The comparison between the two was bad merely because it was so lopsided, but then you could compare STO to pretty much any mmo out there and it would take a hammering.
Not true. Comparing it to Champions Online would be a pretty even match-up.
About a month before STO was released MMORPG.com released a MASSIVE 3 part pre-view regarding STO, basically explaining in intricate terms how god damn awfull it was and that, basically, noone should buy it.
STO was released, everyone bought it.. (except for a few smart cookies) and..well, this is MMORPG.com's way of saying "I really did tell you so!"
I'm sorry Adam, you should really try harder on these things. First off, the points system has got to go since I don't believe you should be the judge of how much weight one category carries over another for each of the games, leave it up to the players to decide that, why not a straight 1 point for winning a category?
Speaking of categories, Group and Solo experience combined under one category? I know for sure in EVE these are reflected very differently on so many different levels due to the sandbox nature of the game. Also, I don't see why End-game and PvP were combined into one either, you do know in EVE these are not synonymous and the End-game in EVE is kind of the whole game in EVE.
There isn't a straight line of progression, the game is more horizontal than vertical if that makes sense (EVE players should understand where I'm coming from).
i strongly urge the staff at mmorpg to start playing these games they plan to put posts up for before they start comparrison threads. reason i say this is because there is no comparrison to which game is better. eve online absolutely blows sto out of the water in every single aspect every single time. while cryptic hold te reigns and rights to startrek online that game will never be worthy.
i played it form beta completed on my headstart weekend played it for a further 2 months then canceled all subs, the game is a rushed farce, there is absolutley only one mentality behind the creation of sto and it wasnt to give its fans something to interact with. it was a money sink for cryptic and nothing more.
it was the most anticipated game of 2009. and probably the worst themed title ever released. they have put litteraly no effort or thought into te game and if i was to assume something it would be that the developers had very little knowledge of startrek and online role playign games.
te best game ive played of cryptics is city of heroes city of villains, and thats because its cheap and cheesey as you would expect it to be for the title. oh and i love my red spandex.
but yea eve is the best game ive played in the last 10 years, i have not been able to find any oter game to match its depth feel and playability. its truely epic on all levels. ive played wow, lord of the rings starwars galaxies, voyage century, and heaps of other mmorpg titles. the list is massive. and eve is at the very top.
its about time developers started tryign to break the boundries rather than surfing the the fine line that all games are developed around. games today are empty and unevolving with limited content, its obsurd to think that almost all mmorpg's have endings now. end game content, what is end game content doing in a game world thats supposed to be never ending ??
end game content is for games like republic commando, or, kotor. not mmo's. starwars galaxies is another good title, not because its starwars because of the way it plays and the content it offers and the fredom players have to make their own way in the game, i think its brilliant tat players can actually create their very own cities and economies in the cities. its just ingenious game play. and it allows for further indulgence of the game rather than just being tied into the end game raids.
take wow and lord of the rings for instance, what do you do exactly at te end other than pvp untill your so bored you start looking for anomolies between your toes, the crafting is retardedly pathetic and empty with no value in the game, people dont want to make a game play experience out of crafting in these two games because 1 the resources are more exspencive than the end product and 2 the end product is no where as good as te items you aquire from raids and quests.
they look lovely play smoothly and have epic story lines, but they all bloody end and then you stop playing, its rteally that simple. eve doesnt end, and neither does starwars galaxies, their is always somethign to keep you occupied in these too titles. eve is all about te player run corporations and alliance with its community diplomacy and polotics wich is again ingenious, and swg is al about its complex deep crafting which used to be even more brilliant before they removed decay from the materials.
all games today are lacking what eve and swg provide in abundance and its these things tat prevent modern games from being great games.
wow isnt great because its a great game, wow is great because it has lots of players that have been sucked in by its collosal advertiseing campaigns.
please excuse my grammer, my keyboard is on the way out and its not working how it sould be.
wen i play an online game i dont play it to read a book, i play it to experience something a little diffrent from cleaning my ouse and going to work and watching tv, tat comes in the form of playing a role in a fantasy world and being who the hell i want to be but with out all the red tape and beurocratic rules and regulations preventing my progress.
mmorpg's should be free realm they hould be massive, tey should be sandbox, and they should be content filled and empower the player. unfortunately they do not.
I have played Eve since 2003 and never really got into any other MMO, but even a massive ccp fanboi like me thinks some of the scores are ridiculous here. Eve getting 9/10 for player character ? Umad? 9/10 for game universe? Its big but its also empty. Even end game/pvp which is eve's no.1 strength has some serious flaws and is only as good as it is because of meaningful loss which any other game developer could implement if they had the balls. STO must be trully awful if it compares badly to eve in every feild.
