TB and the video aren’t biased at all. A respected video reviewer talks his mind on some facts about the game. People sugar-coat their experience after buying something hyped and that is completely normal, this review however is honest, direct and with well thought through commentary. Face the facts, play if you are happy with it though. Great review.
Let me tell you something, i don't play RIFT atm i only played in a few BETAS. And i had some kind of respect for that guy because of his WoW videos. But it's kind of ridiculous to call a game a WoW-clone because it has an UI and HOTKEYS... this is one of the silliest comments i've seen.
Yeah that's what hit me too. I agree that Rift tries to recreate some WoW experience in some areas of the game but calling game WoW clone and base it on UI... Well I had a good laugh at this point.
You don't really seem to have watched the entire video. If you instantly stop watching a video when he makes ONE comparison between the two games, well, then you're just being ridiculous. Also, it seems that there are quite some people out there firing all their rage whenever they hear someone calling Rift a WoW-clone.
I watched the whole video and as i said I generally agree with it but WoW clone was used there in the beginnin in relation to describing how UI works before describing the actual game. So if you say that some ppl rage because someone calls Rift being WoW clone then I say some ppl are calling Rift a WoW clone because of UI similarities. Also in fact Rift takes as much from EQ for example yet nobody calls it EQ clone, do they? It's not a rage, just stating facts.
SO I looked up what a TotalBiscuit is because several posts here took affront to people maligning the reputation of or not properly showing respect for this TB person and his videos.
For those of us not familiiar with him, he's a guy that makes WOW (and other game) videos and he has a considerable following. When I say considerable, I mean that there's evidently over 400k people on the planet that both find this video entertaining and managed to find his YouTube channel. That scary commentary on humanity aside, from what I saw of his videos, his goal is to entertain and cater to his audience, and he does that very well. His viewers asked for a Rift video, so he created one and, considering he could have seriously Yahtzee'd that video to high heaven - it seems like he did a great job of providing a first impression view of the game while entertaining his viewers.
I guess what I'm saying is to just consider the source: an internet entertainer made a video that his fans requested.
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SO I looked up what a TotalBiscuit is because several posts here took affront to people maligning the reputation of or not properly showing respect for this TB person and his videos.
For those of us not familiiar with him, he's a guy that makes WOW (and other game) videos and he has a considerable following. When I say considerable, I mean that there's evidently over 400k people on the planet that both find this video entertaining and managed to find his YouTube channel. That scary commentary on humanity aside, from what I saw of his videos, his goal is to entertain and cater to his audience, and he does that very well. His viewers asked for a Rift video, so he created one and, considering he could have seriously Yahtzee'd that video to high heaven - it seems like he did a great job of providing a first impression view of the game while entertaining his viewers.
I guess what I'm saying is to just consider the source: an internet entertainer made a video that his fans requested.
You sir are absolutely correct. A certified WoW fanboi has made a video about Rift for other certified WoW fanbois. How could it have turned out any other way.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
Completely agree with him. End result, in that video is he says he can t see it not becoming boring quickly. That it does, cancelled my sub already.
Just wondering did anyone happen to buy all the games that he gave a 'good review' with every WTF video then, or buy DCUO and Magicka because he enjoys them? Can anyone say what TB thinks is 100% true for everyone..
TB's 'word' is opinion only, not fact, much like every previewer/reviewer for anything really, TB has never stated anything different.
Going off one person's opinion only is quite foolish TBH, I'm just hoping most of his subcribers (i'm one too WTB so don't think this is a 'bash TB because he hates Rift' post) don't treat him like a massive game gru (like people do with Pratcher *shakes fist*) because even he says himself he's 'a bit of a noob' when it comes to games, he's just very very good at boardcasting to the point IMHO he's better then most 'deadicated' TV shows.
Like I said in my other post above even TB didn't want to do a WTF of Rift he's just bored of those type of games now including WoW, so basing your subcription on ONE person's 'forced' comments is a little bit crazy.
Which is the entire reason the link was posted here in the way that it was. Due to the nature of the video, the thread will most likely be closed.. there already is a rift comparison thread.
Normally i like tb in wow videos but in the RIFT video he sounds from the start on kinda emo/dissaspointed/mad so it didnt suprise me that he was talking negative all the way.
Erhm, he wasn't.
Precisely, he most definitely wasn't negative the entire way. He had plenty of praise for it, some misgivings and some aspects of it he didn't like. It was a very even and mixed review actually.
