And that's why certain people should not be involved in beta testing. They start, experience something they don't like, quit, and then go to othr forums to complain about it. It's beta. Everything is not implemented. They are testing. The PvP servers have only been up for about a week, and the popilations are low. When there are more people you should have higher levels in your faction fighting the other factions higher levels. Some people think it is too carebear to have level restrictions. I tend to disagree, but I tend toward more carebear anyway. However, the fact that you were looking for a PvP flag and quit because you got ganked a couple of times, probably means that a PvP server is not for you. PvP servers are not for people who quit easily.
If you want more casual PvP you can flag yourself as PvP on a PvE server, or stick to Arena PvP. You could also learn to play on a PvE server then give the PvP server another shot later. You may also want to do what you are supposed to do in Beta, play and provide constructive feedback. We don't know what they have planned for release. They may know exactly what they plan to do, or they may be undecided and are waiting on feedback. They may add level restrictions, or they may add tougher guards by the door. I don't know what they have on the PvP servers, but there are guards by the door on the PvE server and I have seen them chase off players from the other faction.
Point: I wnted to play a PVP server because I was told by the developers on their demonstration video I could 'flag it on and off', couldn't find it. I didn't wanna waste time finding it either. Since i couldn't shut it off, I decided it was a good example of a small hassel that'll reflect upon the rest of the game. If I had trouble finding something that should be so simple, I know I was going to encounter it many times over again in the future with other things. That is my first impression.
I'd like to see the dev video where they told you that you could flag on and off on a PVP server. Consensual PVP(flagging on and off, etc) is a feature of the PVE servers.
That being said, I am sorry that you got ganked, however ganking in this game is NOT the same as in other games. This game is strongly skill based, and at lvl 12 or 13 in ice/dual guns I was able to take on players in their 20s and it was not an uneven playing field.
I ran into a guy when I was around level 6... I had just come out of a legends match and at the time it was bugged so it left you flagged when you came out... I got jumped while in a booster gold cinematic. Was down to half life when I regained control, and I was able to come back and make him run with his tail between his legs.
You rolled on a PVP server based on information you (probably) misremembered, then instead of rolling on PVE, you quit... You are quitting on the basis that you can't find a feature that isn't there on a server you probably shouldn't have rolled on in the first place. Roll PVE. Get used to the game and the mechanics. And then roll PVP once you are familiar with it.
I play on the PVP server and get ganked all he time lol. game is too fun for me to care though. plus there are so many missions available that if the ganking is to severe you can always come back later. I do what i can to keep the peace and you can see others do as well when they run past and dont acknowledge you.
When i do get ganked however. its on. i allways go back at least once to try and find them and take em out.
I see the OP updated the original post and is now playing on a PvE server, and enjoying the game. Excellent. He has concerns that the quest areas will be highly contested on the PvP servers. I am sure they will be, but I think that's how PvP players like it. I think the area around the hospital will be crazy.
Those who like PvP lite can flag as PvP on the PvE servers, and of course, do arena PvP. I imagine that the quest areas will still be the hot areas for PvP, but at least on the PvE server you can always turn your flag off if you just want to quest without hassle.
Imo playing this game in pve is not worth it. I can't imagine a city where villains & heroes walking around, holding hands and singing kumbaya. Seriously, heroes & villains, it's all about the freaking war.
Ok I didn't read every single post in this thread but the OP is complaining about not being able to flag PVP off on a PVP server. As a veteran MMO PVPer, there are certain rules one must follow in order to be on a PVP server.
1. You are going to die. 2. You are never safe, yes even during cinematics. Deal with it. 3. You are going to die. 4. Stop whining about dying during a cinematic, find him, and kill him. 5. If you can't kill him yourself, find some friends or make some friends and go hunt him.
It's a dog eat dog world on PVP servers. If you can't handle it, let someone else in who can.
