rofl, this is the same stunt AoC and WAR pulled when they announced the number of "unique" visitors to their sites, or the number of accounts created on their forums. I mean seriously? Press releases from MMO's are sucking lately. Everybody knows the only things that matter are the actual number of box sales, and the actual number of paying subscribers after the free month is up. Everything else is fluff that don't matter.
I'll be there to give my congratulations when they announce something useful. Really, I'm just a bit tired of useless press releases. I'm one that actually think Rift will sell very well. I just didn't think they would pull an AoC style press release.
Originally posted by Sovrath I don't understand why you guys are doing this. For the record, once again, I pre-ordered the game, will play for a while and have nothing but good things to say about it. Would you call that a naysayer? yet even I see that their announcment is not off of preorders but just accounts made. This is all accounts. people who hate the game and who will never touch it and people who love it. The game might get 30 million players, who knows. But let's actually look at what they are saying and not imbue it with any more meaning than what it really is.
You sir, get a cookie.
Trion said 1 Million people registered accounts (login/password), and that means a million people expressed an interest in the game. If they had a million pre-orders, Trion would have said they had a million pre-orders. Anything anyone says about actual subscriptions, pre-orders, etc. is just a guess.
My guess is 3 Billion people will play Rift. My guess is just as accurate as anyone else's guess.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
that's not a number that I would tout if I was a developer. Many of those accounts could be from people who were intrigued only to find out that the game wasn't for them.
Actually it's not all that bad, seeing as how a game like TOR that has been hyped up anticipated for years doesn't even have 1 million forum accounts yet.
TOR will have 1 million forum accounts very soon.
I don't think RIFT is really counting forum accounts here, because the numbers don't match up.
During the last beta I did a little test to figure out the amount of forum accounts RIFT had (the same way you do it for TOR, you look at your own number and figure out which account was the latest one to be created) and RIFT had only about 45000 forum accounts during beta.
So honestly, these figures must be something else, be it pre-orders or some sort of cumulative math.
However, I'm happy for RIFT and hope it does well regardless!
Yes, i think they are basing the numbers off of actual pre-orders.
OMG! don't tell that to the naysayers! They might throw a hissy fit and poop in their pants. You know cause after all Aion was a disaster so this will be too!
If they meant actual pre-orders, they would have used a term different from "registered accounts". It's just so ambiguous. They'd gloat if they could. Instead, they choose ambiguous terminology.
"Unique visitors" is about the only term they could use to be shadier.
Spec'ing properly is a gateway drug. 12 Million People have been meter spammed in heroics.
I have no clue where they got these numbers from. If trion came up with the numbers I can only assume they mean pre-order and sub numbers, because what does it matter if they have over 1 million registered peoples if they aren't all playing the game?
Either way, I will gladly perpetuate this statement , as long as it gets the doombringers and naysayers in a QQ frenzy.
It never fails the same few people across the MMO community feel the need to over voice their opinions and tell everyone this game sucks or that game is gonna fail.
They do this with every single game to come out and convince other people before they even have a chance to try it out for themselves, that their opinions must be true.
I'm just so sick of this attitude with the MMO community, that every game fails or sucks, Or is gonna suck.
Rift seems to be an over all quality game and good experience.
Really? It's pretty clear in the press release. over 1 million ACCOUNTS. That is, when you go to the Rift site and you click the link: "Register" and follow the instructions, then you are one of those "over 1 million". That's why they use words like "interest", rather than "1 million people are going to play our game".
If you, at any time, were interested in the game and wanted to get news regarding it, you created an account. Note that there is no way to just sign up for a mailing list without creating an account. You want info? Creating an account is the only way to get it.
So no, you can't "only assume" subs and preorders. It says it right there. Accounts. There are people with accounts that won't buy it. There were people with a accounts that didn't even play it in beta! And sure, people without accounts that WILL buy it. But either way, User accounts to a web site means very little. "What does it matter?", you ask? It doesn't. Trion just wants you to hear the word "million" attached to their game.
