What people call wow players has little to do with how big the game is sub wise, its going on how the general player of the game is. I used to play wow, but then i relised the endgame sucked and was a total waste of my time due to no use for raid gear cept more carrot-on-a-stick raids. Decided that kind of endgame didn't appeal to me and I quit. Played for about 2 months recently.
Generalizations like these don't just come out of no where, there usually is a root cause, and that would be wow's notorious playerbase. You mention wow to someone and their reply usually is "Its that big mmorpg with the crappy community right?" least thats the reply I get.
"An MMORPG could be completely diffirent from WoW. Just look at games like Dofus, Wizard101 or EVE. But as it is, most of the Western MMOs are trying to succeed by out-WoWing WoW. It's like an army of 10 sports games made about same sports, and barely none about other sports. WoW clone is an accurate description of those games, it manages to convey much information with only two words." -Poster on mmorpg.com
Rift: World of Warcraft clone #9321 Nothing special to see here move along.
Generalizations like these don't just come out of no where, there usually is a root cause, and that would be wow's notorious playerbase. You mention wow to someone and their reply usually is "Its that big mmorpg with the crappy community right?" least thats the reply I get.
Never had that response myself.
I have played WoW for years now and while the WoW playerbase can get a bit rowdy it's nto actually that bad. EVE's playerbase on the other hand can get vicious.
Generalizations like these don't just come out of no where, there usually is a root cause, and that would be wow's notorious playerbase. You mention wow to someone and their reply usually is "Its that big mmorpg with the crappy community right?" least thats the reply I get.
Never had that response myself.
I have played WoW for years now and while the WoW playerbase can get a bit rowdy it's nto actually that bad. EVE's playerbase on the other hand can get vicious.
Totally agree. Wow's player base has a lot of weirdos with anal games and similar stuff, while EVE has more egotistical people. I will always prefer weirdness to egotism, as egotism spreads like cancer, and never gives a laugh. WoW forums has a community similar to Eve's game community, but is still better too me because of the occassional jolly person that drops in.
Yeah, also I never got a response like scythe99, I usually get things similar to this: "oh that online game" from regular non-gamers, or "Yeah that loser game," or "The only non-loser MMO" (lol), from non MMO gamers. Mention other MMO's usually I get a "?" or a "game for losers," or "lol you play that!?!" Kind of off-topic, but it's sad the image people get of MMO gamers.
IT not being Elite in any way there's only so much childish behaviour one can stand. 10 minutes of omg chuck norris did this would make anybody sick.
Honestly the wow community and how they act in their chat channels is well known and well deserved.
I can always spot them when they come to the games I play they be like omg I level XX now look at me, and chuck norris did this. You immediately get turned off.
Now I am sure there are those who act in a more mature way, and I don't mind that at all, but for the most part you can spot them from a mile off acting like they are 5 year old children, with their omg chuck norris jokes.
I will admit we get the same kind of folks in other games who act that way, you just stick them on ignore, however wow has earned the title of we got the most children playing.
It would not be so bad if they did not fill up the chatt channes with all their stpidity. Quite frankly I don't care if they come from wow to play the gams I am in as long as I don't hear chuck norris did this and omg i came from wow im the greates bla bla bla.
Other games also have community just as bad. take a look at the jokes in Guild Wars. they even have more people with childish names and such. You admit to other games having this, so why shun WoW players.
And whats wrong with WoW players talking about negative features in a mmorpg, and comparing something to WoW?
Its the internet, most people here cant/wont read a reply to try to understand it. even I skimmed your reply here.
But what better way to make a point then by pointing out your idea/suggestion, as already seen else where (WoW) for a visual explanation of what you speak of?
My biggest problem when WoW players come to a new game that I am interested in is that:
1) All you see in general chat is how much better WoW is than the current game they are playing. Not a huge deal.
2) It puts an artificially high demand on the new game market. I see that most people that come from WoW and try new games actually have no desire to stick with the game, they just want to see what the hype is about. This either creates an absurd queue time on servers, or requires the game developer to supply an enormous amount of servers. Then when all the WoW players head back to WoW, they need to merge servers and what not once the population finally stabilizes.
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So , when another MMO comes out .. add's something new or even is just more in tune with the tactics from other more challenging MMO's. There is always this group of people in the chat channels that cries for help just a little bit more then everyone else..they complain about things being too hard just a little more then everyone else ... they scream for nerfs just a little more then everyone else.... they tend too not know how to play their class in any way other then zerg mode...they can't follow instructions ... what do these horrible mmo players all have in common ? They are WoW players.
