The truth is that fear is natural. What causes fear of purchase in the first place? Scared of not enjoying the game, but also scared of failure or being judged by others, not having friends jumping in to play with you.
What is the solution? People will take a path that has already been taken and follow it. If a majority say "we will not play this game", most people will think "well it must be a bad game". But the truth is, all of them are living the same fear as you do. Would you dance ballet? Probably not, yet I'm sure it's a pretty damn athletic sport actually! But who cares, I don't want to learn ballet either.
Now, why can't people chose for themselves what is fun and what isin't? This is exactly why everyone has to try the game, and why they are making the beta so easy to reach for everybody.
Finaly, people who WRITE about why they will NOT buy the game, have you thought about why they're doing it? Right. They say: "I will not play THIS game, but I will play THAT game.". They think that by discarding a game, they can hype their favorite game even more! Therefore maybe everyone will hype and follow them to play their game. This is very 8 years old and yet it still works.
Think for yourself if you want to try or not a game just throw in the 15$ and enjoy it.
Thank you!
I am thinking for myself. I could care less if my friends go off to play rift. If they find if fun let them go play it. I did not find it fun. It had nothing to do with fear, it had everything to do with the fun-factor for me. Telling folks they don't want to play rift because they are afraid their friends will not play it is pure bs.
lol, man, you sound like some self help evangaliser... I just wanted to thank you for a entertaining read before we get started :P
The truth is that fear is natural. What causes fear of purchase in the first place? Scared of not enjoying the game, but also scared of failure or being judged by others, not having friends jumping in to play with you.
I''m not 'scared' of Rift, I just know what it is, know it isnt for me, and I am not caught up in the hype zerg.
Finaly, people who WRITE about why they will NOT buy the game, have you thought about why they're doing it?
yes, we probably have.
We probably (definitely in my case) just like to talk about games we have tried and discuss opinions.
Who woulda thunk it on a discussion board eh?
Right. They say: "I will not play THIS game, but I will play THAT game.". They think that by discarding a game, they can hype their favorite game even more! Therefore maybe everyone will hype and follow them to play their game.
I really don't have a MMORPG to promote in this way right now, and certainly not one to defend. I don't have an active sub in any. I have just started GW, and thats fun, but I am certainly not scared of it being cost players... I won't be playing rift for it's own reasons, not any extrernal one.
I have noticed this in rift fans though.. you say you don't like Rift and you get a delige of 'you must hate MMOs!', or 'you are sick of games!', or 'you must be scared!'... there seems to be a real mental block in them just accepting SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIKE RIFT FOR THEIR OWN VALID REASONS.
Tbh, this who OP is such a load of new age flavoured assumptive twoddle I am suprised you wrote it, let alone anyone taking it seriously...
But, like I said at the top, thank you. It made me lol
I have a feeling a good percentage of those criticizing the game now, will end up buying it anyway from lack of better options in 2011.
lol no, I won't, I have no reason to.. loads of great well built games coming out while we wait for something better. Theres no reason to support medicroty and lazy design.
I actively won't support the kind of cheap half arsed development Rift represents anymore... I have to terms that the only way to get this industry to change is to not buy the crap (IMO) they shovel, even as a short term stop gap while waiting for a game that I actually want to play (as I have done so often in the past, and so many are doing with Rift), but to keep my cash in my pocket until they deliver.
I choose not to play Rift because I'm seriously am waiting for a different game, and in doing so I'm saving myself money. Why do people choose different car insurance? Why do people buy this car over that car? Its all the same.
I'm not about to play a game knowing full well that I'll be switching to another in a few months. I'd rather spend my time elsewhere. That doesn't mean that I personally hate Rift, but it also doesn't mean that I have to play it either. I don't "follow" the crowd, there's games out there that appeal to everyone's tastes, and we all so happen to have different tastes. Just stop generalizing and play the game you want to play, it doesn't matter what everyone else thinks of a game. Your opinion should be your decision. Don't worry about everyone else's decision.
Now, why can't people chose for themselves what is fun and what isin't? This is exactly why everyone has to try the game, and why they are making the beta so easy to reach for everybody.
People don't need you to tell them what game they should play. If someone told you to go back and give WoW (for example) a second chance or third or fourth, would you? Even if you are currently playing Rift? We all have our own choice. That's something you just have to accept.
