our reviewers ask when they score the game.
Community: How helpful and nice were the players who populate the world? Did they have to leave the game itself and seek help online or could they meet all of their needs in the gameworld itself?
CustomerService: This is usually scored with a combination of first hand experience and research within the community to offset any preferential treatment a reviewer may receive.
Fun: The simplest category of all asks only whether the reviewer enjoyed themselves or if they felt that the game was unsuited to their specific play style, could they see others enjoying themselves?
Graphics: Compared to other games, how do the visuals stack up? This is not a purely technical score, but also considers overall art direction, consistency, themes and animations.
Performance / Lag: This score considers both frame rate on an average PC and latency issues on a typical internet connection. In addition to the game itself, this score also takes into account the availability and speed of the patcher.
Role Playing: Another combination category. This category considers not only whether the community is conducive to in-character actions, but also if the game mechanics and features support it (emotes, character customization, etc.).
Sound: When evaluating a game’s sound, the reviewer takes into account the quality and timing of individual sounds, as well as the game's music.
Value: Relative to how much the game costs (off the shelf and per month), how good is it? For example, a boring, yet solid AAA title that costs $50 off the shelf and $15 a month would score much lower than an equally boring indy title that is free to download and costs only $9 per month.
In the end, our reviews are written by real people and due to staff turnover and the passage of time, some of our older reviews may even have been written under different guidelines. We try our best to maintain a consistent line, but there is always room for human error. If you disagree with a score, we encourage you to let us know on our forums or by email ateditor@mmorpg.com. And as always, you can also cast your own votes for each game on their rating meter in each individual profile.
This site isn't exactly the best place to get reviews from. They've rated only one game (Dark and Light) under a 5 since Feb. 2004. Like I said, the industry standard is to review a game shortly after release. If the game company is charging people money for their product, then its ready for review. Why is it acceptable for only mmo's to have a shitty early experience? Have our standards for the genre gotten that low?
Actually the industry standard is to wait a couple of weeks on MMORPG since they take a greater timesink to get an overall understanding to the game. In fact Gamespot has repromended its reviewers for reviewing MMORPGs to early and not actually spending enough time playing it.
"Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game."-Guybrush Threepwood "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."-Hunter S. Thompson
Well deserved. I can't believe people actually dare to defend this game with such a disdain for what people deserve in today's mmo market. This is the type of game that derails the mmo genre as a whole. What an embarassment.
If the overall user/player scores/reviews on Gamespot, and most opinions here on mmorpg, weren't almost completely in agreement with the gamespot review and score then it might be plausible that Gamespot reviewed it too soon.
Sadly that does not seem to be the case.
In view of the weight of negative opinions, many from people claiming to be FF or XI fans, beta testers and CE owners, it is most likely that the game is receiving negative reviews and a great deal of criticism:
not because of a review that's too early in the game's life cycle.
not because players haven't given the game a chance.
not because players are stupid.
not because the players need instant gratification.
not because players are lazy.
not because players are WoW fans. (or fans of it's clones)
not because people are FF haters.
... but because it actually may be a poor game as judged by a great many people who claim they really wanted it to be a great game and apparently were very disappointed., some after playing through beta and buying the CE.
I also find it a bit disappointing that SE does not seem to be a developer who will change or learns lessons from past history. It is quite possible that the game won't improve but time will tell.
Perhaps XIV's defenders are just "grabbing at straws". Judging by the comments I've read here and elsewhere that is a very likely scenario.
If you cut it too short you can always nail a piece on the end.
If you cut it too long then what the hell are you gonna do?
Could barely wait to put hands on ... just to unsub after half hour. Maybe (maybe) will return once or twice more. Essentialy will use 1 day out of 30 free. Never happened before. Anything about game is bad. And at the same time I loved many of their games for ps2. This is pure example how not to for mmo. Overall this game is even worse then Craft of the gods. This time could not agree more with article on http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/finalfantasy14/review.html. Disappointed, terribly diappointed. They should stay in single user environment.
So this is the first negative review of FFXIV since going live one week ago right? The rest have been pretty much posative?