Ironically, if you follow the WoW forums, you'll find people complaining that Cata has made WoW too hard and "everyone will quit if Blizzard doesn't fix it".
So it seems even WoW itself isn't excluded.
The remarks themselves are beyond infantile. It's up there with people thinking it's cool to curse for no good reason... other than because they think it makes them cool. Eventually people grow up and, hopefully, out of such juvenile behavior.
I do believe that on some level, when people say they don't want the WoW people coming to their game, it's more with a sense of "if these people come to this new MMO, they're going to start complaining about everything being too difficult, too slow, too this.. too that... and the developers will cave-in and make the game easier to cater to them. I have personally experienced this happening in a number of MMOs, as I'm sure many of us have. People play different MMOs because they don't... or at least at a given time, didn't want a game like WoW. If they wanted to play WoW they could play it.
So it's sort of this image of an army of your stereotypical WoW player "invading" a new MMO and immediately appealing to the devs to make it more like WoW, ruining it for those who enjoyed it for being something different.
It really does kinda remind me of an old episode of Brady Bunch (betraying my age here a bit :-p), where the boys build a club-house... then the girls come and "take over" by decorating it with curtains and making it "girly"... which is exactly what the boys didn't want it to be. I think it's kinda analagous to that.
The hate that WoW and it's fans bring is 100% justified.
Don't know of I'd say it's "justified". Some people really do take it too far, and go overboard with the generalizations.. delving well into the realm of hyperbole and flat out lies. Just one for example.. is that only kids or people who "are like kids" play WoW. Completely and utterly wrong. A cousin of mine is a Pediatric Surgeon... that's fancy-speak for "extremely successful, highly educated and well-paid medical professional". He plays WoW. Why? Because he finds it to be a fun pastime when he's not performing his job. It has nothing to do with it being "easy mode" or whatever. It has everything to do with it being fun for him.
I know people who are accountants, managers, full-time parents... you name it... All of them play WoW. So... really, people saying "oh it's nothing but kids playing WoW" are making themselves look just as bad as the people they're attempting to slight.
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Lol. WoW too hard????? I think it was too easy to begin with. They practically spoonfed everything to you in the vanilla version all the way to Woltk. WoW= noob's paradise
Lol. WoW too hard????? I think it was too easy to begin with. They practically spoonfed everything to you in the vanilla version all the way to Woltk. WoW= noob's paradise
Asernine behavior pisses any decent person off regardless of the gaming resume of the offender, but the problem is Wow players take it to new heights of arrogance coupled with that certain brand of ignorance that causes one to think he's wise when he doesn't have a clue. Seems that because Wow was the first mmo experience of so many of its players and it is the big fish in the western market atm, that they believe whatever Wow is, is the ultimate. Or worse, that it is the origin. Its the wrong and strong syndrome so prevalent in America today. Way I see it is if they think Wow is so "l33t" and whatever other mmorpg is not, than stay on Wow, no one asked for you to bring whatever malaise seems to infect its populace to other virtual worlds. I had a global friend, when I played Coh, that was a Wow GM and he loved it, the community, the teamwork, the action. It had the things that rpgs have had since the days of pen and paper expressed in a super hero universe, things the modern wow consumer doesn't realized he's missing, to them its all just a race, with little regard for the journey, or their fellow travelers.
I heard some replys in this thread, saying things like
"WoW Players always bringing up the term WOW CLONE in the chat"
but really? Are these the WoW Players/fans bringing that up?
Just look at this forum. How often do you see the term WoW clone thrown around here? And its always seems to be by the same people that say they hate WoW.
Just take a look/search of the Warhammer 40k MMO subforum and you will see a vast amount of people complaining about Warhammer being a WoW clone, and that they hate WoW.
Are they the WoW Players/Fans you speak of?
Seems silly to me, that in most cases, the Elite WoW Haters, take and read what they want to see, and change words to fit their agenda.
For example;
I have made threads talking about features in WoW, and the first thing a WoW hater does, is come into the thread to troll, about something, saying things like "WOW DIDNT INVENT THOSE FEATURES"
but how in the world did the wow hater, get the idea that anybody said WoW invented anything? listing features in WoW, and just that,,, listing features in WoW. nobody said WoW invented anything,,,, the WoW hater assumes that in any thread that speaks positively about WoW.