However, nank's response is probably a good example of what many around here do when they're fans of a given game. You could post 10 positive things about it, with one negative mixed in, and all they will focus on is the negative... completely ignoring the positive.
Some of the the Darkfall folks do that incessantly. You can praise the game to the sky, but say one critical thing about it and you get the usual "go back to WoW you're a carebear!" response.
Some people are secure in their own opinion of a game, and can simply take differing opinions in stride. Others are way too wrapped up in their opinion of a game and can't handle any criticism of it at all. Reviews like TB's and the responses you see here really indicates which side people lean to.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Whether the UI looks like WOW or not is really a pointless issue. It is not as though WOW invented the UI - different windows for different aspects of the game, tooltips, target windows etc they were there before. What the UI does, it what it is supposed to do; look nice, and make the game easy to play, all the commands accessible without going through some arcane ritual and mass confusion.
A User Interface should be for the user and if a system works - use it. Don't re-invent the wheel; WoW didn't so why should Rift or any game that comes after.
Originally posted by shukes33 Grind is not one of the downfalls of DF it is just a feature.
Completely agree with him. End result, in that video is he says he can t see it not becoming boring quickly. That it does, cancelled my sub already.
Just wondering did anyone happen to buy all the games that he gave a 'good review' with every WTF video then, or buy DCUO and Magicka because he enjoys them? Can anyone say what TB thinks is 100% true for everyone..
TB's 'word' is opinion only, not fact, much like every previewer/reviewer for anything really, TB has never stated anything different.
Going off one person's opinion only is quite foolish TBH, I'm just hoping most of his subcribers (i'm one too WTB so don't think this is a 'bash TB because he hates Rift' post) don't treat him like a massive game gru (like people do with Pratcher *shakes fist*) because even he says himself he's 'a bit of a noob' when it comes to games, he's just very very good at boardcasting to the point IMHO he's better then most 'deadicated' TV shows.
Like I said in my other post above even TB didn't want to do a WTF of Rift he's just bored of those type of games now including WoW, so basing your subcription on ONE person's 'forced' comments is a little bit crazy.
LOL, I cancelled before I even saw his video. I m stating I agree with him, it gets boring and fast. If I was the only one saying this, then maybe theres something wrong with me, but many people have agreed with this comment. My guild in Aion have all come back but 1, so I m guessing it gets boring for some people.
Let me tell you something, i don't play RIFT atm i only played in a few BETAS. And i had some kind of respect for that guy because of his WoW videos. But it's kind of ridiculous to call a game a WoW-clone because it has an UI and HOTKEYS... this is one of the silliest comments i've seen.
Did you actually watch the video or are you just basing this assumption on hearsay? I'm interested to know this, because that's not what I actually said.
Sorry but you did start the video saying it's a WoW-clone and saying the game have HOTKEYS and a similar UI. So it seems that for you, all the games that have an UI similiar to WoW or HOTKEYS are clones... nice one. And no im not even a RIFT fan in fact i agree with most of the things you said in the video.
So the guy watched 2 minutes of the video and decided he was fit to judge it then? Those are only the immediately apparent cloned elements of WoW. We're not just talking similar, the UI is IDENTICAL, even in placement, with the exception of the micromenu which is the left, rather than the right.
Explain again why cloning elements of the best MMO on the market is a bad thing and people should be taking offence to it?
Heya, TB.
I agree that calling something a WoW clone shouldn't be inherently a "negative". As you state in your video, it's a very good thing if that's what someone's looking for. Unfortunately, you'll find that many people around here think in absolutes and the term 'WoW clone' is used quite often with a negative connotation.
People also seldom take remarks in the full context of how they were presented. All they hear is "WoW clone" and everything before and after that may as well be static noise... 'cause they won't hear it.
Cherry-picking is an "official debate strategy" for many around here.
You've stated your case quite eloquently, both in the video and on here so far. Those who are willing to actually listen to or read what someone says (should) see where you're coming from. For those who are just looking to zealously defend "their game" against any and all negative opinion... well... good luck with them.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Unfortunately, you'll find that many people around here only watch 2 minutes of the +one hour video. Great video. TB is positive about things, he just points out the many obvious negatives, with facts. Dave balances TB in the last half hour by saying what got better in respect to wow.
Completely agree with him. End result, in that video is he says he can t see it not becoming boring quickly. That it does, cancelled my sub already.
Just wondering did anyone happen to buy all the games that he gave a 'good review' with every WTF video then, or buy DCUO and Magicka because he enjoys them? Can anyone say what TB thinks is 100% true for everyone..
