Hey elitists, ill play whatever game I feel like, you can go suck on a +9 acid lolipop.
Nobody likes elitist mentality, amiright?
It would be funny if they had a player class called 'WoW player ', as an option in new MMORPGs though. Look at me, i'm a level 99 WoW player! Like my WoWmace?
Also, I don't get why people who have played WoW, are always associated with the fact that they are from WoW'? I have played WoW, but I am not some attachable object that belongs in that world. When referencing me, it am just me, not some guy from one of the many games I have partaken in. I have played many MMORPG's in my time, and many RTS, FPS, RPG's as well.
OP, now you're implying that WAR failed because it didn't do what? Follow the advice of the WoW players and become what exactly?
Let me put it in some other terms so you can understand it.
Lets say that you have a rich girlfriend that you also think is the most beautiful woman ever. I find her ok, but nothing special. If however everytime we meet you keep on and on repeating how beautiful she is and you talk about nothing but her, I may feel inclined to tell you to go to her and stop giving me a headache. Am I really an elitist or you're just being annoying?
I for one think the OP's assumptions about WoW players is acurate even if he was being sarcastic. I actually Do believe that by and large the bulk of WoW players are young and also rude. Where there is smoke, there is fire. Im just willing to admit it.
The game is fine for what it is but the community is what turns me off.
OP, now you're implying that WAR failed because it didn't do what? Follow the advice of the WoW players and become what exactly?
Let me put it in some other terms so you can understand it.
Lets say that you have a rich girlfriend that you also think is the most beautiful woman ever. I find her ok, but nothing special. If however everytime we meet you keep on and on repeating how beautiful she is and you talk about nothing but her, I may feel inclined to tell you to go to her and stop giving me a headache. Am I really an elitist or you're just being annoying?
Good analogy. It has nothing to do with being elite.. it has to do with my limited tolerance levels.
There might be an issue if those players try to change the game to WoW from something which current community thinks as better.
I do admit that there is some elitism in the game too, for the community thinking their game is better or more mature/deeper/(need more skill) and on older part of stuff might come from traumas and from WoW "stealing" their game's players...
If WoW players stop grabbing their neckbeards and running into every new game trying to change it into WoW we will start being nice to you. Since that will never happen do not expect the dislike to change anytime soon.
also cool story...
Yeah.
Problem with WoW players is they bring their expectations with them, and demand on the forums of other games that all their favorite WoW features get implemented. Real problem is when they hit critical mass, and developers start listening...
It's because the internet allows people to be more immature, and when they are in an environment where they think a quick stereotypical comment will be approved, they go ahead and say it. In non-WoW MMO's bashing wow and its playerbase is considered ok.
Originally posted by SaintViktor Not everyone is bad but bar none, Blizzard attracts the worst community ever and it even expands into Starcraft 2! With the latest patch of Starcraft 2 we have chat rooms now. Chatrooms are now filled with cussing and immature chiildish talk not to mention almost in all of their games ,Blizzard never can handle the hackers, cheaters and exploiters they attract in their games. Perhaps Blizzard should cater more to the 25+ crowd instead ? I dunno, just a thought!
Holy crap! Cussing and immaturity in an online game?! This cant be. I havent seen such behavior since .....oh, EVERY ONLINE GAME EVER.
Yes, the anti-WoW fanboys have some amazing hypocritical powers. They constantly insult and demean the WoW player base all while calling the WoW player base immature. Truly amazing.
OP, now you're implying that WAR failed because it didn't do what? Follow the advice of the WoW players and become what exactly?
Let me put it in some other terms so you can understand it.
Lets say that you have a rich girlfriend that you also think is the most beautiful woman ever. I find her ok, but nothing special. If however everytime we meet you keep on and on repeating how beautiful she is and you talk about nothing but her, I may feel inclined to tell you to go to her and stop giving me a headache. Am I really an elitist or you're just being annoying?
I think to further your analogy and make it even more relavant is to take your example, and then compare it to the person talking about how beautiful his ex was to a new girl he is talking to. It's like wow you remind me of my last girlfriend, wow you're just like her, oh she was more beautiful than you here, she did this better, I swear you do this just like her.... Enough said.
Also, OP we're not saying WoW player's don't deserve to give feeedback omg only someone like you would read everything that has been said and come up with that. No we are saying that WoW players should stop taking their feedback and comparing it to WoW on chat with every facet.....