One done by Cheat CC was negative in the review yet gave the game a high score. IGN's review is an ongoing review, but the writer is struggling to enjoy the game. And the Kotaku review is pretty much on par with IGN.
So its basically 1 negative review, 2 'meh' reviews (not really finished as of yet) and 1 very contradicting review.
For one week out from launch I'ld say thats not too far from what should be expected of any game. This one does have an aquired taste most do not, so a little more negative may be seen over the norm. But still what we see so far doesn't appear to be that different from most every other launch one week in.
I read this and immediately thought of a trip to a resturaunt (oh noes! He's bringing the resturaunt comment into play! Everyone prepare for fail!). I took my dad out to eat at this really, really fancy resturaunt for his birthday. Fancy as in, they have a wine and champagne list. The waiter was excruciatingly nice. It was a quaint place and I was surrounded by business men/women in suits and dresses, entertaining big parties. Me and my dad felt totally out of place.
I'm from Eastern KY so I am not accustumed to such things. It was fun.. and expensive.
Where am I going with this? I guess what I'm saying is I have a similar experience with FFXIV. I feel disjointed from the world. I'm not saying that FFXIV players are rich business men/women in lunch meetings, but I'm saying they are a breed of players that are very different than what I'm used to. Of course, this has rhetoric written all over it. "Tails, get on with it! You are rambling again!" Yes, Even Sonic thinks so.
So, what I guess I'm saying is, I don't believe I belong in FFXIV. But I like to think that isn't a bad thing. So long as people have fun and feel their money/time is well-spent, I can argue for or against it. As far as campaigns go, I've dropped mine. FFXIV will go about its life, meandering about collecting whatever followers it can. I'll continue on my journey of MMORPG-enlightenment. Who knows, maybe I'll find something to tide me over until DEC. 7th.
~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!
Good to see someone feel this way. I am opposite. I like the game and know the ones that dont will go meandering about to whatever game they feel they enjoy. The problem is most cant see either idea. They try to force you to see their way and get pissed when you dont agree. If they could they might be alot happier.
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Considering a majorit of gamers agree with them, if they actually recommended it I would consider them bought and paid for.
He's saying they paid for the glowing parts and the actual rating, because a high score just doesn't mesh with that last comment and makes it seem fishy.
You are right. I misread. Thought it was referring to GS.
I see alot of similarities between this game and WAR, and FFIV's future. Overhyped mmo with a popular IP. Lots of box sales. Overwhelming negative opinions. Launching close to the release of a WoW expansion.
All of that leads me to believe that FFIV might end up being a flop like WAR was/is. Oh, and I love some of the arrogant posturing by some of the "fans" here defending the game by saying the rest of us just aren't intelligent or patient enough. To all those people: Get bent, you're not nearly as smart as you think you are.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
Just saying, passive align is useless whereas soft align actually does something. Aside from that, Square's performance has been declining; there's really no denying it. Nier was an almighty flop, Front Mission Evolved is mediocre and FFXIII was horribly paced. Great game, pathetic ten-hour tutorial. Fantasy Earth Zero is something of an abused stepchild for Square; they cancelled it swiftly and brushed it under the rug... but it's still a Square game; it still made it past release. I understand that, as a massive publisher, you can't release a triple-A title every other month. But from what I've seen there's a massive rift between Square's reputation and their current performance that nobody really seems to notice.
"Smacking kids doesn't hurt them, kinetic energy does!"- Doctor Tobia
Ginaz, I agree and disagree with you in part.
People saying you need a certain level of patience or intelligence to play the game are flat out wrong. They're wrong because it's a matter of taste, you can't force someone to like a particular style of game... so I'll just leave it at that.
Here's where I disagree with you. SE and Mythic are not the same company.
Unfortunately for SE, it's history repeating itself. FFXI released in Japan in FAR WORSE shape than did FFXIV world wide. SE has a loyal fan base that paid the subs to the point where FFXI became one of the most successful mmo's in history. It's still going strong today. It averaged around 500k subscribers, and peaked at around 750k.