OK, Ok. As writer of this series, I take on your criticisms and in later articles will strive to remedy the negatives. As I point out time and time again, these are my opinions, try as I might, I am going to always be subjective- such is being human. Bias is something that nobody can hide, however, this is something I will try to minimize in future.
In regards to your comments that the website is trying to stir up some sort of inter-mmo war. Come on buddy, these articles are meant to be fun and entertaining. They are not the last word in the quality of the game neither or they meant to be pieces of journalistic art. Sure there is an element of debate to them but come on, I'm trying to entertain people on this website first and foremost. Give me a break.
Also, Eve Online versus Star Trek Online- is it a fair comparison? I am going to say yes, as both share a common genre element. Sure, it's sand box versus theme park but on the general idea that these are the foremost representations of Space MMORPGs, I think it fair to consider these worthy of the comparison.
The fact is that compared to other legitimate sites, and the articles therein, this piece doesn't hold up. I think the problem is, though, that many of us expected that same level of professionalism that we see on those other sites. That is apparently our mistake. I fully realize (now anyways) that I was expecting the site to be held to a standard it's not striving for.
I see now that this site is more the "tabloid" version to the "newspapers" that are those other sites. Articles with titles in the realm of "Why this popular MMO will ruin your life" or "game x vs. game y" are simply for shock value, to draw people in and sell ad space, while they really contain only poorly written opinions and meaningless scores. That's okay, though, because people still read tabloids.
On a personal note, I would like to give you some friendly advice and say that I hope you are not expecting to make a career out of being a game journalist. When you respond to criticisms by essentially saying "the articles aren't meant to be good journalism", it doesn't bode well. If you were serious about being a journalist, I would imagine you would try to make every article good, because your past work is what future employers are going to judge you on. People don't want to read articles where you just 'phone it in' as it were. If you are serious about a career in journalism, I would suggest perhaps finding some local professional writing courses, studying journalism, and working on your writing structure.
I will make sure, next time, to remember the level of quality the site is striving for may not be the level I would expect.
V ery well said. For myself MMORPG has just lost it's place as my homepage. This article and the 'quality' it shows was a joke. The simple fact is the retraction by MMORPG as they backpedal away from this shows if the article is not libel then it is merely an opinion and I don't come here to read mere opinion pieces that belong in an EVE fanboi forum.
I don't come here to watch a petulant writer, and I use the term looslely after viewing his blog here, who's ability to put forward their ideas in a manner that is far more deserving of a 'troll post' be given a soapbox to vent. SB Ford should be ashamed that he even passed such a thing for 'publication'.
Very, very poor form MMORPG, things have been going down hill for a very long time but it appears your editorial body has finally hit rock bottom. After many years it appears our relationship is over. I would however be interested to know where exactly Adam Tingle fits into your 'vision' TM, as EQ would've put it. You say he's not a games reviewer but a regular contributor. Well in that case if this is the 'quality' you seek I'll be taking my reading on MMO's to a more reputable website and be encouraging all of my friends to do the same.
I'd wish you good luck but to be honest if this is the drivel you want to serve up then I'm quite happy to simply head out now I've shared my opinion...
eve doesnt have bad points, but it does generate oppinions from diffrent types of gamers, for isntance most people that dont like simply dont like it because of the learning curve it puts you through. eve is not a agme for the hack and slash players. it takes patiences and an afinity to learn new understandings, and the ability to judge charecter of other people.
you log into eve and you have a spaceship. at the start you think hmm ok what next, so liek any good game player starting anew in a new game you tinker through the tutorials. eve tutorials are not exactly light reading, there is a vast array of learning in eve tutorials.
the tutorials will not prepair you for eve, they simply show you how all the ui works and how to use your cargo guns and weapons. how to dock and use jump gates.
it has absolutely nothing about player mentality methods of play styles of play, where to start in regaurds to skills. all this has to be aquired by your own initiative, you have to actually talk to people to get any where worth going in eve. eve is not an easy game to play. you cannot simply pick it up and be instantly good at it in a few days. infact you wont experience the true game of eve untill you have taken the plunge an flung youir selves into the depth of 0.0 space and player polotics alliances coalitions and diplomacy, eve is about making close friends and understanding peoples attitudes and the way they may think. every one is diffrent and every situation in eve is possibly a volotile one, mainly because the fear of loss. people in eve fear to loose their ship it costs a fortune to replace and it takes so long to rtain the skills to use said ships. their is an epic sence of achievment once you reach one of your many many goals.