TB's 'word' is opinion only, not fact, much like every previewer/reviewer for anything really, TB has never stated anything different.
Going off one person's opinion only is quite foolish TBH, I'm just hoping most of his subcribers (i'm one too WTB so don't think this is a 'bash TB because he hates Rift' post) don't treat him like a massive game gru (like people do with Pratcher *shakes fist*) because even he says himself he's 'a bit of a noob' when it comes to games, he's just very very good at boardcasting to the point IMHO he's better then most 'deadicated' TV shows.
Like I said in my other post above even TB didn't want to do a WTF of Rift he's just bored of those type of games now including WoW, so basing your subcription on ONE person's 'forced' comments is a little bit crazy.
LOL, I cancelled before I even saw his video. I m stating I agree with him, it gets boring and fast. If I was the only one saying this, then maybe theres something wrong with me, but many people have agreed with this comment. My guild in Aion have all come back but 1, so I m guessing it gets boring for some people.
They came *back* to Aion??... The game that flapped so badly in the western markets? No accounting for peoples taste I guess. <shrug> Personally, I'm quite enjoying Rift. Its a good, well polished game, and thats all I'm looking for at this point. I'll leave the chase for the One True Game(tm) for those who are still caught up in that.
It's sad to have to, yet again read aspects in the mmo genre, labled as WoW-features. Not even fps players, label a shooter a Counter Strike Source rip-off, because it has guns and hp. Personally I think it is time for people to seriously broaden their library of mmo's, go take some fresh air from wow to, anything really, come back and when a discussion rises, hopefully they too can take a logical and educated stance on the topic at hand. For the sake of, really not looking like a complete idiot on the internet.
Also what exactly is the difference between a 'first impressions review' and a 'WTF is?' Sorry to the person that corrected me and TB can call it whatever he wants but its a first impressions review with the added bonus of having a second opinion of someone that enjoys the game but more importantly has a deeper understanding of what's down the line and the end game.
I wasn't as much correcting you as I was just pointing out to everyone calling it a review (i.e. an evaluation made after extensively using/testing a product) that it was just a First Impressions Video (i.e. him sitting down for the first time playing it and recording while giving his impressions on the go).
Originally posted by Darkheart00
A WoW fanboy calls another MMO WoW clone what a shocker /s. These where same people calling WoW a EQ clone when it came out and when SWTOR comes out they will call it WoW in space. Nothing to see here move on.
A shame some people only focus on the term "WoW clone" and rage, when he himself both in the video and in this very thread (on more then one occasion) have stated and explained that he's not using it in a derogatory way.
I would take your reply seriously if you had more than 2 posts and both of them in the same thread. Anyway his explanation for his WoW clone argument is weak, the UI and cool downs etc he claims are similar to WoW were actually taken by WoW from EQ. SWTOR and GW2 will implement similar features so are they going to be WoW clones too /sigh.
Seriously? did you even watch the vid ffs? have you read the thread? Do you have the ability to think? A "wow fanboy" as you put it, calling another game a wow clone, how is that anything other than a compliment?
What i am saying is he sounds like someone who has never played anything other than WoW calling something WoW clone whether it is complement or critic shows ignorance, since most of the ideas are not invented by blizz in WoW but taken from EQ/UO/DAoC.
That's a false argument. It's been pretty well debated/discussed that there's a difference between how Blizzard took from other games to create WoW, and how other devs since are taking from WoW to create their own games.
WoW takes elements from various different games before it, hones them into a new experience that's unique from any other game that it borrowed from. WoW has a considerably different feel from DAoC, EQ, UO, etc... just as each of those MMOs had/have a different feel from each other.
When I first hopped into WoW it didn't feel or play like any of the games it borrowed from, nor any other MMO of that time; and I have played each of the games Blizzard cites for their inspiration. Yes, there are similarities.. quests, mobs, levels, skills, etc.. But those are more intrinsic to the RPG genre on the whole, not MMO's in particular. WoW feels like a very different experience from any of them, from the basic gameplay on up.
Rift, on the other hand, is taken almost whole-cloth from a single game: WoW, with an element from Warhammer (PQ's) added in and improved on. The result is a game that felt entirely too familiar to me from the moment I started playing. Let's put it this way... If you can log into a brand-new game and almost predict each turn of events as you're playing through it - because it's exactly how it's been in other games before it - and you turn out to be right more times than not.. it's pretty telling.
