Rift implementing WoW's dungeon finder.

Xasapis

Originally posted by Spaceweed10

Well done, Scott!

 

I think this is an awesome idea, and absolutely necessary to the success of an MMO these days.  I have played since DAoC, and have tried most of the AAA MMO's on the market - I don't own a console.  Just so you are aware of my status.

 

Do you really think Trion have neglected to do any research on 'dungeon finders' and x-server grouping?

Do you really think I care about who I group with to get my shinies?

Do you really think I want to speak to 99% of the asshats in my group?

Do you really think I want to speak to 99% of the asshats on my server?

 

Guess what, the answer to all the above is NO.

What you need is a good single player game with bots. Or a game with decent henchment. Why do you bother investing time in MMORPGs?

pragues

Originally posted by Blacknd

Originally posted by pragues

"You are not in Azeroth anymore".

Nope. Somewhere there is a river that bends to the left instead of the right.

Those who thought AoC and WAR were terrible, boys are you in for a treatment with this one )

 

AoC and WAR released unfinished and both became lackluster at later content levels. I'll hold you to your prediction though.

"The only thing WOW killers do is kill their own old species."

"The bad thing is that they promote the original in the long run."

While at the same time there is a complete landscape of on line play that is unexplored and filled with gold mines.

And the only one NOT wanting to make another WOW is ... Morhaime.

Curious.

Xasapis

Is that a Zorndorf alias? Sounds familiar hehe. Just not as obsessed.

josh81

Originally posted by pragues

Originally posted by Blacknd

Originally posted by pragues

"You are not in Azeroth anymore".

Nope. Somewhere there is a river that bends to the left instead of the right.

Those who thought AoC and WAR were terrible, boys are you in for a treatment with this one )

 

AoC and WAR released unfinished and both became lackluster at later content levels. I'll hold you to your prediction though.

"The only thing WOW killers do is kill their own old species."

"The bad thing is that they promote the original in the long run."

While at the same time there is a complete landscape of on line play that is unexplored and filled with gold mines.

And the only one NOT wanting to make another WOW is ... Morhaime.

Curious.

That's because Kotick is there to ruin it now.  They are shifting more from WoW to Titan and Morhaime even stated that most of the talent that was integral to WoW is now working with Titan. Hopefully Morhaime sticks to what he says and does not want Titan to be another WoW Upgrade but a seperate entity running alongside WoW. 

wasim470

I was thinking to my self ..... what if WOW didn't exist in the first place ...... what would Rift be like ????

hummm maybe ...... It would vanish       LOL

Kaocan

Originally posted by Xasapis

Is that a Zorndorf alias? Sounds familiar hehe. Just not as obsessed.

 OMG you did not just resurect that name from the grave did you?!?! Please let that one just die off into history where it belongs.

 

Shame on you!!

 

EDIT: Oh and here is a really nice post by someone I dont even know here on these forums saying exactly what so many of us have been trying to say here. He says it so much better though.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4079127#4079127

Maybe because he wasn't trying to tell everyone what he actually did, either way, its honest and truthful and from someone who sees it first hand every day.

Xasapis

Originally posted by wasim470

I was thinking to my self ..... what if WOW didn't exist in the first place ...... what would Rift be like ????

hummm maybe ...... It would vanish       LOL

It would probably be an evolution of EQ2.

JosephProsek

 I still dont see this as bein a bad thing. I welcome it. havent seen a arguement that applies here. The whole anti social non community thing just doesnt work for me. The same people are gonna be on your server wether you have it or not. The ones that dont wanna use it wont and they can spam LFG till thier fingers are numb just as it was done before RDFs. People hanging in the main cities all day and just waiting for ques dont work for me either. This is "RIft" with rifts everywhere. People will always be out at all levels from 7 to 50 doing all the different versions of them. Single, Group, and Raid. Thats sounds pretty social to me. Get in on them if u see a guy that is pretty good at dps friend him same goes for healing and tank. Seems like that would be a good way to meet new people/ form dungeon groups. Bet it will happen a lot. Point is this isnt the same game with a RDF that has been done before. Rift has many more ways to be social and have that community you say that it kills. Not to mention group with your guild. If ya cant get in a guild for groups or u cant meet new people at all the rifts maybe your not as social as you thought. I can do all the above yet i still want it in cause its better to have it imo than not. I hate spending time to form and group just to get into the dungeon and have someone DC or leave then have to look again just to have it happen all over again. Half the time or more you never finish the thing. Where as with the dungeon finder if that happens they get replaced fast. If someone ninjas ono coulda happen with a pug i spent forever forming anyway. If u dont want ninjas stick with who you know. Thats what guilds are for. Once again this is Rift with rifts im sure the community will survive a RDF if they decide to give us one. I really hope they do.