Not everyone is bad but bar none, Blizzard attracts the worst community ever and it even expands into Starcraft 2! With the latest patch of Starcraft 2 we have chat rooms now. Chatrooms are now filled with cussing and immature chiildish talk not to mention almost in all of their games ,Blizzard never can handle the hackers, cheaters and exploiters they attract in their games. Perhaps Blizzard should cater more to the 25+ crowd instead ? I dunno, just a thought!
Holy crap! Cussing and immaturity in an online game?! This cant be. I havent seen such behavior since .....oh, EVERY ONLINE GAME EVER.
Yes, the anti-WoW fanboys have some amazing hypocritical powers. They constantly insult and demean the WoW player base all while calling the WoW player base immature. Truly amazing.
What can I say, some are just more evil than others (Pyre Fierceshot quote!) and it is true. I played a ton of games in my time so far and alot of mmos as well. The Blizzard community is by far the worst ever. Blizzard should take more pride in who plays their games instead of worrying about the almighty dollar. Just my 2 cents....
Its because WoW players should stay in Azeroth if they think the game is godly. Its like WoW players go onto other MMOs and bash the game and try to get people to come to WoW(Blizzard is and condones these people IMO). It is obvious they went to other MMOs because WoW was going into a cataclysm of poop. I don't blame them. Doing the same thing over and over again gets boring. THats why I play multiple F2Ps
So wait, let me get thsi straight.
If a WoW Player is bored of WoW, and looking for a new MMORPG, and plays and test it,
but they arent allowed to give negeative feedback because of the simple fact that they are WoW Players?
Wrong. They can have negative feedback, but its always this style: Hey guys dont you think this game suck? WoW is better right? Just this suck here WoW did it better, WoW did this, this and everything better. So than yea, stay in the freakin Azeroth. I played a lot of MMO and I've only compared, mostly just said this could be actualy better for ex. like in this game they got it right (but I can live with that and I can learn new approach for that). But WoW ppl cant tell you any other MMO its just WoW did it RIGHT and only way its RIGHT! Just play the game for gods sake, ok? If you dont like it say it, say why, but WoW has it better? Thats not why its wrong, its just you love WoW so much you shouldnt play that game.
Played: Lineage 2,Guild Wars 1 and 2, Age of Conan, Ragnarok Online, LOTRO, World of Warcraft, League of Legends, EvE online Tried: KAL Online, Face of Mankind, ROSE online Playing: CS:GO
What can I say, some are just more evil than others (Pyre Fierceshot quote!) and it is true. I played a ton of games in my time so far and alot of mmos as well. The Blizzard community is by far the worst ever. Blizzard should take more pride in who plays their games instead of worrying about the almighty dollar. Just my 2 cents....
The worst community - by far - is not found in any game.
But on these very forums. The way players are mocked at, insulted, spit at and assaulted I have never seen in any game ... despite the moderators.
This post above just shows a new trend (apparently accepted ): Insult complete player bases.
It is the result of general hate breeding over here and it is supported as long as it brings in money.
And the kids profiting from it even think they make intelligent posts.
80 years ago some other "communities" were spit at in Europe: we saw the results.
People playing WoW are just as bad (or as good) as anyone else playing anything else IMO. For every moron there's always one good person out there. In any game really.
I do think that non-WoW players have created a silly stereotype of WoW players. I imagine it is lack of understanding from non-WoW players and their unwillingness to understand or empathise WoW players.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been-Wayne Gretzky
Simply put MMO's pre-2004 where polite, mature communities they went rapidly downhill after that. Is WoW to blame I don't know I never played WoW so can;t comment on its community however every game I have played since is always full of childish prats who openly admit they played WoW.
The same can be said though of the FPS genre these communities used to be decent also then MW came along seemed to bring the masses and the communities went pear shaped.
Think it simply comes to down to numbers when smaller, communites are insular, arguments can be sorted and don't spew onto external boards, as communites get larger those voices can't be heard in such a large crowd so their drivel spills out somewhere they believe it can be heard and because they arent getting heard they get louder and louder in their abuse, taunts in game.
Sadly this current breed of player has been brought up with that attitude than that of the previous generation of gamer (not just MMO gamer) they want it all they want it their way and if its not they stomp their feet and throw a hissy fit.