If rift is simply a poorly done clone why is it getting the praise it's gotten through four beta events? If it's that meaningless why have the hatred and trolls surfaced and spout the same crap in every thread. Bad, meaningless games don't get this kind of attention. If rift was truly some pathetic clone that none of you were worried about you would have all stopped with the constant trolling and flaming a long time ago. The truth is while rift does barrow many of it's features what it does offer is pretty good and the game is well done and polished. From my experience on these forums people become threatened by this. What if through the popularity of rift every damn AAA developer suddenly decides Rifts way of doing things is the way to go? What happens then? 10 more years of rift clones? And IMO that's why I think many of you are afraid, not of the game itself but of it catching the eye of other devs and casting this genre even deeper into darkness.
Sure, but there are also those of us that want to order something different from the menu. Trouble is, the menu hasn't had much else to offer for a very long time. We're not afraid, we're fucking hungry! Big difference.
It's a decent game and it's well made. But it's just a good version of the same recycled crap we've seen for years. You may not be exhausted with these types of games, but many are, and there will come a time when you will be too.
I think the level of complaining we're seeing these days on the forums is just a symptom of a menu that is beyond severely lacking.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
If rift is simply a poorly done clone why is it getting the praise it's gotten through four beta events? If it's that meaningless why have the hatred and trolls surfaced and spout the same crap in every thread. Bad, meaningless games don't get this kind of attention. If rift was truly some pathetic clone that none of you were worried about you would have all stopped with the constant trolling and flaming a long time ago. The truth is while rift does barrow many of it's features what it does offer is pretty good and the game is well done and polished. From my experience on these forums people become threatened by this. What if through the popularity of rift every damn AAA developer suddenly decides Rifts way of doing things is the way to go? What happens then? 10 more years of rift clones? And IMO that's why I think many of you are afraid, not of the game itself but of it catching the eye of other devs and casting this genre even deeper into darkness.
Sure, but there are also those of us that want to order something different from the menu. Trouble is, the menu hasn't had much else to offer for a very long time. We're not afraid, we're fucking hungry! Big difference.
It's a decent game and it's well made. But it's just a good version of the same recycled crap we've seen for years. You may not be exhausted with these types of games, but many are, and there will come a time when you will be too.
I think the level of complaining we're seeing these days on the forums is just a symptom of a menu that is beyond severely lacking.
Your not the only one wanting something different. I just don't look toward a themepark to offer that. There's a reason that the last themepark I really spent major time with was WoW back in 2007. I knew that sub-genre was going to follow a similar gameplay model for a very long time so I stuck with games like EvE and Ryzom. We have games now that offer new gameplay experiences they just don't fall into the themepark sub-genre side of things.
If rift is simply a poorly done clone why is it getting the praise it's gotten through four beta events? If it's that meaningless why have the hatred and trolls surfaced and spout the same crap in every thread. Bad, meaningless games don't get this kind of attention. If rift was truly some pathetic clone that none of you were worried about you would have all stopped with the constant trolling and flaming a long time ago. The truth is while rift does barrow many of it's features what it does offer is pretty good and the game is well done and polished. From my experience on these forums people become threatened by this. What if through the popularity of rift every damn AAA developer suddenly decides Rifts way of doing things is the way to go? What happens then? 10 more years of rift clones? And IMO that's why I think many of you are afraid, not of the game itself but of it catching the eye of other devs and casting this genre even deeper into darkness.
Sure, but there are also those of us that want to order something different from the menu. Trouble is, the menu hasn't had much else to offer for a very long time. We're not afraid, we're fucking hungry! Big difference.
It's a decent game and it's well made. But it's just a good version of the same recycled crap we've seen for years. You may not be exhausted with these types of games, but many are, and there will come a time when you will be too.
I think the level of complaining we're seeing these days on the forums is just a symptom of a menu that is beyond severely lacking.
Your not the only one wanting something different. I just don't look toward a themepark to offer that. There's a reason that the last themepark I really spent major time with was WoW back in 2007. I knew that sub-genre was going to follow a similar gameplay model for a very long time so I stuck with games like EvE and Ryzom. We have games now that offer new gameplay experiences they just don't fall into the themepark sub-genre side of things.