I dont play WoW for 1 and half year now, I'm playing EVE in a very casual way (not a very smart move) and I have to "defend" WoW a bit here. All my friends that still play, says the game is better than ever and finally, 5 men partys and etcs are extremely dificult. This coming from vets...
So please, dont say WoW is for noobs cause its easy, because its not easy. Really isnt. Try it, lvl 85 heroic partys. Really, lvl a toon and do it.
I also have to say that everytime someone ask me what other mmo's I played, I have to say all except WoW. Just to avoid moronic comments like "ohh. so you're a WoW noob scrub bla bla bla" and get a crap sign on my head just because of that.
Its so silly, immature and unrealistic.
I do assume that the comunity was the thing that made me give up on WoW. Mostly cause many old "friends" tend to forget people when your gear is outdated. Thank god i made some real life friends there and those never changed. A big /cuddle to them!
About the new mmo's that came out after WoW, to be really trully f...g honest. No thanks! I prefer all the old mmo's... pre WoW or from same period. All that comes out now, really... stop making silly bugged, no content and missing features. Years have passed, we kinda demand polished products and with content if possible. (I really thanks Blizzard for that)
For some reason I'm playing EVE atm, as casual and with a single acc (I'm a Ninja looter, perfect for casual ^^). I know... I'm doomed. Doesnt matter, at least i knew what I was getting into.
Just dont tolerate the robbery in MMO market please. "This game is THE THING"... zum zum zum, people buy and then buy another and another.... and dont stick to none.
"WoW Players always bringing up the term WOW CLONE in the chat"
but really? Are these the WoW Players/fans bringing that up?
Nah, it is a generally stupid way of saying "We seen most of the features before".
The game everyone really is "cloning" or inspired by is really not Wow and not even EQ, It is Meridian 59. It invented most of the features we usually think of when we think of a MMO.
But the whole issue of this thread is more about stupid people. Some stupid people play Wow and jump back and forth to other games while complaining on how much better Wow is. Other stupid people confuses these people with everyone who played Wow ever...
If you are playing a game and someone spams the chat with reasons why Wow is a better game asking him why he isn't playing Wow is not that illogical. But to do the same as soon as anyone comments on a bug that needs to be fixed is really idiotic.
Most MMO players are actually nice people, both Wow players and for that matter any other game and we all know that if a Darkfall player and a Wow player are at the same party as a bunch soccer fans they will be best buddies at the time and ignore the sportsfans while speaking games.
But a few idiots are for some reason always louder than 20 times their number of nice people.
I'll throw in my 2 cents, why not? Seems everyone else has. Wow is not to blame for the jerks we see and hear about. The problem is this genre is no longer for the few who took the time to understand how a computer works. That, and now everyone owns one.
There was a time when even the simple task of loading a game and getting it to properly play took a little thought.
So I'm gonna blame microsoft for making an OS that's idiot friendly, and the devs for making games where you dont have to stare at a config.sys file for an hour just to get the sound to work. (Azzhat buffer).. lol
Other games also have community just as bad. take a look at the jokes in Guild Wars. they even have more people with childish names and such. You admit to other games having this, so why shun WoW players.
And whats wrong with WoW players talking about negative features in a mmorpg, and comparing something to WoW?
Its the internet, most people here cant/wont read a reply to try to understand it. even I skimmed your reply here.
But what better way to make a point then by pointing out your idea/suggestion, as already seen else where (WoW) for a visual explanation of what you speak of?
I see nothing wrong with that.
That little blurb right there does nothing to bolster your credibility. All it does is make your sound like a hypocrite. You condemn yet you're more then likely just as guilty of the offenses you claim were commited against you.
Playing the victim will win you no favor here. Your polarized view prevents you form at the very least seeing the other side of the equation. Go read the "girlfriend" analogy posted a page or 2 back, and then see if you can come up with some kind of argument. I highly doubt you will simply because as it stands now you've completely ignored it due to your inability to counter it.
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You know I play MMOs for 8 years and have played pretty much everything. For many years, Everquest 2, SWG, CoX, and LOTRO. <span title="Aber die Spieler in WOW schlagen alles bisher Dagewesene in Punkto unsoziales Verhalten um L
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Just a little sidenote(something for the WoW players to think about): The only way someone will know your a WoW player is if you tell them. If you dont want to be judged on the fact you play WoW dont talk about WoW when your not playing WoW. Otherwise grow a pair and quit whining about other people bashing WoW when your playing a game other than WoW.