eve isnt about grinding your way to max level, there isnt a max level, when you think your getting ahead they release whole new content and a whole bag load of new skills to go with it, eve doesnt have end game content eve is a living breathing game world fueld by interaction between many players. and they are all crammed into one server.
eve is by no means empty. it has over 6000 solar systems and anything between 16000 and 50000 players online at any one time in the whole server one server, there is probably a good 300k accounts maybe more. in comparrison to other games its client base is tiny, but the population of the server is vast much vaster than any other game.
ive never felt alone in eve, i wish i would, as you jump through that star gate in a freighter, you sure as hell hope no one is waiting on the other side to steel your cargo and destroy your ship or even ransom you.
there is no right or wrong way to play eve, people can harrass you prey on you beat on you use you abuse you and corrupt you. not many people can stomache these kinds of behaviors, eve is not for the feint of heart.
in eve you should be aiming to make friends lots of friends find a good aulity corp that is going somewhere that has had success and wants further success, eve is about team work and you will find it very difficult without friends.
ive been playing for the past 5 years, and its one hell of a harsh game. i love it. survival of the fittest. every one at the start is meer prey, your just some one elses lunch waiting to be consumed. it will happen probably 2-3 times each week, you will feel like your getting no where and that playing th egame has no point. you will struggle to see the bigger picture. every eve player goes through this. the game is hard as hell tto get a foothold in, but once you find your feet and finally start to understand how eve works and how the people in eve think the game becomes much much much easier.
the rewards when working with dedicated team players in eve is greater than that of any game. well any that ive ever played thats for sure.
eve however comes with its down sides too, sure you canplay solo, but god damn its boreing and tedious and uneventful. people will still prey on you, you are vulnerable. eve also a lag issue dureing huge fleet battles. im not talking 50 -60 players battleing it out, im talking 500-1000 players battling it out, these are the sizes of the battles you can expect to be able to take part in. though they are laggy as hell, on my pc some times i have to wait a full 3 minutes for the battle to render before i can actually take part, some times you dont live that long and dont get to see the battle any way, this has to be eves biggest flaw at present.
the crafting is fantastic and the resource system is great too. you can conquer territory and lay claim to to entire regions of space and then you have to try and defend them and keep them. you set your own rules and laws for your corp/alliance. and police your own space lanes. you can be a businessman banker pirate military commander or a lone wolf its up to you, their are no mechanics as such that protect you from being ganked, the game is trying to simulate a type of realism that you would expect if you lived in space. the game is awesome. but its not for every one.
the game also has its fair share of clowns too, the balance possy, they fly one type of ship and they get owned by another race ship, they dont like and they cry blanace. and then ccp brings out updates with alterations to ships which dont really make much diffrence.
i think the most anoying nerf ive seen is when they nerfed carrier cargo holds, it was basically a strangle hold, a carrier pilot could make colosal amounts of ingame credits, mainly because of his ability to pretty muh avoid lawless space carryign vast qauntities of exspencive resources, i should know i used to do this, we are talking over a billion isk per week i used to make simply jumping mined resources back and fourth from 0.0 lol and at the same time i would see cry babies in local channel whineing about looseing their ships because they are jumping blindly into lawless space with no regaurds for what might happen thinking he's completely imune to only discover he's not and their is a gank sqaud waiting for him.
eve is a learning curve, you either learn fast or learn slow, either way you will always die trying. its the way eve is.
not every one likes eve because its too hard to get to grips with, they will never admit that eve has beaten them because all the people that cry about eve are usually the ones that cant play it or fail at it.
eve takes patiences and perseverance, if your expecting to get ahead as soon as you start playing, or expect to get rich straight away, or be able to go out and grind nnpcs and make eve work for you then you might as well not even try the game.
eve is hard! some of the more experienced players will say its not, thats mainly because they have forgot their early days in eve and how they got by. it is a hard game to get to grips with and not every one will be able to play it.
Had to read this just because of how silly the matchup was. As said somewhere above, like Strawbery Jam versus Toe Jam.
I felt it was also more than shallow. I have played both games. Obviously I have more EVE time than STO (I put STO asside after reaching captain with all three federation ship variants...30 days of play and I'm bored). Two years of EVE and I'm still learning, still suprised, and still finding fun.
While EVE characters may only be paper doll heads, that doesn't begin to describe how players indentify with their and other EVE pilots. It's not about the 2-D pilot picture. It's all about the accomplishments! I can tell you who I remember as the best solo Force Recon pilot out there. I can name the industrialist who offers the best supply contracts. Accomplishments and kill board stats make the EVE character live in fame and infamy!