For example, when TB is running to the first town after the first few quests and sees those phantom things, he states that he'll probably be getting a quest to kill them very shortly... Lo and behold, only moments later, he's given a quest to kill them. You might say "well, duh... they're enemies, and they're around the town, of course you're going to have to kill them". Sure... but it's an example of the kind of predictability I'm talking about.
I found myself doing the same thing throughout the beta. It was just far too predictable, far too "familiar" and I felt far too much like I'd already played this game before... several times (WoW, Aion, Warhammer, RoM, etc...). It was an extremely polished, great-looking and well designed experience... I give Trion sincere kudos for the work they've done on it. That's just not the kind of game I'm looking for at this point.
Again, as TB states... that's not inherently a bad thing. It boils down to what you're looking for in a game. If you want WoW in a different, darker and more serious setting.. Rift is likely going to be a kick-ass game to you. If you're looking for something different a bit outside that mold, however... it's probably going to be underwhelming. It is what it is.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
This thread brings up a point which every one here should take home with them. The people who actually have been playing WoW religiously for the past 5 years, the fans of WoW, the people who are now burned out on WoW, they actually want nothing to do with a game like WoW.
So where are all the people playing Rift coming from then, if not from WoW? My guess is its the people who tried WoW but didnt like the game of WoW. The GUI, the mechanics they didnt mind, they just didn't like WoW, its community, so now they have an alternative to WoW, one they actually like.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
I knew that reading comprehension dropped in the Internet decade, but all the OMGLIEZ ! reactions indicate that the crowd can't even comprehend a video. TBs video almost recommended Rift to people that are burnt out by WoW but want similar gameplay with new content. I am actually interested in playing Rift, I might get it when I am either burned out of pissed off by Dragon Age 2. Unless Planetside 2 comes out this month
In Germany we refer to Pavlovian Conditioning when people jump to reactions without actually thinking.
I knew that reading comprehension dropped in the Internet decade, but all the OMGLIEZ ! reactions indicate that the crowd can't even comprehend a video. TBs video almost recommended Rift to people that are burnt out by WoW but want similar gameplay with new content. I am actually interested in playing Rift, I might get it when I am either burned out of pissed off by Dragon Age 2. Unless Planetside 2 comes out this month
In Germany we refer to Pavlovian Conditioning when people jump to reactions without actually thinking.
No the problem is he claims the ideas were copied from WoW while WoW itself borrowed those ideas from EQ, UO etc. Check his youtube comments has gotten a lot of negative remarks due to that.
No the problem is he claims the ideas were copied from WoW while WoW itself borrowed those ideas from EQ, UO etc. Check his youtube comments has gotten a lot of negative remarks due to that.
Guess what, he actually states that, too later in the video.
No the problem is he claims the ideas were copied from WoW while WoW itself borrowed those ideas from EQ, UO etc. Check his youtube comments has gotten a lot of negative remarks due to that.
Guess what, he actually states that, too later in the video.
He even says that within the first 5 minutes of the video, maybe even 3. Right after he says the UI is like WoWs he even says it is more like EQ, which pretty much started that standard look.
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TB is known as a WoW fanboy, so I don't take this review serious!
/faceslap He clearly said he was getting tired of MMORPGs with a combat system like WoW. So, I don't take your post serious.
Right he did, and what he should have done also is come out in the very beginning and say he wasn't really doing a review of Rift, what he was doing was a video on how he felt Rift was just trying to steal WoW players. Because that is exactly what he did with his video, every other comment, start to finish. He didnt do a review of Rift at all, he did a video to make comparisons betwen the two games as a way to vindicate his existing belief.
And as for the public speaking ideas, yes i know about public speaking and how it works. I also know there are things called objective perception and biased opinion. WHich one do you think TB was using in this video? Was he providing an objective 'review' or was he posturing a biased opinion?
He wasn't reviewing Rift. He also did come out and say in the description of the video that it is a first impressions video.
And "objective perception"? Watch gamespot reviews if you want that, not a first impressions video.
I dont get it.. people seem to be treating TB's video as if it was a negative thing, and yet all i got from it was positive regarding Rift.. am i misunderstanding something here.. or is it just that people are taking offence because its a WoW clone ?
No no, his video is not a bad thing at all. I stated that in my first post. I also stated I didnt care for how he went in biased on it. The person above you there called his review a 'first impressions' video. That implies whomever is doing the review is going to give you thier 'first impressions' of the game AS they experience it. In this case, TB stated up front, before he ever started playing the game for the first time, before he had a first impressions of it, that the game was in fact just a copy of WoW and that he didnt really even want to do the video because he felt the game was a waste of time, since he already had WoW.
