there is a mob mentality to wow on this forum at least. Everyone hates wow. They all blast it and very few defend it.
The majority of people and im not saying all but majority claim wow ruined mmos. Without wow mmos might not exist at all.
If companies werent trying to be the next blizzard half the mmo;s wouldnt get the budgets they get today.
Its cool to blast wow so they join in . Or else they blast wow because they cant stand wow let gasp more then 5 pct of the population actually see there raids.
its not uncommon to jump on a bandwagon watch wrestling. The crowd boos a guy so u do. You may be booing cause u generally dont like the guy or u may boo because everyone else. is.
one day randy orton was the bad guy the next half the crowd cheered him on way to ring then next thign u know the whole crowd is cheering by time he is done speaking.
Same thing here they see that the majority of mmorpg guys blast wow so they join in.
truth is wow is a fun game whose ui is easy to catch on to and use. thats why wow is popular.
LMAO, you're fun to read )
You make no point whatsoever, but you certainly make me laugh IRL.
You're right, fun to read.
"Without wow mmos might not exist at all." Hmm, didn't MMOs exist before WOW even was released? I say too bad it does exist though.
"If companies werent trying to be the next blizzard half the mmo's wouldnt get the budgets they get today." Proof?
I suspect that many players are jealous that they cannot play WoW
I actually took your post seriously until I got to that highlighted part. I'm gonna answer seriously anyway though.
And a majority of the people dislike the direction the game is going, "easy mode", which is my main complaint with WoW.
It came to me that a lot of people flaming on WoW say they don't like it because they have to pay to play it, they don't really know what it's about, or they really want to try the game but fear their friends will make fun of them for it.
And as to easy mode Cataclysm's reverted a lot of Wrath's dulling down of the game. Heroic raids are surprisingly heroic, nowadays.
@OP. Sounds like WOW is your first and perhaps only MMORPG.
Hmm... Not sure how you assumed this. I've played Knight Online, Maplestory, Guild Wars, LoTRO (though not for very long), Flyff, Rappelz, runescape (god I spent too much time on that one), Kingdom of Loathing (if this even counts), Cabal Online (I hated it and quit pretty early), Drift City, League of Legends (not sure if this really qualifies as an MMO), and Vindictus.
Is WoW my favourite MMO? But even if I quit for, say, Guild Wars 2 (which I plan on doing), I will still recognize it as one of the best games of all time.
And to Causs, sure you may not like the game, but there has to be a reason. Maybe you find repetetive activites extremely dull, or you just aren't the type to play an MMO. But whatever, I'm not trying to convince you to like it. I'm just talking about how many people unjustly dislike it.
That's a good point and I never thought of it that way. I wasn't under the impression that players believed WoW ruined the industry. I agree with you on jumping on the bandwagon. I mean just look at Justin Bieber: Everyone hates him but no one can really give a reason as to why.
I want to say that I have nothing against WoW, but I can’t. I tried it a few years back and can say that I honestly found nothing that I liked. Zilch, nada. I don’t hate WoW or it’s players. It is just not a game for me. Shoot, my wife took one look at it and said “You are not putting THAT on my computer.” I played my free time then cancelled. No hard feelings, just not for me.
I want to say that I have nothing against WoW, but I can’t. I tried it a few years back and can say that I honestly found nothing that I liked. Zilch, nada. I don’t hate WoW or it’s players. It is just not a game for me. Shoot, my wife took one look at it and said “You are not putting THAT on my computer.” I played my free time then cancelled. No hard feelings, just not for me.
This is the kind of opinion I'm perfectly fine with. I just don't like when people flame it or insult you for playing WoW just because it's mainstream or it's perceived as being a "loser's game".
Theres a reason wow has 14 million subs and other mmos have issues mainting 1 million.
Huh? Where did you come up with 14 million, are we just making up numbers for WoW now? Since the last press release by Blizzard said it was at 12 million. Where did the 2 million you added to the number come from? If Blizzard released a press release for 14 million I must have missed it, can you please provide a link. Here is the 12 million subscriber press release, link, now it is time for you to show the 14 million one please.
Originally posted by superdfc
What are your thoughts on this?
I really cannot say I have anything against Blizzard or WoW, although I really cannot say that about their fan base. There is a certain segment of the fanbase that is completely zealots, and if you do not believe Blizzard is the God of gaming they will spend hours explaining to you how wonderful Blizzard is. I have seen the faithful on pretty much ever website I go to now days. In fact the other day I was on a website for a First person shooter and one of the zealots was their spreading the faith.
