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How different from WoW do you have to be in order not to be labeled a "Wow-Clone"?
Snaylor47
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I am curious, people throw this term around so often that the term seems to mean anything remotly EQ1&2/WoW like.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
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Some like to say that "There are no real wow-clones" others like to state that AoC is one. There is no encyklopedic definition to follow. It's personal opinions only, as far as I am concerned.
Any game that uses standard MMORPG themepark components will be mistakenly called a WoW-clone.
Thus, in order not to be ignorantly labeled a WoW-clone - you would have to make a game that was not a MMORPG themepark. Even there, you face the risk of being called a WoW-clone by trolls and those that simply do not know any better.
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
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People that use this term are stupid and think WoW was the first MMO for some reason. I can almost gaurantee that the majority fo people that use that term only use it because it makes them feel smarter on some level or another. In another forum a couple of idiots said they didn't like EQ2 because it was a wow clonw..../facepalm. People calling Rift a WoW clone still amazes me. I don't know, I don't get it. If some people really wanted to be technical about it, start calling everything an EQ clone.
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and answer is actually a question ,how original you have to be in order not to be labeled a wow-clone?
wow is a replica of mmorpg´s ,it looks like mmorpg´s but it doesnt operate like mmorpgs,when you copy something like that then it is another copy of replica.
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If its an mmo it will be at one time or another called a WoW clone.
To some its a feeling or vibe, others its hardened design similarties, and for some its an elusive elephant that tries to sit an any new game to hit the market. Like the question "What makes a game an MMORPG", the variation in responses delute the genre so much that anything with 'look and feel' similar to another game is immediated dubbed a clone.
It doesn't take much to attach the clone tag, but whether or not it's warranted is the hard fast debate often had. In the end if a game re-uses any concept, its a clone - so games are clones and will always be clones of other games, re-using old design techniques, plot devices, graphic engines, etc. The issue is the negative connotation associated with the term, which is misguided...clones are not bad unless you didn't want that aspect(s) cloned.
Whatever makes it fun & interesting is what matters, but 'cloning' is envitable to reach those means (from one game or the other). No game is totally unique and re-use means more dev time for other things which can make it 'feel' unique in the least
I don't use the term "wow-clone" but I think it's a valid question and we don't need to call everyone who calls a game a "wow-clone" stupid. They will just call you stupid, and then we will all be back in kindergarten again.
I think that what people who don't like wow and so-called wow clones are really against are games that include some of these things:
tab targeting
rotations (press 1, press 2, press 3 - rinse repeat)
gathering and kill quests (kill 10 x, etc.)
etc.
I think there is a significant populaton of players who want something different, perhaps what they perceive as more challenging.
Please understand that my bottom line is that a game is a game and if you have fun with it, that's a good thing. I don't care if you have fun with wow, rift, warhammer, chess, or pinochle. It's all good and there's no need to insult people for what they like to do.
Just consider other viewpoints and try to see what they are getting at is all. Even if they insult you, it doesn't profit you to ignore any relevant points they might have or to insult them back.
Again, OP has a valid question. Thanks for raising it!
Will GW2 be called a WoW-clone? I wonder...
ppl need to stop with the "clone-talk"..
They only do that on youtube. But so far the official WoW forums are more friendly towards GW2 then to Rift or SW:ToR.
WoW had some text, any text in a game is a WoW clone.
Seriously though, you simply can't make an MMO that won't be labeled a WoW clone. If you was going to try you would have to make it so different you run the risk of confusing players. Sticking to what works and expanding in certain areas is the key and always has been. WoW was a clone of EQ and now MMO's have or are trying to expand on WoW. Some are now even expanding on WAR with scenarios and public quests.
The only people that will label something a WoW clone and complain are people that don't really know what they want. You make something completely different, they complain its to confusing. Make something that uses similiar features to past MMO's they call it a clone.
Whoa!
You're starting to remind me of Jean Baudrillard - with the simulation and simulacra.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2007/mar/07/guardianobituaries.france (in case you were wondering)
do you know what this is ?
its a clone of this
I believe Eve has all of that. Does it make it a WoW clone as well?
The only difference with the 123 rinse/repeat is the fact the weapons will auto fire once ingaged. but you still have to hit 123 again on the next mob.
A "WoW-Clone" is defined as the following by the MMO Community:
-Terrible Graphics to cater to the "lowest common denominator" of players.
-The only real way to level, or advance, in the game is by Questing. (Questing is unintellectual gameplay, go here...kill 10 things, come back, XP!)
