Originally posted by stux No I like the game but I am not so blind as to not realize it has its problems. Could it use more people? Yes and that isn't going to happen in the state it is. Does gear, grind (toons skills), PC and internet connection matter? YES Does skill come into play? YES but it doesn't determine the winner most of the time for newer to mid level players fighting someone with better gear and toon's skills then you need to factor fps and ping. Not Realizing the above and telling newer players the grind isn't that bad, the population couldn't use more people it is great, your PC and internet connection doesn't matter is a flat out lie. Telling a lie to get new players isn't going to bring anyone in for more then a few week and give the game a worse name then it already has.
Calling the the "toon skills" = "grind" shows your mindset. You know that MMORPG's core is "toon skills" ? You know that every MMORPG uses "toon skills" almost exclusively to determine combat output ? (through gaining xp,raising skills and atributs or level) You know that Darkfall has gone very far into allowing twitch skills to decide the pvp.
Darkfall could switch off the fps and ping issues by disabling real time combat and just do some number crunching and some dice rolls. Haters like you don't appreciate what DF accomplishes.
Who doesn't say DF hasn't problems but the core functions. They need to add to this core and create more to play with, what they do already.
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No I like the game but I am not so blind as to not realize it has its problems.
Could it use more people? Yes and that isn't going to happen in the state it is.
Does gear, grind (toons skills), PC and internet connection matter? YES
Does skill come into play? YES but it doesn't determine the winner most of the time for newer to mid level players fighting someone with better gear and toon's skills then you need to factor fps and ping.
Not Realizing the above and telling newer players the grind isn't that bad, the population couldn't use more people it is great, your PC and internet connection doesn't matter is a flat out lie.
Telling a lie to get new players isn't going to bring anyone in for more then a few week and give the game a worse name then it already has.
Calling the the "toon skills" = "grind" shows your mindset. You know that MMORPG's core is "toon skills" ? You know that every MMORPG uses "toon skills" almost exclusively to determine combat output ? (through gaining xp,raising skills and atributs or level)
You know that Darkfall has gone very far into allowing twitch skills to decide the pvp.
Darkfall could switch off the fps and ping issues by disabling real time combat and just do some number crunching and some dice rolls. Haters like you don't appreciate what DF accomplishes.
Who doesn't say DF hasn't problems but the core functions. They need to add to this core and create more to play with, what they do already.
Do you not speak english? Can you not read? I suggest read or learn the english language then we can finish the conversation.
It has gone some but not much further then the non twiched skilled games that have good combos and a ton more special skills that need to be used in a logical fashion. In the end Darkfall does have great gameplay mechanics but it is still a MMO and toon/gear/ping/fps matter more then your twitch skill.
I have dueled a TON in this game and i am equal or better then most of the people I duel that are around the same toon's skills with equal ping and fps. When I duel maxed out toons the shit isn't even close. Why? The extra 50HP, 75-100 stam, 100ish mana, better gear, maxed out damage spells, Much higher INT, DEX, Quickness, strength all add up to higher damage output, Archamge and all the 75+ INT req skill, high spell level for WoF, eye rot(don't have this and it is prob one of the best spells in the game IMO), confusion, and thier heals/transfer work a shit ton better.
When I duel players with less toon's skill I can kill them naked with an R40's set and a BB with no enchantments without even trying and wind up with almost full health. I don't no believe this is because I have such mad skills and am the best gamer on the planet like all of you ego maniacs. IT IS BECAUSE YOUR TOON'S SKILLS MATTER.
The game has a GREAT gameplay system akin to a FPS BUT IT IS A MMO with an ASIAN grinder theme and the SHIT TON of grind that goes with it. So, when it comes to PVP there is a widening gap between new players and existing ones that is near impossoble to breach unless you are fooling yourself, full of shit, MACRO A LOT or Cheat.
But I have never contested that the game is ground breaking when it comes to gameplay in an MMO. I am just saying it is better then some other MMOs from a PVP competitiveness but still pretty damn bad compared to a FPS becuase the grind is SO bad for players skill and gear. So, to say twich skill doesn't matter isn't true but to say it matters a ton isn't true either.
No I like the game but I am not so blind as to not realize it has its problems.
Could it use more people? Yes and that isn't going to happen in the state it is.
Does gear, grind (toons skills), PC and internet connection matter? YES
Does skill come into play? YES but it doesn't determine the winner most of the time for newer to mid level players fighting someone with better gear and toon's skills then you need to factor fps and ping.
Not Realizing the above and telling newer players the grind isn't that bad, the population couldn't use more people it is great, your PC and internet connection doesn't matter is a flat out lie.
Telling a lie to get new players isn't going to bring anyone in for more then a few week and give the game a worse name then it already has.