Simply put MMO's pre-2004 where polite, mature communities they went rapidly downhill after that. Is WoW to blame I don't know I never played WoW so can;t comment on its community however every game I have played since is always full of childish prats who openly admit they played WoW.
The same can be said though of the FPS genre these communities used to be decent also then MW came along seemed to bring the masses and the communities went pear shaped.
Think it simply comes to down to numbers when smaller, communites are insular, arguments can be sorted and don't spew onto external boards, as communites get larger those voices can't be heard in such a large crowd so their drivel spills out somewhere they believe it can be heard and because they arent getting heard they get louder and louder in their abuse, taunts in game.
Sadly this current breed of player has been brought up with that attitude than that of the previous generation of gamer (not just MMO gamer) they want it all they want it their way and if its not they stomp their feet and throw a hissy fit.
I don’t understand the elitsm’s additude general statement of "stay in Azeroth, we don't want you here" in each and every new MMORPG.
This was brought up in another major discussion.
But in each and every new MMORPG, the forum community seems to feel the need to disrespect WoW-players, with generalizing statements such as,
*WoW Players are Morons.
*WoW Players are 12 year olds.
*WoW Players are Rude.
*WoW Players are Carebear players that cant play hard games.
*WoW Players are Unskilled.
*WoW Players are Lazy.
The list goes on. These people that make these kinds of generalizing statements, are very closed minded, and hurt the very games that they insecurely are trying to defend.
WoW players are, and can, get bored, just like every other MMORPG player can become with their old games they played. What makes WoW players any different? Because they play the most successful MMORPG in the west, that somehow makes WoW Players immune to boredom? Really?
I agree, MMORPG Developers should feel embarrassed at their community for the furious people that ward off WoW Players with their hatred. With simply a small handful of WoW’s western Player subs, these new MMORPGs would be more successful than any other MMORPG we have.
Anyway,
“More players = more money. More money = more content and more advertising to keep a healthy player base. A healthy player base = successful game.”
Stop trying to shove off WoW Players from being a part of different MMORPG communities. With all your WoW Hatred, you people sound like the Very thing you say you are against from the WoW community, aka Rude People. You are in fact Rude, with comments like
“GO BACK TO WOW”,
or
“WE DON’T WANT WOW PLAYERS HERE”
The Irony!!!
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I play WoW and I freely admit it. I have also been playing these games since UO, and yes, PRE-Trammel, or however you spell it, anyway...
It bothers me that my fellow gamers can be so close-minded... Oh "boohoo" this game is a themepark, oh "boohoo" this game doesn't force you to group...blah blah.
Don't get me wrong, I want another SWG before the change, but I am not going to sit and cry about it, you know, 5 years after the fact...
And in the other games I play, aside from WoW, I am not, nor ever have, called someone out and been that jackass that says, "Go back to WoW."
I mean, I am willing to bet the person saying that, might have actually cut his or her teeth on WoW...
You know who you are...
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
If a WoW Player is bored of WoW, and looking for a new MMORPG, and plays and test it,
but they arent allowed to give negeative feedback because of the simple fact that they are WoW Players?
Negative feedback is never heard or acted on. What developers look for is constructive feedback.
"This game should be more like WoW" is not constructive feedback; yet that's what you get in the general chat and forums for many, many MMO games these days.
Most recently I have seen this in every Rift beta event... "WoW does Y feature better", "Why doesn't Rift have Z, WoW does", etc.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
To posters saying all online games have the same communities, not worse or better than WoW: this is simply not true, you have rotten apples in starting areas and the occasional rant but I'm playing occasionally DDO, LOTRO, Guild Wars, Runes of Magic and a couple of F2P right now and WoW is definitely the worst.
In DDO for instance you have some retards in the starting area but then Stormreach harbor's chat is clean and in 3 years of LOTRO I must have seen like 10 bad lines or so and 2 gold spammers, no chuck norris, no anal joke, no mom joke, no insult. You can fail in a group quest and in the worst case people disband quietly and it's over and I have been in groups retrying the same instance for hours even after many deaths and trying new strategies. Even PvP was courteous with an occasional "f*ck" here and there. Basically people are using channels when they have something to say, it's a revolutionary concept for WoW players I guess 8-P
In F2P games, you have stupid chatters but this will *never ever* be as constant and bad as WoW channels. As someone said WoW is used a lot as a gigantic chatroom to annoy and brag and be a smartass. It's one of the online phenomena to be part of if you want to look cool.
