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Do they not realize with each new expansion they lose what they invested in previously gear wise? Every expansion has made the top end raiding gear useless. So they only invested about a few months now in Cata and can't part with that?
agree! also if you guys do try rift ppl don't want to here WoW this and WoW that and its better that WoW and WoW is great if you play the game and you don't like it carry on playing something else or in other words LEAVE!
okai, lets come back in a year and see how good rift did. i surely wish them gl, there is no reason not to
i guess i'll rather be playing TOR or maybe even APB or something like it than rift :>
uh, and keep in mind, as soon the accs drop for WoW blizz will throw out more infos about titan and do their "PR stuff"
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
Good... last thing rift needs is to start off with the black plague (WoW community.)
The WoW community is quite simply the worst community ever to collectively grace a game. I absolutely hate blizzard for making WoW, not because of the game itself, but because of the types of people the brought into MMO's.
Each will cater to a certain crowd. GW2 will not be for everyone even the ones not devoted to WoW. No set home world or server is what a lot of people are already complaining about with Rifts LFD tool.
SW:ToR Look at who is publishing it I won't say developing it because BioWare does make some good games based in story. EA's investors are finicky as is EA Look at WAR, Earth and Beyond, Motor City Online, APB, yes the developers in these games were lax, sloppy, ect their investors got scared they cut staff and things of that nature. Then take into account BioWare while a great damn single player maker is new to MMO's and EA is already talking about taking significant development costs. However this game has the most chance of chipping away at WoW's base because it is more of a themepark type game than a Sandbox. And some people are looking for another SWG and this just doesn't look to be it. But aside from all that with such a strict NDA on it it's really hard to tell how good/bad this is going to be.
Rift the problem with this is it comes out of the gate touting "Were not in Azeroth anymore" which I can understand because any game isn't Azeroth. Yet they heavily borrow from Blizzard, and yes I know Blizzard borrowed heavily from other MMOs and all MMOs borrow stuff from the Tolkienesque novels. The problem lies in it feeling like wow with a fresh coat of paint and some new features but nothing really innovative. Rifts sound cool but hell I can remember back to Ragnarok Online where they had town invasion from monsters and such. It will attract its base crowd like all MMOs but the people that leave Warcraft I have a feeling will find like I said just an updated Warcraft with a new trick or 2.
With all that being said everyone needs to sit back and stop looking all silly by touting these games are stellar or shitty Rift is still in Beta, SW:TOR Is locked up tigher under a NDA than a nuns legs under their tunics. Enjoy the games you enjoy don't try to feel the need to compare your MMO to another to try to find some more gratification out of your title.
I usally keep chatlogs to hand over to a GM when some douche is at it, always fun
If it's not broken, you are not innovating.
I will say, that since beta 5, rift chat has the word "WoW" in it every 2 or 3 lines of chat. Its ridiculous. The funny thing about it, is its wow people hating on people for liking WoW....its the strangest thing ever.
Someone asks a question....community response : "go back to WoW you faggot" Now my guess is that a wow player just said that...thinking hes removed his tag of being a wow player, by insulting someone who may not be. All day long wow this and wow that, in jokes, in obvious troll one liners " OMG THIS GAME HAS CHARACTERS ITS A WOW CLONE" and such.
Oh and when beta testers (people actually testing the game) would ask in chat, if someone was having the same issues, or could replicate a bug or problem....that person would usualy get the standard "go back to wow if you hate this game so much" on top of "L2P NOOB" type comments...it was sad actually.
Seems if you want to talk about wow, hate on other wow players with your wow buddies for playing wow, or troll wow in some way...rift is your game.
Hence why most of us are turning off channel 4 level 0-19 chat ASAP.
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I am an eq1 vet, i played wow with wifey for about 4 years ... in that time frame i had seen or been apart of more drama than 7 years in eq1 ...
