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Do you think Bioware&EA are upset about all this negativity?

EA has made 300 million dollar investment in this game. They hired one of the best studios in gaming. And have one of the best settings in popular culture.

Yet the negativity that is starting to surround this game (not only on this site) grows every day.

 

Now I am not sure about EA. But if I was in their shoes I would slowly start to panic.

 

The game is probably finished by now (and is only tested and fine tuned at this moment) Yet its clear that they have nothing good to show.

Every new video (like the latest one of imperial agent) looks worse than previous , and only puts more fuel to the fire.

I think they clearly dont have nothing better to show too.

And If they do have something better to show. What are they waiting for ?

For game rep to crash and burn so it would rise from ashes like a phoenix ? ( <- that is irony)

 

There is similarity here with APB. Great ideas , great budget , skillful company. But somewhere between idea and execution things got really wrong and end result is simply flawed.

 

So are EA and Bioware in panic mode right now ?



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  • FibsdkFibsdk Member Posts: 1,112

    Originally posted by Lobotomist                                                                                                                                        So are EA and Bioware in panic mode right now ?

     

    Nope. Forum posters doesn't represent the majority of potential buyers. They never have and never will

     

    They are most likely confident the game will speak for itself once released.

  • alakramalakram Member UncommonPosts: 2,301

    Originally posted by Fibsdk

    Originally posted by Lobotomist                                                                                                                                                        So are EA and Bioware in panic mode right now ?

     

    Nope. Forum posters doesn't represent the majority of potential buyers. They never have and never will

     

    They are most likely confident the game will speak for itself once released.

    Yeah, what he said.



  • SaydienSaydien Member Posts: 266


    Originally posted by alakram

    Originally posted by Fibsdk

    Originally posted by Lobotomist                                                                                                                                                        So are EA and Bioware in panic mode right now ?
     
    Nope. Forum posters doesn't represent the majority of potential buyers. They never have and never will
     
    They are most likely confident the game will speak for itself once released.


    Yeah, what he said.

    What they said.

  • KabaalKabaal Member UncommonPosts: 3,042

    If the coffers don't fill with sales at launch they'll panic, other than that i doubt they care about any forum negativity.

     

    The game cuold be terrible but as the names Star Wars and Bioware are tied to it it will sell a crap load regardless.

  • nachofootnachofoot Member UncommonPosts: 122

    I would be in panic mode.  The Star Wars movies are over and the nostalgia is just about faded.  Marketing has pushed all the items they can into stores and on tv.  Parents and children alike are just about sick of everything jedi.

     

    Cliffnotes:  This game better be damn good and come with a trial.  The "Star Wars" name no longer means "buy then try."

  • MMO.MaverickMMO.Maverick Member CommonPosts: 7,619

    Originally posted by Lobotomist

    EA has made 300 million dollar investment in this game.

    300 million dollars is highly unrealistic since it's only from one not so dependable source; so I propose to round it up to 500 million dollars and use that number, just for the fun of it.

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  • choujiofkonochoujiofkono Member Posts: 852

    Originally posted by Lobotomist

    Yet the negativity that is starting to surround this game (not only on this site) grows every day.

    The game is probably finished by now (and is only tested and fine tuned at this moment) Yet its clear that they have nothing good to show.

    Every new video (like the latest one of imperial agent) looks worse than previous , and only puts more fuel to the fire.

    I think they clearly dont have nothing better to show too.

    There is similarity here with APB. Great ideas , great budget , skillful company. But somewhere between idea and execution things got really wrong and end result is simply flawed.

        >>>>>  I think they have shown a lot of good stuff and are most definitely holding back a lot more.  I really don't know what videos you are watching but they must be different than the ones I watch. 

        >>>>> The rest of what you say is just...

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  • ProfRedProfRed Member UncommonPosts: 3,495

    If anything it is probably good to lower expectations a little.  Like others have said Star Wars + Bioware will make so many people buy it without so much as reading a preview or review that initial sales should do well enough.  The question is how long it will retain.  Even if it makes all of it's money back at launch if it isn't a good game it will lose so many subs so fast and EA cuts ties pretty quick.

    Like you said though the videos just look horrible.  Most design decisions go against what I would like and even though I love Star Wars and Bioware in general and at one point I was a shoe in preorder I now barely even follow the game.  I doubt I will play unless I hear some great reviews.

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,938

    Originally posted by Lobotomist

    EA has made 300 million dollar investment in this game. They hired one of the best studios in gaming. And have one of the best settings in popular culture.

    So are EA and Bioware in panic mode right now ?

     Not even close.