In truth, the fact that they're counting accounts and not subs/preorders very clearly indicates that those sub/preorder numbers are significantly less than the number of accounts. Otherwise, they WOULD use the number of subs/preorders, and thus would SAY "1 million subs/preorders".
I hope you enjoy the game and I hope it enjoys success, but dude, throughout this entire thread you been RAPING reality. It's very offputting as I assess what this game's community will be like should I get in a few months down the road.
Everybody and their dog was a registered account user, thanks to last week's marketing blitz, better known as "Open Beta". Anybody playing right now can still cancel their pre-order (except for the saps who bought direct download). I doubt Trion will be quite so enthusiastic about their 30 and 60-day sub numbers.
"Soloists and those who prefer small groups should never have to feel like they''re the ones getting the proverbial table scraps, as it were." - Scott Hartsman, Senior Producer, Everquest II "People love groups. Its a fallacy that people want to play solo all the time." - Scott Hartsman, Executive Producer, Rift
I know a few people that tried the Rift beta. I don't know anyone that is actually going to buy the game. I would guess that the 1 million accounts might see about 1/3 subsribe initially and depending on how the game is received, their numbers can go up or down from that point.
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I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
OMG! don't tell that to the naysayers! They might throw a hissy fit and poop in their pants. You know cause after all Aion was a disaster so this will be too!
If they meant actual pre-orders, they would have used a term different from "registered accounts". It's just so ambiguous. They'd gloat if they could. Instead, they choose ambiguous terminology.
"Unique visitors" is about the only term they could use to be shadier.
It's meant to be ambiguous, but it's not. People who have already registered on Rift's website, will not "create an account" when they get the game; they are going to enter the key into their already made ACCOUNT. Thus the the website itself is the only "account" type thing they can be referencing, so there's no question as to what they are really talking about.
And as we know, anyone who had enough interest to spend 2 minutes to create the account, no matter what their status is regarding the game right now, is being counted. This is why they're referring to "interest generated" by Rift, NOT their sub numbers.
But that apparently doesn't stop folks from spreading willful ignorance in the hopes of duping others and creating false hype.
Either way, there are 26 servers and all of them are full and the game hasnt even released yet.
A number given for "full" matters a lot (not that Trion or most companies, gives out that number). Some people are saying a full server is 50k+, some are saying 5k+.
It could be a tremendous success, retaining 80% of their initial subs and gaining hundreds of thousands of new ones quickly or it could slowly die, or it could go the astoundingly bad route of FFXIV which is quickly deflating to (last i heard) a number of subscriptions countable on one hand =P.
Spec'ing properly is a gateway drug. 12 Million People have been meter spammed in heroics.
I loved the game in beta and i am downloading the head start right now got about 30 minutes left but
I think this game will do well and retain around 150k-300k or more subs
Just my 2 Cents
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I think Rift will gain over a million subs quickly....hold that and grow steadily over the next few years to 2 million plus.
It's the best WoW and EQ2 with a good bit of it's own uniqueness.. It's polished and fun. With an independant developer's personal touch and connection to it's community..... It's only going to get better from here.
I think Rift will gain over a million subs quickly....hold that and grow steadily over the next few years to 2 million plus.
It's the best WoW and EQ2 with a good bit of it's own uniqueness.. It's polished and fun. With an independant developer's personal touch and connection to it's community..... It's only going to get better from here.
Play Rift
Play Rift now and play it a lot!
Bookmarked and moved to my "Rifts predictions" folder. Thank you for playing!
Here is all that anyone really needs to know.... 50 servers to date all with a queue. Any other NA/EU live MMO other than WoW have that many? Rift came out of nowhere for me, but after playing it and following the podcasts and other media its pretty obvious Scott and company are out to make a fun game and aren't dodging anything. Loved that they shot down character customization and actually gave reasons for it that are tangible so that you can see how they got there.