People say negative things about every topic every day of the week. You can CHOOSE to be offended or you can ignore it. The choice is yours. If you wish to be offended and thus get into a fight just expect to be slammed a time or two. Thats part of life. Just dont expect much sympathy from anyone else unless they are your mom, wife or girlfriend.
I skimmed through the thread here, and just have a few thing to say:
1.) When you see anything similar to "Go back to WoW," or "Stay in Azeroth, we don't want you here..." etc... in in-game chat, those are DIRECTED to one, or a few, ACTIVELY comparing about WoW and talking about why the new game will fail because it is not like WoW. So if you are on the sideline, and you do play WoW, those statements are not directed to you, then why would people be offended by it?
2.) ALL gamers have some elitism in them. There are elitism in the group of gamers who plays MMORPG before WoW that consider WoW in low regard, and that WoW is just bad for the MMORPG genre. And there are elitism in the group of gamers who plays WoW that holds it to be THE MMORPG, and that there will be no other MMORPG that can compare to it. And there are those who plays too many MMORPG to care about WoW, and consider elitism in the two group above to be moronic. THAT in itself is another form of elitism.
So why complain about one when all of them is bad and not helpful to both the games and gamers?
3.) Not every game needs to have subscription number as large as WoW to be consider a success, unless the company are aiming for that, but generally those company and their game failed not only because of not having enough players, but have their focus to become "WoW Killer", which will never happen.
4.) Generally I find that as long as you are civil and friendly in the discussion of game mechanics, comparison to WoW is considered ok. But if you say "<insert game title/mechanic> sucks, they copied WoW" and do not go into detail and give constructive ideas in the discussion, then of course people get irritated and say "Go back to WoW", etc...
I don't really care about if people play WoW. I never tell anybody to go back to WoW etc, but some WoW guys can be annoying. The type I'm talking about are the people who only play WoW and will never give another game a fair chance. I have RL friends that are this way. They might try a new game, but never give it a chance. Instead they talk about but WoW does this, and WoW does that, and WoW is better. It gets old after a while.
Look its all numbers here guys, simple statistics.
lets say 10% of every games community are total asses that you just can't take out in public, pretty good guess I'd say, every game has them. In WoW that makes 1.4 million asshats that shouldnt' be let out of mommy's basement. For every other game thats maybe 30k if that. So what happens when you let those 1.4 million lose around civilized people? Yup, you get what you get. It doesn't matter if the other 13.86 million are really great people or not does it? It all boils down to all those trash heads totally destroying everything they touch when they come out in public.
It's not an elitist attitude at all to recognize bad people and point them out. The problem is there is FAR more being pointed out that come from WoW. And what makes it worse, most of the bad ones being pointed out, love to make sure EVERYONE knows they come from WoW.
Look no further than the Rift forums and you should understand why people from other games are sick of WoW fanboys. The usual way seems to be like this:
A new game is coming out, nearing release (open beta) you for sure get tons of fanboys flooding aka spaming the forum how their beloved WoW is so much better, this game will fail if they do not add feature X from WoW. Using excuses such as -more accessible- -fun- and all that stupid stuff. During the years people in other games have taken a large front against them, cause they fear the devs could listen to this whiny bunch.
If those guys, gals cant play without crap like dungeonfinders, nameplates, handholding all over the world and millions of addons that are playing the game for you...well its better for both sides if they are staying in Azeroth or simple go back to WoW.
Dont get me wrong I liked the game till mid BC, cause of the small vocal forum whiner mentality the game and the community gone downhill in almost no time.
There are reasons why people are looking for other games, many are sick of easymode, a rediculous -community- and dont forget: WoW.
Developers just have to understand that this players as vocal as they ware arent the majority. Hell I would prefer if MMORPGs would shutdown the offical forum, maybe! open it 2 months from launch, just having an ingame form for sending bug reports.
We need a MMORPG Cataclysm asap, finish the dark age of MMORPGS now!
"Everything you're bitching about is wrong. People don't have the time to invest in corpse runs, impossible zones, or long winded quests. Sometimes, they just want to pop on and play." "Then maybe MMORPGs aren't for you."
Developers just have to understand that this players as vocal as they ware arent the majority. Hell I would prefer if MMORPGs would shutdown the offical forum, maybe! open it 2 months from launch, just having an ingame form for sending bug reports.