The social game (corporate wars and the economy) description of EVE wasn't even close to doing it justice. What other MMO has a paid economist who publishes quarterly reports on the GUP (gross universal production)? EVE industrial players and some PVP pilots I know watch the EVE economy and make investments closer than Bear-Sterns traders watched sub-prime default swaps on Wallstreet before the crash. Corporations gather pilots from around the globe at all times of the day and night to attack or defend terrirtory. Multi-ship fleet operations happen in "EVE time" without regard to your earthly global time zone.
I am glad the the article was written, but only for the laugh at the silliness of it. Not a good match and far to shallow of a evaluation of either game.
Spreadsheets! Gankers! 20 years needed to catch up! Crappy UI!
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CO in space! No content! Cryptic! Cash Shop! It was cool for the first 2 days, then i ran out of content!
People will always be saying this but when people boil it all down, it's still the game that they've been playing the longest and always come back to. There are few that actually quit the game entirely only to either come back for a short stint or continue to participate on some of the player driven forums. I complain about Eve and it's balances all the time but, just as I mentioned, it's still the game that has the complexity and depth that draws me back every time.
Players are given the choice of a number of initial skills to learn and these choices will ultimately reflect your future experiences.
I will have to correct the writer, this is untrue. It is true that these decisions will shape your beginning experiences but your training is never linear. If you start as a miner, you can decide to train into strait cruiser class combat with time as the only limiter. You may become as specialized as anyone else, no matter your you began. The player attributes, Int/Mem/Perc/Etc, can be re-adjusted every 6 months (in addition to 2 free adjustments when you start a new character).
The new player experience has improved immensely over the last year and I expect it to get even better now that they are adding a new character creation system - which will finally be used when they implement WIS(Walking in stations) and also for DUST514, their new FPS game which will have tie ins with the Eve universe.
In closing, the game itself is epic and will continue to claim the king-of-the hill spot just as others have done in the past - ie. UO etc. It does have it's problems but again, it's a truly epic game.
It lost complete credability the day they started reviewing games and posting articles and news about games which arnt even MMO's !
Ironically its these comical "MMO Vs MMO" Articles that's seen me use mmorpg.com more. And as the guy says, its his opinion he always always states at the begining of his articles and always states that they are for entertainment.
The Dilema, however, is that I cant figure out which is more entertaining the article or the pages and pages of BS comments that follow, lol.
Ya, like many others have said, this was kind of a dumb matchup. I mean, STO appeals to a very different kind of person than EVE. Most of my friends that I tried to get into EVE found themselves bored out of their minds after about 2 days of play, because EVE is just that much of a sandbox. On the other hand, STO is just another linear (as the poster above me said) themepark MMO that lets people know what they need to do at all times.
What would be really awesome, is if you guys did CoX vs. CO, each of them do certain things better than the other and one wouldn't really landslide the other like what happened here.
Ya, like many others have said, this was kind of a dumb matchup. I mean, STO appeals to a very different kind of person than EVE.
I play both games and that's mainly because they are so different, I have been involved in small gang pvp for years because I love tactical team work and the depth of EVE provides is great because its lumped in with the social aspects which fuels player politics and its the players that truly make the EVE universe alive.
STO I play because you log in and do something and log out again, it doesn't necessarily need to be time consuming so if you have time constraints or something else to do you can play a quick game and sometimes on EVE its not like this, hell I even have the two games running at the same time on occasion as I can put as much or as little attention as I want to the STO client. Also no matter how bad people claim STOs content is there is no contest between EVEs boring grind and STOs missions.
Currently playing:
EVE online (Ruining low sec one hotdrop at a time)
Gravity Rush, Dishonoured: The Knife of Dunwall.
(Waiting for) Metro: Last Light, Company of Heroes II.
Hey Adam, how much did the good folks at Eve pay you to do this? I don't support either game, but have been curious about both; your "vs." column is pretty one sided. You should have just named the post, "Why I like Eve better than STO." At least it would have been credible.
Unfortunately in the current climes of both video games and sci-fi fans in general, the majority are fans of Star Wars. Everyone wants to play a Jedi or SIth and swing lightsabers. Go to any Toy's R' Us and you'll see how small (or non existant) the Trek section is (mine was having a clearance sale on all Trek stuff which was pretty much from the movie), while the Star Wars section is HUGE and they constantly come up with crazy things, from all the Star Wars Lego to the super deformed characters, to the masks, to the regular sized figures, to the clone wars stuff, to the new KOTOR stuff... its crazy.
