Anyway, my point was that for all their lack of usability in order to encourage only the most patient of us play it, they forgot to make an exciting game underneath the tangled mess. Between daily quests, grinding, gathering and crafting this game is boring at the core of it's design.
I think it's fun. Where does that leave us?
Hopefully, it leaves us in a place where we don't say that this game was meant to weed out lazy people and spazzes. That is what you said before. What you are saying now is that it weeds out those without patience. I know you're offering a kind of branch here, but there are just some things that are not ok and some things that are. Opinions are ok. You think it's fun and I think it's boring. The Gamespot reviewer thinks it deserves a 4/10.
When you say that the games interface requires patience and that other games that have easy interfaces are boring, I responded by saying that even once you get over the interface, the game at it's core is still boring.
You then said that I was zealous in my attempt to salt wounds. Perhaps I just see that this game is rather boring overall.
Edit: And besides, without people like us and others on this site, the site would be boring.
I will have to agree with Cold here, you have on multiple occasions attacked posters who didn't agree with your opinion on the game with nothing more than to force your opinion as gospel and paint everyone else as heretics. And most often than not it was an unprovoked attack, sort of like a preemptive strike against naysayers.
Find me an example. I think your memory is highly selective in this regard.
I will have to agree with Cold here, you have on multiple occasions attacked posters who didn't agree with your opinion on the game with nothing more than to force your opinion as gospel and paint everyone else as heretics. And most often than not it was an unprovoked attack, sort of like a preemptive strike against naysayers.
Find me an example.
Moderators deleted them. Because they were offensive.
I will have to agree with Cold here, you have on multiple occasions attacked posters who didn't agree with your opinion on the game with nothing more than to force your opinion as gospel and paint everyone else as heretics. And most often than not it was an unprovoked attack, sort of like a preemptive strike against naysayers.
Find me an example.
Moderators deleted them. Because they were offensive.
True but, lest we forget, a lot of yours were deleted along with them for the same reason. We've a great many people who feel antagonistic towards the game, and you're not doing yourself enough credit not to count yourself among one of the more zealous.
It's a bit of a chicken or the egg scenario exactly who started it. From my experiences on forums, I'll say it likely begun with a misunderstanding.
Personally, I don't see there as being any advantage in attacking anyone, but I can be pushed to acts of desperosity if I encounter an exceptionaly stubborn individual.
However, Final Fantasy XIV is a rather interesting case because it has a unique history: Final Fantasy XI also attracted a large number of detractors who really hated its console-friendly interface. In the end, the playerbase of the game came up with a simple justification, "the GUI difference is a barrier of entry to assure only the appropriate players will be able to surmount it in order to play the game." It undoubtedly burns the ears of the detractors of the game to hear the main reasons they dislike the game are looked at in the light of a failing grade on a test.
So I might have started it by saying such a thing, but it wasn't being said as a baseless insult, but rather remembering this time-honored rule of thumb for Final Fantasy XI players. This may be where the misunderstanding came from. It's a virtual culture shock thing. Straight up.
I will have to agree with Cold here, you have on multiple occasions attacked posters who didn't agree with your opinion on the game with nothing more than to force your opinion as gospel and paint everyone else as heretics. And most often than not it was an unprovoked attack, sort of like a preemptive strike against naysayers.
Find me an example.
Moderators deleted them. Because they were offensive.
Thats a good one. I have to remember that for an excuse next I need it. Now you both have no proof....you none against him and he cant prove they werent deleted. I like it.
In all fairness, Yahtzee hates MMORPGs, and he hates JRPGs. Having him review FFXIV and having something negative to say about it would be as inevitable as the tides, even if it turned out to be a lot better than it did.
I'm rather disappointed myself, really. I was enjoying the game and feeling reasonably content for having spent $75 on it. Along comes the GameSpot reviewer to tell me that I'm wrong to have gotten over all the stuff I got over.
So, I guess if it was the reviewer's intent to be the savior of those who hate the game by pointing out the same things I've heard them pointing out over the past month, he's out of luck, they still hate the game, they're still miserable. All that really changed is he cast negative stigma on those who might enjoy the game. But hey, I hear misery loves company.
Yeah, but who watches Yahtzee for actual reviews? Don't get me wrong, I don't miss an episode of ZP, but I don't take anything he says seriously. He actually used to enjoy JRPGs before they because interactive anime. He like Final Fantasy 3 because ti didin't contain all the "stuff" that modern JRPGs have now.
There's a difference between a hater who bashes the game with no purpose and players actually playing the game complaining. I'll be honest, I'm playing, and the only reason I haven't quit is because of my LS. I told them I'd give it to the end of the month to see if SE makes any changes in a positive direction. I just think it's a shame that SE has let the game release in the state it's in. There's a good game in there, but it's muddled by the overburdened design.
