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will SWTOR change mmo's?
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I wrote this exact post on the Star Wars: The Old Republic forums and plan on writing a entry on my blog within the next month on this very subject. Im very excited for this game and I want peoples viewpoints.
Ive been playing games since I was a kid. Playstation, Nintendo 64, Dreamcast, PS2, Xbox, Gamecube, Xbox 360, PS3, PC...ive spent alot of times with games. ( no im not a nerd and yes i have a job ) But with all my years with games there have been very few that have had the anticipation and talk that SWTOR is bringing from what ive seen.
SWTOR in my opinion is recieving the same expectation as games like Halo 2-3-Reach, Call of Duty games, GTA, and WoW. Yes, there are many successful games, but few reach the height that these games have had over the years.
I remember when I first heard the announcement of this game 2 years ago...I immediatly went on the SWTOR website and made a account. The forums there have been buzzing unlike ANY other games forums I have ever been a part of. ( AGAIN what I myself have been a part of )
I believe also that people want a new king of mmo's. Three years ago if you asked people what the best MMO ever is you'd hear World of Warcraft of course. Now people are getting tired of WoW despite what people will argue. People are realizing that it does not have much to offer gameplay wise anymore, and many people are saying its next expansion will be even worse the the last one.
But with SWTOR people are seeing this is a new breed of mmo perhaps. This game not only is using the Star Wars universe which is dear to alot of our hearts, but its bringing the gamers more then the normal LETS RUSH TO MAX LEVEL AND GET PHAT LEWTZ attitude WoW has given a mojority of mmo players.
So in the end do I think this game will dethrone WoW and bring on a new age of mmo's? Yes. I also believe the release of this game will be a pivital moment in recent gaming history. I would kill to play the BETA now and see if my hopes and expectations are true. But this time next year we will know for sure.
These are just my personal views on this and I dont want to upset or start a flame war. Keep the comments civil please.
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Just another mmoftm (for the masses / flavor of the month). It will be ok, not great. Just like WoW. I don't think it will satisfy most veterans of the mmo genre.
I'd like to point out that the hype for Warhammer Online, EQ2, AoC, Vanguard, Shadowbane, Fury and Darkfall along with a whole host of single and multi-player titles also had big hype.
TOR has a lot of good ideas, so did most of those games, TOR has the potentual to pull it off, so did some of those games, the big question is can Bioware create enough high quality content to keep people playing and subcribed for a long peroid of time?
*edit* As far as this "dethroning" goes I'd personally think we'd more likely see a fairly even market split with TOR appealing to one type of player and WoW to another. I'd also like to reiterate CONTENT IS KING. Wow has hundreds of hours of solo and group content and while TOR *promises* to have the same thing its one thing to promise hundreds of hours of high quality content and another to deliver on said.
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This thread is going to attract a ton of negativity.
I am very excited for TOR, however I don't think it will be the big shift in MMOs you and many others seem to believe. TOR has some pretty creative ideas, and the game looks stunning, however they aren't changing much when the core gameplay is considered. they are sticking with the tried true and familiar which I am PERFECTLY fine with.
the emphasis on story and the journey not the end is something this genre desperately needed and for that I applaud them, but they didn't change what didn't need to be changed. just my two cents.
didn't read your post (yet..gonna read, I prommise), but no.
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Swtor might be the game which can prove that a WoW-like game can be successful not the other way around. If there is a game that can change mmo's forever that will be GW2 as has been said in various gaming sites. Swtor will be more of the same added a good story and a voice over. I hope it will be good.
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Agree with the red. TOR really isn't doing anything that innovative as far as I can see. They are just shooting for a super polished experience. Voice overs and major attention to story certianly won't HURT the game. But unless the gameplay is extremely good no one will care. It's like FF14's shiny graphics. Voice overs are all well and good but if the instances all suck and the PvP is an unbalanced mess or somthing then kiss a couple million subcribers goodbye.