Point: I wnted to play a PVP server because I was told by the developers on their demonstration video I could 'flag it on and off', couldn't find it. I didn't wanna waste time finding it either. Since i couldn't shut it off, I decided it was a good example of a small hassel that'll reflect upon the rest of the game. If I had trouble finding something that should be so simple, I know I was going to encounter it many times over again in the future with other things. That is my first impression.
You know that if you go to a fast food resturaunt and order a double CHEESEburger that you are going to get cheese?
Yeah.. I was surprised myself..
To be honest if i would have gotten killed like that I would have considered it Epic and it would have setup the rest of my beta experience trying to get that guy back for that.. Somehow.
You would concider it "epic" to get killed while being forced to watch the cinemaics and had NO way of defending yourself? Sorry, that is just lame. Almost as lame as it is for someone to attack another person 10 levels lower than they are, again no chance to defend yourself. If that is your definition of PVP then know that it is just pathetic. PvP is when two nominally equal foes battle each other to see who the better toon is. Anything else is just PATHETIC.
PvP is when two nominally equal foes battle each other?
LOL.. No matter how psuedo-intellectual you want to make that sound, PvP is when ever another Player battles another player.. nothing ever has to be "equal".. Hell, people always cry about balance in PvP, since when did it have to be "equal"?
Sure to YOU it may be pathetic, but it IS pvp.. You take your bumps, GROW from them and take the fight to your killer.. In games like Darkfall, where PvP is basically the name of the game, you have to accept the fact that people are going to kill you and in most cases it will not be fair. 5 on 1 ganks, massive skill level differences etc.. DEAL with it or play another game/server...
It's reasons like ganking and the attitudes of the PvP community that help me decide to roll on PvE servers where i get to choose WHEN and IF i want to be involved in PvP. In my first MMO *cough SWG* this system was brilliant, I chose when i wanted to PvP not some lame high level bored ganker.
SOME PvP players will call myself and others liek me carebears or whatever they want, in games i just tell them to shove it down their throats and hunt em down when i'm ready to. In actual fact those types of people are the ones that cause decreases in their server population or at the very least keep the server population fairly limited in comparison then moan about it later on.
To end my rant, Roll on PvE servers and that way you'll get to enjoy the game YOU pay for (eventually pay for in DCUO case) and you get to choose when you want to be involved in PvP.
I love the game on the PvE server, though I've noticed a big difference between the two servers.
On the PvE server you have mainly heroes. These heroes rarely flag for PvP in the open world (though I am ALWAYS flagged for PvP) and though you'll see a few villains here and there its even more rare to see a flagged villain in the open world.
Likewise on the PvE server you see that players are spending any PvP time they have in the Legends Arena instead of the objective based arenas.
In the past 3 days on the PvE server I've only seen maybe 2 villains flagged for PvP (they were at the current max level) in the open world, and after promptly beating them they either logged, unflagged, or went to a different area. Open World PvP is lonely for me on the PvE server, but overall I prefer it because I have the choice of what to do when I want to do it.
On the PvP server, you notice many more villains. The villains, of course, instigate the majority of the battles, and it usually starts with the camping of a spawn point. So far on the PvP servers, the largest battles fought aren't between those in the areas with shared quests, but when a group of level 20's camps the starting door mostly in metropolis.
They say they do this so that, after killing 10 lowbies repeatedly that they'll call the higher level heroes, but the truth is, there aren't many level 20 heroes on the PvP servers.
Just kind of giving an overview of whats going on and what I've noticed as far as PvP is concerned. Nothing groundbreaking, just the average PvP server type of stuff.
I agree with you OP, it is bad design. It seems people seem to think that just because it is PvP server then you should be able to to do whatever the hell you like.
Sorry but no, the time of gamers putting up with gankers exploiting the game mechanics is over. Majority of MMORPG gamers want to PvP but that does not mean they want to be ganked when they are practically defenceless. And so what if you are "gank proof" when you are watching a cut scene, it is not like there will be cut scenes that you can repeat over and over. If there are then that is another design flaw.
If this continues until launch then it is a big fail in my book. Gank does not equal PvP, it is just a childish behaviour for some people that want to kill others with minimum risk to themselves.