I believe the Review is pretty accurate. The graphics are totally awesome but...that's it.
And what pisses me off are those f'ing "monsters"....I loved FFVII, FFVIII, FFIX, FF Tactics and some others...and c'mon like the first boss u fight on FFVIII is Ifrit which is a baddass GF and all those great monsters and bosses u fight in all of the games....and it's frustrating when u go out and have to kill....Wharf Rats.. FFS. That's not cool.
I hope SE do better later on...but for now...I'm out.
Anyway, my point was that for all their lack of usability in order to encourage only the most patient of us play it, they forgot to make an exciting game underneath the tangled mess. Between daily quests, grinding, gathering and crafting this game is boring at the core of it's design.
I think it's fun. Where does that leave us?
Hopefully, it leaves us in a place where we don't say that this game was meant to weed out lazy people and spazzes. That is what you said before. What you are saying now is that it weeds out those without patience. I know you're offering a kind of branch here, but there are just some things that are not ok and some things that are. Opinions are ok. You think it's fun and I think it's boring. The Gamespot reviewer thinks it deserves a 4/10.
When you say that the games interface requires patience and that other games that have easy interfaces are boring, I responded by saying that even once you get over the interface, the game at it's core is still boring.
You then said that I was zealous in my attempt to salt wounds. Perhaps I just see that this game is rather boring overall.
Edit: And besides, without people like us and others on this site, the site would be boring.
I will have to agree with Cold here, you have on multiple occasions attacked posters who didn't agree with your opinion on the game with nothing more than to force your opinion as gospel and paint everyone else as heretics. And most often than not it was an unprovoked attack, sort of like a preemptive strike against naysayers.
As for the review, reading a lot of user comments via the lodestone, metacritic, ffxivcore and various other sites, there are a lot of people (specially FFXI players) who feel the same way as the reviewer. Do we want the game to fail? No. Do we want developers to own up to their mistakes and actually have a game release in a better state than this? Yes. And for a lot (and I mean a lot) of people out there, this game was disappointing in many ways. It's not a matter of Hardcore vs. Casual or even Old School vs New School.
And it's great that you like the game and are enjoying the hell out of it. We are happy for you. Just don't dismiss others opinions as BS just because they don't see the game in the same light.
From now on I hope that every single complaint lodged in this forum is started with:
"I already sent this suggestion/bug/rant to SE.... but here it is for you guys to read because it's important for you to know the current state of things"
I'm actually kind of surprised they gave it such a high rating. The game doesn't deserve anything higher than a 3/10 right now, and that's only because the one good thing about it is the story, and you can only take part in the story after every five "ranks" of grinding. Everything else is just messy and broken.
1. Melee accuracy is obviously broken. I'm a rank 18 Marauder with rank 15-18 gear, and I've been pouring all of my physical level points in to STR and DEX evenly, and I still end up missing 10-15 times in a row on blue/green dot mobs. This also brings me to my next point, that the physical level point system is broken as well. The only two stats that work are VIT and the one that raises MP. Leveling any other stats right now would be a waste of points, since none of them seem to be working properly. I haven't seen any difference with damage done when raising STR, and I absolutely have not seen any increase in accuracy when leveling DEX.
2. The "skill up" system to "rank up" in this game is terrible. It was terrible in XI and it's terrible now, too. A random/luck-based level up system? Really? Could Square make grinding anymore painful than it already is? Killing a mob and getting 400-500 skill up points, and then killing the same type of mob again only to get 0 is ridiculous. They need to add some sort of median to the skill up system to make it less annoying. I mean, I've only leveled up one class besides Marauder so far (rank 10 Armorer), and my physical level is still higher than my class rank. They need to make it so that there is at least a "set" amount of skill up points that you can get for each mob, so that you never have to worry about getting a low amount of skill ups, or even none at all (assuming you aren't killing a mob that is completely beneath your rank of course).
3. The random/luck-based crafting system in this game is beyond broken, and is just poorly constructed as well. You know what's fun? Picking up a rank 5 Armorer guildleve as a rank 10 Armorer, and completely failing the guildleve without one success. I can't even imagine picking up any Armorer guildleves that actually correspond to my Armorer rank.
4. There is also a severe lack of content in this game, even when considering that it just launched. There are only three things to do in this entire game, and that's grinding, crafting, and story missions, and you can only do the story missions after you grind for a long enough period of time. You end up spending days grinding for the next five rank ups, just so you can move on to the next story mission that only ends up lasting about an hour, at which point you go back to grinding all over again.