Mythic does not have that track record of slowing developing and redefining a game. SE under estimated how the game would be recieved, but it doesnt' change the fact that their history SHOWS they can fix things and make them fantastic.
For people like me, that's why I believe my outlook on the future of FFXIV is not false hope. A lot of people have already jumped ship. They did also for FFXI. Many people will stay and grow with the game.
FFXIV will never reach mainstream appeal because of the way its designed, but it won't flop either. It will be in 1-2 years where FFXI Was in 1-2 years. I enjoy the game in its current form while also realizing changes are coming.
I agree with the review 100%
Yeah I think it is unprofessional to review a game in such a short stint. I also don't think this game will be a flop like some have stated, it has flaws but gosh have I had a good time in this game. So many dreary tales from so many unsatisfied players, but honestly I can't relate. I'm pretty sure it's because my LS is so great, we do everything together and getting gear is not a problem cause we work together as a guild, not charging each other for gear and giving mats to one another so we never run out. We also have great grinding groups so ranking and leveling is not an issue, I suppose this is why my opinion is so high of the game still, and to be honest I believe this was SE's intent. But again I can see why people would see the Gamespot review to be 'spot on' if you will, but I think that is because a lot of players have spent just about the same amount of time in game as the reviewer spent reviewing the game. You can't get any sound idea of anything by spending such a limited time on it, especially MMOs. Again, my opinion of Gamespot is that it is unprofessional. I will stand strong on that statement too, I never look at that website just because it follows public trends instead of coming to it's own unbiased conclusion.
This is what Gamespot said under bad comments listed at the beginning of the review. I put the most telling comments in yellow.
Gamespot:
Absolutely miserable interface
Does a poor job of communicating important information
Limited questing means you're always looking for something fun to do
Everything about the economy stinks
Every aspect of the game is filled with dumb obstacles.
That about sums it up. What a profound disappointment at a time when this genre needs a home run. Even a mediocre, average game would be well recieved, and yet SE can not even rise to the challenge and offer that. I think it doesn't even rise to the calibre of what should be expected of a 'failure'.
Having been an XI player for a while and loving it's pace, art direction, social and play mechanics I must admit I was anticipating XIV just like many of the other XI vets. I put up with Playonline's “click 8 times to play” as a condition of getting to XI which is still my favorite game.
I've read lots of negative comments from people who say they are fans of FF, some vets of XI, many of whom pre-ordered the XIV CE. The main sentiment I've read has been one of disappointment.
Gamespot gives it an extremely low score and lots of people on this thread and on mmorpg forums seem to agree. Like I've said many of those who are complaining say they are fans of SE, some vets of XI and other FF titles, not impatient noobs.
The complaints keep coming but FFXIV defenders still cling to the tired line(s) that people are impatient, seeking instant gratification, haters, trolls, lazy, “WoW brainwashed” etc. (“WoW brainwashed” rofl!)
I'm not inclined to believe that the complaints, bad review(s) and disappointment expressed so far are a product of misunderstanding, misinformation, impatience or bias with respect to SE, XIV or FF in general.
I think it's more likely that the overall negative reception XIV has received is at least somewhat justified based on forum comments, the sheer volume of negative opinions and to some degree the ferocity of the defense by the games apologists. (Hamlet?)
Perhaps the Gamespot score isn't “spot on”. Maybe the user review score(s) and comments on Gamespot are less than accurate. Maybe the negative sentiments expressed so far on mmorpg.com are “inaccurate”.
What score do you give it? (arghh the post didn't get all my poll options)
If you cut it too short you can always nail a piece on the end.
If you cut it too long then what the hell are you gonna do?
Poll was supposed to have all 10 choices.
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If you cut it too short you can always nail a piece on the end.
If you cut it too long then what the hell are you gonna do?
But hey lets hope for SWTOR, they have Cutscenes and other stuff! i mean like....stuff, and such.