Calling the the "toon skills" = "grind" shows your mindset. You know that MMORPG's core is "toon skills" ? You know that every MMORPG uses "toon skills" almost exclusively to determine combat output ? (through gaining xp,raising skills and atributs or level)
You know that Darkfall has gone very far into allowing twitch skills to decide the pvp.
Darkfall could switch off the fps and ping issues by disabling real time combat and just do some number crunching and some dice rolls. Haters like you don't appreciate what DF accomplishes.
Who doesn't say DF hasn't problems but the core functions. They need to add to this core and create more to play with, what they do already.
Do you not speak english? Can you not read? I suggest read or learn the english language then we can finish the conversation.
It has gone some but not much further then the non twiched skilled games that have good combos and a ton more special skills that need to be used in a logical fashion.
I have dueled a TON in this game and i am equal or better then most of the people I duel that are around the same toon's skills with equal ping and fps. When I duel maxed out toons the shit isn't even close. Why? The extra 50HP, 75-100 stam, 100ish mana, better gear, maxed out damage spells, Much higher INT, DEX, Quickness, strength all add up to higher damage output, Archamge and all the 75+ INT req skill, high spell level for WoF, eye rot(don't have this and it is prob one of the best spells in the game IMO), confusion, and thier heals/transfer work a shit ton better.
When I duel players with less toon's skill I can kill them naked with an R40's set and a BB with no enchantments without even trying and wind up with almost full health. I don't no believe this is because I have such mad skills and am the best gamer on the planet like all of you ego maniacs. IT IS BECAUSE YOUR TOON'S SKILLS MATTER.
The game has a GREAT gameplay system akin to a FPS BUT IT IS A MMO with an ASIAN grinder theme and the SHIT TON of grind that goes with it. So, when it comes to PVP there is a widening gap between new players and existing ones that is near impossoble to breach unless you are fooling yourself, full of shit, MACRO A LOT or Cheat.
But I have never contested that the game is ground breaking when it comes to gameplay in an MMO. I am just saying it is better then some other MMOs from a PVP competitiveness but still pretty damn bad compared to a FPS becuase the grind is SO bad for players skill and gear. So, to say twich skill doesn't matter isn't true but to say it matters a ton isn't true either.
First of all you need to accept that the game is not for you. Play a FPS game. Your whole post is pointing in that direction.
I mean you seemingly understand it but somehow don't accept it.
"IT IS BECAUSE YOUR TOON'S SKILLS MATTER." (a quote from yours)
Like it should for an MMORPG and should always be of bigger influnce then twitch skill if it don't want to degrade to FPS. Of course there is gap. My skill progression gets saved over my gaming sessions Like its should. of course there is a gap if someone doesnt have collected same skills then me. Accept it. let it go. Darkfall is a MMORPG. Twicth skill will never determine combat outcome over your button mashing hand to eye coordination skills.
Go play COD, BF or some shooter. Arent alst some action games like street fighetr ideally also for that ?
You need to accept it before your post about DF "core is broke" or some BS. It is not the game you wanted t to be you want something different and everythiong points to FPS according to your post.
On the hand it is almost my dream game. The core is there, It just needs more sand.
I played WWIIOnline. A great game, it requires skill it is true and successfully simulatessome units fo WWII. You fly planes, you drive jeeps and tanks. Its a great FPS -and of course it suffers from ping issues and FPS isuues that has to be sacrificed for real time combat style- but i missed some of the things i seek and cause of them i play MMORPG's. One is skill progression, i want attributes and skill progress to be saved for my next gaming session and i want to create stuff. because of that i don't try to convince people WWIIonline "has problems in its core" ...i accepted this was not the game i was wanting to play even tho its a great FPS.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Not all MMO's have grind this bad. Not all MMO's are Asian grinders with nothing more do then grind.
Yeah, there is pvp but unless you enjoy lossing more often then not or are a really high end toon OR have a some that play with you a ton you will loose very often. So, taking away pvp for those people that enjoying winning a fair amount and you have nothing more then GRIND. There really isn't anything else to the game.
If there were more low to mid level players to enjoy the game with and have competitive pvp without a ton of maxed toons running around it might not be that bad. But as is there is nothing that is ever going to get new people to play the game and as anyone know things that don't grow tend to shrink.
I enjoy MMO's and PVP. I have done it in other games but there was more to do then just grind inbetween. Asheron's Call had a great system for questing / dungeon / great loot tables for variety of items / montly content updates and yes there was FFA pvp server that pulled it all off well. There was more to do then just grind mobs for skill gain and same old items (R50 or 60 weapon, same wands, same enchants, yadda yadda).