5. Armor repairing in this game, again, is ridiculous. Your armor/weapons break in a matter of minutes worth of grinding, not to mention that it's incredibly difficult to find the supplies required to fix your stuff yourself, and if you don't feel like finding the supplies to fix your gear, you'll end up having to pay an arm and a leg for an NPC to only partially repair your gear.
6. The market wards system is broken. I mean, I really can't think of anything else to say about it. It's just broken. I've been storing my money ever since they made that announcement that they're going to try and categorize the market wards a bit more, to make it easier to see what people are selling. Having to sort through hundreds of players in a highly condensed area for what you're looking for is just stupid. 90% of the people in the wards end up selling completely useless items that no one wants or needs, and the other 10% that actually has the items that you want end up selling it for a way overpriced amount.
7. General technical issues, take your pick really. Poorly optimized game, constant connection issues, bugs that prevent people from being able to gain skill up points in groups, bugs that cause enemies to run back to their spawn locations and recover all of their health, UI lag.
8. Lack of communication and support from Square. Not only has Square neglected to acknowledge these issues, the only thing that they've ended up fixing since the launch was a loophole that allowed players to gain a large amount of exp in a short amount of time. They haven't acknowledged the issues, they haven't announced when they were planning on fixing anything, no updates on anything other than server status and player profile images on the lodestone. All we can do is speculate on what they're going to fix, how they're going to fix it, and when they're going to fix it.
The funny part is that this doesn't even cover all of the problems that the game has. It seems as if the only thing Square focused on was the graphics, and the bare minimum amount of gameplay required to actually be able to call this a "game". So it is definitely deserving of all of the low scores that it is inevitably going to get (and has already got).
Played FFXI since the first day of its NA launch (and loved it immediately), and afterwards for six years. Been following this game since it was first unveiled as Project Rapture, and ended up pre-ordering the CE two months in advance (back when this site announced the CE/PC release date, I went down to Gamestop immediately and pre-ordered the CE). I'm not trying to be a hater, but I can't help but find myself frustrated when I think about how little effort Square put in to the actual "game" part of the "game", since I know the team that made FFXI could do a whole lot better than this. But for as incomplete and broken as the game is right now, I'm still going to end up subbing for another month, to see if they will end up fixing any of the many issues the game has. This game has the potential to be really good, but that's the only good thing about it right now, is its potential.
Anyway, my point was that for all their lack of usability in order to encourage only the most patient of us play it, they forgot to make an exciting game underneath the tangled mess. Between daily quests, grinding, gathering and crafting this game is boring at the core of it's design.
I think it's fun. Where does that leave us?
Hopefully, it leaves us in a place where we don't say that this game was meant to weed out lazy people and spazzes. That is what you said before. What you are saying now is that it weeds out those without patience. I know you're offering a kind of branch here, but there are just some things that are not ok and some things that are. Opinions are ok. You think it's fun and I think it's boring. The Gamespot reviewer thinks it deserves a 4/10.
When you say that the games interface requires patience and that other games that have easy interfaces are boring, I responded by saying that even once you get over the interface, the game at it's core is still boring.
You then said that I was zealous in my attempt to salt wounds. Perhaps I just see that this game is rather boring overall.
Edit: And besides, without people like us and others on this site, the site would be boring.
I will have to agree with Cold here, you have on multiple occasions attacked posters who didn't agree with your opinion on the game with nothing more than to force your opinion as gospel and paint everyone else as heretics. And most often than not it was an unprovoked attack, sort of like a preemptive strike against naysayers.
As for the review, reading a lot of user comments via the lodestone, metacritic, ffxivcore and various other sites, there are a lot of people (specially FFXI players) who feel the same way as the reviewer. Do we want the game to fail? No. Do we want developers to own up to their mistakes and actually have a game release in a better state than this? Yes. And for a lot (and I mean a lot) of people out there, this game was disappointing in many ways. It's not a matter of Hardcore vs. Casual or even Old School vs New School.
And it's great that you like the game and are enjoying the hell out of it. We are happy for you. Just don't dismiss others opinions as BS just because they don't see the game in the same light.
From now on I hope that every single complaint lodged in this forum is started with:
"I already sent this suggestion/bug/rant to SE.... but here it is for you guys to read because it's important for you to know the current state of things"
Eh, a lot of what people are complaining about right now has been complained about throughout beta and fell on deaf ears at SE. And that's the problem with this game. Even the Japanese testers complained about a lot of the issues plaguing the game and were ignored.
The dev team knew the game was in a bad shape design wise and still pushed it as is, which is evident by the fact that they sent letters to every major gaming site/mag asking them to not review the game or give impressions for at least 3-4 weeks after launch. They knew a lot of the players would be unhappy with the state of the game and wanted to prevent official reviews from pointing out the glaring issues to save box sales. They know that the launch state of an MMO can make or break the game.