Trion is great company, due to real lfie issues I had to cancel my preorder 2 days before head start. Just today , I was able to get refund. Hopefully when I get more time, I will try it again.
"Registered Accounts" really don't mean all that much.
I am with you on this. Impressive either way considering most people never heard of Rift less
then a month ago. I believe the actual number of sales is more around 300-400k on the high end.
I agree, I had never heard of Rift and was lucky enough to get into 5 of the 7 betas.
You posted 1 million registered accounts and then the first reply said something about not bragging. WHATEVER. A game that was basically unknown has exploded with interest and I say 1 million registered accounts is a good thing.
Let the nay-sayers have their day. Rift with either do good or fail, no one knows. I hope it does good.
Now if I can just be able to play. Might have to make a new character just to be able to play. Not going to wait 20 mins in a que.
"I don't give a sh*t what other people say. I play what I like and I'll pay to do it too!" - SerialMMOist
I figure they will retain anywhere from 30-50% of their accounts, which is 300-500K players at launch which is pretty good. People forget that WoW didn't have millions of subs at launch. It took time to get to where they are.
And at the same time, Warhammer I believe had similar numbers at launch so there's that...
Like a lot of people said, it's not the initial rush that matters but what matters is how many remain six months down the line.
1) I believe the release stated "PURCHASED ACCOUNTS". You don't purchase a beta account. Learn to read and comprehend what you read.
Bah, I need to learn to read. Read someone else's post and not the original. My bad. Still, an impressive number.
2) For those saying "nobody was following rift until 2 months ago", Um, excuse? Plenty of us who are indeed somebody have been following this game. Word of mouth is a large part of how this game got to 1 million PURCHASED ACCOUNTS at pre-release. Just because some thought it was another fail/sameoldsame/clone game and wanted to talk it down without even playing the beta doesn't mean Trion/Rift didn't have a healthy following before "2 months" ago.
While not purchased accounts, the majority of the above still remains true.
Ok, sure, I'll give you that hardly anyone ON THIS SITE was following it, but this isn't the only MMO site out there. As a sampling the majority of my guild avoids this website yet all have been following the game since mid to late last year at least. Some longer.
Kudos Trion, keep on doing things in a straight-forward, honest way and making the cynics and pessimists look bad!
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1) I believe the release stated "PURCHASED ACCOUNTS". You don't purchase a beta account. Learn to read and comprehend what you read.
2) For those saying "nobody was following rift until 2 months ago", Um, excuse? Plenty of us who are indeed somebody have been following this game. Word of mouth is a large part of how this game got to 1 million PURCHASED ACCOUNTS at pre-release. Just because some thought it was another fail/sameoldsame/clone game and wanted to talk it down without even playing the beta doesn't mean Trion/Rift didn't have a healthy following before "2 months" ago.
Ok, sure, I'll give you that hardly anyone ON THIS SITE was following it, but this isn't the only MMO site out there. As a sampling the majority of my guild avoids this website yet all have been following the game since mid to late last year at least. Some longer.
Kudos Trion, keep on doing things in a straight-forward, honest way and making the cynics and pessimists look bad!
Registered Accounts. Not purchased accounts.
Simply the number of people that registered an account on the site. Much like people register an account here. It does not mean they participated in any beta event - it does not mean that they purchased a pre-order - nor does it mean they necessarily have any intent to purchase the game at any point.
It just shows a relatively high level of interest in the game - whether the interest is good or bad.
Nothing more. Nothing less.
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
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rofl, this is the same stunt AoC and WAR pulled when they announced the number of "unique" visitors to their sites, or the number of accounts created on their forums. I mean seriously? Press releases from MMO's are sucking lately. Everybody knows the only things that matter are the actual number of box sales, and the actual number of paying subscribers after the free month is up. Everything else is fluff that don't matter.
I'll be there to give my congratulations when they announce something useful. Really, I'm just a bit tired of useless press releases. I'm one that actually think Rift will sell very well. I just didn't think they would pull an AoC style press release.