He or she was saying how Blizzard puts the company making the game to shame, and if Blizzard made a FPS it would be the best one ever made. It would make half-life look like a game designed by 3 year olds.
These are the people that that give WoW and Blizzard a bad name, they are not content to play their game; they have to try and make everyone see how wonderful it is. Blizzard has nothing to do with FPS they should not even be brought up on a website about a FPS. But if you try to tell a Blizzard Zealot that, you get a lecture on how great Blizzard is and without Blizzard gaming would be dead.
Honestly I can say I really really dislike the Zealots more than anything else on the face of the earth! They have made it so I will never play another Blizzard game online ever again! I know when I get Diablo 3, I will just play with my friends or solo. Since I know if I play online there is a good chance one of those zealots finally might make me snap and go on a shooting rampage. Just kidding, although it will make it so I quit online gaming altogether so I do not have to deal with them ever again. That is how much I dislike the Blizzard Zealots.
I love Wow, but I hate what it's become since Ghostcrawler was allowed to run amok with it. I'd gladly play again if Ghostcrawler were booted elsewhere and a developer with an appreciation of the original game's vision took his place. I'm not sure what that would take, though.
I'm pretty certain that a lot of people who get pegged as "anti-WoW" or "haters" feel the same way I do. Love the game, but hate what they've done with it.
QFT , We shall see how long it last , but since GC is also responsible partialy for Titan .
He won´t get boot at all , truth is GC doesn´t understand that without older/veteran gamers .
You need to dumb down the game extreme , since it is a change of generation .
The dumbing down of the game , made the gamers even more lazy .
To appreciate silly repeating 2 min dance routines .
But they are back a bit on the right track with easy epix in 4.1 .
Maybe that will help the selfishe gamers have fun again , but for many older gamers it is already too late .
Theres a reason wow has 14 million subs and other mmos have issues mainting 1 million.
Huh? Where did you come up with 14 million, are we just making up numbers for WoW now? Since the last press release by Blizzard said it was at 12 million. Where did the 2 million you added to the number come from? If Blizzard released a press release for 14 million I must have missed it, can you please provide a link. Here is the 12 million subscriber press release, link, now it is time for you to show the 14 million one please.
Originally posted by superdfc
What are your thoughts on this?
I really cannot say I have anything against Blizzard or WoW, although I really cannot say that about their fan base. There is a certain segment of the fanbase that is completely zealots, and if you do not believe Blizzard is the God of gaming they will spend hours explaining to you how wonderful Blizzard is. I have seen the faithful on pretty much ever website I go to now days. In fact the other day I was on a website for a First person shooter and one of the zealots was their spreading the faith.
He or she was saying how Blizzard puts the company making the game to shame, and if Blizzard made a FPS it would be the best one ever made. It would make half-life look like a game designed by 3 year olds.
These are the people that that give WoW and Blizzard a bad name, they are not content to play their game; they have to try and make everyone see how wonderful it is. Blizzard has nothing to do with FPS they should not even be brought up on a website about a FPS. But if you try to tell a Blizzard Zealot that, you get a lecture on how great Blizzard is and without Blizzard gaming would be dead.
Honestly I can say I really really dislike the Zealots more than anything else on the face of the earth! They have made it so I will never play another Blizzard game online ever again! I know when I get Diablo 3, I will just play with my friends or solo. Since I know if I play online there is a good chance one of those zealots finally might make me snap and go on a shooting rampage. Just kidding, although it will make it so I quit online gaming altogether so I do not have to deal with them ever again. That is how much I dislike the Blizzard Zealots.
You could say the same about the haters though. Blizzard could make the perfect game but because it is Blizzard aka "the Great Satan" they will hate against it. There are highly vocal extremist on both sides.
Nice redirect about the number of subscribers...whether it is 12 or 14 compaired to 1 the number does not matter. The issue is the same that Blizzard made a game that hugh numbers like compaired to other games. You can call these people sheep or say that they do not try other games, but most of those numbers, as has been stated here, are from Asian countries. You think in Asia there is not a flood of games and that people playing WoW have not tried other games? Most of them pay no by subscription, but by game time which makes it very easy for them to play multiple games, yet they keep playing WoW (possibly in conjuction with other games). Even here in America Online games are everywhere. From the PS's to XBox. The fact that WoW created a game that keeps people playing in such large numbers for so many years with so many other non MMORPG competitors means they must be doing something right.
I suspect that many players are jealous that they cannot play WoW
I actually took your post seriously until I got to that highlighted part. I'm gonna answer seriously anyway though.