There are 3 types of people in the world. 1.) Those who make things happen 2.) Those who watch things happen 3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
Its obvious that SE dedicated their resources to appeal to the FFXI crowd. Their goal was to either get them to pay for 2 accts or get them to covert to FFIV. Nothing new here if you like XI you play XIV or stick with XI plain and simple. If you was looking for anything more search somewhere else. They never had any intentions of appealing to anyone else. They are in no way trying to get players from any other game. If you play XI you play XIV.
This is a brave move and you have to commend them for sticking to their roots, which no other MMORPG company will do.
I think that review pretty accurately stated what so many here have been saying all along.
Setting up an account - too much effort.
Learnging how to use the UI - too much effort.
Learning how to fight - too much effort.
Finding things to do - too much effort.
Learning how to team - too much effort.
Communicating - too much effort.
Questing and content - not enough guidance.
Crafting and gathering - takes too much time.
Using the map - too much effort.
Buying and selling - too much effort and takes too much time.
So yeah, pretty accurate review of what people see about this game. It's too bad though it was seen this way, maybe if it didnt take so much effort or time, maybe if it was easier and faster... Good review though if you ask me.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
Anyway, my point was that for all their lack of usability in order to encourage only the most patient of us play it, they forgot to make an exciting game underneath the tangled mess. Between daily quests, grinding, gathering and crafting this game is boring at the core of it's design.
I think it's fun. Where does that leave us?
Hopefully, it leaves us in a place where we don't say that this game was meant to weed out lazy people and spazzes. That is what you said before. What you are saying now is that it weeds out those without patience. I know you're offering a kind of branch here, but there are just some things that are not ok and some things that are. Opinions are ok. You think it's fun and I think it's boring. The Gamespot reviewer thinks it deserves a 4/10.
When you say that the games interface requires patience and that other games that have easy interfaces are boring, I responded by saying that even once you get over the interface, the game at it's core is still boring.
You then said that I was zealous in my attempt to salt wounds. Perhaps I just see that this game is rather boring overall.
Edit: And besides, without people like us and others on this site, the site would be boring.
I will have to agree with Cold here, you have on multiple occasions attacked posters who didn't agree with your opinion on the game with nothing more than to force your opinion as gospel and paint everyone else as heretics. And most often than not it was an unprovoked attack, sort of like a preemptive strike against naysayers.
As for the review, reading a lot of user comments via the lodestone, metacritic, ffxivcore and various other sites, there are a lot of people (specially FFXI players) who feel the same way as the reviewer. Do we want the game to fail? No. Do we want developers to own up to their mistakes and actually have a game release in a better state than this? Yes. And for a lot (and I mean a lot) of people out there, this game was disappointing in many ways. It's not a matter of Hardcore vs. Casual or even Old School vs New School.
And it's great that you like the game and are enjoying the hell out of it. We are happy for you. Just don't dismiss others opinions as BS just because they don't see the game in the same light.
From now on I hope that every single complaint lodged in this forum is started with:
"I already sent this suggestion/bug/rant to SE.... but here it is for you guys to read because it's important for you to know the current state of things"
Eh, a lot of what people are complaining about right now has been complained about throughout beta and fell on deaf ears at SE. And that's the problem with this game. Even the Japanese testers complained about a lot of the issues plaguing the game and were ignored.
The dev team knew the game was in a bad shape design wise and still pushed it as is, which is evident by the fact that they sent letters to every major gaming site/mag asking them to not review the game or give impressions for at least 3-4 weeks after launch. They knew a lot of the players would be unhappy with the state of the game and wanted to prevent official reviews from pointing out the glaring issues to save box sales. They know that the launch state of an MMO can make or break the game.
This statement makes your "cause" seem disengenuous. Even if SE doesn't listen as you allege ( inductions and circumstantial evidence make great stories, but they should only be taken so far...) regardless of what SE does if you really believed in what you said "Do we want the game to fail? No" you'd send that suggestion/bug report/rant anyways because some chance of inciting change is better than none. Just because SE doesn't reply to suggestions or bug reports doesn't mean they are *not* working on it... (I'd be impressed if you could prove that they're not).
So a random guy who's review history totals a whopping 4 games is now the holy bringer of truth that will harken in the demise of FFXIV? Nice try but Gamespot's reviews of WoW and it's expansions were torn apart by posters on this very board (Blizzard bias, corporate backpocketing based on ads, blah, blah, blah). But now all of a sudden their a very creditable source? Get real ppl you cannot have it both ways.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Despite what some people think of Gamespot, they've given accurate reviews on most games I've played. As for arguing against the review, you can tell by the reviewer that he/she put in a lot of time into the game. If you read it, you'd realize that the person made it to level 20+, which is actually a respectable level, so he/she did spend a lot of time in the game.