The POINT is... people like the writer have no idea what being a Trek fan is, and at this point Trek fans don't either which is why Enterprise was canceled after season 4.
When I play STO, I enter a universe that I've wanted to be a part of almost my whole life. I've done several missions repeatedly with various characters and it doesn't get old for me. I've maxed ONE character but all my others are not even CLOSE to being max level and I play A LOT.
STO has a ton of content and more is being added every week. I have played both games and the simple fact that the author claims Eve has more PvE content then STO immediately shows this article should never have been written, period.
This isn't a good comparison at all, and I didn't bother reading this. You don't compare some big commercial release of a game (STO) to an established online game (EVE). STO is going to be so "dumbed down" compared to EVE. Most mmo players would know that. This review needs to go somewhere else like Amazon.com or something. XD
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Not true. Comparing it to Champions Online would be a pretty even match-up.
There should be more 'funny' features like this. Alganon vs WoW. Allods vs Evony. Shit like that
Yep, they didn't and it's fine, they don't have to.
Just because you feel like the game should be the way you want it makes no obligation nor makes your claim right.
About a month before STO was released MMORPG.com released a MASSIVE 3 part pre-view regarding STO, basically explaining in intricate terms how god damn awfull it was and that, basically, noone should buy it.
STO was released, everyone bought it.. (except for a few smart cookies) and..well, this is MMORPG.com's way of saying "I really did tell you so!"
I'm sorry Adam, you should really try harder on these things. First off, the points system has got to go since I don't believe you should be the judge of how much weight one category carries over another for each of the games, leave it up to the players to decide that, why not a straight 1 point for winning a category?
Speaking of categories, Group and Solo experience combined under one category? I know for sure in EVE these are reflected very differently on so many different levels due to the sandbox nature of the game. Also, I don't see why End-game and PvP were combined into one either, you do know in EVE these are not synonymous and the End-game in EVE is kind of the whole game in EVE.
There isn't a straight line of progression, the game is more horizontal than vertical if that makes sense (EVE players should understand where I'm coming from).
i strongly urge the staff at mmorpg to start playing these games they plan to put posts up for before they start comparrison threads. reason i say this is because there is no comparrison to which game is better. eve online absolutely blows sto out of the water in every single aspect every single time. while cryptic hold te reigns and rights to startrek online that game will never be worthy.
i played it form beta completed on my headstart weekend played it for a further 2 months then canceled all subs, the game is a rushed farce, there is absolutley only one mentality behind the creation of sto and it wasnt to give its fans something to interact with. it was a money sink for cryptic and nothing more.
it was the most anticipated game of 2009. and probably the worst themed title ever released. they have put litteraly no effort or thought into te game and if i was to assume something it would be that the developers had very little knowledge of startrek and online role playign games.
te best game ive played of cryptics is city of heroes city of villains, and thats because its cheap and cheesey as you would expect it to be for the title. oh and i love my red spandex.
but yea eve is the best game ive played in the last 10 years, i have not been able to find any oter game to match its depth feel and playability. its truely epic on all levels. ive played wow, lord of the rings starwars galaxies, voyage century, and heaps of other mmorpg titles. the list is massive. and eve is at the very top.
its about time developers started tryign to break the boundries rather than surfing the the fine line that all games are developed around. games today are empty and unevolving with limited content, its obsurd to think that almost all mmorpg's have endings now. end game content, what is end game content doing in a game world thats supposed to be never ending ??
end game content is for games like republic commando, or, kotor. not mmo's. starwars galaxies is another good title, not because its starwars because of the way it plays and the content it offers and the fredom players have to make their own way in the game, i think its brilliant tat players can actually create their very own cities and economies in the cities. its just ingenious game play. and it allows for further indulgence of the game rather than just being tied into the end game raids.
take wow and lord of the rings for instance, what do you do exactly at te end other than pvp untill your so bored you start looking for anomolies between your toes, the crafting is retardedly pathetic and empty with no value in the game, people dont want to make a game play experience out of crafting in these two games because 1 the resources are more exspencive than the end product and 2 the end product is no where as good as te items you aquire from raids and quests.
they look lovely play smoothly and have epic story lines, but they all bloody end and then you stop playing, its rteally that simple. eve doesnt end, and neither does starwars galaxies, their is always somethign to keep you occupied in these too titles. eve is all about te player run corporations and alliance with its community diplomacy and polotics wich is again ingenious, and swg is al about its complex deep crafting which used to be even more brilliant before they removed decay from the materials.
all games today are lacking what eve and swg provide in abundance and its these things tat prevent modern games from being great games.
wow isnt great because its a great game, wow is great because it has lots of players that have been sucked in by its collosal advertiseing campaigns.
please excuse my grammer, my keyboard is on the way out and its not working how it sould be.
wen i play an online game i dont play it to read a book, i play it to experience something a little diffrent from cleaning my ouse and going to work and watching tv, tat comes in the form of playing a role in a fantasy world and being who the hell i want to be but with out all the red tape and beurocratic rules and regulations preventing my progress.
mmorpg's should be free realm they hould be massive, tey should be sandbox, and they should be content filled and empower the player. unfortunately they do not.
so yea eve utterly destroys sto.