And a majority of the people dislike the direction the game is going, "easy mode", which is my main complaint with WoW.
It came to me that a lot of people flaming on WoW say they don't like it because they have to pay to play it, they don't really know what it's about, or they really want to try the game but fear their friends will make fun of them for it.
And as to easy mode Cataclysm's reverted a lot of Wrath's dulling down of the game. Heroic raids are surprisingly heroic, nowadays.
I think people are less Anti WOW and more Anti anything post BC. The real trouble with wow now isn't the original game its the souless unbalanced mess that Kalgan and GC made of it. If Tigole had been supervising things closer to the vest chances are it wouldt have been that bad.
I really wish if they ever do Emerald Dream that he would walk back to WOW like Ninja action Jesus and just hit the undo button on his underlings garbage.
Also I think the wow clones have something to do with it. People try to play games outside of wow to NOT play wow. Greedy devs on the other hand are making everything a wow clone, even if it doesnt make sense for that particular game, it ruined WAR, AOC and LOTR and will probably be the demise of TOR as well.
@OP. Sounds like WOW is your first and perhaps only MMORPG.
Hmm... Not sure how you assumed this. I've played Knight Online, Maplestory, Guild Wars, LoTRO (though not for very long), Flyff, Rappelz, runescape (god I spent too much time on that one), Kingdom of Loathing (if this even counts), Cabal Online (I hated it and quit pretty early), Drift City, League of Legends (not sure if this really qualifies as an MMO), and Vindictus.
Is WoW my favourite MMO? But even if I quit for, say, Guild Wars 2 (which I plan on doing), I will still recognize it as one of the best games of all time.
And to Causs, sure you may not like the game, but there has to be a reason. Maybe you find repetetive activites extremely dull, or you just aren't the type to play an MMO. But whatever, I'm not trying to convince you to like it. I'm just talking about how many people unjustly dislike it.
Not being funny but going on that game list it's no great suprise you don't understand why some dislike WoW and what they feel (rightly or wrongly) it has done to the genre.
There is no doubt though that some bash on the game simply because they perceive it to be the de rigueur thing to do.
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
I've never played WoW, (other then about 5 minutes) and I don't want to play it. I am also a WoW hater, and turning into a Blizzard hater as well. It's a shame because they use to do things great, and I was a Blizzard fanboy, but I don't see anything but corporate greed anymore. They don't earn their money, they just sit back and let people keep paying to play the same trash that they had from 6 years. They hardly put out more content then these Dev's that don't have a hundredth of their budget. If you want to sit there and take their crap, calling it gold then go ahead, but for how much they make they should be giving a hell of alot more back. When anyone shows an interest in mmo's or games in general I will never direct them to a Blizzard product. I'm going to spend my money and time on products from a company that will work for their dollar.
If you want proof, just look at the horrendous AI in Starcraft II. If they can't fix that crap, then they are not even trying. Age of Empires didn't have the same problems, and it was from the era of the original Starcraft.
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
I've never played WoW, (other then about 5 minutes) and I don't want to play it. I am also a WoW hater, and turning into a Blizzard hater as well. It's a shame because they use to do things great, and I was a Blizzard fanboy, but I don't see anything but corporate greed anymore. They don't earn their money, they just sit back and let people keep paying to play the same trash that they had from 6 years. They hardly put out more content then these Dev's that don't have a hundredth of their budget. If you want to sit there and take their crap, calling it gold then go ahead, but for how much they make they should be giving a hell of alot more back. When anyone shows an interest in mmo's or games in general I will never direct them to a Blizzard product. I'm going to spend my money and time on products from a company that will work for their dollar.
If you want proof, just look at the horrendous AI in Starcraft II. If they can't fix that crap, then they are not even trying. Age of Empires didn't have the same problems, and it was from the era of the original Starcraft.
To the green: Why is the surprise? The behemoths rarely live up to their budget or what they could do. Wal Mart is not the place to go for customer service. Innovation is not a topic Microsoft knows a lot about.
Wal Mart still wins, Microsoft still wins, Charlie Sheen still wins.
Wal Mart is planning to open convenience stores now that are your basic fare, but include pharmcies and possibly gas stations in an effort to raise profits. These stores will also aim to compete on the dollar-store level as well and, as wal mart has proven more, they're willing to sell an item at or below cost to shut down competition
Spec'ing properly is a gateway drug. 12 Million People have been meter spammed in heroics.