So it wasn't a first impressions review at all, it was a video to back up his already determined stand point. Granted once he started talking to Dave he did start to lighten up his original dislike of the game (and that dislike was there before he ever played it by his own admission). He did try a couple of times to subvert the coments Dave was saying though which appeared to be attempts to devalue the significance of the facts. Further emphasizing his dislike of the game.
Had TB tried to be objective, to actually try and do a review of Rift, to try to give us his first impressions instead of his second impressions based off his first impressions he made prior to actually trying Rift, then this review might have been a great one. Like I said earlier, I usually love TB's review and videos, this one I just felt he started all wrong and let his love of WoW and dislike of anything that might threaten WoW to get in his way.
There really is a TON of stuff in Rift TB missed just because he had blinders on when he did this review. He missed so much of the plus side to the soul system simply because he couldnt' get past the idea in his head that it was just like it is in WoW. And even when Dave tried to tell him about it, TB just blew it away as insignificant. Same with the raid rifts, and the tiered raiding content. And the tiered PvP content. Just like so many people who come in biased in advance are doing as well.
If you knew the guy, and his shows, you would know how much he critices blizzard and always appeals to them to do better. And how competition is a good thing, because it may rise the standard of the games. Sure he likes wow, but he made a name for himself on the Internet by criticising WOW, how can you possibly claim he is blind and just loves wow? Its almost funny, because its more or less the complete opposite of what you are proposing. Mind boggling really how you manage to miss like that - I know its dangerous to write this, like I know exactly what he likes and thinks, but he has always made himself clear about competition and all of wows faults. So its impossible to portray him in the way you are, its just factual wrong.. And I like rift, and don't hate a person just because I disagree, just to throw that out there.
It's sad to have to, yet again read aspects in the mmo genre, labled as WoW-features. Not even fps players, label a shooter a Counter Strike Source rip-off, because it has guns and hp. Personally I think it is time for people to seriously broaden their library of mmo's, go take some fresh air from wow to, anything really, come back and when a discussion rises, hopefully they too can take a logical and educated stance on the topic at hand. For the sake of, really not looking like a complete idiot on the internet.
You didn't read all did you? Beucase that is not the issue. We all know everquest and wow is similar or whatever, but its that the placement of the healthbar, map etc is IDENTICAL. Sure fps have healthbar, a map etc, but they are never in the exact same position or form. Try again.
It's sad to have to, yet again read aspects in the mmo genre, labled as WoW-features. Not even fps players, label a shooter a Counter Strike Source rip-off, because it has guns and hp. Personally I think it is time for people to seriously broaden their library of mmo's, go take some fresh air from wow to, anything really, come back and when a discussion rises, hopefully they too can take a logical and educated stance on the topic at hand. For the sake of, really not looking like a complete idiot on the internet.
You didn't read all did you? Beucase that is not the issue. We all know everquest and wow is similar or whatever, but its that the placement of the healthbar, map etc is IDENTICAL. Sure fps have healthbar, a map etc, but they are never in the exact same position or form. Try again.
Why should that matter? Personally, after playing WoW for more than six years, I'm used to looking for things in those locations. I'm familiar with that, and its a good lay out, why should I have to learn a new one? Keeping things familiar is a good thing in my mind. New content, with some similiar systems is win-win to me.
I really don't know what all of the hysteria on either side is all about. I know some of you are caught up in the endless search for the One True Game(tm), but this is a game, not a religion. If you don't like Rift, go play something else. Those who consider it an entertaining, well polished game, will continue playing, no matter how much the haters howl. Its just that simple.
TB is known as a WoW fanboy, so I don't take this review serious!
/faceslap He clearly said he was getting tired of MMORPGs with a combat system like WoW. So, I don't take your post serious.
Right he did, and what he should have done also is come out in the very beginning and say he wasn't really doing a review of Rift, what he was doing was a video on how he felt Rift was just trying to steal WoW players. Because that is exactly what he did with his video, every other comment, start to finish. He didnt do a review of Rift at all, he did a video to make comparisons betwen the two games as a way to vindicate his existing belief.
And as for the public speaking ideas, yes i know about public speaking and how it works. I also know there are things called objective perception and biased opinion. WHich one do you think TB was using in this video? Was he providing an objective 'review' or was he posturing a biased opinion?
He wasn't reviewing Rift. He also did come out and say in the description of the video that it is a first impressions video.
And "objective perception"? Watch gamespot reviews if you want that, not a first impressions video.