There is nothing in the word 'themepark' that says it can't have some original thought in it or not follow such a narrow and linear build as Rift.
Rift isnt a limited and dissapointed game for me because it's a themeapark, I have played and enjoyed many (I am having a blast in GW right now), it is because it is full of insepid and lazy design.
It's a shame you expect so little of it, simply because it's a 'themepark'. It's almost like it gets a free pass for being crap.
Finaly, people who WRITE about why they will NOT buy the game, have you thought about why they're doing it? Right. They say: "I will not play THIS game, but I will play THAT game.". They think that by discarding a game, they can hype their favorite game even more! Therefore maybe everyone will hype and follow them to play their game. This is very 8 years old and yet it still works.
Think for yourself if you want to try or not a game just throw in the 15$ and enjoy it.
Thank you!
First of all, your post here comes across as very arrogant. Feigning to know what is good for anyone other than yourself is pretty grandiose thinking. Not sure you realized that, so I'm letting you know.
Number one:
I don't think you're a psychologist nor any other type of professional that would cause me to place any weight on your assessment of "whys." For anything. At all.
Number two:
Perhaps people write about their negative views of a game because someone started a thread discussing it and they wanted to share their experiences and thoughts like everyone else? Ya think? Just because YOU obviously have nefarious motives in advertising your favorite game doesn't mean that everyone reviewing the game does. You're projecting your own issues on to others (see....I can play pretend shrink too).
Number three:
MOST adults don't need to be told to try things. They try things that interest them. Or put another way: I'll spend my 15 bucks a month and game price WHERE I want to and WHEN I want to, thank you very much.
There are already too many threads pro and con about Rift. Is there a need to rehash all that in another one, or did you just start this thread to chastise the people that don't agree with you? That is not a rhetorical question, by the way. I would really like to know.
I totally agree with Just1opinon. There's no reason for this arguement at all, ppl will buy what they want, and who fears a game anyway..it's a game, it's not real life. Someone needs to turn the computer off me thinks. Maybe fear isn't the best word as a another poster stated.
I'd hardly call any game that developers find worthwhile enough to keep up and running a "failure". Maybe it's not a complete success, but none of the MMOs listed thus far were actual failures that had to shutdown like Auto Assault, APB, The Matrix, Tabula Rasa, etc.
How can someone claim DCUO is a failure when it's only been released for a few days now, and actually has had decent sales for a PC game? Aion could actually be considered a success since it maintains very healthy numbers in Korea. What exactly qualifies as a failure? How many subs are we talking about here? Are we only talking about NA subscribers? I just think it's a bit unfair to call these games failures.
Sorry for the slightly off-topic rant there.
The word "failure" is ridiculously mis-used around here. Many times the words "it failed" means "I didn't like it". But of course, people can seldom just speak for themselves, or simply voice their own opinion as just that... their opinion. They must make it sound more important, more profound, more damning... Thus... "I didn't really like the game" becomes "the game failed". To give it some perspective, consider that there are people who openly state that WoW is a failed MMO. It's all posturing.
Speaking of posturing...
To the OP. I think what you're touching on there is something known as "peer pressure". People want to be part of "the in crowd" and fear being mocked if they aren't. As Neil Peart once wrote in the song Subdivisions: "Be cool or be cast out", and "Conform or be cast out". That's really all it boils down to.
For myself... "fear" has nothing to do with it. I am idly following Rift, seeing how it all pans out in live release and such and might check it out at some point. At this point, though, I simply have very little interest in playing it as it sounds fundamentally too much like other MMOs I've already played..
That said... I would recommend being careful when you go around describing what you say as "the truth" in situations like this. It does ring as a bit arrogant and presumptious. Also, I forget where I read or heard it, but it's been said that while it's fine to admire and listen to those who seek the Truth, one should be wary of those who claim to know it.
While some will cave to peer pressure and/or want to always keep themselves where all "the cool kids" are... people typically reach their own conclusions and make their own decisions.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Finaly, people who WRITE about why they will NOT buy the game, have you thought about why they're doing it? Right. They say: "I will not play THIS game, but I will play THAT game.". They think that by discarding a game, they can hype their favorite game even more! Therefore maybe everyone will hype and follow them to play their game. This is very 8 years old and yet it still works.