I don't hate the game, I'm just disappointed in it. Before the first expansion, the game just had this very organic feel to it. Even though it had some rough spots, it was still this polished world that you could play in to your hearts content. There were no boundaries; the world felt real (as much as a game can), and exploration was often rewarding. You had quest hubs and instances, but there was some degree of separation. There were plenty of things in the game that required a lot of effort, and some were nigh unattainable (like the old Grand Marshal title). There was a decent spread in levels, and you would run into other players at most quest hubs. I met so many people just running around various places.
[Disclaimer: I have no purchased or played WoW Cata; this is up to the end of WotLK]
Starting with TBC, the game started a downward spiral. We were thrown into the rainbow-puke colored kaledioscope of Outland. There was hardly anything worth exploring; the entire region felt devoid of the little touches that made the Vanilla zones seem so organic. The quest hubs weren't merely there, they had technicolor signs pointing the way. The new PVP system made everything within arms reach if you just put in a bit of time. Azeroth became a ghost town except for the draenei and blood elf lands.
WotLK was the icing on the failcake. Everybody relocated to Darnassus. All of Azeroth and Outland emptied. The quest hubs became mindless. You were hand held from one hub to the next, and even to the actual quest objectives. Exloration, completely and utterly gone. Instances from low level to Northrend. Hubs and instances that are spoon fed to you for the rest. The pvp is more of a joke that it has ever been with developers taking turn rubberbanding classes back and forth between obsoletion and godhood.
The game used to be fun, but now it's just....I don't know. I'm burnt out on the game, but in the back of my mind, I know I would resub in a heartbeat if they introduced a server that only went up to the original Naxx in terms of progression, no expansions, space goats, or Horde-flooding blood elves.
Agree or disagree, the above is just my person viewpoint/opinion.
I've played WoW for years and loved it. Game review websites, critics, and players have found the game extremely enjoyable, and the evidence is the ammount of subscribers Blizzard has. The game is fun, packed with content, hilarious at times, full of lore, and very deep.
Years ago, before I could play the game because my parents did not let me pay for a subscription fee, I harboured anti-WoW sentiments even though I knew little of the game. I thought the game was for "nerds" or people living in their parent's basement and my classmates frequently joked about it (This was during elementary school, so don't give me grief). I didn't understand what the game was all about, didn't know how good it was, and always thought that games like Runescape were king in the MMORPG district.
I've noticed that on this website WoW has a remarkably low rating compared to how good it actually is. I feel that there's a lot of distaste towards WoW because people believe their MMORPGs are better, have never given WoW a try, etc. I'm getting tired of people dissing WoW and complaining about things like grinding for reputation (which everyone seems to call out despite the fact that WoW's grind is so much less time consuming than most MMORPGs out there). I suspect that many players are jealous that they cannot play WoW (as I was) or tired of their favourite games being beneath WoW. This jealousy has resulted in WoW scoring at 7.73 on this site, which is lower than most games that aren't out yet, and about the same as much worse games like Maplestory (Essentially one big grind with little or no purpose).
What are your thoughts on this?
Nobodies jealous. Most of us are older than you and come from a very different backround. Your speaking to veterans that have played WoW since vanilla. Your new to this so it's understandable that you would like WoW so much. But the majority of us are looking for innovation and originality in a game now. We're tired of the same crap. Wow is old news and posting a thread like this is going to spark up alot of controversey because threads like these are just as old as WoW.
My point is most of us realize that WoW was a good game but the key word is was, it's had it's time.
P.S. I would hardly say any game is "beneath WoW". Just because WoW has the most subs doesn't make it the best game. If that's all you pay attention too then your not a good gamer imo.
Most people go through life pretending to be a boss. I go through life pretending I'm not.
They hardly put out more content then these Dev's that don't have a hundredth of their budget.
If you'd try playing the game for more than "5 minutes" you would have noticed that content comes out every few months or so. This is usually in the form of a new feature and/or new dungeon(s). WoW pumps out content and the game has improved greatly since launch because they take what other games call "revolutionary" (Ahem, Warhammer online's levelling through pvp and queueing from everywhere) and implement it in their game, improving it and allowing it to grow.
I've played WoW for years and loved it. Game review websites, critics, and players have found the game extremely enjoyable, and the evidence is the ammount of subscribers Blizzard has. The game is fun, packed with content, hilarious at times, full of lore, and very deep.
Years ago, before I could play the game because my parents did not let me pay for a subscription fee, I harboured anti-WoW sentiments even though I knew little of the game. I thought the game was for "nerds" or people living in their parent's basement and my classmates frequently joked about it (This was during elementary school, so don't give me grief). I didn't understand what the game was all about, didn't know how good it was, and always thought that games like Runescape were king in the MMORPG district.