You know what I miss the most, and one of the things I honestly believe made the game what it was, thats the class leaders in the DAoC forum model. Each class had its own forums, and each forum had its designaded class leader, someone with experience playing that class in game and most of them were voted into the position by all those other players who played the class - thier elected representative. What was talked about in that class forums was collected by the leader, weighed for relevance, and he/she made reports to the devs on a regular basis of what they felt (what thier class community felt) was the changes best suited to the game. The devs then took that advice from each class leader and used it to shape the game. There is not now, and hasn't been since then, a game forum system that dedicated to a player interface like DAoC did back in the day. And every game since then has paid for the lack of in one way or another, WoW is one of those that has paid dearly with thier reputation.
Im going to have to agree with the OP here... WOW is a great game and WOW is not the problem... Other developers should stop trying to make WOW 2
LOTRO, AOC, WAR, CHAMPIONS ONLINE, STAR TREK ONLINE, SWTOR etc etc etc... all have they tried to copy paste WOW... they ad a few things but in the end its the, SLOT machine we all are so used to by now. its Classes, its raids, its Quest, its so dumb down that I can play it with one hand while I watch TV.
Im not Upset about World of Warcraft but we only need one on the Market .
The fact that World of Warcraft also is very easy to play I think adds to the hole thing. But the fact is its the best SLot machine, mouse Wheel game on the market today...
I can understand the points that the OP makes, but i think his answer lies with most of the responses. Its the small minority who bleet the loudest who tar the rest with the same brush. i doubt there are many if any people out there who play mmo's who havent at one time or another played WoW. But its always either one point or another that frove them away from WoW whatever that may be. Not here to hack on the game. but my point is, i was recently in the DCUO beta. there was a person on who complained for at least 5 minutes about how crap the game was compared to wow etc etc. it didnt take to long for someone to bite back with the "#### off back to Azeroth then."
when playing another game, we dont want to hear about WoW or otherwise we would be playing it. also people want WoW 2 or otherwise they wouldnt bitch and moan everytime another game comes out and compare it to WoW. As one person says, just go and have a look at half of the rift/SWToR forums and you'll see what we mean. an opinion is great, but if we dont agree with your opinion dont try and ram it down our throats. we've tried WoW, we moved on. I think some of the fanboi's are getting to be like SWG pre crowd, very bitter and twisted to anything new.
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What people call wow players has little to do with how big the game is sub wise, its going on how the general player of the game is. I used to play wow, but then i relised the endgame sucked and was a total waste of my time due to no use for raid gear cept more carrot-on-a-stick raids. Decided that kind of endgame didn't appeal to me and I quit. Played for about 2 months recently.
Generalizations like these don't just come out of no where, there usually is a root cause, and that would be wow's notorious playerbase. You mention wow to someone and their reply usually is "Its that big mmorpg with the crappy community right?" least thats the reply I get.
"An MMORPG could be completely diffirent from WoW. Just look at games like Dofus, Wizard101 or EVE. But as it is, most of the Western MMOs are trying to succeed by out-WoWing WoW. It's like an army of 10 sports games made about same sports, and barely none about other sports. WoW clone is an accurate description of those games, it manages to convey much information with only two words."
-Poster on mmorpg.com
Rift: World of Warcraft clone #9321 Nothing special to see here move along.
Never had that response myself.
I have played WoW for years now and while the WoW playerbase can get a bit rowdy it's nto actually that bad. EVE's playerbase on the other hand can get vicious.
Totally agree. Wow's player base has a lot of weirdos with anal games and similar stuff, while EVE has more egotistical people. I will always prefer weirdness to egotism, as egotism spreads like cancer, and never gives a laugh. WoW forums has a community similar to Eve's game community, but is still better too me because of the occassional jolly person that drops in.
Yeah, also I never got a response like scythe99, I usually get things similar to this: "oh that online game" from regular non-gamers, or "Yeah that loser game," or "The only non-loser MMO" (lol), from non MMO gamers. Mention other MMO's usually I get a "?" or a "game for losers," or "lol you play that!?!" Kind of off-topic, but it's sad the image people get of MMO gamers.
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@The first part of this
Other games also have community just as bad. take a look at the jokes in Guild Wars. they even have more people with childish names and such. You admit to other games having this, so why shun WoW players.
And whats wrong with WoW players talking about negative features in a mmorpg, and comparing something to WoW?
Its the internet, most people here cant/wont read a reply to try to understand it. even I skimmed your reply here.
But what better way to make a point then by pointing out your idea/suggestion, as already seen else where (WoW) for a visual explanation of what you speak of?
I see nothing wrong with that.