I have played Eve since 2003 and never really got into any other MMO, but even a massive ccp fanboi like me thinks some of the scores are ridiculous here. Eve getting 9/10 for player character ? Umad? 9/10 for game universe? Its big but its also empty. Even end game/pvp which is eve's no.1 strength has some serious flaws and is only as good as it is because of meaningful loss which any other game developer could implement if they had the balls. STO must be trully awful if it compares badly to eve in every feild.
I agree that EvE should win over STO (hard not to) but EvE getting 9 or 10 score on every category, even ones where it's notoriously bad ? Come on.
V ery well said. For myself MMORPG has just lost it's place as my homepage. This article and the 'quality' it shows was a joke. The simple fact is the retraction by MMORPG as they backpedal away from this shows if the article is not libel then it is merely an opinion and I don't come here to read mere opinion pieces that belong in an EVE fanboi forum.
I don't come here to watch a petulant writer, and I use the term looslely after viewing his blog here, who's ability to put forward their ideas in a manner that is far more deserving of a 'troll post' be given a soapbox to vent. SB Ford should be ashamed that he even passed such a thing for 'publication'.
Very, very poor form MMORPG, things have been going down hill for a very long time but it appears your editorial body has finally hit rock bottom. After many years it appears our relationship is over. I would however be interested to know where exactly Adam Tingle fits into your 'vision' TM, as EQ would've put it. You say he's not a games reviewer but a regular contributor. Well in that case if this is the 'quality' you seek I'll be taking my reading on MMO's to a more reputable website and be encouraging all of my friends to do the same.
I'd wish you good luck but to be honest if this is the drivel you want to serve up then I'm quite happy to simply head out now I've shared my opinion...
eve doesnt have bad points, but it does generate oppinions from diffrent types of gamers, for isntance most people that dont like simply dont like it because of the learning curve it puts you through. eve is not a agme for the hack and slash players. it takes patiences and an afinity to learn new understandings, and the ability to judge charecter of other people.
you log into eve and you have a spaceship. at the start you think hmm ok what next, so liek any good game player starting anew in a new game you tinker through the tutorials. eve tutorials are not exactly light reading, there is a vast array of learning in eve tutorials.
the tutorials will not prepair you for eve, they simply show you how all the ui works and how to use your cargo guns and weapons. how to dock and use jump gates.
it has absolutely nothing about player mentality methods of play styles of play, where to start in regaurds to skills. all this has to be aquired by your own initiative, you have to actually talk to people to get any where worth going in eve. eve is not an easy game to play. you cannot simply pick it up and be instantly good at it in a few days. infact you wont experience the true game of eve untill you have taken the plunge an flung youir selves into the depth of 0.0 space and player polotics alliances coalitions and diplomacy, eve is about making close friends and understanding peoples attitudes and the way they may think. every one is diffrent and every situation in eve is possibly a volotile one, mainly because the fear of loss. people in eve fear to loose their ship it costs a fortune to replace and it takes so long to rtain the skills to use said ships. their is an epic sence of achievment once you reach one of your many many goals.
eve isnt about grinding your way to max level, there isnt a max level, when you think your getting ahead they release whole new content and a whole bag load of new skills to go with it, eve doesnt have end game content eve is a living breathing game world fueld by interaction between many players. and they are all crammed into one server.
eve is by no means empty. it has over 6000 solar systems and anything between 16000 and 50000 players online at any one time in the whole server one server, there is probably a good 300k accounts maybe more. in comparrison to other games its client base is tiny, but the population of the server is vast much vaster than any other game.
ive never felt alone in eve, i wish i would, as you jump through that star gate in a freighter, you sure as hell hope no one is waiting on the other side to steel your cargo and destroy your ship or even ransom you.
there is no right or wrong way to play eve, people can harrass you prey on you beat on you use you abuse you and corrupt you. not many people can stomache these kinds of behaviors, eve is not for the feint of heart.