Then theres all the little things. As an example pretty much every endgame healer in WoW uses mousover macro's because it is far smoother than manually clicking on targets. I would have a lot of trouble playing a healer, or for that matter any other class, if there are no mouseover macro's in TOR. It's a little thing, but the little things add up fast.
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If anything at all, the one aspect of MMO's I sincerely hope TOR will change, is the 'get rich quick' mentality greedy publishers have been approaching our genre with since WoW hit without thinking about WHY WoW has been popular. I hope it will be a wake up call to the publishers regarding the quality of the games they've been releasing.
With all the WoW Clones out there, the one thing about WoW that nobody has bothered to try to 'clone' is quality. In that regard, I certainly hope hope EA/BioWare manages to 'clone' WoW.
If it is as advertised, I think a lot of people who enjoy WoW but are tired of WoW will like it. I think people who enjoy single player RPGs will like it.
It doesn't sound like my kind of game, but I could never say for sure unless I tried it.
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I do not think the release of SWTOR will change the MMO world much, if anything at all. It will be "just another release";
*The graphics look awful, almost outdated. The cartoon like graphic appeals to the minority of players
*Railway "Star Wars Space Combat"; I might be wrong on this, but this is definately a huge mistake
These 2 point are key essential; I think SWTOR will not live up to it's hype, and DEFINATELY not challenge WOW and it's 12 million subscribers. WOW will be the king for many years to come. In fact I have started to doubt if it ever will be challenged.
Make us care MORE about our faction & world pvp!
I'm not sure if it's going to reinvent the genre so to speak, but i believe it will have an impact on one thing. The story, If the game does well many game developers will begin to really focus on good stories (which i can only see as a good thing) and if it does really well. Then we will see more voice overs instead of just text. I enjoy a good book as well as the next person but in my games i want the person to talk to me not in a quest box. So i really hope this aspect of the genre grows (the story and hopefully the voice overs)
As for the WoW part the only way i see this happening at all is if Blizzard's Cata makes a lot of people mad (ala SWG, sorry had to bring it up only thing that is even close to what Cata is doing) and BW really blows people away with the expansive planets and story. Otherwise a lot of people will stay with WoW and it will still remain on top.
That doesn't mean however that simply because WoW has more subs that this game can't do something positive for the genre (ala VO which in my opinion make it a thousand times more immersive then quest text) and a story that really makes you feel apart of it (ala actually putting your character in the story talking to the people around you and changing the story even if it's something as simple as a 3 choice pathway)
In certain areas i see that if ToR does well that it will change how MMOs do things. I don't however believe it will change how the entire genre works. That would simply be unrealistic of me to think it would. Though nothing is impossible so i could be wrong there.
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Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
I agree with Whilan. If it does well, it can only be a good thing for the future of MMO's. To make story with choice that changes your path through the game. So the leveling or skilling up process can have more meaning. Less rush to end game and more fun for the entire game can only be a good thing.
As far as WoW. In 3 to 4 years after the launch of TOR. WoW will be 9 or 10 years old. No matter how good WoW is, it will decline. But TOR or any other game will never see 10 plus million subs again. Mainly because the genre will be saturated with a large number of games and the pay structure seems to be moving to F2P in some way shape or form. So there will never be another WoW.
TOR will be a very good game and possibly a very good MMO. But how people will react in this day and age is anyone's guess.
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I'm sure it will be a perfectly fun game, but change the genre? Not likely, apart from vioceovers it's got almost everything all other basic mmo's already have and combined it into one package, so on that level it could come acrossed as more of the same - maybe more refined, but still fun (and fun is really all that matters when it comes to games).
I'm too jaded to get excited about any game being released, I've heard the hype way too many times before. I just watch and wait.
I dont know what information you have been reading to make you feel that SWTOR is going to be original in any other way than the story arc focus.
Pretty much its shaping up to be WoW in space, with a few fluff 'mini games' like the star fox shooter. Not saying thats a bad thing, many people like WoW. But for those who do not like it or are totally over the basic themepark style game SWTOR isnt going to have anything to keep their interest.
the only hope for SWTOR to be any different from WoW is to give an extremely paramount role to choices&consequences, because other than that, there's nothing even remotely new about this game's actual content(forget combat, combat is for kids, it changes the way you do things, not the things you do)
During a quest, you have companions and a story, and it takes place inside a persistant world.