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You sir, get a cookie.
Trion said 1 Million people registered accounts (login/password), and that means a million people expressed an interest in the game. If they had a million pre-orders, Trion would have said they had a million pre-orders. Anything anyone says about actual subscriptions, pre-orders, etc. is just a guess.
My guess is 3 Billion people will play Rift. My guess is just as accurate as anyone else's guess.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
If they meant actual pre-orders, they would have used a term different from "registered accounts". It's just so ambiguous. They'd gloat if they could. Instead, they choose ambiguous terminology.
"Unique visitors" is about the only term they could use to be shadier.
Spec'ing properly is a gateway drug.
12 Million People have been meter spammed in heroics.
Really? It's pretty clear in the press release. over 1 million ACCOUNTS. That is, when you go to the Rift site and you click the link: "Register" and follow the instructions, then you are one of those "over 1 million". That's why they use words like "interest", rather than "1 million people are going to play our game".
If you, at any time, were interested in the game and wanted to get news regarding it, you created an account. Note that there is no way to just sign up for a mailing list without creating an account. You want info? Creating an account is the only way to get it.
So no, you can't "only assume" subs and preorders. It says it right there. Accounts. There are people with accounts that won't buy it. There were people with a accounts that didn't even play it in beta! And sure, people without accounts that WILL buy it. But either way, User accounts to a web site means very little. "What does it matter?", you ask? It doesn't. Trion just wants you to hear the word "million" attached to their game.
In truth, the fact that they're counting accounts and not subs/preorders very clearly indicates that those sub/preorder numbers are significantly less than the number of accounts. Otherwise, they WOULD use the number of subs/preorders, and thus would SAY "1 million subs/preorders".
I hope you enjoy the game and I hope it enjoys success, but dude, throughout this entire thread you been RAPING reality. It's very offputting as I assess what this game's community will be like should I get in a few months down the road.
Everybody and their dog was a registered account user, thanks to last week's marketing blitz, better known as "Open Beta". Anybody playing right now can still cancel their pre-order (except for the saps who bought direct download). I doubt Trion will be quite so enthusiastic about their 30 and 60-day sub numbers.
"Soloists and those who prefer small groups should never have to feel like they''re the ones getting the proverbial table scraps, as it were." - Scott Hartsman, Senior Producer, Everquest II
"People love groups. Its a fallacy that people want to play solo all the time." - Scott Hartsman, Executive Producer, Rift
Great news.
I'm just gonna play alongside with perhaps two or three of those accounts regurarly anyway.
Or perhaps 20 or something.
Doesn't mather though, they could have 100 million accounts for all I care
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
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I know a few people that tried the Rift beta. I don't know anyone that is actually going to buy the game. I would guess that the 1 million accounts might see about 1/3 subsribe initially and depending on how the game is received, their numbers can go up or down from that point.
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I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
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It's meant to be ambiguous, but it's not. People who have already registered on Rift's website, will not "create an account" when they get the game; they are going to enter the key into their already made ACCOUNT. Thus the the website itself is the only "account" type thing they can be referencing, so there's no question as to what they are really talking about.
And as we know, anyone who had enough interest to spend 2 minutes to create the account, no matter what their status is regarding the game right now, is being counted. This is why they're referring to "interest generated" by Rift, NOT their sub numbers.
But that apparently doesn't stop folks from spreading willful ignorance in the hopes of duping others and creating false hype.
Either way, there are 26 servers and all of them are full and the game hasnt even released yet.
A number given for "full" matters a lot (not that Trion or most companies, gives out that number). Some people are saying a full server is 50k+, some are saying 5k+.
It could be a tremendous success, retaining 80% of their initial subs and gaining hundreds of thousands of new ones quickly or it could slowly die, or it could go the astoundingly bad route of FFXIV which is quickly deflating to (last i heard) a number of subscriptions countable on one hand =P.