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My biggest problem when WoW players come to a new game that I am interested in is that:
1) All you see in general chat is how much better WoW is than the current game they are playing. Not a huge deal.
2) It puts an artificially high demand on the new game market. I see that most people that come from WoW and try new games actually have no desire to stick with the game, they just want to see what the hype is about. This either creates an absurd queue time on servers, or requires the game developer to supply an enormous amount of servers. Then when all the WoW players head back to WoW, they need to merge servers and what not once the population finally stabilizes.
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Lol. WoW too hard????? I think it was too easy to begin with. They practically spoonfed everything to you in the vanilla version all the way to Woltk. WoW= noob's paradise
-I am here to perform logic
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Asernine behavior pisses any decent person off regardless of the gaming resume of the offender, but the problem is Wow players take it to new heights of arrogance coupled with that certain brand of ignorance that causes one to think he's wise when he doesn't have a clue. Seems that because Wow was the first mmo experience of so many of its players and it is the big fish in the western market atm, that they believe whatever Wow is, is the ultimate. Or worse, that it is the origin. Its the wrong and strong syndrome so prevalent in America today. Way I see it is if they think Wow is so "l33t" and whatever other mmorpg is not, than stay on Wow, no one asked for you to bring whatever malaise seems to infect its populace to other virtual worlds. I had a global friend, when I played Coh, that was a Wow GM and he loved it, the community, the teamwork, the action. It had the things that rpgs have had since the days of pen and paper expressed in a super hero universe, things the modern wow consumer doesn't realized he's missing, to them its all just a race, with little regard for the journey, or their fellow travelers.
I heard some replys in this thread, saying things like
"WoW Players always bringing up the term WOW CLONE in the chat"
but really? Are these the WoW Players/fans bringing that up?
Just look at this forum. How often do you see the term WoW clone thrown around here? And its always seems to be by the same people that say they hate WoW.
Just take a look/search of the Warhammer 40k MMO subforum and you will see a vast amount of people complaining about Warhammer being a WoW clone, and that they hate WoW.
Are they the WoW Players/Fans you speak of?
Seems silly to me, that in most cases, the Elite WoW Haters, take and read what they want to see, and change words to fit their agenda.
For example;
I have made threads talking about features in WoW, and the first thing a WoW hater does, is come into the thread to troll, about something, saying things like "WOW DIDNT INVENT THOSE FEATURES"
but how in the world did the wow hater, get the idea that anybody said WoW invented anything? listing features in WoW, and just that,,, listing features in WoW. nobody said WoW invented anything,,,, the WoW hater assumes that in any thread that speaks positively about WoW.
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oh well...
I dont play WoW for 1 and half year now, I'm playing EVE in a very casual way (not a very smart move) and I have to "defend" WoW a bit here. All my friends that still play, says the game is better than ever and finally, 5 men partys and etcs are extremely dificult. This coming from vets...
So please, dont say WoW is for noobs cause its easy, because its not easy. Really isnt. Try it, lvl 85 heroic partys. Really, lvl a toon and do it.
I also have to say that everytime someone ask me what other mmo's I played, I have to say all except WoW. Just to avoid moronic comments like "ohh. so you're a WoW noob scrub bla bla bla" and get a crap sign on my head just because of that.
Its so silly, immature and unrealistic.
I do assume that the comunity was the thing that made me give up on WoW. Mostly cause many old "friends" tend to forget people when your gear is outdated. Thank god i made some real life friends there and those never changed. A big /cuddle to them!
About the new mmo's that came out after WoW, to be really trully f...g honest. No thanks! I prefer all the old mmo's... pre WoW or from same period. All that comes out now, really... stop making silly bugged, no content and missing features. Years have passed, we kinda demand polished products and with content if possible. (I really thanks Blizzard for that)
For some reason I'm playing EVE atm, as casual and with a single acc (I'm a Ninja looter, perfect for casual ^^). I know... I'm doomed. Doesnt matter, at least i knew what I was getting into.
Just dont tolerate the robbery in MMO market please. "This game is THE THING"... zum zum zum, people buy and then buy another and another.... and dont stick to none.
Peace!
Nah, it is a generally stupid way of saying "We seen most of the features before".
The game everyone really is "cloning" or inspired by is really not Wow and not even EQ, It is Meridian 59. It invented most of the features we usually think of when we think of a MMO.
But the whole issue of this thread is more about stupid people. Some stupid people play Wow and jump back and forth to other games while complaining on how much better Wow is. Other stupid people confuses these people with everyone who played Wow ever...