Think for yourself if you want to try or not a game just throw in the 15$ and enjoy it.
Thank you!
First of all, your post here comes across as very arrogant. Feigning to know what is good for anyone other than yourself is pretty grandiose thinking. Not sure you realized that, so I'm letting you know.
Number one:
I don't think you're a psychologist nor any other type of professional that would cause me to place any weight on your assessment of "whys." For anything. At all.
Number two:
Perhaps people write about their negative views of a game because someone started a thread discussing it and they wanted to share their experiences and thoughts like everyone else? Ya think? Just because YOU obviously have nefarious motives in advertising your favorite game doesn't mean that everyone reviewing the game does. You're projecting your own issues on to others (see....I can play pretend shrink too).
Number three:
MOST adults don't need to be told to try things. They try things that interest them. Or put another way: I'll spend my 15 bucks a month and game price WHERE I want to and WHEN I want to, thank you very much.
There are already too many threads pro and con about Rift. Is there a need to rehash all that in another one, or did you just start this thread to chastise the people that don't agree with you? That is not a rhetorical question, by the way. I would really like to know.
I totally agree with Just1opinon. There's no reason for this arguement at all, ppl will buy what they want, and who fears a game anyway..it's a game, it's not real life. Someone needs to turn the computer off me thinks. Maybe fear isn't the best word as a another poster stated.
but it's exactly the right word to troll the people not in the rift hype zerg, right?
The problem is that everyone pretty much wants a cookie-cutter WoW with 10x better graphics. However whenever a game does something like that it gets flamed and burned. So developers are stuck in a rut as to either doing something original which is hard to do at this point. Or follow a boilerplate to come up with something people will be firmaliar with and enjoy. In any case MMO's are a crap shoot. You either are going to jump in or not. With so many people throwing their views left and right it's hard to make up your own mind.
The problem is that everyone pretty much wants a cookie-cutter WoW
That's pretty scary.
I just think that none of these new mmorpg's really bring anything new or creative to the genre.
What people should be thinking about is what game looks good to them that will fill there time and entertain them. I mean how many more or different ways can you do the same thing?
Originally posted by inaliz Originally posted by Sunioj The problem is that everyone pretty much wants a cookie-cutter WoW
That's pretty scary.
I just think that none of these new mmorpg's really bring anything new or creative to the genre.
People want something to do that's entertaining. When it comes to games, they want a game that is accessible, has all the promised features and has a bit of polish. They do not want games that are released before they're ready because the developer ran out of money. You could make an accessible PvE game with mostly sandbox features and it would probably do very well if it released with the promised features and had a little bit of polish. You could mix Animal Crossing and Farmville in a Wild West or Victorian setting and it would do very well. Both games (while limited) are very sandboxy and draw a great many players. Neither is like WoW.
What was the point of this thread? Oh...yeah. I think the OP has some interesting points. Two or three people I work with are interested in Rift and they hadn't heard of it until I played it and posted some screenshots. Word of mouth alone increased the potential sales for that game. This doesn't work if the game doesn't draw in at least one person and entertain them.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
i have a feeling most people who buy this game won't be playing it 2 months after release.
Agreed.
The hype is deafening no doubt but the game is shallow and dull. I liked every other MMO I've played better than this game but somehow this is supposed to be the "WoW-Killer"?
Yeah ok, whatever, we'll see...
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
I don't think it is so much fear as being judicious with ones time and resources. I think its always good to analyze what you are going to spend your time and money on. Of course, there are those who have nothing good to say about anything and their opinions when considering a game should be taken with a grain of salt. Thats why an open beta or free trial are always good. they give you that chance to make good decisions without cost.
I have a feeling a good percentage of those criticizing the game now, will end up buying it anyway from lack of better options in 2011.
- Guild Wars 2
- Star Wars the old republic
- DC Universe
- Tera Online
- Secret World (late 2011 eta)
- Jumpgate Evolution
- Earthrise
- The Agency
- Diablo 3 (late 2011, not exactly mmorpg)
- Gods & Heroes
- Firefall
Hmm... yeah totally a lack of choices. By the way, I am being sarcastic. Here's my prediction, a large portion of Rift's population after lauch will leave due to boredom at the dreaded 3 month mark, and another large chunk around 5-6 months.
