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General: Fighting Talk: EVE vs Star Trek Online
SBFord
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In his latest Fighting Talk column, MMORPG.com's battle master, Adam Tingle, places CCP Games' EVE Online and Cryptic's Star Trek Online in the ring for a battle royale. Adam compares each game's universe, player characters, community, end game and PvP features. Will one of these space-themed MMOs score a knockout? Read Adam Tingle's EVE vs Star Trek Online to find out!
Hello and welcome back! Today we pit two space-fairing MMORPGs against one another: Eve Online versus Star Trek Online. Just which is stronger? Just which is better? Just which has bigger space cajones? It’s Trekkies versus Evies, Galante versus Klingon; just who is better? Just who has the greatest crinkled brow? There is only one way to find out! Unhook the telephone, send your loved ones away to shelter, and as always clutch a genital of your choice with nervous tension. Let's. Get. Ready. To-A-Ruuuuumble!
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Couldn't wait for TOR, huh? Also, that was kinda... unfair match-up.
Assuming that the scores given only reflect a comparison between these two games, then I have to agree.
EVE is a great title, worthy of its fans' dedication and loyalty.
STO... well, let's just hope that somebody else gets a shot at the Star Trek IP other than Cryptic. Hopefully sometime in the not-too-distant-future.
Tossing EvE in "Fighting Talk" with STO is like matching up GSP and a toddler in the Octagon.
Can we do CO and CoX next please? I wanna see another land slide...
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Careful what you wish for. I believe someone else does have access to the ST IP and are making a browser based game. I'll try to dig up a link...
edit: ok, it's in German, http://www.gameforge.de/content/blogcategory/35/69/lang,en/ (despite the (lang,en) part). Looks like it is DS9 based according to google translation.
-mklinic
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I already feel the drama.
Spreadsheets! Gankers! 20 years needed to catch up! Crappy UI!
vs
CO in space! No content! Cryptic! Cash Shop! It was cool for the first 2 days, then i ran out of content!
Nice Bait...
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More like pre-emptive strike
I agree, this was a slaughter all the way, but it would be interesting to see it done again in about a year or so when SWTOR is released and has at least 6 months under its belt.
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Honestly I would have much rather seen a DF vs EVE article.
I understand they are to completely different settings but both games target a similar playerbase.
And seriously that article would have generated some Heat.
This one is just sad...
Even if you don't like Eve you can't deny that its a fundamentally sound game, STO on the other hand is a mess.
Even the players that like the game know it has problems. Its no freaking contest.
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Next edition in Fighting talk:
Books versus Cats
the only thing that is common about star trek and Eve online is that its internet spaceships.
cant compare them in anything else.
Clearly this is some kind of joke.
EVE is the dominant space MMO. It is a high-quality, player-driven living universe. It has years of refinement and feature development poured into it, and a growing, vibrant customer base.
STO is a crappy knock-off, though of an intellectual property that millions know and love, with mediocre RPG gameplay and mediocre space gameplay. Last I heard, it was busy choking on its own vomit. I will be utterly unsurprised when I hear this abortion has been turned off.
Even troubled development projects like Jumpgate Evolution are probably going to be more interesting space games than STO.
Why are we even having this conversation?
Nice even matchup :P
A few things come to mind when thinking about STO.
Imagine if CCP had done STO instead of Cryptic. For those familiar with EVE Online, the space aspects almost feel like a perfect fit right off the back and one cannot help but notice the ST influence. It is not that far of a stretch in the least to extrapolate other game mechanics from EVE into what would be a STO world.
For those looking forward to Incarna in EVE, think about STO without the ground missions. Is that what you are all clamoring for?
And last but not least, did Cryptic design the worst possible jump animations as part of some April Fool's Day joke aimed at Square Enix?
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Explorer: 87%, Killer: 67%, Achiever: 27%, Socializer: 20%
I have an idea.
Mods if you are reading this why not let us vote on the next Fighting Talk match up?
Put out a list of ten possible match ups and have us vote.
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The difference is Eve is boring right away and STO is boring after 6 hours of gameplay
This is like comparing Mike Tyson in his prime to the local neighborhood bully.
*baffled*
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Honestly, this article isn't even worth reading. EVE vs STO? Really? You couldn't think of anything else to write about, like strawberry jam vs toe jam?
Despite the whole unfairness of the match-up, the bias on this article is of such magnitude that it makes reading the whole thing a rather boring chore. It just screams "I love EVE so much and I believe that STO sucks!". Is impartiality too much to ask for?
What... the... hell... is... this?! None of this needed to be said.
It's like analyzing a fight between me and Mike Tyson.
Step one: Get owned by Mike Tyson.
Step two: Declare winner.
This just never needed to happen to find out who would win the fight.
I don't know, the article seems solid to me. EVE is clearly superior to STO so the language used in the article is bound to reflect that. That doesn't mean the author was unfair to STO; sometimes there just isn't anything good to say about a game.
Until you cancel your subscription, you are only helping to continue the cycle of mediocrity.
I have to agree with this. I am not sure what it is the point in this comparison. Eve is a sandbox and STO is a themepark, their goals are different. Not much difference that comparing wow to any of those games.
I'd say it's fairly biased, you can see that in how the author phrases some things, but he's trying best as he can to be neutral. He's just not very good at it. Hang in there, kitty, you'll get it eventually.
Overall, as a detached observer, I'd have to say his conclusions are basically right. Eve Online is pretty feckin' brilliant and functional. It's attracted a fanatically loyal playerbase. It does a wonderful job evoking the sense of scale and complexity you'd want from a science fiction game in that setting. CCP are some very sharp cookies. However, STO hasn't been out nearly as long as Eve Online. Compare Eve in it's first year to STO in it's first year if you must compare them at all. I seem to recall it wasn't exactly gangbusters at that point. Some folks assumed it would die.
As a less than detached observer, though, I'd have to admit I don't particularly enjoy PvP or playing a space-going accountant. Given those restrictions, I personally do have more fun in STO. At least in short spurts. There's not really much staying power yet. They need to turn Exploration into a much bigger thing, with more randomization, and just more stuff going on out there. It's really a grind as it is. However, they have done some things I do like. I enjoy ship interiors, though to be honest we don't have much use for them yet (maybe with eventual player generated content or multiplayer ships we'll see more functionality). I also have to say the Weekly Missions they've done with the Breen were pretty good. And I'm not someone who normally likes scripted content.
For me it's still too early to say that STO is d00med. I heard that about other games in the past, including Eve Online, and somehow that hasn't always turned out to be the case.
Always notice what you notice.
Yeah the difference is EvE meets their goal and STO doesn't.
Themepark, sandbox... doesn't matter. Crap is crap.
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As I expected from the title, STO got sorely trounced.
This is what happens when you make a bad game Cryptic!
I think there are a number of things to consider when trying to match them up at the one year mark...Look at EvE, it is not based on a well known and pre-defined IP so that had to be developed as opposed to ST which already had the background. If I recall correctly, CCP was selling a board game version to finance the development of the MMO where as, to my understanding, Cryptic already had reasonable finances. Not to mention the in-house tech already in use by Cryptic that was used in ST. Additionally, there were the publisher issues for CCP which Cryptic has not been subject to. (and so on, and so on).
The point being, there is no real apples to apples comparison of these two games at any point other then being in space. (in my opinion of course).
I'll agree with others that the article basically sums up as: "let me tell you something obvious", but meh, it's an opinion piece and the rest of the articles have been pretty interesting so I'll give the author a pass :P
-mklinic
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Do something wrong, no one forgets"
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