I know the vast majority of people will read the number and the little pros/cons box that Gamespot offers and post here, so I guess I'm hoping for a miracle here in that they take the time to go back and re-read the review.
The review touched on everything that has already been said on the forums, and it is my honest opinion that this game deserves a review of no greater/less than a 5.
I have nothing but a strong desire to see FFXIV blossom into a great MMORPG. I know I've accumulated something of a "hater" reputation for FFXIV, but the truth is, it's a tough-love kind of thing. I'm deeply enthralled with FF and as such it pains me when I see something like this hit the markets. So yes, I suppose I am angry, and sure, I shouldn't be angry, but I suppose that's who I am.
It doesn't matter at this point. It all boils down to what you like and what you don't like.
Suffice it to say, I've given up any and all hope for this game. I've been eyballing it every time I go to the store. Like so many others, its easy to dismiss what people say on MMORPG.com, but as I said earlier, I do take Gamespot reviews seriously. And as far as that goes, you can't ignore the community's score of 5.5ish, which is what I think this game actually deserves.
I do believe 4.0 is too tough on the game, but I digress. Best to save that for another day.
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Eh, a lot of what people are complaining about right now has been complained about throughout beta and fell on deaf ears at SE. And that's the problem with this game. Even the Japanese testers complained about a lot of the issues plaguing the game and were ignored.
The dev team knew the game was in a bad shape design wise and still pushed it as is, which is evident by the fact that they sent letters to every major gaming site/mag asking them to not review the game or give impressions for at least 3-4 weeks after launch. They knew a lot of the players would be unhappy with the state of the game and wanted to prevent official reviews from pointing out the glaring issues to save box sales. They know that the launch state of an MMO can make or break the game.
This statement makes your "cause" seem disengenuous. Even if SE doesn't listen as you allege ( inductions and circumstantial evidence make great stories, but they should only be taken so far...) regardless of what SE does if you really believed in what you said "Do we want the game to fail? No" you'd send that suggestion/bug report/rant anyways because some chance of inciting change is better than none. Just because SE doesn't reply to suggestions or bug reports doesn't mean they are *not* working on it... (I'd be impressed if you could prove that they're not).
Trust me, in beta we reported issues as well as what we felt could be better (there were several of us playing and we actually wrote some pretty decent sized emails).
Thing is no one is saying they are not working on it, as we can all agree that the very well could be. The fact of the matter is that a lot of the issue people complained about that are present in the release are things that should have been dealt with in beta but weren't. As I said, SE knew what was wrong and didn't bother to correct it before launch. Instead they hoped that gaming reviewers would be kind and give them 3-4 weeks post launch before giving reviews or impressions about the game. They knew the current state of the game was going to be pointed out for potential customers to see and could very well damage sales.
There are 3 types of people in the world. 1.) Those who make things happen 2.) Those who watch things happen 3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
This is really going to hurt them. Usually when an MMO releases to bad reviews and word of mouth, they don't seem to grow much population wise. It's a stigma that sticks with the game.
This is really going to hurt them. Usually when an MMO releases to bad reviews and word of mouth, they don't seem to grow much population wise. It's a stigma that sticks with the game.
Its and MMO. I am normally gone within 6 months anway.
This is really going to hurt them. Usually when an MMO releases to bad reviews and word of mouth, they don't seem to grow much population wise. It's a stigma that sticks with the game.
I fully expect a "re-review" in the near future. There will be an overwhelming amount of backlash against the review which will result in an apology and a new review; which will be grossly inflated.
Now, where did I put my Tin-foil hat?
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So this is the first negative review of FFXIV since going live one week ago right? The rest have been pretty much posative?
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
So this is the first negative review of FFXIV since going live one week ago right? The rest have been pretty much posative?
One done by Cheat CC was negative in the review yet gave the game a high score. IGN's review is an ongoing review, but the writer is struggling to enjoy the game. And the Kotaku review is pretty much on par with IGN.
So its basically 1 negative review, 2 'meh' reviews (not really finished as of yet) and 1 very contradicting review.
There are 3 types of people in the world. 1.) Those who make things happen 2.) Those who watch things happen 3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
This is really going to hurt them. Usually when an MMO releases to bad reviews and word of mouth, they don't seem to grow much population wise. It's a stigma that sticks with the game.
I fully expect a "re-review" in the near future. There will be an overwhelming amount of backlash from the review which will result in an apology and a new review; which will be grossly inflated.
Now, where did I put my Tin-foil hat?
~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!
What backlash? I read the reviews from users, seems to no backlash from them. The reviews run the full range of the scores, pretty balanced. And why would anybody from Gamespot care is some people at SE are butt hurt? SE doesn't pay the bills, neither do the fanboys.