    First of all, that 300 million dollar investment thing may or may not be true. Sorry but I don't jump on every word an anonymous blogger decides to post. Since they are a publicly traded company that info will come out soon enough, even if it's more!

    Secondly, I always discount the "gamer" in something like this. I especially discount forum goers.

    This game will sell a lot. Wasn't "The force unleased" an ok game yet sold many copies?

    The negativity around this game is based on EA/Bioware not showing info. Players are pulling the "I want it noooooowwwww" card and being petulant because they can't have it. Like the poster who felt that crafting had to be show "now". My query was "why". To make one excited about crafting over a year before launch. Ridiculous.

    If the game ends up to be horrible it will hang itself at the appropriate time.

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,938

    Originally posted by nachofoot

    I would be in panic mode.  The Star Wars movies are over and the nostalgia is just about faded.  Marketing has pushed all the items they can into stores and on tv.  Parents and children alike are just about sick of everything jedi.

     

    Cliffnotes:  This game better be damn good and come with a trial.  The "Star Wars" name no longer means "buy then try."

     But you forget there's still that clone wars show. Saw a kid with a halloween costume for that main character.

    And one never knows if they are developing a show or movie that they plan to release when the game does. Aren't the original movies being released in 3D over the next few years.

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  • ThaneThane Member EpicPosts: 3,534

    whoever thinks this game is about done, and whoever thinks everything we saw sucks... should go and play something else.

    neitther bioware nor EA will panic coz some random on the internet doesn't like their game.

     

    especially not if this someone thinks the "game is about done"... sorry, but check your facts about mmos again and start another post.

     

     

    nothing to see here, move along.

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  • XthosXthos Member UncommonPosts: 2,740

    Panic?  No.

     

    Pressure?  Hell yes.

     

    300 million or not, I guarantee the dollar amount is huge, and just having Star Wars tagged onto your game comes with added pressure, verse an unknown 'unique' title.

     

    I look forward to this game being good, I look forward to every game being good, it means that if I dislike what I am playing (as I am currently not playing anything and waiting on games), I have something else to jump into.

     

    I am very wary of this game though, not that it wont be good for what it is, but I am not sure if what it will be is something that I want out of a MMORPG.  The story focus worries me, but I am not detered from giving it a chance.

     

    So yeah, theirs pressure, but only way their would be panic, is if due to money, they force people to release early, then that would be a panic and a mistake imo....But I doubt that is going to happen.   I am looking forward to Rift, GW2 and SWtOR, I think SWoTR will be the last to release though, from the information at hand, of these three....GW2 being B2P, its slated as a break from my main game thing, and if Rift doesn't hit the mark, then I will be very hopeful this game is great.

  • mmogawdmmogawd Member Posts: 732

    I think BioWare is smart enough to keep the 'negativity' in perspective.

    You cannot please everyone, no matter how hard you try.  The haters will always be vocal, making it seem like there are more of them than there really are. 

    I think they're making a real effort to appeal to a wide audience, which by iteself will increase negativity.  When they include features that appeal to a given group, there will always be another group who will not like them.  That's just how it's going to be.

    Alot of the recent negativity involves a lack of new information... is this bad?  Not really.  It simply indicates how anxious people are for the game, how they're drooling over every little table scrap BioWare is willing to let fall from the table.

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,059

    Originally posted by Lobotomist

    EA has made 300 million dollar investment in this game. They hired one of the best studios in gaming. And have one of the best settings in popular culture.

    Yet the negativity that is starting to surround this game (not only on this site) grows every day.

     

    Now I am not sure about EA. But if I was in their shoes I would slowly start to panic.

     

    The game is probably finished by now (and is only tested and fine tuned at this moment) Yet its clear that they have nothing good to show.

    Every new video (like the latest one of imperial agent) looks worse than previous , and only puts more fuel to the fire.

    I think they clearly dont have nothing better to show too.

    And If they do have something better to show. What are they waiting for ?

    For game rep to crash and burn so it would rise from ashes like a phoenix ? ( <- that is irony)

     

    There is similarity here with APB. Great ideas , great budget , skillful company. But somewhere between idea and execution things got really wrong and end result is simply flawed.

     

    So are EA and Bioware in panic mode right now ?

    Personally, I think the reason they aren't showing much is more likely due to development not being as far along as you're implying here, not because they haven't got anything good to show.

    But no, its likely they're only peripherially aware of any forum negativity and I'm sure they are all caught up in their own enthusiasm in creating this (hopefully great) title.

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  • Clubmaster22Clubmaster22 Member Posts: 279

    EA should be worried indeed.

    1. Every game they released in the last years was pretty much a turd and NOT ONE of their MMO-projects was even remotely successful.