In WoW you have a *constant* channel abuse and stupid/off-topic lines, I was insulted so many times (healing priest) by people doing stupid things and aggroing everything in instances, people would just leave group after blaming each others. Pug WoW players have like 0 patience, they want immediate gratification, they mocked me or didn't understand my choice when I said I had no healing macro or bot and I wanted to heal on my own. They just "need" so many times what they can't use for their class, they don't communicate or do rudely so.
Oh, once I tried a RP server and engaged in a lost duel, comment was "ROTFL RAPED!!!" and the channels were abused as in any server in glorious Azeroth. PvP had a lot of botting (people joining automatically and not leaving starting point), and emote spam, corpsejumping, spitting. Should we add naked dancing on mail boxes and all kinds of stupid behavior making you wonder what the hell you are doing in the middle of this fools' playground?
I really liked the first months of WoW as a game per se but when I ended up blocking all social features and channels to isolate myself and preserve a bit of immersion I realized I was bearing with people I would avoid in real life and paying a sub for a single player game and I really don't want to support such a community and a company that never did anything to police channels and enforce rules (despite its immense profit).
Oh and playing a mmo to put someone on ignore every minute is not my definition of entertainment.
So what was the question again, why don't we like WoW players?
To the OP, the real question is, what were you saying in global chat right before everyone started screaming GO BACK TO WOW, hmm? YOU are the problem not the good ppl youre pissing off.
I think the "go back to WOW!" is aimed at a player, not at a certain playerbase.
For example, if you just play the game and enjoy it, no one will tell you "oh you play WoW? Get out!"
It's when players act immature that others get annoyed. For example, I like to roleplay in games. Not every time I play and I am only a light roleplayer, but I do like to pretend I am in that world. Now, when I read global or trade chat and all I see is "Wow clone" "Wow is so much better!" "This game sux!", then I can understand if some people answer with "then leave and go to WoW!"
That does not imply that WoW players are not wanted, just that if that player thinks WoW is so much better, why is he still playing the other game? I mean, if you don't like something, you don't go to global or trade chat and tell everyone how bad it is, you simply quit and go play whatever you enjoy.
I've met both intelligent, very friendly and very immature WoW players. With such a big playerbase, of course there will be both great people and jerks. And some of those that talk garbage in global chat are not WoW players, but if they prattle on and on about WoW, of course they are mistaken as such. Rather than saying that it is elitism to tell those people to get out, blame those people who think they are so important that they can trash talk in global chat, because they are (one of ) the reason(s) that the WoW community has such a bad reputation.
Also, those are the very vocal minority. There are lots of WoW players who play other games and do not feel the need to tell everyone they meet that they play it. They don't feel seperated from the others either, they see themselves as MMO players, not WoW players.
To posters saying all online games have the same communities, not worse or better than WoW: this is simply not true, you have rotten apples in starting areas and the occasional rant but I'm playing occasionally DDO, LOTRO, Guild Wars, Runes of Magic and a couple of F2P right now and WoW is definitely the worst.
In DDO for instance you have some retards in the starting area but then Stormreach harbor's chat is clean and in 3 years of LOTRO I must have seen like 10 bad lines or so and 2 gold spammers, no chuck norris, no anal joke, no mom joke, no insult. You can fail in a group quest and in the worst case people disband quietly and it's over and I have been in groups retrying the same instance for hours even after many deaths and trying new strategies. Even PvP was courteous with an occasional "f*ck" here and there. Basically people are using channels when they have something to say, it's a revolutionary concept for WoW players I guess 8-P
In F2P games, you have stupid chatters but this will *never ever* be as constant and bad as WoW channels. As someone said WoW is used a lot as a gigantic chatroom to annoy and brag and be a smartass. It's one of the online phenomena to be part of if you want to look cool.
In WoW you have a *constant* channel abuse and stupid/off-topic lines, I was insulted so many times (healing priest) by people doing stupid things and aggroing everything in instances, people would just leave group after blaming each others. Pug WoW players have like 0 patience, they want immediate gratification, they mocked me or didn't understand my choice when I said I had no healing macro or bot and I wanted to heal on my own. They just "need" so many times what they can't use for their class, they don't communicate or do rudely so.