Brisky29

You know what, it depends how they impliment it.

If it feels anything like some tacky xbox live CoD insta que up, I'm gone. I'm playing MMORPGs for immersion and a persistent virtual world. I can fire up my xbox if i need a quick que fix.

josh81

Originally posted by Brisky29

You know what, it depends how they impliment it.

If it feels anything like some tacky xbox live CoD insta que up, I'm gone. I'm playing MMORPGs for immersion and a persistent virtual world. I can fire up my xbox if i need a quick que fix.

If it is anything like Blizzards it will be Insta que for tanks semi insta queue for healers but a lonnnnng asss ride for DPS lol

pragues

Originally posted by Kaocan

 

Oh and here is a really nice post by someone I dont even know here on these forums saying exactly what so many of us have been trying to say here. He says it so much better though.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4079127#4079127

Maybe because he wasn't trying to tell everyone what he actually did, either way, its honest and truthful and from someone who sees it first hand every day.

Can anyone explain to me how you can populate 100 dungeons in a single server game? (that's 3K concurrent on line of which half ... are playing on different factions).

No? Well then that solves the problem ain't it and it is "honest and truthful" to see people really have no clue about game design.

Kilmar

This makes me angry, the dungeon finder is just a stupid, MMO destroying idea. I don't want this in Rift!

OkhamsRazor

Hope not . If I were to point to one thing that really destroyed WoW for me it was the dungeon finder . I guess it made sence on pve servers given people had little or no interest in world pvp but on pvp servers it brought it virtually to an end . I enjoy a dungeon as much as the next person but half the fun is getting to the instance and if you end up in a skirmish with the opposing side on the way . so be it .

Xasapis

Originally posted by pragues

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Can anyone explain to me how you can populate 100 dungeons in a single server game? (that's 3K concurrent on line of which half ... are playing on different factions).

No? Well then that solves the problem ain't it and it is "honest and truthful" to see people really have no clue about game design.

Depends on what you want as a player out of an MMO.

If you're after open world PvP, then instanced battlegrounds are a hindrance. Especially if the rewards they give are a lot better than what you'd get in the open world. In the same page, flying mounts are an open world PvP killer feature.

If you're the exploring type, converting the world into a lobby instanced game is again a hindrance. There is already a game that is like that by design, it's called DDO (Dungeons and Dragons Online). People burried back in the time for not having a world feeling.

If you want some form of acountability in your PvE, if you want people who care about performing, who care about being nice with loot, then a cross server automated dungeon finder is a hindrance.

 

For every design choice made, there are plus and minuses and these change depending on the person and what everyone wants out of a game.

VirusDancer

It is difficult not to see this as a bad thing.  This and WFs... basically makes RIFT another game lobby game.  Why do they think that we want game lobbies?  Perhaps, in the end though - that is what a lot of people want.  When will they realize that some of us do not want a life simulator (what some mistakenly call a sandbox) nor do we want a game lobby (what some mistakenly call a themepark)...?

pragues

Originally posted by VirusDancer

It is difficult not to see this as a bad thing.  This and WFs... basically makes RIFT another game lobby game.  Why do they think that we want game lobbies?  Perhaps, in the end though - that is what a lot of people want.  When will they realize that some of us do not want a life simulator (what some mistakenly call a sandbox) nor do we want a game lobby (what some mistakenly call a themepark)...?

It is either that or a game without players ...after 3 months.

You choose. These games are not lobby games since there is a CHOICE. You can ignore the lobby or you can play it like a lobby.

But most people play it the way they like to play it.

See the diference ?

Xasapis

The problem is that there are better lobby games than WoW and Rift out there. And don't try to think in terms of which MMORPGs are better lobby games, because lobby games are not MMORPGs.

sloeber

Originally posted by pragues

Originally posted by VirusDancer

It is difficult not to see this as a bad thing.  This and WFs... basically makes RIFT another game lobby game.  Why do they think that we want game lobbies?  Perhaps, in the end though - that is what a lot of people want.  When will they realize that some of us do not want a life simulator (what some mistakenly call a sandbox) nor do we want a game lobby (what some mistakenly call a themepark)...?

It is either that or a game without players ...after 3 months.

You choose. These games are not lobby games since there is a CHOICE. You can ignore the lobby or you can play it like a lobby.

But most people play it the way they like to play it.

See the diference ?

 lobby is easy.......and gamers these days are just plain lazy.....so you'll never find group the normal way anymore when they implement the LFG system......you lazy bums ;p hehe

so saying people have a choice are kinda the wrong words........in wow a chose to use it too.....when my GScore wasnt high enough i just got kicked for it.....where is my choice there buddy??

lolz.

pragues

Originally posted by sloeber

Originally posted by pragues

Originally posted by VirusDancer

It is difficult not to see this as a bad thing.  This and WFs... basically makes RIFT another game lobby game.  Why do they think that we want game lobbies?  Perhaps, in the end though - that is what a lot of people want.  When will they realize that some of us do not want a life simulator (what some mistakenly call a sandbox) nor do we want a game lobby (what some mistakenly call a themepark)...?