There are some very good choices here, and some of them I had forgotten about.
I'd just like to mention that the release date for some of these is not 2011, but probably early 2012.
Tera's Korean producers have said that a Western beta isn't scheduled until late 2011. If that game does manage to release in the West this year then it's going to be right toward the end of the year.
Guild Wars 2 is anybody's guess, but most people are guessing that it will probably be 2012. I'm not sure what they're basing their guess on, but this seems to be what most articles are suggesting.
SW:TOR is always reported as having a long way to go, so I suspect early to late-early 2012 for that one as well.
Let's not get our hopes up. Me, I'll be looking forward to seeing what The Secret World is actually like, and I'm keeping my eyes on a couple of others. Why can't World of Darkness be finished this year? hah!
I think that Rift's biggest problem is the first starting area is really boring. I know it's set up for people who've never played MMOs before, but it isn't exciting and is very going through the motions for anyone with MMO experience. As far as this game not lasting two months, I have a feeling it will. A year? Who knows.
I do think it's fair to say that some people are concerned ( I wouldn't say scared) that Rift will get big. This will entice more developers to continue the traditional MMO format, instead of thinking outside of the box. But there is a market for those type of games.
I personally like the traditional MMO format, but I am bored of the current implimentations of it. I came into Beta with low expectations. Those expectations were met, so I wasn't instantly revolted by the game. I continued playing and started realizing that Rift had depth. It's not a shallow game, it just takes awhile to get past that first dull, outershell. I work a lot and I like the fact that this game is accessible, but offers a challenge.
EVE seems like an awesome game, completely different from the traditional MMO style. I never found time to really figure out how to play the game, so never stuck with it. I mean I figured some stuff out, but I would never say I knew everything I was doing. That's an example of a great MMO that's not like WoW or anything else traditional, but I'm not playing it. I will be playing Rift.
I guess traditional works for people like me, whom have a firm understanding of the traditional MMO format and wanting a new take or evolution into that format. It's like if I bought a FPS. I would expect certain fundamental things about the game to be true and they are. Sure games have different art style, different stories, different creatures and events; but the HUD is almost always similar. People who play FPS seem to like that. I don't usually see them demanding a new type of game style or attack another game for having the same HUD style.
I have a feeling a good percentage of those criticizing the game now, will end up buying it anyway from lack of better options in 2011.
- Guild Wars 2
- Star Wars the old republic
- DC Universe
- Tera Online
- Secret World (late 2011 eta)
- Jumpgate Evolution
- Earthrise
- The Agency
- Diablo 3 (late 2011, not exactly mmorpg)
- Gods & Heroes
- Firefall
Hmm... yeah totally a lack of choices. By the way, I am being sarcastic. Here's my prediction, a large portion of Rift's population after lauch will leave due to boredom at the dreaded 3 month mark, and another large chunk around 5-6 months.
There are some very good choices here, and some of them I had forgotten about.
I'd just like to mention that the release date for some of these is not 2011, but probably early 2012.
Tera's Korean producers have said that a Western beta isn't scheduled until late 2011. If that game does manage to release in the West this year then it's going to be right toward the end of the year.
Guild Wars 2 is anybody's guess, but most people are guessing that it will probably be 2012. I'm not sure what they're basing their guess on, but this seems to be what most articles are suggesting.
SW:TOR is always reported as having a long way to go, so I suspect early to late-early 2012 for that one as well.
Let's not get our hopes up. Me, I'll be looking forward to seeing what The Secret World is actually like, and I'm keeping my eyes on a couple of others. Why can't World of Darkness be finished this year? hah!
Anyway, I'm out of this troll thread. /bye
WoD isn't even in production yet We have at least 4+ year wait I'd imagine.
I usually buy and play a game if I am interested on it. I do research on the web and try to beta test if possible. If I like I buy and play untill I am bored. Then I start researching for the next one. I can assure I don´t have any fear on trying a game. I have been a gamer since the 80s.
I don´t care about what people think or say about me playing this or that game. In fact I am the one who ussualy buy and play games first and then drag some friends on them if I like it.
I read about Rift, liked it, tried the Beta and got bored in few hours. nothing new for me there. And the performance was dissapointing.