I have been following Rift since E3 09 fairly closely, the leadership change in November 09, perked my interest as Hartsmans track record speaks for itself (eq1 then saving eq 2(played it for about 3 years along with wow). I have dabbled in Warhammer(liked the game a lot no real pve expierence). Rift has done it right, they are not so flashy to eww and ahh, they run the dynamic content pretty good, they just dont want rifts to take over the world ... they need to also keep them spawning for people to react. Over all the PVE expierience is pretty nice and oh yea ... Dungeons are challenging ...
So i am going to run rift and go from there.
Good topic question ...
Artorus Giltanus - Ranger EQ1 Retired
Arturien - 90 Deathknight WoW
I am, well, i'm in the today beta, until monday, if i find the first 10 or so levels good, then i will leave WoW for Rift.
Do you like the first 10 levels of WOW? When you do nothing but quest and learn the game?
I highly suggest you play until at least 15 before making a decision. Run a dungeon, play one battleground, get to a major city, and get a couple souls so you can mix/match the souls beyond your original 3. This would require you to play to level 15-18 or so.
Yep, leaving WoW for Rift. Comr to think of it, our whole guild is (a whole 36 people....Oooo//lol). Really, though, we've played WoW for years and simply put..have done everything their is to do...time to move on as I suspect a lot of people will.
For the first time I see wow expansion as very mixed bag that could eventually see for the first time sub number droping, maybe droping a lot.
However ... I'm pretty sure not whole guild will coordinately leave for another game unless we are speaking of guild of real fiends in real life that possibly are all in same class. :-) We are talking many times about people that knows very good one game and they play very coordinately. New game - completely new mechanics and rest. Learning curve of months. But who knows, could be again fun.
Of course .... one must also consider that what one love somebody hate, what I hate somebody else literaly love. Is always like that.
But as I see things from first perspective they did many things wrong. What I'm reasuming down is not enterly my view, have been going through forums a lot lately.
as expansion ... no objections: original and well done idea of transforming old world, compared to rest of expansions however too linear ... one must do exactly all quests to end chain. Except few random quests from drops ... there is virtually only 1 strait quest chain; very easy and fast to get to 85, no grouping necessary
some changes are cursed by rare but mainly welcomed, like foucs/mana conversion for hunters, changes to warlocks, ... Mainly very positive feedback
many really stupid nerfs to core abilities of some group ... like now druids shapeshifting no longer allowing escape from roots; in pvp mortal change and this virtually killed feral druids for pvp; many have still never swalloved down losing permanent tree form of druid (and we have another vocal group of players that they lost wish to heal anymore with druids; besides terrible mana problem now with druid)-conclusion: Blizzard really hate druids and saddly I agree
after all easyines to getting to 85 ... wall of incredibly hard dungeons; of course compared to wotlk and I started with TB where did not partecipate in any dungeon; tanks and healers were very frustrated, many left their role for time being; wipe after wipe, mainly heroics 5 man of course; but while cc-ing worked well once applyed to normal versions, were nearly useless in heroics for majority
forums were full of infuriated players (mainly of course those that does not have main job or vocation in life to play wow) that dungeons, normal, but mainly heroics are too hard; there were also in much lesser numbers those "do not touch my hard dungeons... noobs should not play wow ..."
Blizzard step back, note that 5% buff that should work since start for pugs(!) was not working at all.. but they even increase to 15% if at least 3 random pug players present
wave of infuriated "hardcore" players follows "what you did, you destroyed Cata, now is like wotlk, ..." etc etc; but big majority at first welcomed this change
what happend then ... I agree Cata normal and partially hc dungeons are again grind fest, just running through ... hunters, mages, shammans, .... feel again useless as no need for cc anymore - Luck of draw buff to blame? Nope, at least not as i see this but also many others, have been reading a lot forums lately: many complain that now normal dungeons are full of overgeared players that do not like to hard stepup instances; same happen in heroics, full of raid level tanks and healers
As I see it again everyone (majority) is unhappy.
We will see how many players will Blizzard lose in next months. Or maybe gain. I have left.
I think this thread would be easier to settle with a poll: Will you leave Wow when Rift launches?
Yes, no or I dunno as alternatives and we actually would get easier information about it.