I hate to break it to you, but FFXIV was designed for mainstream appeal. They just failed miserably by not listening.
sad thing for me is alot of what they mentioned were problems are thing i had problems with in FF11, so it appears that they really didn't learn anything from their first game. I know people are going to be like well don't play it ect. and trust me I won't, but at the same time I remember all this talk about how they were expecting to get more people out of this game, and not just getting people who enjoyed FF11, how it was going to be more casual, ect. Doesn't look like it to me.
the interface is something that can be gotten use to, but at some point you have to ask if you are making changes to be better or just for the sake of making changes.
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i remember playing ff3 on snes im that old. back then it was amazing. tactics, ff7, alot of them were great. I went on a trip and got myself a ps3 so that whil ei traveled on business i could play.
I bought some of teh newer final fantasies and they strayed so far from what made them great. That's just my opinion. In beta on ff14 i knew i wouldnt pre-order. I waited to see if things were changed. Im sorry to the people that enjoy it, i enjoyed apb. I can't really enjoy this game and from beta to release nothing has changed.
don't take offense if you enjoy but its a bad game, with bad mechanics, and 100's of mmo's have released much more polished turds that are successful.
Im really dissapointed in square for releasing this game, just like i was with mythic, and EA etc.
would be nice to have a change of pace in the mmo world with a good game at release. cataclysm is not getting very high scores from its testers atm either. so dont go getting excited about the same wow xpac treatment ie: level cap increase, new profession that you level easily, more emblem grinding, and more fotm comps for pvp.
I really think the mmo industry as consumers is looking for something new but gaming companies just arent delivering.
/shrug
Their reviews seem pretty spot on to me most of the time. I'm not going to say I always agree with their reviews. There are certainly times my opinion of a game has differed from theirs, but frankly I think you're reaching with your comments simply because they gave a bad review to a game you like.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Every mmo gets a review within the same time frame as FFIV did. Its not special or unique. Its the industry standard when it comes to review sites and magazines. If people are plopping down money on a game then its ready for review. Period. Besides, I'm usually able to tell if I'm going to enjoy a game within the first hour or so. If it doesn't hook you or at least interest you by then, then it most likely never will. Think of it this way. You go into a restuarant and order a meal. If the meatloaf tatstes like donkey ass then I'm sure as hell not going to keep eating and then try the salad. Call me crazy, but thats how I roll.
If you enjoy the game and intend to keep playing, good for you. I've got no problem with that. Different strokes and all that. What kind of pisses me off is the attitude some of the "fans" take. They seem to think that they're somehow more intelligent than the rest of us and that we "just don't get it". The "fans" can stick that arrogant crap up their asses. And its pretty telling and LOL worthy when one of the games biggest defenders and "fans" on this site makes the epic Picard face palm statement that a negative review from a major gaming site wasn't true because it was hacked by meanies who hate the game and kick puppies in their spare time. Of course when I saw who it was, I wasn't all that surprised.
Really, its all a moot point now. Bad game is bad. I think SE would be better served working on making the PS3 version, though, I doubt many console gamers will enjoy getting owned by a ladybug, either. Maybe they're going down the Cryptic road with their business "strategy":
1. Sell boxes
2. Retention? ROFL, yeah right
3. .....
4. Profit
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
This is MMORPG.com standard for reviews and I think it is the best way to go about it.
How do you score the games in your reviews?
Our scale goes from 1-10, with 10 being the best possible score. We consider the scale to be academic, which is to say 7 is an average score (or a C). Anything five or below is considered a failure. The overall score is a simple average of the eight scores our reviewer gives in whole numbers. Here is a rough legend of what our scores mean:
9.0 to 10.0: You could buy the product on this aspect alone.
8.0 to 8.9: Above average.
7.0 to 7.9: Average.
6.0 to 6.9: Below-average, but not a game breaker.
5.0 to 5.9: Poorly done, but not unusable.
1.0 to 4.9: Absolutely terrible, maybe even unplayable.
Typically, our reviews come out a bit later than most sites. This is because our reviewers spend a minimum of three weeks with the product (post-launch) to properly review all aspects of the product.
Additionally, we attempt to re-review most products on a yearly basis, as well as each expansion they release. The most recent full review is used by our system for the overall score listed on the website.
Below are the main questions our reviewers ask when they score the game.