I usually buy and play a game if I am interested on it. I do research on the web and try to beta test if possible. If I like I buy and play untill I am bored. Then I start researching for the next one. I can assure I don´t have any fear on trying a game. I have been a gamer since the 80s.
I don´t care about what people think or say about me playing this or that game. In fact I am the one who ussualy buy and play games first and then drag some friends on them if I like it.
I read about Rift, liked it, tried the Beta and got bored in few hours. nothing new for me there. And the performance was dissapointing.
ll wait for Tera and GW2.
If Rift bored you, TERA is going to be worse. It is a lot more grindy than even Aion was.
Originally posted by lunatis The truth is that fear is natural. What causes fear of purchase in the first place? Scared of not enjoying the game, but also scared of failure or being judged by others, not having friends jumping in to play with you. What is the solution? People will take a path that has already been taken and follow it. If a majority say "we will not play this game", most people will think "well it must be a bad game". But the truth is, all of them are living the same fear as you do. Would you dance ballet? Probably not, yet I'm sure it's a pretty damn athletic sport actually! But who cares, I don't want to learn ballet either. Now, why can't people chose for themselves what is fun and what isin't? This is exactly why everyone has to try the game, and why they are making the beta so easy to reach for everybody. Finaly, people who WRITE about why they will NOT buy the game, have you thought about why they're doing it? Right. They say: "I will not play THIS game, but I will play THAT game.". They think that by discarding a game, they can hype their favorite game even more! Therefore maybe everyone will hype and follow them to play their game. This is very 8 years old and yet it still works. Think for yourself if you want to try or not a game just throw in the 15$ and enjoy it. Thank you!
No Lunatis the reason people are "scared" (silly phrase as no one is scared) is that RIFT is a complete copy in terms of game play of all the other EQ clones out there. It offers nothing original to the MMO Genre apart from a bit of fancy graphics.
When oh when are MMO developers going to stop this endless stream of junk .....
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I am thinking for myself. I could care less if my friends go off to play rift. If they find if fun let them go play it. I did not find it fun. It had nothing to do with fear, it had everything to do with the fun-factor for me. Telling folks they don't want to play rift because they are afraid their friends will not play it is pure bs.
lol no, I won't, I have no reason to.. loads of great well built games coming out while we wait for something better. Theres no reason to support medicroty and lazy design.
I actively won't support the kind of cheap half arsed development Rift represents anymore... I have to terms that the only way to get this industry to change is to not buy the crap (IMO) they shovel, even as a short term stop gap while waiting for a game that I actually want to play (as I have done so often in the past, and so many are doing with Rift), but to keep my cash in my pocket until they deliver.
I will give Rifts a shot. I will also purchase, SWTOR, TERA, GW3, and probably a couple of others.
I enjoy giving games a shot.
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I choose not to play Rift because I'm seriously am waiting for a different game, and in doing so I'm saving myself money. Why do people choose different car insurance? Why do people buy this car over that car? Its all the same.
I'm not about to play a game knowing full well that I'll be switching to another in a few months. I'd rather spend my time elsewhere. That doesn't mean that I personally hate Rift, but it also doesn't mean that I have to play it either. I don't "follow" the crowd, there's games out there that appeal to everyone's tastes, and we all so happen to have different tastes. Just stop generalizing and play the game you want to play, it doesn't matter what everyone else thinks of a game. Your opinion should be your decision. Don't worry about everyone else's decision.
Now, why can't people chose for themselves what is fun and what isin't? This is exactly why everyone has to try the game, and why they are making the beta so easy to reach for everybody.
People don't need you to tell them what game they should play. If someone told you to go back and give WoW (for example) a second chance or third or fourth, would you? Even if you are currently playing Rift? We all have our own choice. That's something you just have to accept.
Sure, but there are also those of us that want to order something different from the menu. Trouble is, the menu hasn't had much else to offer for a very long time. We're not afraid, we're fucking hungry! Big difference.
It's a decent game and it's well made. But it's just a good version of the same recycled crap we've seen for years. You may not be exhausted with these types of games, but many are, and there will come a time when you will be too.
I think the level of complaining we're seeing these days on the forums is just a symptom of a menu that is beyond severely lacking.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Sure, but there are also those of us that want to order something different from the menu. Trouble is, the menu hasn't had much else to offer for a very long time. We're not afraid, we're fucking hungry! Big difference.