If you are playing a game and someone spams the chat with reasons why Wow is a better game asking him why he isn't playing Wow is not that illogical. But to do the same as soon as anyone comments on a bug that needs to be fixed is really idiotic.
Most MMO players are actually nice people, both Wow players and for that matter any other game and we all know that if a Darkfall player and a Wow player are at the same party as a bunch soccer fans they will be best buddies at the time and ignore the sportsfans while speaking games.
But a few idiots are for some reason always louder than 20 times their number of nice people.
Anonymous online avatars can be as hateful as they want without risk of being called out irl. Happens everywhere, not just wow.
I'll throw in my 2 cents, why not? Seems everyone else has. Wow is not to blame for the jerks we see and hear about. The problem is this genre is no longer for the few who took the time to understand how a computer works. That, and now everyone owns one.
There was a time when even the simple task of loading a game and getting it to properly play took a little thought.
So I'm gonna blame microsoft for making an OS that's idiot friendly, and the devs for making games where you dont have to stare at a config.sys file for an hour just to get the sound to work. (Azzhat buffer).. lol
That little blurb right there does nothing to bolster your credibility. All it does is make your sound like a hypocrite. You condemn yet you're more then likely just as guilty of the offenses you claim were commited against you.
Playing the victim will win you no favor here. Your polarized view prevents you form at the very least seeing the other side of the equation. Go read the "girlfriend" analogy posted a page or 2 back, and then see if you can come up with some kind of argument. I highly doubt you will simply because as it stands now you've completely ignored it due to your inability to counter it.
No required quests! And if I decide I want to be an assassin-cartographer-dancer-pastry chef who lives only to stalk and kill interior decorators, then that's who I want to be, even if it takes me four years to max all the skills and everyone else thinks I'm freaking nuts. -Madimorga-
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You know I play MMOs for 8 years and have played pretty much everything. For many years, Everquest 2, SWG, CoX, and LOTRO. <span title="Aber die Spieler in WOW schlagen alles bisher Dagewesene in Punkto unsoziales Verhalten um L
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Just a little sidenote(something for the WoW players to think about): The only way someone will know your a WoW player is if you tell them. If you dont want to be judged on the fact you play WoW dont talk about WoW when your not playing WoW. Otherwise grow a pair and quit whining about other people bashing WoW when your playing a game other than WoW.
People say negative things about every topic every day of the week. You can CHOOSE to be offended or you can ignore it. The choice is yours. If you wish to be offended and thus get into a fight just expect to be slammed a time or two. Thats part of life. Just dont expect much sympathy from anyone else unless they are your mom, wife or girlfriend.
I skimmed through the thread here, and just have a few thing to say:
1.) When you see anything similar to "Go back to WoW," or "Stay in Azeroth, we don't want you here..." etc... in in-game chat, those are DIRECTED to one, or a few, ACTIVELY comparing about WoW and talking about why the new game will fail because it is not like WoW. So if you are on the sideline, and you do play WoW, those statements are not directed to you, then why would people be offended by it?
2.) ALL gamers have some elitism in them. There are elitism in the group of gamers who plays MMORPG before WoW that consider WoW in low regard, and that WoW is just bad for the MMORPG genre. And there are elitism in the group of gamers who plays WoW that holds it to be THE MMORPG, and that there will be no other MMORPG that can compare to it. And there are those who plays too many MMORPG to care about WoW, and consider elitism in the two group above to be moronic. THAT in itself is another form of elitism.
So why complain about one when all of them is bad and not helpful to both the games and gamers?
3.) Not every game needs to have subscription number as large as WoW to be consider a success, unless the company are aiming for that, but generally those company and their game failed not only because of not having enough players, but have their focus to become "WoW Killer", which will never happen.
4.) Generally I find that as long as you are civil and friendly in the discussion of game mechanics, comparison to WoW is considered ok. But if you say "<insert game title/mechanic> sucks, they copied WoW" and do not go into detail and give constructive ideas in the discussion, then of course people get irritated and say "Go back to WoW", etc...
Current MMO: FFXIV:ARR
Past MMO: Way too many (P2P and F2P)
Someone please explain to me what an "additude" is ?
I don't really care about if people play WoW. I never tell anybody to go back to WoW etc, but some WoW guys can be annoying. The type I'm talking about are the people who only play WoW and will never give another game a fair chance. I have RL friends that are this way. They might try a new game, but never give it a chance. Instead they talk about but WoW does this, and WoW does that, and WoW is better. It gets old after a while.