-The game uses "childish" Art-Styles to get what they need done, to which they call "Stylized". (SWTOR comes to mind)
-Over-Use of instancing in their game world. (GW doesn't count as they HAD to do that for server upkeep concerns)
-The game uses the very over-used, very boring, very OVER copied, Tank/Healer/Dps class system. People are tired of this especially and want more innovation. (SWG's class system was the "most" innovative that has come down the pipe in recent years. Where did all the innovation go?)
If a game has 3 or more of the above the game can be considered a WoW-Clone. WoW has been considered not the "best" MMO to come out in years, but the "Starter" MMO to come out. Sure they have 10million players, but about 99.99% of that playerbase are NEW to the mmo industry of games. Most of the MMO community prior to WoW's release (the ones that played UO, EQ, SWG etc) have been jumping around MMO's trying to find that "one" MMO to hold them since their old, true, MMO died in some form or another to them.
Unfortunately, the lack of innovation can be attributed to WoW's success, and money grubbing Publishers see that success but don't tie in the fact that WoW is, in fact, it's own Niche of gameplay. It is NOT, by ANY standards, the end all be all of MMOs, or the "Standard" setter. That's why those of us who saw it, face palmed SO HARD when the SWTOR main dev said in an interview that he measures EVERY MMO by WoW's standards & practices of game features etc. When a game developer doesn't do what WoW did, he shakes his head and says something to the letter of "Why did you do this?". Although SWTOR has already been labeled a confirmed WoW-Clone, I doubt many people will care as my friends want to "try" it just because it is StarWars, which is a TERRIBLE reason to play anything that's been butchered that badly.
The Theory of Conservative Conservation of Ignorant Stupidity:
Having a different opinion must mean you're a troll.
Eve only uses ONE of the dfining characteristics of a WoW-Clone, and since it only uses one it can be attributed to just a standard feature of an MMO. That one feature is over-use of instancing.
If you actually think about it, each "DeadSpace" area in a system in Eve is an instance. It's rather funny to point this out, but you can actually have 10 deadspaces directly ontop of each other, but the ACTUAL warp in gate to get to the deadspace will be in different locations.
You can also think of each system in eve as an Instanced "node". It's not considered a zone because zones take up far too many resources to maintain without any players in them. Instancing the galaxy in this manner has allowed EVE to skyrocket it's "single server" idea to the 70k range. Very smart indeed
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The Theory of Conservative Conservation of Ignorant Stupidity:
Having a different opinion must mean you're a troll.
No, picture A is NOT a clone of picture B. It's called evolution, NOT "cloning". Cloning would have A) looking like picture
just with a different paintjob or different metal type for the wheels.
The Theory of Conservative Conservation of Ignorant Stupidity:
Having a different opinion must mean you're a troll.
I don't call them WoW clones as much as I call them unoriginal..
-If your games crafting is uninspired...
-If your character really has very little impact in the world around you.
-If the moment i get in to the game, I get the same generic quests i have been doing for many years..
-If PvP is a tacked on feature.
-If i find myself going from quest hub, to the next quest hub, on to the next...
-Too many instances (subjective of course.)
-The "epic lewtz" neverending chase.
- Your endgame is looking (again) like 5 man dungeons, to move on to 10 man dungeons or doing some overdone Battlegrounds
-Two factions.
-Swords and Sorcery
I consider games like this unoriginal. My opinion of course, and this was quick, I may be able to come up with a few more..
Hey, some people like this, and thats fine. To me, its overdone, and tiresome.
Well people tend to use the word "clone" instead of Eveolution in all these "clone-this-and-that-posts".. that was actually my point in the picture show.
no,its like this: pink stuff here is wow&clones of wow,you can play with but it doesnt operate like the real one.
{Mod edit - picture resized}
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I disagree.
Cloning in biology is the process of producing similar populations of genetically identical individuals.
What you have shown is the example of the process of IMPROVEMENT. Both vehicles share the same basic tenets, such as motor, wheels, steering, but beyond that they are alike as chalk and cheese. And frankly which one would you rather drive?
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so you`r saying wow gamers like pink horses ?
Thats the point, people are calling evolution like the above a clone because it shares a few features of something else. Therefore it's a clone of that older thing. THe point that is not actually a clone is part of the example.
Merely because it shares a few features of something does not make it a clone. it makes it a evolution of something.
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Curse you rottN, for making the same point I did, but earlier and better than me.
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