It's a decent game and it's well made. But it's just a good version of the same recycled crap we've seen for years. You may not be exhausted with these types of games, but many are, and there will come a time when you will be too.
I think the level of complaining we're seeing these days on the forums is just a symptom of a menu that is beyond severely lacking.
Your not the only one wanting something different. I just don't look toward a themepark to offer that. There's a reason that the last themepark I really spent major time with was WoW back in 2007. I knew that sub-genre was going to follow a similar gameplay model for a very long time so I stuck with games like EvE and Ryzom. We have games now that offer new gameplay experiences they just don't fall into the themepark sub-genre side of things.Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
There is nothing in the word 'themepark' that says it can't have some original thought in it or not follow such a narrow and linear build as Rift.
Rift isnt a limited and dissapointed game for me because it's a themeapark, I have played and enjoyed many (I am having a blast in GW right now), it is because it is full of insepid and lazy design.
It's a shame you expect so little of it, simply because it's a 'themepark'. It's almost like it gets a free pass for being crap.
I totally agree with Just1opinon. There's no reason for this arguement at all, ppl will buy what they want, and who fears a game anyway..it's a game, it's not real life. Someone needs to turn the computer off me thinks. Maybe fear isn't the best word as a another poster stated.
The word "failure" is ridiculously mis-used around here. Many times the words "it failed" means "I didn't like it". But of course, people can seldom just speak for themselves, or simply voice their own opinion as just that... their opinion. They must make it sound more important, more profound, more damning... Thus... "I didn't really like the game" becomes "the game failed". To give it some perspective, consider that there are people who openly state that WoW is a failed MMO. It's all posturing.
Speaking of posturing...
To the OP. I think what you're touching on there is something known as "peer pressure". People want to be part of "the in crowd" and fear being mocked if they aren't. As Neil Peart once wrote in the song Subdivisions: "Be cool or be cast out", and "Conform or be cast out". That's really all it boils down to.
For myself... "fear" has nothing to do with it. I am idly following Rift, seeing how it all pans out in live release and such and might check it out at some point. At this point, though, I simply have very little interest in playing it as it sounds fundamentally too much like other MMOs I've already played..
That said... I would recommend being careful when you go around describing what you say as "the truth" in situations like this. It does ring as a bit arrogant and presumptious. Also, I forget where I read or heard it, but it's been said that while it's fine to admire and listen to those who seek the Truth, one should be wary of those who claim to know it.
While some will cave to peer pressure and/or want to always keep themselves where all "the cool kids" are... people typically reach their own conclusions and make their own decisions.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
but it's exactly the right word to troll the people not in the rift hype zerg, right?
I agree with your post, naturally.
The problem is that everyone pretty much wants a cookie-cutter WoW with 10x better graphics. However whenever a game does something like that it gets flamed and burned. So developers are stuck in a rut as to either doing something original which is hard to do at this point. Or follow a boilerplate to come up with something people will be firmaliar with and enjoy. In any case MMO's are a crap shoot. You either are going to jump in or not. With so many people throwing their views left and right it's hard to make up your own mind.
Momo sucks, I have proof.
That's pretty scary.
I just think that none of these new mmorpg's really bring anything new or creative to the genre.
What people should be thinking about is what game looks good to them that will fill there time and entertain them. I mean how many more or different ways can you do the same thing?
Momo sucks, I have proof.
I just think that none of these new mmorpg's really bring anything new or creative to the genre.
People want something to do that's entertaining. When it comes to games, they want a game that is accessible, has all the promised features and has a bit of polish. They do not want games that are released before they're ready because the developer ran out of money. You could make an accessible PvE game with mostly sandbox features and it would probably do very well if it released with the promised features and had a little bit of polish. You could mix Animal Crossing and Farmville in a Wild West or Victorian setting and it would do very well. Both games (while limited) are very sandboxy and draw a great many players. Neither is like WoW.
What was the point of this thread? Oh...yeah. I think the OP has some interesting points. Two or three people I work with are interested in Rift and they hadn't heard of it until I played it and posted some screenshots. Word of mouth alone increased the potential sales for that game. This doesn't work if the game doesn't draw in at least one person and entertain them.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
i have a feeling most people who buy this game won't be playing it 2 months after release.