Look its all numbers here guys, simple statistics.
lets say 10% of every games community are total asses that you just can't take out in public, pretty good guess I'd say, every game has them. In WoW that makes 1.4 million asshats that shouldnt' be let out of mommy's basement. For every other game thats maybe 30k if that. So what happens when you let those 1.4 million lose around civilized people? Yup, you get what you get. It doesn't matter if the other 13.86 million are really great people or not does it? It all boils down to all those trash heads totally destroying everything they touch when they come out in public.
It's not an elitist attitude at all to recognize bad people and point them out. The problem is there is FAR more being pointed out that come from WoW. And what makes it worse, most of the bad ones being pointed out, love to make sure EVERYONE knows they come from WoW.
Look no further than the Rift forums and you should understand why people from other games are sick of WoW fanboys. The usual way seems to be like this:
A new game is coming out, nearing release (open beta) you for sure get tons of fanboys flooding aka spaming the forum how their beloved WoW is so much better, this game will fail if they do not add feature X from WoW. Using excuses such as -more accessible- -fun- and all that stupid stuff. During the years people in other games have taken a large front against them, cause they fear the devs could listen to this whiny bunch.
If those guys, gals cant play without crap like dungeonfinders, nameplates, handholding all over the world and millions of addons that are playing the game for you...well its better for both sides if they are staying in Azeroth or simple go back to WoW.
Dont get me wrong I liked the game till mid BC, cause of the small vocal forum whiner mentality the game and the community gone downhill in almost no time.
There are reasons why people are looking for other games, many are sick of easymode, a rediculous -community- and dont forget: WoW.
Developers just have to understand that this players as vocal as they ware arent the majority. Hell I would prefer if MMORPGs would shutdown the offical forum, maybe! open it 2 months from launch, just having an ingame form for sending bug reports.
We need a MMORPG Cataclysm asap, finish the dark age of MMORPGS now!
"Everything you're bitching about is wrong. People don't have the time to invest in corpse runs, impossible zones, or long winded quests. Sometimes, they just want to pop on and play."
"Then maybe MMORPGs aren't for you."
You know what I miss the most, and one of the things I honestly believe made the game what it was, thats the class leaders in the DAoC forum model. Each class had its own forums, and each forum had its designaded class leader, someone with experience playing that class in game and most of them were voted into the position by all those other players who played the class - thier elected representative. What was talked about in that class forums was collected by the leader, weighed for relevance, and he/she made reports to the devs on a regular basis of what they felt (what thier class community felt) was the changes best suited to the game. The devs then took that advice from each class leader and used it to shape the game. There is not now, and hasn't been since then, a game forum system that dedicated to a player interface like DAoC did back in the day. And every game since then has paid for the lack of in one way or another, WoW is one of those that has paid dearly with thier reputation.
Im going to have to agree with the OP here... WOW is a great game and WOW is not the problem... Other developers should stop trying to make WOW 2
LOTRO, AOC, WAR, CHAMPIONS ONLINE, STAR TREK ONLINE, SWTOR etc etc etc... all have they tried to copy paste WOW... they ad a few things but in the end its the, SLOT machine we all are so used to by now. its Classes, its raids, its Quest, its so dumb down that I can play it with one hand while I watch TV.
Im not Upset about World of Warcraft but we only need one on the Market .
The fact that World of Warcraft also is very easy to play I think adds to the hole thing. But the fact is its the best SLot machine, mouse Wheel game on the market today...
I can understand the points that the OP makes, but i think his answer lies with most of the responses. Its the small minority who bleet the loudest who tar the rest with the same brush. i doubt there are many if any people out there who play mmo's who havent at one time or another played WoW. But its always either one point or another that frove them away from WoW whatever that may be. Not here to hack on the game. but my point is, i was recently in the DCUO beta. there was a person on who complained for at least 5 minutes about how crap the game was compared to wow etc etc. it didnt take to long for someone to bite back with the "#### off back to Azeroth then."
when playing another game, we dont want to hear about WoW or otherwise we would be playing it. also people want WoW 2 or otherwise they wouldnt bitch and moan everytime another game comes out and compare it to WoW. As one person says, just go and have a look at half of the rift/SWToR forums and you'll see what we mean. an opinion is great, but if we dont agree with your opinion dont try and ram it down our throats. we've tried WoW, we moved on. I think some of the fanboi's are getting to be like SWG pre crowd, very bitter and twisted to anything new.