in eve you should be aiming to make friends lots of friends find a good aulity corp that is going somewhere that has had success and wants further success, eve is about team work and you will find it very difficult without friends.
ive been playing for the past 5 years, and its one hell of a harsh game. i love it. survival of the fittest. every one at the start is meer prey, your just some one elses lunch waiting to be consumed. it will happen probably 2-3 times each week, you will feel like your getting no where and that playing th egame has no point. you will struggle to see the bigger picture. every eve player goes through this. the game is hard as hell tto get a foothold in, but once you find your feet and finally start to understand how eve works and how the people in eve think the game becomes much much much easier.
the rewards when working with dedicated team players in eve is greater than that of any game. well any that ive ever played thats for sure.
eve however comes with its down sides too, sure you canplay solo, but god damn its boreing and tedious and uneventful. people will still prey on you, you are vulnerable. eve also a lag issue dureing huge fleet battles. im not talking 50 -60 players battleing it out, im talking 500-1000 players battling it out, these are the sizes of the battles you can expect to be able to take part in. though they are laggy as hell, on my pc some times i have to wait a full 3 minutes for the battle to render before i can actually take part, some times you dont live that long and dont get to see the battle any way, this has to be eves biggest flaw at present.
the crafting is fantastic and the resource system is great too. you can conquer territory and lay claim to to entire regions of space and then you have to try and defend them and keep them. you set your own rules and laws for your corp/alliance. and police your own space lanes. you can be a businessman banker pirate military commander or a lone wolf its up to you, their are no mechanics as such that protect you from being ganked, the game is trying to simulate a type of realism that you would expect if you lived in space. the game is awesome. but its not for every one.
the game also has its fair share of clowns too, the balance possy, they fly one type of ship and they get owned by another race ship, they dont like and they cry blanace. and then ccp brings out updates with alterations to ships which dont really make much diffrence.
i think the most anoying nerf ive seen is when they nerfed carrier cargo holds, it was basically a strangle hold, a carrier pilot could make colosal amounts of ingame credits, mainly because of his ability to pretty muh avoid lawless space carryign vast qauntities of exspencive resources, i should know i used to do this, we are talking over a billion isk per week i used to make simply jumping mined resources back and fourth from 0.0 lol and at the same time i would see cry babies in local channel whineing about looseing their ships because they are jumping blindly into lawless space with no regaurds for what might happen thinking he's completely imune to only discover he's not and their is a gank sqaud waiting for him.
eve is a learning curve, you either learn fast or learn slow, either way you will always die trying. its the way eve is.
not every one likes eve because its too hard to get to grips with, they will never admit that eve has beaten them because all the people that cry about eve are usually the ones that cant play it or fail at it.
eve takes patiences and perseverance, if your expecting to get ahead as soon as you start playing, or expect to get rich straight away, or be able to go out and grind nnpcs and make eve work for you then you might as well not even try the game.
eve is hard! some of the more experienced players will say its not, thats mainly because they have forgot their early days in eve and how they got by. it is a hard game to get to grips with and not every one will be able to play it.
Had to read this just because of how silly the matchup was. As said somewhere above, like Strawbery Jam versus Toe Jam.
I felt it was also more than shallow. I have played both games. Obviously I have more EVE time than STO (I put STO asside after reaching captain with all three federation ship variants...30 days of play and I'm bored). Two years of EVE and I'm still learning, still suprised, and still finding fun.
While EVE characters may only be paper doll heads, that doesn't begin to describe how players indentify with their and other EVE pilots. It's not about the 2-D pilot picture. It's all about the accomplishments! I can tell you who I remember as the best solo Force Recon pilot out there. I can name the industrialist who offers the best supply contracts. Accomplishments and kill board stats make the EVE character live in fame and infamy!
The social game (corporate wars and the economy) description of EVE wasn't even close to doing it justice. What other MMO has a paid economist who publishes quarterly reports on the GUP (gross universal production)? EVE industrial players and some PVP pilots I know watch the EVE economy and make investments closer than Bear-Sterns traders watched sub-prime default swaps on Wallstreet before the crash. Corporations gather pilots from around the globe at all times of the day and night to attack or defend terrirtory. Multi-ship fleet operations happen in "EVE time" without regard to your earthly global time zone.
I am glad the the article was written, but only for the laugh at the silliness of it. Not a good match and far to shallow of a evaluation of either game.
People will always be saying this but when people boil it all down, it's still the game that they've been playing the longest and always come back to. There are few that actually quit the game entirely only to either come back for a short stint or continue to participate on some of the player driven forums. I complain about Eve and it's balances all the time but, just as I mentioned, it's still the game that has the complexity and depth that draws me back every time.