Roses are red Violets are blue The reviewer has a mishapen head Which means his opinion is skewed ...Aldous.MF'n.Huxley
This is really going to hurt them. Usually when an MMO releases to bad reviews and word of mouth, they don't seem to grow much population wise. It's a stigma that sticks with the game.
I fully expect a "re-review" in the near future. There will be an overwhelming amount of backlash from the review which will result in an apology and a new review; which will be grossly inflated.
Now, where did I put my Tin-foil hat?
~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!
What backlash? I read the reviews from users, seems to no backlash from them. The reviews run the full range of the scores, pretty balanced. And why would anybody from Gamespot care is some people at SE are butt hurt? SE doesn't pay the bills, neither do the fanboys.
It was sarcasm... >.<
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Find me an example. I think your memory is highly selective in this regard.
Moderators deleted them. Because they were offensive.
True but, lest we forget, a lot of yours were deleted along with them for the same reason. We've a great many people who feel antagonistic towards the game, and you're not doing yourself enough credit not to count yourself among one of the more zealous.
It's a bit of a chicken or the egg scenario exactly who started it. From my experiences on forums, I'll say it likely begun with a misunderstanding.
Personally, I don't see there as being any advantage in attacking anyone, but I can be pushed to acts of desperosity if I encounter an exceptionaly stubborn individual.
However, Final Fantasy XIV is a rather interesting case because it has a unique history: Final Fantasy XI also attracted a large number of detractors who really hated its console-friendly interface. In the end, the playerbase of the game came up with a simple justification, "the GUI difference is a barrier of entry to assure only the appropriate players will be able to surmount it in order to play the game." It undoubtedly burns the ears of the detractors of the game to hear the main reasons they dislike the game are looked at in the light of a failing grade on a test.
So I might have started it by saying such a thing, but it wasn't being said as a baseless insult, but rather remembering this time-honored rule of thumb for Final Fantasy XI players. This may be where the misunderstanding came from. It's a virtual culture shock thing. Straight up.
"but "fun" is not a feature that can be added with a simple patch."
oh shit.
Thats a good one. I have to remember that for an excuse next I need it. Now you both have no proof....you none against him and he cant prove they werent deleted. I like it.
Yeah, but who watches Yahtzee for actual reviews? Don't get me wrong, I don't miss an episode of ZP, but I don't take anything he says seriously. He actually used to enjoy JRPGs before they because interactive anime. He like Final Fantasy 3 because ti didin't contain all the "stuff" that modern JRPGs have now.
There's a difference between a hater who bashes the game with no purpose and players actually playing the game complaining. I'll be honest, I'm playing, and the only reason I haven't quit is because of my LS. I told them I'd give it to the end of the month to see if SE makes any changes in a positive direction. I just think it's a shame that SE has let the game release in the state it's in. There's a good game in there, but it's muddled by the overburdened design.
Anyway, this was a great review that mirrored the way I felt when I was playing. Hopefully some prospective buyers see it and take it to heart.
Do not buy this game for at least 6 months. And even then, do some research before doing so.
I believe the Review is pretty accurate. The graphics are totally awesome but...that's it.
And what pisses me off are those f'ing "monsters"....I loved FFVII, FFVIII, FFIX, FF Tactics and some others...and c'mon like the first boss u fight on FFVIII is Ifrit which is a baddass GF and all those great monsters and bosses u fight in all of the games....and it's frustrating when u go out and have to kill....Wharf Rats.. FFS. That's not cool.
I hope SE do better later on...but for now...I'm out.
Great!!!!
You can go to:
http://support.na.square-enix.com/contacttop.php?id=902&la=1
From now on I hope that every single complaint lodged in this forum is started with:
"I already sent this suggestion/bug/rant to SE.... but here it is for you guys to read because it's important for you to know the current state of things"
I'm actually kind of surprised they gave it such a high rating. The game doesn't deserve anything higher than a 3/10 right now, and that's only because the one good thing about it is the story, and you can only take part in the story after every five "ranks" of grinding. Everything else is just messy and broken.
1. Melee accuracy is obviously broken. I'm a rank 18 Marauder with rank 15-18 gear, and I've been pouring all of my physical level points in to STR and DEX evenly, and I still end up missing 10-15 times in a row on blue/green dot mobs. This also brings me to my next point, that the physical level point system is broken as well. The only two stats that work are VIT and the one that raises MP. Leveling any other stats right now would be a waste of points, since none of them seem to be working properly. I haven't seen any difference with damage done when raising STR, and I absolutely have not seen any increase in accuracy when leveling DEX.