Geesh MMOs with PVP in it should come with a box of Huggies.
WHAAAAA whaaaaa... I couldn't just restart and play. WHAAAAANNN! I gots no friends because I solo in MMOs.. WHAAANNN!! I didn't win the first time playing WHANANANNANANANAAA
You guys who are complaining about pvp ganking are really ignorant.
You can pvp on the pve servers through flagging. /thread
I mean really what else is there to say? You don't like always being vulnerable, go to a pve server. Just because it says 'pve' doesn't mean players can't fight each other.
The only reason that wouldn't satisfy is either a: you want some grandiose faction vs faction system that just isn't going to happen and need to get over it, or b: you just want to do the ganking without being ganked yourself.
Originally posted by Yamota Majority of MMORPG gamers want to PvP when everything is hunky dory.
Fixed it for you.
Seriously, people nowadays want to have all their buffs on, one weapoon in each hand, laser guns attached to their toes, and all their armor at full strength to PVP. Absolutely ridiculous. This is what WoW did to the MMO genre. People keep blaming it something else, but ultimately WoW and Blizzard made people so damn carebear it's sad.
Majority of MMORPG gamers want to PvP when everything is hunky dory.
Fixed it for you.
Seriously, people nowadays want to have all their buffs on, one weapoon in each hand, laser guns attached to their toes, and all their armor at full strength to PVP. Absolutely ridiculous. This is what WoW did to the MMO genre. People keep blaming it something else, but ultimately WoW and Blizzard made people so damn carebear it's sad.
Thats one good thing about DCUO is that you don't need to have the best everything to contend, but it definitely helps with survivability. A really good player can take on an opponent many levels above his own. Even the best player though would be hard pressed taking out more than 2 on 1 unless they were really bad players, or very, very low levels.
Me as a level 20 on the PvE server, I've been able to take out 3 level 20s by myself before, but then I've been shown up by two level 8s multiple times. Its mostly about how you play in DCUO, then the rest comes down to numbers.
While I'm sure they'll change the ganking while in a cinematic.. it's a PvP server and your lack of knowledge (flagging off?) clearly puts you in the boobie category as far as that goes. Now you know.
Majority of MMORPG gamers want to PvP when everything is hunky dory.
Fixed it for you.
Seriously, people nowadays want to have all their buffs on, one weapoon in each hand, laser guns attached to their toes, and all their armor at full strength to PVP. Absolutely ridiculous. This is what WoW did to the MMO genre. People keep blaming it something else, but ultimately WoW and Blizzard made people so damn carebear it's sad.
Why is it ridicilous? If I enjoy playing soccer, or any other competetive game, that does not mean I enjoy getting steamrolled by someone who A is on a much higher level than me (like a pro soccer player) and/or B win over me when I am not giving any attention.
PvP is not short for ganking, it is short for Player vs Player. You people who like to win over others, which are inherently at a disadvantage, are a lost breed. The industry have moved on and realised that 99.99% of gamers dont see the fun in being ganked but do enjoy PvP.
I mean why the hell would you think it is fun to gank people who are in a cutscene and dont even know they are being attacked? Makes no sense at all.
Majority of MMORPG gamers want to PvP when everything is hunky dory.
Fixed it for you.
Seriously, people nowadays want to have all their buffs on, one weapoon in each hand, laser guns attached to their toes, and all their armor at full strength to PVP. Absolutely ridiculous. This is what WoW did to the MMO genre. People keep blaming it something else, but ultimately WoW and Blizzard made people so damn carebear it's sad.
Why is it ridicilous? If I enjoy playing soccer or does not mean that I enjoy getting steamrolled by someone who A is on a much higher level than me (like a pro soccer player) and/or B win over me when I am not giving any attention.
PvP is not short for ganking, it is short for Player vs Player. You people who like to win over others, which are inherently at a disadvantage, are a lost breed. The industry have moved on and realised that 99.99% of gamers dont see the fun in being ganked but do enjoy PvP.