I dont get it.. people seem to be treating TB's video as if it was a negative thing, and yet all i got from it was positive regarding Rift.. am i misunderstanding something here.. or is it just that people are taking offence because its a WoW clone ?
No no, his video is not a bad thing at all. I stated that in my first post. I also stated I didnt care for how he went in biased on it. The person above you there called his review a 'first impressions' video. That implies whomever is doing the review is going to give you thier 'first impressions' of the game AS they experience it. In this case, TB stated up front, before he ever started playing the game for the first time, before he had a first impressions of it, that the game was in fact just a copy of WoW and that he didnt really even want to do the video because he felt the game was a waste of time, since he already had WoW.
So it wasn't a first impressions review at all, it was a video to back up his already determined stand point. Granted once he started talking to Dave he did start to lighten up his original dislike of the game (and that dislike was there before he ever played it by his own admission). He did try a couple of times to subvert the coments Dave was saying though which appeared to be attempts to devalue the significance of the facts. Further emphasizing his dislike of the game.
Had TB tried to be objective, to actually try and do a review of Rift, to try to give us his first impressions instead of his second impressions based off his first impressions he made prior to actually trying Rift, then this review might have been a great one. Like I said earlier, I usually love TB's review and videos, this one I just felt he started all wrong and let his love of WoW and dislike of anything that might threaten WoW to get in his way.
There really is a TON of stuff in Rift TB missed just because he had blinders on when he did this review. He missed so much of the plus side to the soul system simply because he couldnt' get past the idea in his head that it was just like it is in WoW. And even when Dave tried to tell him about it, TB just blew it away as insignificant. Same with the raid rifts, and the tiered raiding content. And the tiered PvP content. Just like so many people who come in biased in advance are doing as well.
If you knew the guy, and his shows, you would know how much he critices blizzard and always appeals to them to do better. And how competition is a good thing, because it may rise the standard of the games. Sure he likes wow, but he made a name for himself on the Internet by criticising WOW, how can you possibly claim he is blind and just loves wow? Its almost funny, because its more or less the complete opposite of what you are proposing. Mind boggling really how you manage to miss like that - I know its dangerous to write this, like I know exactly what he likes and thinks, but he has always made himself clear about competition and all of wows faults. So its impossible to portray him in the way you are, its just factual wrong.. And I like rift, and don't hate a person just because I disagree, just to throw that out there.
I didnt say he is blind and just loves WoW, I said this video comes off that way. Seriously, all y'all go way off on what I said. I didnt say he was a WoW fanboy or a Rift hater. I said he built this particular ONE video in a manner that it comes off like he is those things. Why can't you people understand that? Nevermind though, I guess some people can see some things and others just look at the big picture and cry wolf if someone discusses things they dont like. Point still stands, he came off in that video as someone who hates Rift from the start, and believes it to be nothing more than a pure clone of WoW in EVERY aspect. Is anyone here willing to argue that point?
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Completely agree with him. End result, in that video is he says he can t see it not becoming boring quickly. That it does, cancelled my sub already.
TB and the video aren’t biased at all. A respected video reviewer talks his mind on some facts about the game. People sugar-coat their experience after buying something hyped and that is completely normal, this review however is honest, direct and with well thought through commentary. Face the facts, play if you are happy with it though. Great review.
Unfortunately, this video is not a review.
I watched the whole video and as i said I generally agree with it but WoW clone was used there in the beginnin in relation to describing how UI works before describing the actual game. So if you say that some ppl rage because someone calls Rift being WoW clone then I say some ppl are calling Rift a WoW clone because of UI similarities. Also in fact Rift takes as much from EQ for example yet nobody calls it EQ clone, do they? It's not a rage, just stating facts.
SO I looked up what a TotalBiscuit is because several posts here took affront to people maligning the reputation of or not properly showing respect for this TB person and his videos.
For those of us not familiiar with him, he's a guy that makes WOW (and other game) videos and he has a considerable following. When I say considerable, I mean that there's evidently over 400k people on the planet that both find this video entertaining and managed to find his YouTube channel. That scary commentary on humanity aside, from what I saw of his videos, his goal is to entertain and cater to his audience, and he does that very well. His viewers asked for a Rift video, so he created one and, considering he could have seriously Yahtzee'd that video to high heaven - it seems like he did a great job of providing a first impression view of the game while entertaining his viewers.