It is either that or a game without players ...after 3 months.

You choose. These games are not lobby games since there is a CHOICE. You can ignore the lobby or you can play it like a lobby.

But most people play it the way they like to play it.

See the diference ?

 lobby is easy.......and gamers these days are just plain lazy.....so you'll never find group the normal way anymore when they implement the LFG system......you lazy bums ;p hehe

so saying people have a choice are kinda the wrong words........in wow a chose to use it too.....when my GScore wasnt high enough i just got kicked for it.....where is my choice there buddy??

lolz.

You can't reason how someone plays a game or not. The choice is up to the player to seek the fun.

It is his choice. If he likes to simply dungeon crawl or "wander around in the world", that's his choice not yours to dispute.

DerWotan

All I can say is, speak with your wallet cancel your preorder and show them, that we don't want fps features like that. I'm glad I've canceled mine some weeks ago. Rift looked like a neat promising game at first but the community is already poluted with Wowfanboys and the devs are feeding them with carebear stuff even before release.



Jesus Christ studios will never learn it, you either cater to MMORPG gamers or Wowgamers both CANT co-exist damnit.



please scratch Rift from the MMORPG list once they're done implementing this crap because lobby != MMORPG

Z3R01

I listened to that podcast. The dev did not say it would be cross-server. He said people need a LFG system, in which he is correct. Rift would have lost many wow dungeon crawler fans if they didn't at the very least have a server specific one for dungeons and group quests.

Xasapis

Originally posted by Z3R01

I listened to that podcast. The dev did not say it would be cross-server. He said people need a LFG system, in which he is correct. Rift would have lost many wow dungeon crawler fans if they didn't at the very least have a server specific one for dungeons and group quests.

I agree that a server side LFG tool (even an automated one, that would allow though the group leader to pick members) would be a good addition.

As far as I'm concerned though, cross server bring more problems than improvements.

DerWotan

Originally posted by Z3R01

I listened to that podcast. The dev did not say it would be cross-server. He said people need a LFG system, in which he is correct. Rift would have lost many wow dungeon crawler fans if they didn't at the very least have a server specific one for dungeons and group quests.

 

Which is a good thing, because Wowplayers and MMORPGplayers can't co-exist. If you want wowfeatures go play Wow and leave other games alone. I mean I'm starting to think some devs will never ever get it.



Make your game the best it can be, ignore the Wowfanboys who will obviously go back once there is a new expansion or content update and start focusing on your crowd!

Hurvart

Originally posted by pragues

Originally posted by sloeber

Originally posted by pragues

Originally posted by VirusDancer

It is difficult not to see this as a bad thing.  This and WFs... basically makes RIFT another game lobby game.  Why do they think that we want game lobbies?  Perhaps, in the end though - that is what a lot of people want.  When will they realize that some of us do not want a life simulator (what some mistakenly call a sandbox) nor do we want a game lobby (what some mistakenly call a themepark)...?

It is either that or a game without players ...after 3 months.

You choose. These games are not lobby games since there is a CHOICE. You can ignore the lobby or you can play it like a lobby.

But most people play it the way they like to play it.

See the diference ?

 lobby is easy.......and gamers these days are just plain lazy.....so you'll never find group the normal way anymore when they implement the LFG system......you lazy bums ;p hehe

so saying people have a choice are kinda the wrong words........in wow a chose to use it too.....when my GScore wasnt high enough i just got kicked for it.....where is my choice there buddy??

lolz.

You can't reason how someone plays a game or not. The choice is up to the player to seek the fun.

It is his choice. If he likes to simply dungeon crawl or "wander around in the world", that's his choice not yours to dispute.

It also depends on the company. It depends on what options they give you. And more than that it depends on the rewards you will get for doing different things. I mean if you could get better gear wandering around the world doing random events more people would do that. If the fastest way to improve your character and get the best gear is to do dungeons/ instanced raids it will be popular and most players will do it. And if the fastest way to do dungeons is to use the LFD tool most players will prefer to use it.

No game can be the best game for all players. And if one play style/player type is rewarded that type of players will play the game. Others will probably try to find some other game...

I mean if you want to explore a virtual world and like adventure and finding friends that wants to do the same the game should be designed for that and reward that. Its not enough that you can do it if they reward and support other play styles much more...

Argo951

Cross server stuff was brought to WoW because no one wanted to play a tank so finding a instance group was really difficult and the BG queues on some servers were stupidly long to the point of being non existant.

I don't really see this being a problem in Rift.