    2. Star Wars is a hype from yesterday. I'm 38 years old and Star Wars was all the rage when I was a child. It only went downhill from there: lackluster second trilogy, super bad attempt of an TV-Spin off no one was interested in. I really doubt that todays "hip-crowd" is very much into star wars. It's a franchise for kids and old geezers like me.

    3. The last Star Wars Games where shockingly bad. First the godawful kiddie-scam of a browsergame where you have to spend ridiculous amounts of money for a mini-game collection with nothing to do and now they even buried the only promising game out of the star wars universe for many years: The Force Unleashed II which turned out to be one of the worst games in an already pretty bad gaming year.

    The only possible saving grace is Bioware but then again, they don't have any experience in the MMO-Department and judging from the way they managed to even fuck up every single DLC they released for Dragon Age and Mass Effect one should be worried indeed.

  • LobotomistLobotomist Member EpicPosts: 5,981

    If the game is not about done:

    Than sadly we will not see it in first half of 2011. Or even worse we will see buggy unplayable version of it in first half of 2011.

    But I dont think neither of those are true.

     

    Second.

    I am not talking about mmorpg.com forums.

    Every video i see on youtube, gamespot, etc. Read comments below. Very negative.

     

    Now if that is not upsetting EA/B. Than what is ?

    They expect that majority of their customers will be people that never seen game footage , or never followed the game ?

    Thats as sad as it is unrealistic.

     



  • mmogawdmmogawd Member Posts: 732

    Originally posted by nachofoot

    I would be in panic mode.  The Star Wars movies are over and the nostalgia is just about faded.  Marketing has pushed all the items they can into stores and on tv.  Parents and children alike are just about sick of everything jedi.

     

    Cliffnotes:  This game better be damn good and come with a trial.  The "Star Wars" name no longer means "buy then try."

    When has the "Star Wars" name EVER meant "buy then try" when it comes to video games?  You either have very little experience in gaming, or your tastes are not very particular.

    BioWare, however, has been, and whill continue to be, a reason to "buy then try".  BioWare has yet to fail to deliver.

  • choujiofkonochoujiofkono Member Posts: 852

    Originally posted by Lobotomist

    There is similarity here with APB. Great ideas , great budget , skillful company. But somewhere between idea and execution things got really wrong and end result is simply flawed.

         I don't find any simularity with APB whatsoever.  I don't think a GTA ripoff with barbie add ons that you have to pay monthy for is even in the same ballpark as a SW game developed by Bioware and centering on extended storylines.

        SW probably has the biggest built in fanbase of any fictional story told in any language.  I really can't even guess at how much money SW has generated in total throughout every facet of it's circulation.  Needless to say it's gigantic.  It really hasn't expanded much in the story outside the original themes either.  Plenty of room for exploration and new movies, tv, books... it's supremely popular in the US and I'm sure elsewhere. 

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  • VormirVormir Member UncommonPosts: 135

    If EA was sure they had a triple A MMORPG, they would be showing off they product to increase the Hype.

    That is not happening.

    Like it or not this game will sell between 800k-1mil copies. That's 40mil - 50mil dollars. Not even close to the 200mil they are spending.

    If the gameplay sucks, people will not renews the subcription and that will lead to some unpleasent decisions. Like closing down studios. Not Mythic though.

    Business wise, this game was a bad decision to start with. If they can keep the game online, then great for the players.

    The graphics look fine, story looks fine, UI looks fine. What about the gameplay?

    Gameplay will make or destroy this game. It will take 30 days after release to know where this game stands.

    Cheers,

    V

  • ThaneThane Member EpicPosts: 3,534

    that's like asking blizzard if they will cry now, since you cancel your account.

    as it has been said before, the posting users are usually NOT the majority.

     

     

    and incase you dont wanna beleieve it, the SW frenchise is big enough to survive some forum troll :)

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  • gamerstuffgamerstuff Member Posts: 19

    Originally posted by Lobotomist

    If the game is not about done:

    Than sadly we will not see it in first half of 2012. Or even worse we will see buggy unplayable version of it in first half of 2012.

    But I dont think neither of those are true.

     

    Second.

    I am not talking about mmorpg.com forums.

    Every video i see on youtube, gamespot, etc. Read comments below. Very negative.

     

    Now if that is not upsetting EA/B. Than what is ?

    They expect that majority of their customers will be people that never seen game footage , or never followed the game ?

    Thats as sad as it is unrealistic.

     

     

    Lol, did you just use youtube as a reference. That has got to be the most un-reliable source of information next to twitter. Lol youtube audience is a million times worse that getting information on these forums. 