Oh, once I tried a RP server and engaged in a lost duel, comment was "ROTFL RAPED!!!" and the channels were abused as in any server in glorious Azeroth. PvP had a lot of botting (people joining automatically and not leaving starting point), and emote spam, corpsejumping, spitting. Should we add naked dancing on mail boxes and all kinds of stupid behavior making you wonder what the hell you are doing in the middle of this fools' playground?
I really liked the first months of WoW as a game per se but when I ended up blocking all social features and channels to isolate myself and preserve a bit of immersion I realized I was bearing with people I would avoid in real life and paying a sub for a single player game and I really don't want to support such a community and a company that never did anything to police channels and enforce rules (despite its immense profit).
Oh and playing a mmo to put someone on ignore every minute is not my definition of entertainment.
So what was the question again, why don't we like WoW players?
So because WoW community has some rotten apples (more than others) it justifies generalizing all WoW players as morons? It is simply wrong and stupid.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been-Wayne Gretzky
"Go back to WoW" comment in an otherwise reasonable argument can be roughly translated to "You are wrong but I can't explain why." It means you won the argument. It has been thrown against me a couple of times (by Eve players great majority of times) but I have never played WoW nor do I have any interest playing it. So I guess the joke is on them.
And to Dameonk...
Constructive critisism and negative feedback are not mutually exclusive. "This game sucks!" is as bad as "This game rocks!" in my book. "This game sucks because of reason X" can be negative, constructive feedback.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been-Wayne Gretzky
I think that in many cases the "We don't like WoW-players"-comments have nothing to do with WoW. They often stem from insecurites and perhaps disappointments in people who for some reason decided to become a fanboi of a game that doesn't live up to it's hype.
If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe. - Carl Sagan
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Hey elitists, ill play whatever game I feel like, you can go suck on a +9 acid lolipop.
Nobody likes elitist mentality, amiright?
It would be funny if they had a player class called 'WoW player ', as an option in new MMORPGs though. Look at me, i'm a level 99 WoW player! Like my WoWmace?
Also, I don't get why people who have played WoW, are always associated with the fact that they are from WoW'? I have played WoW, but I am not some attachable object that belongs in that world. When referencing me, it am just me, not some guy from one of the many games I have partaken in. I have played many MMORPG's in my time, and many RTS, FPS, RPG's as well.
OP, now you're implying that WAR failed because it didn't do what? Follow the advice of the WoW players and become what exactly?
Let me put it in some other terms so you can understand it.
Lets say that you have a rich girlfriend that you also think is the most beautiful woman ever. I find her ok, but nothing special. If however everytime we meet you keep on and on repeating how beautiful she is and you talk about nothing but her, I may feel inclined to tell you to go to her and stop giving me a headache. Am I really an elitist or you're just being annoying?
I for one think the OP's assumptions about WoW players is acurate even if he was being sarcastic. I actually Do believe that by and large the bulk of WoW players are young and also rude. Where there is smoke, there is fire. Im just willing to admit it.
The game is fine for what it is but the community is what turns me off.
Good analogy. It has nothing to do with being elite.. it has to do with my limited tolerance levels.
There might be an issue if those players try to change the game to WoW from something which current community thinks as better.
I do admit that there is some elitism in the game too, for the community thinking their game is better or more mature/deeper/(need more skill) and on older part of stuff might come from traumas and from WoW "stealing" their game's players...
Yeah.
Problem with WoW players is they bring their expectations with them, and demand on the forums of other games that all their favorite WoW features get implemented. Real problem is when they hit critical mass, and developers start listening...
It's because the internet allows people to be more immature, and when they are in an environment where they think a quick stereotypical comment will be approved, they go ahead and say it. In non-WoW MMO's bashing wow and its playerbase is considered ok.
-I want a Platformer MMO
Yes, the anti-WoW fanboys have some amazing hypocritical powers. They constantly insult and demean the WoW player base all while calling the WoW player base immature. Truly amazing.
I think to further your analogy and make it even more relavant is to take your example, and then compare it to the person talking about how beautiful his ex was to a new girl he is talking to. It's like wow you remind me of my last girlfriend, wow you're just like her, oh she was more beautiful than you here, she did this better, I swear you do this just like her.... Enough said.