Players are given the choice of a number of initial skills to learn and these choices will ultimately reflect your future experiences.
I will have to correct the writer, this is untrue. It is true that these decisions will shape your beginning experiences but your training is never linear. If you start as a miner, you can decide to train into strait cruiser class combat with time as the only limiter. You may become as specialized as anyone else, no matter your you began. The player attributes, Int/Mem/Perc/Etc, can be re-adjusted every 6 months (in addition to 2 free adjustments when you start a new character).
The new player experience has improved immensely over the last year and I expect it to get even better now that they are adding a new character creation system - which will finally be used when they implement WIS(Walking in stations) and also for DUST514, their new FPS game which will have tie ins with the Eve universe.
In closing, the game itself is epic and will continue to claim the king-of-the hill spot just as others have done in the past - ie. UO etc. It does have it's problems but again, it's a truly epic game.
lol, listen to you all.
Since when has mmorpg.com had any credability?
It lost complete credability the day they started reviewing games and posting articles and news about games which arnt even MMO's !
Ironically its these comical "MMO Vs MMO" Articles that's seen me use mmorpg.com more. And as the guy says, its his opinion he always always states at the begining of his articles and always states that they are for entertainment.
The Dilema, however, is that I cant figure out which is more entertaining the article or the pages and pages of BS comments that follow, lol.
decent review, I would give STO a lot lesser score
I laughed at the 9/10 given to Eve, for Solo/group gameplay...
Basically, 9/10 for boring solo content ? ok.
Also, the comparison is stupid. Sandbox vs theme park ? who wins ? None : they were not really fighting at the beginning.
Ya, like many others have said, this was kind of a dumb matchup. I mean, STO appeals to a very different kind of person than EVE. Most of my friends that I tried to get into EVE found themselves bored out of their minds after about 2 days of play, because EVE is just that much of a sandbox. On the other hand, STO is just another linear (as the poster above me said) themepark MMO that lets people know what they need to do at all times.
What would be really awesome, is if you guys did CoX vs. CO, each of them do certain things better than the other and one wouldn't really landslide the other like what happened here.
How many /facepalm articles in a row is this for Adam Tingle now? 5?
I play both games and that's mainly because they are so different, I have been involved in small gang pvp for years because I love tactical team work and the depth of EVE provides is great because its lumped in with the social aspects which fuels player politics and its the players that truly make the EVE universe alive.
STO I play because you log in and do something and log out again, it doesn't necessarily need to be time consuming so if you have time constraints or something else to do you can play a quick game and sometimes on EVE its not like this, hell I even have the two games running at the same time on occasion as I can put as much or as little attention as I want to the STO client. Also no matter how bad people claim STOs content is there is no contest between EVEs boring grind and STOs missions.
Currently playing:
EVE online (Ruining low sec one hotdrop at a time)
Gravity Rush,
Dishonoured: The Knife of Dunwall.
(Waiting for) Metro: Last Light,
Company of Heroes II.
Hey Adam, how much did the good folks at Eve pay you to do this? I don't support either game, but have been curious about both; your "vs." column is pretty one sided. You should have just named the post, "Why I like Eve better than STO." At least it would have been credible.
Unfortunately in the current climes of both video games and sci-fi fans in general, the majority are fans of Star Wars. Everyone wants to play a Jedi or SIth and swing lightsabers. Go to any Toy's R' Us and you'll see how small (or non existant) the Trek section is (mine was having a clearance sale on all Trek stuff which was pretty much from the movie), while the Star Wars section is HUGE and they constantly come up with crazy things, from all the Star Wars Lego to the super deformed characters, to the masks, to the regular sized figures, to the clone wars stuff, to the new KOTOR stuff... its crazy.
The POINT is... people like the writer have no idea what being a Trek fan is, and at this point Trek fans don't either which is why Enterprise was canceled after season 4.
When I play STO, I enter a universe that I've wanted to be a part of almost my whole life. I've done several missions repeatedly with various characters and it doesn't get old for me. I've maxed ONE character but all my others are not even CLOSE to being max level and I play A LOT.
STO has a ton of content and more is being added every week. I have played both games and the simple fact that the author claims Eve has more PvE content then STO immediately shows this article should never have been written, period.
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This isn't a good comparison at all, and I didn't bother reading this. You don't compare some big commercial release of a game (STO) to an established online game (EVE). STO is going to be so "dumbed down" compared to EVE. Most mmo players would know that. This review needs to go somewhere else like Amazon.com or something. XD