    Working on it

  • jaxsundanejaxsundane Member Posts: 2,776

    Originally posted by Lobotomist

    EA has made 300 million dollar investment in this game. They hired one of the best studios in gaming. And have one of the best settings in popular culture.

    Yet the negativity that is starting to surround this game (not only on this site) grows every day.

     

    Now I am not sure about EA. But if I was in their shoes I would slowly start to panic.

     

    The game is probably finished by now (and is only tested and fine tuned at this moment) Yet its clear that they have nothing good to show.

    Every new video (like the latest one of imperial agent) looks worse than previous , and only puts more fuel to the fire.

    I think they clearly dont have nothing better to show too.

    And If they do have something better to show. What are they waiting for ?

    For game rep to crash and burn so it would rise from ashes like a phoenix ? ( <- that is irony)

     

    There is similarity here with APB. Great ideas , great budget , skillful company. But somewhere between idea and execution things got really wrong and end result is simply flawed.

     

    So are EA and Bioware in panic mode right now ?

     Annoyed yes panicking doubtful, let's be honest here "mmorpg players" are often the most whiny least satisfied group of "fans" I could think of.  I mean how many people do you know who call themselves "heavy metal fans" that hate all but one heavy metal group, this is pretty much how I view (if not the entire genre) certainly the majority of the naysayers who post on here.

    And let's be honest the vitriol spit towards this game has striking similarity to the tone of conversation about a certain 500 pound gorilla called "WOW" and I somehow doubt that Blizzard cares that they don't have you folks admiration or respect because they are actually feeding the family off of what they do get with the game they made.

    but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....

  • AzerinAzerin Member Posts: 170

    Originally posted by Lobotomist

    If the game is not about done:

    Than sadly we will not see it in first half of 2012. Or even worse we will see buggy unplayable version of it in first half of 2012.

    But I dont think neither of those are true.

     

    Second.

    I am not talking about mmorpg.com forums.

    Every video i see on youtube, gamespot, etc. Read comments below. Very negative.

     

    Now if that is not upsetting EA/B. Than what is ?

    They expect that majority of their customers will be people that never seen game footage , or never followed the game ?

    Thats as sad as it is unrealistic.

     

     

    Do you mean 2011? Cause I have no idea what reasoning you used to say that if the game isn't near complete now (Nov 2010), then it definitely won't be ready 1.5 years from now in  spring 2012.

    Second, I don't think you know then what demographic the vast majority of gamers fall under. Contrary to what you think, most gamers don't spend time obessing and analyzing bits of released info about a game months and years before it's released. So like many others have said, the negativity on forums and community sites surrounding any game in development is for the most part considered negligible by the development studios, or as some other variations of the English dialect like to put it: It means fuck all.

  • abyss610abyss610 Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 1,131

    i'm sure they're not worried just because some SWG "vet" troll posts in a HATE filled forum such as this one,that they don't like TOR because it isn't copying some turd that Sony squeezed out how ever many years ago and they can NEVER get over it.

    look around on these forums when hasn't a game come out and NOT been trolled into the ground before it even released? they'll be fine and deffinitly think the "300 million" is waaaay off. i haven't been following the game much myself, i do not want to read too much into anything before the game comes out.

  • WraithoneWraithone Member RarePosts: 3,806

    Originally posted by Lobotomist

    EA has made 300 million dollar investment in this game. They hired one of the best studios in gaming. And have one of the best settings in popular culture.

    Yet the negativity that is starting to surround this game (not only on this site) grows every day.

     

    Now I am not sure about EA. But if I was in their shoes I would slowly start to panic.

     

    The game is probably finished by now (and is only tested and fine tuned at this moment) Yet its clear that they have nothing good to show.

    Every new video (like the latest one of imperial agent) looks worse than previous , and only puts more fuel to the fire.

    I think they clearly dont have nothing better to show too.

    And If they do have something better to show. What are they waiting for ?

    For game rep to crash and burn so it would rise from ashes like a phoenix ? ( <- that is irony)

     

    There is similarity here with APB. Great ideas , great budget , skillful company. But somewhere between idea and execution things got really wrong and end result is simply flawed.

     

    So are EA and Bioware in panic mode right now ?

     

    Doubtful at this point. Keep in mind that those who use the forums(here and every where else) make up a *small* fraction of the potential player base.  I suspect that the panic will come if they have huge initial box sales, and then the typical MMO decline curve 30-60 days after launch. 

    If they have really spent $300 million on it(what it took to create all three of Peter Jacksons Tolken movies)  they'd better hope that they don't see the all too typical MMO decline curve.

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