Also, OP we're not saying WoW player's don't deserve to give feeedback omg only someone like you would read everything that has been said and come up with that. No we are saying that WoW players should stop taking their feedback and comparing it to WoW on chat with every facet.....
What can I say, some are just more evil than others (Pyre Fierceshot quote!) and it is true. I played a ton of games in my time so far and alot of mmos as well. The Blizzard community is by far the worst ever. Blizzard should take more pride in who plays their games instead of worrying about the almighty dollar. Just my 2 cents....
Wrong. They can have negative feedback, but its always this style: Hey guys dont you think this game suck? WoW is better right? Just this suck here WoW did it better, WoW did this, this and everything better. So than yea, stay in the freakin Azeroth. I played a lot of MMO and I've only compared, mostly just said this could be actualy better for ex. like in this game they got it right (but I can live with that and I can learn new approach for that). But WoW ppl cant tell you any other MMO its just WoW did it RIGHT and only way its RIGHT! Just play the game for gods sake, ok? If you dont like it say it, say why, but WoW has it better? Thats not why its wrong, its just you love WoW so much you shouldnt play that game.
Played: Lineage 2,Guild Wars 1 and 2, Age of Conan, Ragnarok Online, LOTRO, World of Warcraft, League of Legends, EvE online
Tried: KAL Online, Face of Mankind, ROSE online
Playing: CS:GO
The worst community - by far - is not found in any game.
But on these very forums. The way players are mocked at, insulted, spit at and assaulted I have never seen in any game ... despite the moderators.
This post above just shows a new trend (apparently accepted ): Insult complete player bases.
It is the result of general hate breeding over here and it is supported as long as it brings in money.
And the kids profiting from it even think they make intelligent posts.
80 years ago some other "communities" were spit at in Europe: we saw the results.
People playing WoW are just as bad (or as good) as anyone else playing anything else IMO. For every moron there's always one good person out there. In any game really.
I do think that non-WoW players have created a silly stereotype of WoW players. I imagine it is lack of understanding from non-WoW players and their unwillingness to understand or empathise WoW players.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
Simply put MMO's pre-2004 where polite, mature communities they went rapidly downhill after that. Is WoW to blame I don't know I never played WoW so can;t comment on its community however every game I have played since is always full of childish prats who openly admit they played WoW.
The same can be said though of the FPS genre these communities used to be decent also then MW came along seemed to bring the masses and the communities went pear shaped.
Think it simply comes to down to numbers when smaller, communites are insular, arguments can be sorted and don't spew onto external boards, as communites get larger those voices can't be heard in such a large crowd so their drivel spills out somewhere they believe it can be heard and because they arent getting heard they get louder and louder in their abuse, taunts in game.
Sadly this current breed of player has been brought up with that attitude than that of the previous generation of gamer (not just MMO gamer) they want it all they want it their way and if its not they stomp their feet and throw a hissy fit.
To the OP, open up your trade chat and read all the crap about anal and your mom jokes.
yep.
I play WoW and I freely admit it. I have also been playing these games since UO, and yes, PRE-Trammel, or however you spell it, anyway...
It bothers me that my fellow gamers can be so close-minded... Oh "boohoo" this game is a themepark, oh "boohoo" this game doesn't force you to group...blah blah.
Don't get me wrong, I want another SWG before the change, but I am not going to sit and cry about it, you know, 5 years after the fact...
And in the other games I play, aside from WoW, I am not, nor ever have, called someone out and been that jackass that says, "Go back to WoW."
I mean, I am willing to bet the person saying that, might have actually cut his or her teeth on WoW...
You know who you are...
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
Negative feedback is never heard or acted on. What developers look for is constructive feedback.
"This game should be more like WoW" is not constructive feedback; yet that's what you get in the general chat and forums for many, many MMO games these days.
Most recently I have seen this in every Rift beta event... "WoW does Y feature better", "Why doesn't Rift have Z, WoW does", etc.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
To posters saying all online games have the same communities, not worse or better than WoW: this is simply not true, you have rotten apples in starting areas and the occasional rant but I'm playing occasionally DDO, LOTRO, Guild Wars, Runes of Magic and a couple of F2P right now and WoW is definitely the worst.