Community: How helpful and nice were the players who populate the world? Did they have to leave the game itself and seek help online or could they meet all of their needs in the gameworld itself?
Customer Service: This is usually scored with a combination of first hand experience and research within the community to offset any preferential treatment a reviewer may receive.
Fun: The simplest category of all asks only whether the reviewer enjoyed themselves or if they felt that the game was unsuited to their specific play style, could they see others enjoying themselves?
Graphics: Compared to other games, how do the visuals stack up? This is not a purely technical score, but also considers overall art direction, consistency, themes and animations.
Performance / Lag: This score considers both frame rate on an average PC and latency issues on a typical internet connection. In addition to the game itself, this score also takes into account the availability and speed of the patcher.
Role Playing: Another combination category. This category considers not only whether the community is conducive to in-character actions, but also if the game mechanics and features support it (emotes, character customization, etc.).
Sound: When evaluating a game’s sound, the reviewer takes into account the quality and timing of individual sounds, as well as the game's music.
Value: Relative to how much the game costs (off the shelf and per month), how good is it? For example, a boring, yet solid AAA title that costs $50 off the shelf and $15 a month would score much lower than an equally boring indy title that is free to download and costs only $9 per month.
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"Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game."-Guybrush Threepwood
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This site isn't exactly the best place to get reviews from. They've rated only one game (Dark and Light) under a 5 since Feb. 2004. Like I said, the industry standard is to review a game shortly after release. If the game company is charging people money for their product, then its ready for review. Why is it acceptable for only mmo's to have a shitty early experience? Have our standards for the genre gotten that low?
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
@ Ginaz
Agree! Your views are "spot on"!
...and... "I doubt many console gamers will enjoy getting owned by a ladybug, either."
LMAO!
If you cut it too short you can always nail a piece on the end.
If you cut it too long then what the hell are you gonna do?
Actually the industry standard is to wait a couple of weeks on MMORPG since they take a greater timesink to get an overall understanding to the game. In fact Gamespot has repromended its reviewers for reviewing MMORPGs to early and not actually spending enough time playing it.
"Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game."-Guybrush Threepwood
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."-Hunter S. Thompson
Well deserved. I can't believe people actually dare to defend this game with such a disdain for what people deserve in today's mmo market. This is the type of game that derails the mmo genre as a whole. What an embarassment.
If the overall user/player scores/reviews on Gamespot, and most opinions here on mmorpg, weren't almost completely in agreement with the gamespot review and score then it might be plausible that Gamespot reviewed it too soon.
Sadly that does not seem to be the case.
In view of the weight of negative opinions, many from people claiming to be FF or XI fans, beta testers and CE owners, it is most likely that the game is receiving negative reviews and a great deal of criticism:
not because of a review that's too early in the game's life cycle.
not because players haven't given the game a chance.
not because players are stupid.
not because the players need instant gratification.
not because players are lazy.
not because players are WoW fans. (or fans of it's clones)
not because people are FF haters.
... but because it actually may be a poor game as judged by a great many people who claim they really wanted it to be a great game and apparently were very disappointed., some after playing through beta and buying the CE.
I also find it a bit disappointing that SE does not seem to be a developer who will change or learns lessons from past history. It is quite possible that the game won't improve but time will tell.
Perhaps XIV's defenders are just "grabbing at straws". Judging by the comments I've read here and elsewhere that is a very likely scenario.
If you cut it too short you can always nail a piece on the end.
If you cut it too long then what the hell are you gonna do?
Could barely wait to put hands on ... just to unsub after half hour. Maybe (maybe) will return once or twice more. Essentialy will use 1 day out of 30 free. Never happened before. Anything about game is bad. And at the same time I loved many of their games for ps2. This is pure example how not to for mmo. Overall this game is even worse then Craft of the gods. This time could not agree more with article on http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/finalfantasy14/review.html. Disappointed, terribly diappointed. They should stay in single user environment.
Good to see someone feel this way. I am opposite. I like the game and know the ones that dont will go meandering about to whatever game they feel they enjoy. The problem is most cant see either idea. They try to force you to see their way and get pissed when you dont agree. If they could they might be alot happier.