I'll dismiss the fabricated statistics on this one, but I will say that ganking is just part of the masochistic gamestyle some "hardcore" PvP'ers choose to play.
I like to PvP, but I like to PvP when I'm ready to PvP. I have specific builds in mind for PvP. When I'm on a PvP server, I'm in a PvP mindset, so while I may have a separate set of powers for Alerts (raids), I plan on being in that PvP mindset for the entirety of my time out in the open world. I'm not surprised by the 5 level 20s that jump me while I'm on a quest, and I'm not surprised that I can't beat them all either.
Many gamers don't see the fun of being ganked, but most players like winning battles, and in a game where taking an easy win may consist of beating a lower level player you can't avoid it without changing the rules substantially to suit same-level play.
While this could be done here, it would cut down on the interactivity and grouping by higher and lower levels and be somewhat unimmersive. The best way to have it both ways, is the PvE server. For those that want this kind of play, I don't see a problem with allowing it as long as we don't have whiners that always want to win no matter the circumstance.
Game was looking interesting, then I spawned outside the nooby zone, decided to try the acrobatics trial. During the little cinematic which told me where to go, I got ganked by a higher level hero. After that, I tried to find the 'de-flag' to turn off 'PVP' - couldn't find it. Quit. End of story. - Added I had better expectations of a PVP server, so that's just me. I'm not going to go into detail describing those expectations, then people who make comments toward that. So I chose a PVP server, which means I wanted to do PVP. But I didn't want to spawn at the nooby zone, get my ass beat down by someone whose been sitting their all day doing the same thing to other unexpected new players - who still have no idea what is going on - what the are around them actually entails - whether they should watch their back.. etc. I was very dissapointed which not just getting killed, but getting killed during a cinematic. Which means, that person was purposely camping THAT spot because because they knew for 100% that a person who stood there couldn't defend themelves. THAT of a HUGE flaw in the game, made me decide the entire game wasn't worth my time or in the future, money.
-- Even Later Add Well glad to see the topic is still going strong. In reality, I'm still playing the game and enjoying it a good bit. The PS3 version of course is extremely buggy, and I'm taking good notes for that - and I rolled on the PVE server so I can actually play it. I tell ya, I don't see how the PVP server works - because both Heroes & VIllains share the same area objectives, it'll be chaos trying to get even simple tasks done. Just total chaos. Perhaps it may be fun, I dunno. But I'd certainly need a team mate or something to cover my rump if I get double teamed. All-in-all, the game is shaping up nicely and it's a pleasant surprise. I won't buy the PS3 version though, as it feels unstable and looks poor on Standard TVs. Hopefully that'll be ironed out with a bit more feedback from the PS3 testers.
LOL - Translation: I was mad at first then I calmed down and kept playing. LOL!
Point: I wnted to play a PVP server because I was told by the developers on their demonstration video I could 'flag it on and off', couldn't find it. I didn't wanna waste time finding it either. Since i couldn't shut it off, I decided it was a good example of a small hassel that'll reflect upon the rest of the game. If I had trouble finding something that should be so simple, I know I was going to encounter it many times over again in the future with other things. That is my first impression.
That's a very childish reaction...
gotta disagree with you there, in fact calling him childish, is childish in itself...
He didnt actually call HIM childish, but rather his reaction. Speaking of which, you just did the very same thing...
meh maybe so, doesnt make the OP's point any less valid, getting ganked is an annoyance, getting killed during a game controlled sinematic in which you have no option to even participate in the fight? thats a huge error on the developers side.
"Well let me just quote the late-great Colonel Sanders, who said…’I’m too drunk to taste this chicken." - Ricky Bobby
Geesh MMOs with PVP in it should come with a box of Huggies.
WHAAAAA whaaaaa... I couldn't just restart and play. WHAAAAANNN! I gots no friends because I solo in MMOs.. WHAAANNN!! I didn't win the first time playing WHANANANNANANANAAA
Bah.