I guess what I'm saying is to just consider the source: an internet entertainer made a video that his fans requested.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
You sir are absolutely correct. A certified WoW fanboi has made a video about Rift for other certified WoW fanbois. How could it have turned out any other way.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
Just wondering did anyone happen to buy all the games that he gave a 'good review' with every WTF video then, or buy DCUO and Magicka because he enjoys them? Can anyone say what TB thinks is 100% true for everyone..
TB's 'word' is opinion only, not fact, much like every previewer/reviewer for anything really, TB has never stated anything different.
Going off one person's opinion only is quite foolish TBH, I'm just hoping most of his subcribers (i'm one too WTB so don't think this is a 'bash TB because he hates Rift' post) don't treat him like a massive game gru (like people do with Pratcher *shakes fist*) because even he says himself he's 'a bit of a noob' when it comes to games, he's just very very good at boardcasting to the point IMHO he's better then most 'deadicated' TV shows.
Like I said in my other post above even TB didn't want to do a WTF of Rift he's just bored of those type of games now including WoW, so basing your subcription on ONE person's 'forced' comments is a little bit crazy.
Bring on the WARRRRGGHH!
Which is the entire reason the link was posted here in the way that it was. Due to the nature of the video, the thread will most likely be closed.. there already is a rift comparison thread.
.. But in a good way.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Whether the UI looks like WOW or not is really a pointless issue. It is not as though WOW invented the UI - different windows for different aspects of the game, tooltips, target windows etc they were there before. What the UI does, it what it is supposed to do; look nice, and make the game easy to play, all the commands accessible without going through some arcane ritual and mass confusion.
A User Interface should be for the user and if a system works - use it. Don't re-invent the wheel; WoW didn't so why should Rift or any game that comes after.
Originally posted by shukes33
Grind is not one of the downfalls of DF it is just a feature.
LOL, I cancelled before I even saw his video. I m stating I agree with him, it gets boring and fast. If I was the only one saying this, then maybe theres something wrong with me, but many people have agreed with this comment. My guild in Aion have all come back but 1, so I m guessing it gets boring for some people.
Heya, TB.
I agree that calling something a WoW clone shouldn't be inherently a "negative". As you state in your video, it's a very good thing if that's what someone's looking for. Unfortunately, you'll find that many people around here think in absolutes and the term 'WoW clone' is used quite often with a negative connotation.
People also seldom take remarks in the full context of how they were presented. All they hear is "WoW clone" and everything before and after that may as well be static noise... 'cause they won't hear it.
Cherry-picking is an "official debate strategy" for many around here.
You've stated your case quite eloquently, both in the video and on here so far. Those who are willing to actually listen to or read what someone says (should) see where you're coming from. For those who are just looking to zealously defend "their game" against any and all negative opinion... well... good luck with them.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Unfortunately, you'll find that many people around here only watch 2 minutes of the +one hour video. Great video. TB is positive about things, he just points out the many obvious negatives, with facts. Dave balances TB in the last half hour by saying what got better in respect to wow.
They came *back* to Aion??... The game that flapped so badly in the western markets? No accounting for peoples taste I guess. <shrug> Personally, I'm quite enjoying Rift. Its a good, well polished game, and thats all I'm looking for at this point. I'll leave the chase for the One True Game(tm) for those who are still caught up in that.
It's sad to have to, yet again read aspects in the mmo genre, labled as WoW-features. Not even fps players, label a shooter a Counter Strike Source rip-off, because it has guns and hp. Personally I think it is time for people to seriously broaden their library of mmo's, go take some fresh air from wow to, anything really, come back and when a discussion rises, hopefully they too can take a logical and educated stance on the topic at hand. For the sake of, really not looking like a complete idiot on the internet.
That's a false argument. It's been pretty well debated/discussed that there's a difference between how Blizzard took from other games to create WoW, and how other devs since are taking from WoW to create their own games.
WoW takes elements from various different games before it, hones them into a new experience that's unique from any other game that it borrowed from. WoW has a considerably different feel from DAoC, EQ, UO, etc... just as each of those MMOs had/have a different feel from each other.
When I first hopped into WoW it didn't feel or play like any of the games it borrowed from, nor any other MMO of that time; and I have played each of the games Blizzard cites for their inspiration. Yes, there are similarities.. quests, mobs, levels, skills, etc.. But those are more intrinsic to the RPG genre on the whole, not MMO's in particular. WoW feels like a very different experience from any of them, from the basic gameplay on up.
Rift, on the other hand, is taken almost whole-cloth from a single game: WoW, with an element from Warhammer (PQ's) added in and improved on. The result is a game that felt entirely too familiar to me from the moment I started playing. Let's put it this way... If you can log into a brand-new game and almost predict each turn of events as you're playing through it - because it's exactly how it's been in other games before it - and you turn out to be right more times than not.. it's pretty telling.