This game has to decide does it want to be a MMO - if so it needs content. If not it needs less grind to make the pvp more enjoyable out of the box. If an MMO it needs content and lots of it and regular updates with good quests and real dungeon. All those dungeons they added were to try and add more pvp hot spot and/or a paly to further grind on the same mobs. If you compare the questing, dungeons, gear in this game to about any other MMO on the market it isn't comparable. The gears sets are more comparable to a FPS imo then a MMO.
You do realize the process of grinding in DarkFall is amazing ... You feel a sense of achivement, you stack your bank with ore, level your skills adn with every time you log in you become better, this feeling only comes at MAX level in other mmos, dark fall is a living , breathing world where shits that "linear" gets burries under thousands of ALFAR corpses.
The "grind" has been several times adressed by the devs. Hence this weeks patch they announced another measurent to make it easier to catch up though a offline skill progression. Prestige classes are announced for next expansion and even existing specs will receive further adjeustments to make it easier to compete.
I don't see a point still debating the "grind" with such annoucnments and that patches coming.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
You do realize the process of grinding in DarkFall is amazing ... You feel a sense of achivement, you stack your bank with ore, level your skills adn with every time you log in you become better, this feeling only comes at MAX level in other mmos, dark fall is a living , breathing world where shits that "linear" gets burries under thousands of ALFAR corpses.
That only last for maybe the first 4 months. Then I realized the mobs pretty weak and there really isn't any place of any real interest in the game. There are a ton of things that looks intersting in the game but in reality when you go check them out everything is pretty damn bland. There really isn't any place in game I can say I have went where I was like WOW that wasn't basically the same crap I have seen every place else in the game with a slighly different twist and a few different mobs. Yes, there are a few cool mobs in the game and the new idea of people controlled mobs raiding cities is cool there just isn't enough by far compared to other games.
The main focus is always pvp of this game. The pve gets boring really fast compared to other good MMO's out there. To get to the reasonable pvp there is a mountain of boring grind.
The "grind" has been several times adressed by the devs. Hence this weeks patch they announced another measurent to make it easier to catch up though a offline skill progression. Prestige classes are announced for next expansion and even existing specs will receive further adjeustments to make it easier to compete.
I don't see a point still debating the "grind" with such annoucnments and that patches coming.
Remind me again, How long have "Presige Classes" been talked about? The entire year I have played and I assume longer.
And what real information has been released about them? nothing concrete I have ever read.
There really isn't any place in game I can say I have went where I was like WOW that wasn't basically the same crap I have seen every place else in the game with a slighly different twist and a few different mobs.
How is that different from any other MMO?
What MMO has PVE that is varied and interesting compared to DFO? They're all mindnumbing, IMHO.
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Calling the the "toon skills" = "grind" shows your mindset. You know that MMORPG's core is "toon skills" ? You know that every MMORPG uses "toon skills" almost exclusively to determine combat output ? (through gaining xp,raising skills and atributs or level)
You know that Darkfall has gone very far into allowing twitch skills to decide the pvp.
Darkfall could switch off the fps and ping issues by disabling real time combat and just do some number crunching and some dice rolls. Haters like you don't appreciate what DF accomplishes.
Who doesn't say DF hasn't problems but the core functions. They need to add to this core and create more to play with, what they do already.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Do you not speak english? Can you not read? I suggest read or learn the english language then we can finish the conversation.
It has gone some but not much further then the non twiched skilled games that have good combos and a ton more special skills that need to be used in a logical fashion. In the end Darkfall does have great gameplay mechanics but it is still a MMO and toon/gear/ping/fps matter more then your twitch skill.
I have dueled a TON in this game and i am equal or better then most of the people I duel that are around the same toon's skills with equal ping and fps. When I duel maxed out toons the shit isn't even close. Why? The extra 50HP, 75-100 stam, 100ish mana, better gear, maxed out damage spells, Much higher INT, DEX, Quickness, strength all add up to higher damage output, Archamge and all the 75+ INT req skill, high spell level for WoF, eye rot(don't have this and it is prob one of the best spells in the game IMO), confusion, and thier heals/transfer work a shit ton better.
When I duel players with less toon's skill I can kill them naked with an R40's set and a BB with no enchantments without even trying and wind up with almost full health. I don't no believe this is because I have such mad skills and am the best gamer on the planet like all of you ego maniacs. IT IS BECAUSE YOUR TOON'S SKILLS MATTER.
The game has a GREAT gameplay system akin to a FPS BUT IT IS A MMO with an ASIAN grinder theme and the SHIT TON of grind that goes with it. So, when it comes to PVP there is a widening gap between new players and existing ones that is near impossoble to breach unless you are fooling yourself, full of shit, MACRO A LOT or Cheat.