In DDO for instance you have some retards in the starting area but then Stormreach harbor's chat is clean and in 3 years of LOTRO I must have seen like 10 bad lines or so and 2 gold spammers, no chuck norris, no anal joke, no mom joke, no insult. You can fail in a group quest and in the worst case people disband quietly and it's over and I have been in groups retrying the same instance for hours even after many deaths and trying new strategies. Even PvP was courteous with an occasional "f*ck" here and there. Basically people are using channels when they have something to say, it's a revolutionary concept for WoW players I guess 8-P
In F2P games, you have stupid chatters but this will *never ever* be as constant and bad as WoW channels. As someone said WoW is used a lot as a gigantic chatroom to annoy and brag and be a smartass. It's one of the online phenomena to be part of if you want to look cool.
In WoW you have a *constant* channel abuse and stupid/off-topic lines, I was insulted so many times (healing priest) by people doing stupid things and aggroing everything in instances, people would just leave group after blaming each others. Pug WoW players have like 0 patience, they want immediate gratification, they mocked me or didn't understand my choice when I said I had no healing macro or bot and I wanted to heal on my own. They just "need" so many times what they can't use for their class, they don't communicate or do rudely so.
Oh, once I tried a RP server and engaged in a lost duel, comment was "ROTFL RAPED!!!" and the channels were abused as in any server in glorious Azeroth. PvP had a lot of botting (people joining automatically and not leaving starting point), and emote spam, corpsejumping, spitting. Should we add naked dancing on mail boxes and all kinds of stupid behavior making you wonder what the hell you are doing in the middle of this fools' playground?
I really liked the first months of WoW as a game per se but when I ended up blocking all social features and channels to isolate myself and preserve a bit of immersion I realized I was bearing with people I would avoid in real life and paying a sub for a single player game and I really don't want to support such a community and a company that never did anything to police channels and enforce rules (despite its immense profit).
Oh and playing a mmo to put someone on ignore every minute is not my definition of entertainment.
So what was the question again, why don't we like WoW players?
To the OP, the real question is, what were you saying in global chat right before everyone started screaming GO BACK TO WOW, hmm? YOU are the problem not the good ppl youre pissing off.
I think the "go back to WOW!" is aimed at a player, not at a certain playerbase.
For example, if you just play the game and enjoy it, no one will tell you "oh you play WoW? Get out!"
It's when players act immature that others get annoyed. For example, I like to roleplay in games. Not every time I play and I am only a light roleplayer, but I do like to pretend I am in that world. Now, when I read global or trade chat and all I see is "Wow clone" "Wow is so much better!" "This game sux!", then I can understand if some people answer with "then leave and go to WoW!"
That does not imply that WoW players are not wanted, just that if that player thinks WoW is so much better, why is he still playing the other game? I mean, if you don't like something, you don't go to global or trade chat and tell everyone how bad it is, you simply quit and go play whatever you enjoy.
I've met both intelligent, very friendly and very immature WoW players. With such a big playerbase, of course there will be both great people and jerks. And some of those that talk garbage in global chat are not WoW players, but if they prattle on and on about WoW, of course they are mistaken as such. Rather than saying that it is elitism to tell those people to get out, blame those people who think they are so important that they can trash talk in global chat, because they are (one of ) the reason(s) that the WoW community has such a bad reputation.
Also, those are the very vocal minority. There are lots of WoW players who play other games and do not feel the need to tell everyone they meet that they play it. They don't feel seperated from the others either, they see themselves as MMO players, not WoW players.
So because WoW community has some rotten apples (more than others) it justifies generalizing all WoW players as morons? It is simply wrong and stupid.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
"Go back to WoW" comment in an otherwise reasonable argument can be roughly translated to "You are wrong but I can't explain why." It means you won the argument. It has been thrown against me a couple of times (by Eve players great majority of times) but I have never played WoW nor do I have any interest playing it. So I guess the joke is on them.
And to Dameonk...
Constructive critisism and negative feedback are not mutually exclusive. "This game sucks!" is as bad as "This game rocks!" in my book. "This game sucks because of reason X" can be negative, constructive feedback.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
Hey, I think 9/10 are freaking idiots in any given game, but thats just me and I still don't generalize.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
I think that in many cases the "We don't like WoW-players"-comments have nothing to do with WoW. They often stem from insecurites and perhaps disappointments in people who for some reason decided to become a fanboi of a game that doesn't live up to it's hype.
If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe. - Carl Sagan