For example, when TB is running to the first town after the first few quests and sees those phantom things, he states that he'll probably be getting a quest to kill them very shortly... Lo and behold, only moments later, he's given a quest to kill them. You might say "well, duh... they're enemies, and they're around the town, of course you're going to have to kill them". Sure... but it's an example of the kind of predictability I'm talking about.
I found myself doing the same thing throughout the beta. It was just far too predictable, far too "familiar" and I felt far too much like I'd already played this game before... several times (WoW, Aion, Warhammer, RoM, etc...). It was an extremely polished, great-looking and well designed experience... I give Trion sincere kudos for the work they've done on it. That's just not the kind of game I'm looking for at this point.
Again, as TB states... that's not inherently a bad thing. It boils down to what you're looking for in a game. If you want WoW in a different, darker and more serious setting.. Rift is likely going to be a kick-ass game to you. If you're looking for something different a bit outside that mold, however... it's probably going to be underwhelming. It is what it is.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
This thread brings up a point which every one here should take home with them. The people who actually have been playing WoW religiously for the past 5 years, the fans of WoW, the people who are now burned out on WoW, they actually want nothing to do with a game like WoW.
So where are all the people playing Rift coming from then, if not from WoW? My guess is its the people who tried WoW but didnt like the game of WoW. The GUI, the mechanics they didnt mind, they just didn't like WoW, its community, so now they have an alternative to WoW, one they actually like.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
I knew that reading comprehension dropped in the Internet decade, but all the OMGLIEZ ! reactions indicate that the crowd can't even comprehend a video. TBs video almost recommended Rift to people that are burnt out by WoW but want similar gameplay with new content. I am actually interested in playing Rift, I might get it when I am either burned out of pissed off by Dragon Age 2. Unless Planetside 2 comes out this month
In Germany we refer to Pavlovian Conditioning when people jump to reactions without actually thinking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_conditioning
No the problem is he claims the ideas were copied from WoW while WoW itself borrowed those ideas from EQ, UO etc. Check his youtube comments has gotten a lot of negative remarks due to that.
Guess what, he actually states that, too later in the video.
He even says that within the first 5 minutes of the video, maybe even 3. Right after he says the UI is like WoWs he even says it is more like EQ, which pretty much started that standard look.
"Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about events, and small minds talk about people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
"Americans used to roar like lions for liberty; now we bleat like sheep for security." -Norman Vincent Peale
If you knew the guy, and his shows, you would know how much he critices blizzard and always appeals to them to do better. And how competition is a good thing, because it may rise the standard of the games. Sure he likes wow, but he made a name for himself on the Internet by criticising WOW, how can you possibly claim he is blind and just loves wow? Its almost funny, because its more or less the complete opposite of what you are proposing. Mind boggling really how you manage to miss like that - I know its dangerous to write this, like I know exactly what he likes and thinks, but he has always made himself clear about competition and all of wows faults. So its impossible to portray him in the way you are, its just factual wrong.. And I like rift, and don't hate a person just because I disagree, just to throw that out there.
You didn't read all did you? Beucase that is not the issue. We all know everquest and wow is similar or whatever, but its that the placement of the healthbar, map etc is IDENTICAL. Sure fps have healthbar, a map etc, but they are never in the exact same position or form. Try again.
Why should that matter? Personally, after playing WoW for more than six years, I'm used to looking for things in those locations. I'm familiar with that, and its a good lay out, why should I have to learn a new one? Keeping things familiar is a good thing in my mind. New content, with some similiar systems is win-win to me.
I really don't know what all of the hysteria on either side is all about. I know some of you are caught up in the endless search for the One True Game(tm), but this is a game, not a religion. If you don't like Rift, go play something else. Those who consider it an entertaining, well polished game, will continue playing, no matter how much the haters howl. Its just that simple.
I didnt say he is blind and just loves WoW, I said this video comes off that way. Seriously, all y'all go way off on what I said. I didnt say he was a WoW fanboy or a Rift hater. I said he built this particular ONE video in a manner that it comes off like he is those things. Why can't you people understand that? Nevermind though, I guess some people can see some things and others just look at the big picture and cry wolf if someone discusses things they dont like. Point still stands, he came off in that video as someone who hates Rift from the start, and believes it to be nothing more than a pure clone of WoW in EVERY aspect. Is anyone here willing to argue that point?