Agreed.
The hype is deafening no doubt but the game is shallow and dull. I liked every other MMO I've played better than this game but somehow this is supposed to be the "WoW-Killer"?
Yeah ok, whatever, we'll see...
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
Dillusional much?
I don't like RIFT because I just plain don't like it.
And that's it. Nothing more to it than that.
Next.
I don't think it is so much fear as being judicious with ones time and resources. I think its always good to analyze what you are going to spend your time and money on. Of course, there are those who have nothing good to say about anything and their opinions when considering a game should be taken with a grain of salt. Thats why an open beta or free trial are always good. they give you that chance to make good decisions without cost.
I self identify as a monkey.
There are some very good choices here, and some of them I had forgotten about.
I'd just like to mention that the release date for some of these is not 2011, but probably early 2012.
Tera's Korean producers have said that a Western beta isn't scheduled until late 2011. If that game does manage to release in the West this year then it's going to be right toward the end of the year.
Guild Wars 2 is anybody's guess, but most people are guessing that it will probably be 2012. I'm not sure what they're basing their guess on, but this seems to be what most articles are suggesting.
SW:TOR is always reported as having a long way to go, so I suspect early to late-early 2012 for that one as well.
Let's not get our hopes up. Me, I'll be looking forward to seeing what The Secret World is actually like, and I'm keeping my eyes on a couple of others. Why can't World of Darkness be finished this year?
hah!
I think that Rift's biggest problem is the first starting area is really boring. I know it's set up for people who've never played MMOs before, but it isn't exciting and is very going through the motions for anyone with MMO experience. As far as this game not lasting two months, I have a feeling it will. A year? Who knows.
I do think it's fair to say that some people are concerned ( I wouldn't say scared) that Rift will get big. This will entice more developers to continue the traditional MMO format, instead of thinking outside of the box. But there is a market for those type of games.
I personally like the traditional MMO format, but I am bored of the current implimentations of it. I came into Beta with low expectations. Those expectations were met, so I wasn't instantly revolted by the game. I continued playing and started realizing that Rift had depth. It's not a shallow game, it just takes awhile to get past that first dull, outershell. I work a lot and I like the fact that this game is accessible, but offers a challenge.
EVE seems like an awesome game, completely different from the traditional MMO style. I never found time to really figure out how to play the game, so never stuck with it. I mean I figured some stuff out, but I would never say I knew everything I was doing. That's an example of a great MMO that's not like WoW or anything else traditional, but I'm not playing it. I will be playing Rift.
I guess traditional works for people like me, whom have a firm understanding of the traditional MMO format and wanting a new take or evolution into that format. It's like if I bought a FPS. I would expect certain fundamental things about the game to be true and they are. Sure games have different art style, different stories, different creatures and events; but the HUD is almost always similar. People who play FPS seem to like that. I don't usually see them demanding a new type of game style or attack another game for having the same HUD style.
WoD isn't even in production yet
We have at least 4+ year wait I'd imagine.
I usually buy and play a game if I am interested on it. I do research on the web and try to beta test if possible. If I like I buy and play untill I am bored. Then I start researching for the next one. I can assure I don´t have any fear on trying a game. I have been a gamer since the 80s.
I don´t care about what people think or say about me playing this or that game. In fact I am the one who ussualy buy and play games first and then drag some friends on them if I like it.
I read about Rift, liked it, tried the Beta and got bored in few hours. nothing new for me there. And the performance was dissapointing.
ll wait for Tera and GW2.
If Rift bored you, TERA is going to be worse. It is a lot more grindy than even Aion was.
Gaming since Avalon Hill was making board games.
Played SWG, EVE, Fallen Earth, LOTRO, Rift, Vanguard, WoW, SWTOR, TSW, Tera
Tried Aoc, Aion, EQII, RoM, Vindictus, Darkfail, DDO, GW, PotBS
No Lunatis the reason people are "scared" (silly phrase as no one is scared) is that RIFT is a complete copy in terms of game play of all the other EQ clones out there. It offers nothing original to the MMO Genre apart from a bit of fancy graphics.
When oh when are MMO developers going to stop this endless stream of junk .....