Spec'ing properly is a gateway drug.
12 Million People have been meter spammed in heroics.
I loved the game in beta and i am downloading the head start right now got about 30 minutes left but
I think this game will do well and retain around 150k-300k or more subs
Just my 2 Cents
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You have to count both EU av US servers, which all are full.
http://www.riftserverstatus.com/
which does not when writing this include the new servers opened tonight.
37+ servers atm.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
I think Rift will gain over a million subs quickly....hold that and grow steadily over the next few years to 2 million plus.
It's the best WoW and EQ2 with a good bit of it's own uniqueness.. It's polished and fun. With an independant developer's personal touch and connection to it's community..... It's only going to get better from here.
Play Rift
Play Rift now and play it a lot!
Heh, 1 hour queue time for the server I wanted. Good news is, new servers are up already.
Bookmarked and moved to my "Rifts predictions" folder. Thank you for playing!
LOL, now thats funny.
Here is all that anyone really needs to know.... 50 servers to date all with a queue. Any other NA/EU live MMO other than WoW have that many? Rift came out of nowhere for me, but after playing it and following the podcasts and other media its pretty obvious Scott and company are out to make a fun game and aren't dodging anything. Loved that they shot down character customization and actually gave reasons for it that are tangible so that you can see how they got there.
Trion is great company, due to real lfie issues I had to cancel my preorder 2 days before head start. Just today , I was able to get refund. Hopefully when I get more time, I will try it again.
I agree, I had never heard of Rift and was lucky enough to get into 5 of the 7 betas.
You posted 1 million registered accounts and then the first reply said something about not bragging. WHATEVER. A game that was basically unknown has exploded with interest and I say 1 million registered accounts is a good thing.
Let the nay-sayers have their day. Rift with either do good or fail, no one knows. I hope it does good.
Now if I can just be able to play. Might have to make a new character just to be able to play. Not going to wait 20 mins in a que.
"I don't give a sh*t what other people say. I play what I like and I'll pay to do it too!" - SerialMMOist
Even if they manage to get half of these people to buy the game they have done very well for a company with their first game.
I figure they will retain anywhere from 30-50% of their accounts, which is 300-500K players at launch which is pretty good. People forget that WoW didn't have millions of subs at launch. It took time to get to where they are.
And at the same time, Warhammer I believe had similar numbers at launch so there's that...
Like a lot of people said, it's not the initial rush that matters but what matters is how many remain six months down the line.
1) I believe the release stated "PURCHASED ACCOUNTS". You don't purchase a beta account. Learn to read and comprehend what you read.
Bah, I need to learn to read. Read someone else's post and not the original. My bad. Still, an impressive number.
2) For those saying "nobody was following rift until 2 months ago", Um, excuse? Plenty of us who are indeed somebody have been following this game. Word of mouth is a large part of how this game got to 1 million PURCHASED ACCOUNTS at pre-release. Just because some thought it was another fail/sameoldsame/clone game and wanted to talk it down without even playing the beta doesn't mean Trion/Rift didn't have a healthy following before "2 months" ago.
While not purchased accounts, the majority of the above still remains true.
Ok, sure, I'll give you that hardly anyone ON THIS SITE was following it, but this isn't the only MMO site out there. As a sampling the majority of my guild avoids this website yet all have been following the game since mid to late last year at least. Some longer.
Kudos Trion, keep on doing things in a straight-forward, honest way and making the cynics and pessimists look bad!
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um, sure
"Trion Worlds announced today that more than one million accounts have been created to date,"
You are absolutely right, it says purchased accounts.
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Registered Accounts. Not purchased accounts.
Simply the number of people that registered an account on the site. Much like people register an account here. It does not mean they participated in any beta event - it does not mean that they purchased a pre-order - nor does it mean they necessarily have any intent to purchase the game at any point.
It just shows a relatively high level of interest in the game - whether the interest is good or bad.
Nothing more. Nothing less.
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
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