It is not to get Wow players to quit Wow that is the hard thing anyways, I know several Wow players that quit Wow more often than they quit smoking. It is getting them to stay that is hard.
Well I think you are wrong there.
You as a defender of the "mmorpg scene" should know by now MMORPG's are NOT simple games you play and then change like some underwear.
I think the complete social and cultural scene explains the long term success of an MMORPG like WOW or EVE.
You are not talking about the "usual play and forget" game either: Blizzard raked in over 1.6 billion dollars in 2010 and 1.45 billion came in from WOW (up from almost 1.15 in 2009).
That means this MMO is top in popularity and revenue after... 7 years.
Now go study and compare it with "games" that came out in ... 2004 and look where these "games" stand now. We talk about PS1, Gameboy and Age of Empires 2. Games last 2 years max as a "hot" item. An MMORPG can be hot for 7 years (WOW - EVE).
It means people on certain MMORPG's "settle in" and are happy with them. Every MMORPG has this public. The only difference is that WOW has them 50x fold and so it could be called a cult instead of a game.
These people will not leave their social and cultural habit for the exact same copy with clearly less polish and possibilities ("where is my flying mount").
Besides the promotion of bad copies only sells the orginal even more in the long run. If that is a good thing for the industry? I guess not. But players don't look at an industry.
To be honest the first 10 levels or so are the worst part of the game, at least in my opinion it is.
Yep, First 10 to 15 levels are really a tutorial stage for novice people.
It all starts after this phase.
I think you may have missed the point. I don't think the OP cares about subs leaving WoW, per se, but more about how the ones that DO will pollute RIFT with their foul attitudes. Regardless, it's nothing that joining a good guild won't fix, for the most part. It will at least limit your exposure to the most moronic of the gamer gene pool. Random idiots can be ignored provided you don't have constant forced exposure by trying to fly solo, in which case you're forcing it upon yourself. Save your sanity and find a good guild.
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The grass is always greener, eh?
I could easily leave WoW for RIFT. And if/when I get bored with RIFT, then I always have the option to return to WoW.
As Mark Twain (and Loke) said: "Quitting smoking is easy, I've done it a thousand times."
If/when I return to a game after leaving, I do the same thing anyone else would... I check to see if the things that I previously considered 'broken' have been fixed. If not, I usually sink into the game and enjoy the sense of familiarity for a while, but then I realize why I quit the game in the first place. I do this a few times with a game usually, then I finally quit entirely.
I did this with SWG, WAR, and EQ2, to name a few.
I've taken 'breaks' from WoW. But since Cataclysm launched, I find myself not missing the game... at all. I'm not saying I 'hate WoW', I'm saying that I don't have any craving or drive to play the game the way that I did previously. I found myself logging in for about 10-15 minutes a day, being bored and logging out. I was logging in out of 'routine', nothing more.
Will RIFT be different? I don't really know. Sure, I've played the BETA (and am playing the BETA), but RIFT hasn't even officially launched yet. What I do know is this: I don't miss WoW. I plan to play RIFT. I was 'done' with WoW before I played the RIFT beta.
The grass may very well be greener on the other side... but remember, somebody is gonna have to mow that sh*t, too.
I absolutely cannot argue with that assessment.
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Because you think private corporations do not want more money? Do you really think Trion gives a flying hoot if a million juvenile ex WoW players come to Rift aslong as they bring their money with them?
If you do I think it is time for you to wake up and smell the coffee. Almost every MMO game wants a chunk of the WoW cake, specially a WoW look alike game like Rift. I am positive it is in one of their core strategies, to attract WoW players.
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It might be you completely missed his point ...
Somehow I think you managed to read exactly the OPPOSITE of what was said. But good job re-making the point we were making. I'll forgive your comment telling me to "wake up and smell the coffee" that I already woke up, made, and DRANK before you commented. (That was a euphemism of sorts and not meant literally.)
I guess I should try to lean less toward vague humor and more toward literalism.
Oh and one last thing....
"I absolutely cannot argue with that assessment." = "I agree with you and find nothing to argue with in what you said."
{mod edit}
Make more sense now?
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