2. The "skill up" system to "rank up" in this game is terrible. It was terrible in XI and it's terrible now, too. A random/luck-based level up system? Really? Could Square make grinding anymore painful than it already is? Killing a mob and getting 400-500 skill up points, and then killing the same type of mob again only to get 0 is ridiculous. They need to add some sort of median to the skill up system to make it less annoying. I mean, I've only leveled up one class besides Marauder so far (rank 10 Armorer), and my physical level is still higher than my class rank. They need to make it so that there is at least a "set" amount of skill up points that you can get for each mob, so that you never have to worry about getting a low amount of skill ups, or even none at all (assuming you aren't killing a mob that is completely beneath your rank of course).
3. The random/luck-based crafting system in this game is beyond broken, and is just poorly constructed as well. You know what's fun? Picking up a rank 5 Armorer guildleve as a rank 10 Armorer, and completely failing the guildleve without one success. I can't even imagine picking up any Armorer guildleves that actually correspond to my Armorer rank.
4. There is also a severe lack of content in this game, even when considering that it just launched. There are only three things to do in this entire game, and that's grinding, crafting, and story missions, and you can only do the story missions after you grind for a long enough period of time. You end up spending days grinding for the next five rank ups, just so you can move on to the next story mission that only ends up lasting about an hour, at which point you go back to grinding all over again.
5. Armor repairing in this game, again, is ridiculous. Your armor/weapons break in a matter of minutes worth of grinding, not to mention that it's incredibly difficult to find the supplies required to fix your stuff yourself, and if you don't feel like finding the supplies to fix your gear, you'll end up having to pay an arm and a leg for an NPC to only partially repair your gear.
6. The market wards system is broken. I mean, I really can't think of anything else to say about it. It's just broken. I've been storing my money ever since they made that announcement that they're going to try and categorize the market wards a bit more, to make it easier to see what people are selling. Having to sort through hundreds of players in a highly condensed area for what you're looking for is just stupid. 90% of the people in the wards end up selling completely useless items that no one wants or needs, and the other 10% that actually has the items that you want end up selling it for a way overpriced amount.
7. General technical issues, take your pick really. Poorly optimized game, constant connection issues, bugs that prevent people from being able to gain skill up points in groups, bugs that cause enemies to run back to their spawn locations and recover all of their health, UI lag.
8. Lack of communication and support from Square. Not only has Square neglected to acknowledge these issues, the only thing that they've ended up fixing since the launch was a loophole that allowed players to gain a large amount of exp in a short amount of time. They haven't acknowledged the issues, they haven't announced when they were planning on fixing anything, no updates on anything other than server status and player profile images on the lodestone. All we can do is speculate on what they're going to fix, how they're going to fix it, and when they're going to fix it.
The funny part is that this doesn't even cover all of the problems that the game has. It seems as if the only thing Square focused on was the graphics, and the bare minimum amount of gameplay required to actually be able to call this a "game". So it is definitely deserving of all of the low scores that it is inevitably going to get (and has already got).
Played FFXI since the first day of its NA launch (and loved it immediately), and afterwards for six years. Been following this game since it was first unveiled as Project Rapture, and ended up pre-ordering the CE two months in advance (back when this site announced the CE/PC release date, I went down to Gamestop immediately and pre-ordered the CE). I'm not trying to be a hater, but I can't help but find myself frustrated when I think about how little effort Square put in to the actual "game" part of the "game", since I know the team that made FFXI could do a whole lot better than this. But for as incomplete and broken as the game is right now, I'm still going to end up subbing for another month, to see if they will end up fixing any of the many issues the game has. This game has the potential to be really good, but that's the only good thing about it right now, is its potential.
Eh, a lot of what people are complaining about right now has been complained about throughout beta and fell on deaf ears at SE. And that's the problem with this game. Even the Japanese testers complained about a lot of the issues plaguing the game and were ignored.
The dev team knew the game was in a bad shape design wise and still pushed it as is, which is evident by the fact that they sent letters to every major gaming site/mag asking them to not review the game or give impressions for at least 3-4 weeks after launch. They knew a lot of the players would be unhappy with the state of the game and wanted to prevent official reviews from pointing out the glaring issues to save box sales. They know that the launch state of an MMO can make or break the game.
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
Its obvious that SE dedicated their resources to appeal to the FFXI crowd. Their goal was to either get them to pay for 2 accts or get them to covert to FFIV. Nothing new here if you like XI you play XIV or stick with XI plain and simple. If you was looking for anything more search somewhere else. They never had any intentions of appealing to anyone else. They are in no way trying to get players from any other game. If you play XI you play XIV.
This is a brave move and you have to commend them for sticking to their roots, which no other MMORPG company will do.
I think that review pretty accurately stated what so many here have been saying all along.
Setting up an account - too much effort.