Choices should change the story/plot and consequentially:
-create immediate gameplay content with the companions, social interaction
-set the whole open world against you in some PvP-centric way, obviously coherent with the decisions you made
If choices can't affect what you do, if they can't provide substantial consequences, there's NO pillar of story, because story will not be protagonist of the game, and the game will fail.
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I think alot of people get into trouble when they start thinking like this (referring to the OP's hype). Many have been let down hard by a game due to their own unrealistic hyped expectations. And then - through no fault of their own - they get mad and feel cheated. Will SWTOR be good/bad? I don't know. And I won't truly know until I actually try it. But until then, I am not going to hype myself in either direction of it being good or bad. Simply put, we'll know when we know.
As for a WoW-killer? Well, I am not sure why everyone is even obsessed with this sort of thing. It won't change your life in any way, heh. So why bother obsessing over it? I really don't think there ever will be such a thing because nothing really starts out as an "over night" success. Even World of Warcraft had to build its popularity and subscription numbers over a span of 6 years. They didn't debut with a 12mil (or whatever) fanbase. Could SWTOR be a WoW-killer? Its possible...given a couple (3-5) years to grow and get the word out if it is good. It's also quite possible that it won't be.
But as far as an over-night-insta-WoW-killer, no. I don't think that could or would happen with any game. Then again, never say never, right?
Are you going to stick some references in this blog post that's taking you a month? You say a lot of things that don't appear to have much fact :P
I never understand why people look up to WoW so much, it's like how people look to Apple too - they are both companies with good marketing departments that have steadily grown businesses. I have never seen reliable stats on what porportion of the mmo industry WoW holds but I bet it's not that impressive, like 25% at most. The problem is not that WoW needs to be dethroned, the problem is that all the games coming out are complete crap run by idiot companies so a successfully run mmo that offers frequent expansions, well structured content and a large playerbase appeals to everyone. There's no point trolling the next expansion, it will be a massive success, shares in activision are going to go through the roof just like they did with every previous expansion.
If a well run company comes along with a friendly, well structured game at exactly the right point between the dwindling of WoW1 and the release of WoW2 then they could start to build a large, active playerbase. They could still release any time but it would be wise to pick that moment. If they run a successful business with regular expansions, TV adverts etc. then they could build up their own market share. I honestly don't think KOTOR will be that successful, the star wars universe is quite a tired one with countless games and recent films that have alienated a lot of people. The overheads associated with an IP like that unusually mean a company loses it's balls and starts making mistakes. WoW was developed well because the pressure was low, they didn't have lifelong fanbois to please or an IP that was expensive.
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The bigwigs of software companies in this year's GDC state instead that one MMO proves itself in the first 6 months. IF it doesn't succeed then, it's doomed.
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SWTOR will not change MMORPGs because even if it is successful, it does nothing really new for the genre. So, let's say it overtakes WoW somehow. So then what? There's nothing new in it that will make other dev teams say, "We have GOT to do that!"... not to mention the money thrown to put a game together like TOR had. Not to mention that the game itself is derivative of WoW (in BioWare's own intents).
So, even if it becomes the new King of the Hill; Say hello to the new boss, same as the old.
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"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
I'm actually very concerned about where TOR will take MMOs. It is a game that I intend to play for the IP as well as previous games by the developers, but I don't expect it to take the genre back to a more persistent world focus.
I mean, it can already be seen that there is emphasis on soloing or the ability to, perhaps even moreso than WoW- and we see where that led the community. It all really does boil down to what the endgame offers, and I have a feeling that it will result in more raid-or-die. I certainly enjoy good storylines and if they do that well then hopefully other developers will take heed, but it seems to me that TOR will become another single player scifi/fantasy game with console-style gameplay that just happens to be on a computer with a chatroom full of pubescent stupidity on top. I sincerely hope I'm wrong.
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