Cry babies make me ill to my stomach.
lol I guess everyone just has to roll with the punches on a pvp server, and if a player has a concern that a game mechanic maybe should be tweaked he is a crybaby, get real man...
"Well let me just quote the late-great Colonel Sanders, who said…’I’m too drunk to taste this chicken." - Ricky Bobby
To sum it up, this post very clearly displays the poor attitude most "hardcore" pvp'ers out there have these days. Its a sad state, I always play on PVP servers when I play an MMO, however I certainly reserve the right to speak up if I feel a certain aspect of the game could use improving. If im watching a GAME IMPOSED cinematic for a mission and dont even have the OPTION to defend myself? thats not PVP....sorry folks thats bad game design.
"Well let me just quote the late-great Colonel Sanders, who said…’I’m too drunk to taste this chicken." - Ricky Bobby
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Likewise, but in my case, it's restored after how they screwed over the loyal players of The Matrix Online. I invested 3 years into MxO.
And that's why certain people should not be involved in beta testing. They start, experience something they don't like, quit, and then go to othr forums to complain about it. It's beta. Everything is not implemented. They are testing. The PvP servers have only been up for about a week, and the popilations are low. When there are more people you should have higher levels in your faction fighting the other factions higher levels. Some people think it is too carebear to have level restrictions. I tend to disagree, but I tend toward more carebear anyway. However, the fact that you were looking for a PvP flag and quit because you got ganked a couple of times, probably means that a PvP server is not for you. PvP servers are not for people who quit easily.
If you want more casual PvP you can flag yourself as PvP on a PvE server, or stick to Arena PvP. You could also learn to play on a PvE server then give the PvP server another shot later. You may also want to do what you are supposed to do in Beta, play and provide constructive feedback. We don't know what they have planned for release. They may know exactly what they plan to do, or they may be undecided and are waiting on feedback. They may add level restrictions, or they may add tougher guards by the door. I don't know what they have on the PvP servers, but there are guards by the door on the PvE server and I have seen them chase off players from the other faction.
I'd like to see the dev video where they told you that you could flag on and off on a PVP server. Consensual PVP(flagging on and off, etc) is a feature of the PVE servers.
That being said, I am sorry that you got ganked, however ganking in this game is NOT the same as in other games. This game is strongly skill based, and at lvl 12 or 13 in ice/dual guns I was able to take on players in their 20s and it was not an uneven playing field.
I ran into a guy when I was around level 6... I had just come out of a legends match and at the time it was bugged so it left you flagged when you came out... I got jumped while in a booster gold cinematic. Was down to half life when I regained control, and I was able to come back and make him run with his tail between his legs.
You rolled on a PVP server based on information you (probably) misremembered, then instead of rolling on PVE, you quit... You are quitting on the basis that you can't find a feature that isn't there on a server you probably shouldn't have rolled on in the first place. Roll PVE. Get used to the game and the mechanics. And then roll PVP once you are familiar with it.
Amended to OP since it seems people are over-looking like posts.
I play on the PVP server and get ganked all he time lol. game is too fun for me to care though. plus there are so many missions available that if the ganking is to severe you can always come back later. I do what i can to keep the peace and you can see others do as well when they run past and dont acknowledge you.
When i do get ganked however. its on. i allways go back at least once to try and find them and take em out.
I see the OP updated the original post and is now playing on a PvE server, and enjoying the game. Excellent. He has concerns that the quest areas will be highly contested on the PvP servers. I am sure they will be, but I think that's how PvP players like it. I think the area around the hospital will be crazy.
Those who like PvP lite can flag as PvP on the PvE servers, and of course, do arena PvP. I imagine that the quest areas will still be the hot areas for PvP, but at least on the PvE server you can always turn your flag off if you just want to quest without hassle.
I can't decide myself if you're a hater or simply a noob.
I'll go for weirdo.
Imo playing this game in pve is not worth it. I can't imagine a city where villains & heroes walking around, holding hands and singing kumbaya. Seriously, heroes & villains, it's all about the freaking war.