Learnging how to use the UI - too much effort.
Learning how to fight - too much effort.
Finding things to do - too much effort.
Learning how to team - too much effort.
Communicating - too much effort.
Questing and content - not enough guidance.
Crafting and gathering - takes too much time.
Using the map - too much effort.
Buying and selling - too much effort and takes too much time.
So yeah, pretty accurate review of what people see about this game. It's too bad though it was seen this way, maybe if it didnt take so much effort or time, maybe if it was easier and faster... Good review though if you ask me.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
This statement makes your "cause" seem disengenuous. Even if SE doesn't listen as you allege ( inductions and circumstantial evidence make great stories, but they should only be taken so far...) regardless of what SE does if you really believed in what you said "Do we want the game to fail? No" you'd send that suggestion/bug report/rant anyways because some chance of inciting change is better than none. Just because SE doesn't reply to suggestions or bug reports doesn't mean they are *not* working on it... (I'd be impressed if you could prove that they're not).
EDIT: Just so it's clear, I'll reiterate: http://support.na.square-enix.com/contacttop.php?id=902&la=1
So a random guy who's review history totals a whopping 4 games is now the holy bringer of truth that will harken in the demise of FFXIV? Nice try but Gamespot's reviews of WoW and it's expansions were torn apart by posters on this very board (Blizzard bias, corporate backpocketing based on ads, blah, blah, blah). But now all of a sudden their a very creditable source? Get real ppl you cannot have it both ways.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Despite what some people think of Gamespot, they've given accurate reviews on most games I've played. As for arguing against the review, you can tell by the reviewer that he/she put in a lot of time into the game. If you read it, you'd realize that the person made it to level 20+, which is actually a respectable level, so he/she did spend a lot of time in the game.
I know the vast majority of people will read the number and the little pros/cons box that Gamespot offers and post here, so I guess I'm hoping for a miracle here in that they take the time to go back and re-read the review.
The review touched on everything that has already been said on the forums, and it is my honest opinion that this game deserves a review of no greater/less than a 5.
I have nothing but a strong desire to see FFXIV blossom into a great MMORPG. I know I've accumulated something of a "hater" reputation for FFXIV, but the truth is, it's a tough-love kind of thing. I'm deeply enthralled with FF and as such it pains me when I see something like this hit the markets. So yes, I suppose I am angry, and sure, I shouldn't be angry, but I suppose that's who I am.
It doesn't matter at this point. It all boils down to what you like and what you don't like.
Suffice it to say, I've given up any and all hope for this game. I've been eyballing it every time I go to the store. Like so many others, its easy to dismiss what people say on MMORPG.com, but as I said earlier, I do take Gamespot reviews seriously. And as far as that goes, you can't ignore the community's score of 5.5ish, which is what I think this game actually deserves.
I do believe 4.0 is too tough on the game, but I digress. Best to save that for another day.
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Trust me, in beta we reported issues as well as what we felt could be better (there were several of us playing and we actually wrote some pretty decent sized emails).
Thing is no one is saying they are not working on it, as we can all agree that the very well could be. The fact of the matter is that a lot of the issue people complained about that are present in the release are things that should have been dealt with in beta but weren't. As I said, SE knew what was wrong and didn't bother to correct it before launch. Instead they hoped that gaming reviewers would be kind and give them 3-4 weeks post launch before giving reviews or impressions about the game. They knew the current state of the game was going to be pointed out for potential customers to see and could very well damage sales.
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
This is really going to hurt them. Usually when an MMO releases to bad reviews and word of mouth, they don't seem to grow much population wise. It's a stigma that sticks with the game.
Its and MMO. I am normally gone within 6 months anway.
I fully expect a "re-review" in the near future. There will be an overwhelming amount of backlash against the review which will result in an apology and a new review; which will be grossly inflated.
Now, where did I put my Tin-foil hat?
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So this is the first negative review of FFXIV since going live one week ago right? The rest have been pretty much posative?
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
One done by Cheat CC was negative in the review yet gave the game a high score. IGN's review is an ongoing review, but the writer is struggling to enjoy the game. And the Kotaku review is pretty much on par with IGN.
So its basically 1 negative review, 2 'meh' reviews (not really finished as of yet) and 1 very contradicting review.
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
What backlash? I read the reviews from users, seems to no backlash from them. The reviews run the full range of the scores, pretty balanced. And why would anybody from Gamespot care is some people at SE are butt hurt? SE doesn't pay the bills, neither do the fanboys.
Roses are red
Violets are blue
The reviewer has a mishapen head
Which means his opinion is skewed
...Aldous.MF'n.Huxley
Some of the best movies and games I have ever played got BAD reviews. I pay them no mind. I have my own to decide that.
It was sarcasm... >.<
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