But I have never contested that the game is ground breaking when it comes to gameplay in an MMO. I am just saying it is better then some other MMOs from a PVP competitiveness but still pretty damn bad compared to a FPS becuase the grind is SO bad for players skill and gear. So, to say twich skill doesn't matter isn't true but to say it matters a ton isn't true either.
First of all you need to accept that the game is not for you. Play a FPS game. Your whole post is pointing in that direction.
I mean you seemingly understand it but somehow don't accept it.
"IT IS BECAUSE YOUR TOON'S SKILLS MATTER." (a quote from yours)
Like it should for an MMORPG and should always be of bigger influnce then twitch skill if it don't want to degrade to FPS. Of course there is gap. My skill progression gets saved over my gaming sessions Like its should. of course there is a gap if someone doesnt have collected same skills then me. Accept it. let it go. Darkfall is a MMORPG. Twicth skill will never determine combat outcome over your button mashing hand to eye coordination skills.
Go play COD, BF or some shooter. Arent alst some action games like street fighetr ideally also for that ?
You need to accept it before your post about DF "core is broke" or some BS. It is not the game you wanted t to be you want something different and everythiong points to FPS according to your post.
On the hand it is almost my dream game. The core is there, It just needs more sand.
I played WWIIOnline. A great game, it requires skill it is true and successfully simulatessome units fo WWII. You fly planes, you drive jeeps and tanks. Its a great FPS -and of course it suffers from ping issues and FPS isuues that has to be sacrificed for real time combat style- but i missed some of the things i seek and cause of them i play MMORPG's. One is skill progression, i want attributes and skill progress to be saved for my next gaming session and i want to create stuff. because of that i don't try to convince people WWIIonline "has problems in its core" ...i accepted this was not the game i was wanting to play even tho its a great FPS.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Not all MMO's have grind this bad. Not all MMO's are Asian grinders with nothing more do then grind.
Yeah, there is pvp but unless you enjoy lossing more often then not or are a really high end toon OR have a some that play with you a ton you will loose very often. So, taking away pvp for those people that enjoying winning a fair amount and you have nothing more then GRIND. There really isn't anything else to the game.
If there were more low to mid level players to enjoy the game with and have competitive pvp without a ton of maxed toons running around it might not be that bad. But as is there is nothing that is ever going to get new people to play the game and as anyone know things that don't grow tend to shrink.
I enjoy MMO's and PVP. I have done it in other games but there was more to do then just grind inbetween. Asheron's Call had a great system for questing / dungeon / great loot tables for variety of items / montly content updates and yes there was FFA pvp server that pulled it all off well. There was more to do then just grind mobs for skill gain and same old items (R50 or 60 weapon, same wands, same enchants, yadda yadda).
This game has to decide does it want to be a MMO - if so it needs content. If not it needs less grind to make the pvp more enjoyable out of the box. If an MMO it needs content and lots of it and regular updates with good quests and real dungeon. All those dungeons they added were to try and add more pvp hot spot and/or a paly to further grind on the same mobs. If you compare the questing, dungeons, gear in this game to about any other MMO on the market it isn't comparable. The gears sets are more comparable to a FPS imo then a MMO.
You do realize the process of grinding in DarkFall is amazing ... You feel a sense of achivement, you stack your bank with ore, level your skills adn with every time you log in you become better, this feeling only comes at MAX level in other mmos, dark fall is a living , breathing world where shits that "linear" gets burries under thousands of ALFAR corpses.
The "grind" has been several times adressed by the devs. Hence this weeks patch they announced another measurent to make it easier to catch up though a offline skill progression. Prestige classes are announced for next expansion and even existing specs will receive further adjeustments to make it easier to compete.
I don't see a point still debating the "grind" with such annoucnments and that patches coming.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
That only last for maybe the first 4 months. Then I realized the mobs pretty weak and there really isn't any place of any real interest in the game. There are a ton of things that looks intersting in the game but in reality when you go check them out everything is pretty damn bland. There really isn't any place in game I can say I have went where I was like WOW that wasn't basically the same crap I have seen every place else in the game with a slighly different twist and a few different mobs. Yes, there are a few cool mobs in the game and the new idea of people controlled mobs raiding cities is cool there just isn't enough by far compared to other games.
The main focus is always pvp of this game. The pve gets boring really fast compared to other good MMO's out there. To get to the reasonable pvp there is a mountain of boring grind.
Remind me again, How long have "Presige Classes" been talked about? The entire year I have played and I assume longer.
And what real information has been released about them? nothing concrete I have ever read.
How is that different from any other MMO?
What MMO has PVE that is varied and interesting compared to DFO? They're all mindnumbing, IMHO.
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