Ok I didn't read every single post in this thread but the OP is complaining about not being able to flag PVP off on a PVP server. As a veteran MMO PVPer, there are certain rules one must follow in order to be on a PVP server.
1. You are going to die.
2. You are never safe, yes even during cinematics. Deal with it.
3. You are going to die.
4. Stop whining about dying during a cinematic, find him, and kill him.
5. If you can't kill him yourself, find some friends or make some friends and go hunt him.
It's a dog eat dog world on PVP servers. If you can't handle it, let someone else in who can.
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PvP is when two nominally equal foes battle each other?
LOL.. No matter how psuedo-intellectual you want to make that sound, PvP is when ever another Player battles another player.. nothing ever has to be "equal".. Hell, people always cry about balance in PvP, since when did it have to be "equal"?
Sure to YOU it may be pathetic, but it IS pvp.. You take your bumps, GROW from them and take the fight to your killer.. In games like Darkfall, where PvP is basically the name of the game, you have to accept the fact that people are going to kill you and in most cases it will not be fair. 5 on 1 ganks, massive skill level differences etc.. DEAL with it or play another game/server...
It's reasons like ganking and the attitudes of the PvP community that help me decide to roll on PvE servers where i get to choose WHEN and IF i want to be involved in PvP. In my first MMO *cough SWG* this system was brilliant, I chose when i wanted to PvP not some lame high level bored ganker.
SOME PvP players will call myself and others liek me carebears or whatever they want, in games i just tell them to shove it down their throats and hunt em down when i'm ready to. In actual fact those types of people are the ones that cause decreases in their server population or at the very least keep the server population fairly limited in comparison then moan about it later on.
To end my rant, Roll on PvE servers and that way you'll get to enjoy the game YOU pay for (eventually pay for in DCUO case) and you get to choose when you want to be involved in PvP.
I love the game on the PvE server, though I've noticed a big difference between the two servers.
On the PvE server you have mainly heroes. These heroes rarely flag for PvP in the open world (though I am ALWAYS flagged for PvP) and though you'll see a few villains here and there its even more rare to see a flagged villain in the open world.
Likewise on the PvE server you see that players are spending any PvP time they have in the Legends Arena instead of the objective based arenas.
In the past 3 days on the PvE server I've only seen maybe 2 villains flagged for PvP (they were at the current max level) in the open world, and after promptly beating them they either logged, unflagged, or went to a different area. Open World PvP is lonely for me on the PvE server, but overall I prefer it because I have the choice of what to do when I want to do it.
On the PvP server, you notice many more villains. The villains, of course, instigate the majority of the battles, and it usually starts with the camping of a spawn point. So far on the PvP servers, the largest battles fought aren't between those in the areas with shared quests, but when a group of level 20's camps the starting door mostly in metropolis.
They say they do this so that, after killing 10 lowbies repeatedly that they'll call the higher level heroes, but the truth is, there aren't many level 20 heroes on the PvP servers.
For example, a recent PvP video taken by villains: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk9H3gXKAlg
Just kind of giving an overview of whats going on and what I've noticed as far as PvP is concerned. Nothing groundbreaking, just the average PvP server type of stuff.
I agree with you OP, it is bad design. It seems people seem to think that just because it is PvP server then you should be able to to do whatever the hell you like.
Sorry but no, the time of gamers putting up with gankers exploiting the game mechanics is over. Majority of MMORPG gamers want to PvP but that does not mean they want to be ganked when they are practically defenceless. And so what if you are "gank proof" when you are watching a cut scene, it is not like there will be cut scenes that you can repeat over and over. If there are then that is another design flaw.
If this continues until launch then it is a big fail in my book. Gank does not equal PvP, it is just a childish behaviour for some people that want to kill others with minimum risk to themselves.
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Geesh MMOs with PVP in it should come with a box of Huggies.
WHAAAAA whaaaaa... I couldn't just restart and play. WHAAAAANNN! I gots no friends because I solo in MMOs.. WHAAANNN!! I didn't win the first time playing WHANANANNANANANAAA
Bah.
Cry babies make me ill to my stomach.
You guys who are complaining about pvp ganking are really ignorant.
You can pvp on the pve servers through flagging. /thread
I mean really what else is there to say? You don't like always being vulnerable, go to a pve server. Just because it says 'pve' doesn't mean players can't fight each other.
The only reason that wouldn't satisfy is either a: you want some grandiose faction vs faction system that just isn't going to happen and need to get over it, or b: you just want to do the ganking without being ganked yourself.
Fixed it for you.
Seriously, people nowadays want to have all their buffs on, one weapoon in each hand, laser guns attached to their toes, and all their armor at full strength to PVP. Absolutely ridiculous. This is what WoW did to the MMO genre. People keep blaming it something else, but ultimately WoW and Blizzard made people so damn carebear it's sad.
Thats one good thing about DCUO is that you don't need to have the best everything to contend, but it definitely helps with survivability. A really good player can take on an opponent many levels above his own. Even the best player though would be hard pressed taking out more than 2 on 1 unless they were really bad players, or very, very low levels.
Me as a level 20 on the PvE server, I've been able to take out 3 level 20s by myself before, but then I've been shown up by two level 8s multiple times. Its mostly about how you play in DCUO, then the rest comes down to numbers.
While I'm sure they'll change the ganking while in a cinematic.. it's a PvP server and your lack of knowledge (flagging off?) clearly puts you in the boobie category as far as that goes. Now you know.
He who keeps his cool best wins.
OP, you are pathetic!
Why is it ridicilous? If I enjoy playing soccer, or any other competetive game, that does not mean I enjoy getting steamrolled by someone who A is on a much higher level than me (like a pro soccer player) and/or B win over me when I am not giving any attention.
PvP is not short for ganking, it is short for Player vs Player. You people who like to win over others, which are inherently at a disadvantage, are a lost breed. The industry have moved on and realised that 99.99% of gamers dont see the fun in being ganked but do enjoy PvP.
I mean why the hell would you think it is fun to gank people who are in a cutscene and dont even know they are being attacked? Makes no sense at all.
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I'll dismiss the fabricated statistics on this one, but I will say that ganking is just part of the masochistic gamestyle some "hardcore" PvP'ers choose to play.
I like to PvP, but I like to PvP when I'm ready to PvP. I have specific builds in mind for PvP. When I'm on a PvP server, I'm in a PvP mindset, so while I may have a separate set of powers for Alerts (raids), I plan on being in that PvP mindset for the entirety of my time out in the open world. I'm not surprised by the 5 level 20s that jump me while I'm on a quest, and I'm not surprised that I can't beat them all either.
Many gamers don't see the fun of being ganked, but most players like winning battles, and in a game where taking an easy win may consist of beating a lower level player you can't avoid it without changing the rules substantially to suit same-level play.
While this could be done here, it would cut down on the interactivity and grouping by higher and lower levels and be somewhat unimmersive. The best way to have it both ways, is the PvE server. For those that want this kind of play, I don't see a problem with allowing it as long as we don't have whiners that always want to win no matter the circumstance.
LOL - Translation: I was mad at first then I calmed down and kept playing. LOL!meh maybe so, doesnt make the OP's point any less valid, getting ganked is an annoyance, getting killed during a game controlled sinematic in which you have no option to even participate in the fight? thats a huge error on the developers side.
lol I guess everyone just has to roll with the punches on a pvp server, and if a player has a concern that a game mechanic maybe should be tweaked he is a crybaby, get real man...
To sum it up, this post very clearly displays the poor attitude most "hardcore" pvp'ers out there have these days. Its a sad state, I always play on PVP servers when I play an MMO, however I certainly reserve the right to speak up if I feel a certain aspect of the game could use improving. If im watching a GAME IMPOSED cinematic for a mission and dont even have the OPTION to defend myself? thats not PVP....sorry folks thats bad game design.