I've noticed that on this website WoW has a remarkably low rating compared to how good it actually is. I feel that there's a lot of distaste towards WoW because people believe their MMORPGs are better, have never given WoW a try, etc. I'm getting tired of people dissing WoW and complaining about things like grinding for reputation (which everyone seems to call out despite the fact that WoW's grind is so much less time consuming than most MMORPGs out there). I suspect that many players are jealous that they cannot play WoW (as I was) or tired of their favourite games being beneath WoW. This jealousy has resulted in WoW scoring at 7.73 on this site, which is lower than most games that aren't out yet, and about the same as much worse games like Maplestory (Essentially one big grind with little or no purpose).
What are your thoughts on this?
Nobodies jealous. Most of us are older than you and come from a very different backround. Your speaking to veterans that have played WoW since vanilla. Your new to this so it's understandable that you would like WoW so much. But the majority of us are looking for innovation and originality in a game now. We're tired of the same crap. Wow is old news and posting a thread like this is going to spark up alot of controversey because threads like these are just as old as WoW.
My point is most of us realize that WoW was a good game but the key word is was, it's had it's time.
P.S. I would hardly say any game is "beneath WoW". Just because WoW has the most subs doesn't make it the best game. If that's all you pay attention too then your not a good gamer imo.
I don't really know why you have to attack my age, but if a game's innovation and originality fade because too much time has past does this make it a bad game and worthy of having a lower rating than, say, LoTRO (which is a clone if I ever saw one and has much less content).
And to your comment on who I'm speaking to I'm not targetting WoW "veterans", I'm targetting people who attack the game but have never really given it a try. Just because you want some innovation doesn't make this game bad. Just look for a new game and rate that high. Why bother flaming this one?
Nice redirect about the number of subscribers...whether it is 12 or 14 compaired to 1 the number does not matter. The issue is the same that Blizzard made a game that hugh numbers like compaired to other games. You can call these people sheep or say that they do not try other games, but most of those numbers, as has been stated here, are from Asian countries. You think in Asia there is not a flood of games and that people playing WoW have not tried other games? Most of them pay no by subscription, but by game time which makes it very easy for them to play multiple games, yet they keep playing WoW (possibly in conjuction with other games). Even here in America Online games are everywhere. From the PS's to XBox. The fact that WoW created a game that keeps people playing in such large numbers for so many years with so many other non MMORPG competitors means they must be doing something right.
I agree nice redirect on your part! If you notice I was trying to correct somebody that was saying something that is wrong. The facts are that Blizzard has a press release saying 12 million not 14 million that was what I was trying to point out. Why do facts really matter 12 million or 14 million it is all the same right? Did you know that Dragon Age 2 is the fastest selling RPG of all time; it has sold 5 million copies in a month. Ah yeah you are right facts do not matter at all!
But great job in redirecting that so you can tell us all about Blizzard’s subscriber numbers in great detail, with your unbiased opinion added in. Plus you did a wonderful job defending the game from points I didn’t even make! I applaud you, I am sure another Blizzard angel got his wings today!
Who cares about the number. His point was not the number 14 million...his point was the hugh difference in subscribers between WoW and the next game. Instead of addressing him about how WoW has millions (with his number give or take 2 million) it is still 10 million more people playing than the next game. You did not want to address that issue you instead wanted to attack his number and not the issue. That is like attacting someone's spelling cause you can not address the issue. In other words redirect people from the issue of the hugh ammount more playing WoW and instead talk about how his number is wrong. Who cares. 11 or 14 million that is still a small country more than the next game of people playing.
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You're right, fun to read.
"Without wow mmos might not exist at all." Hmm, didn't MMOs exist before WOW even was released? I say too bad it does exist though.
"If companies werent trying to be the next blizzard half the mmo's wouldnt get the budgets they get today." Proof?
Lol, this made me laugh.
It came to me that a lot of people flaming on WoW say they don't like it because they have to pay to play it, they don't really know what it's about, or they really want to try the game but fear their friends will make fun of them for it.
And as to easy mode Cataclysm's reverted a lot of Wrath's dulling down of the game. Heroic raids are surprisingly heroic, nowadays.
Hmm... Not sure how you assumed this. I've played Knight Online, Maplestory, Guild Wars, LoTRO (though not for very long), Flyff, Rappelz, runescape (god I spent too much time on that one), Kingdom of Loathing (if this even counts), Cabal Online (I hated it and quit pretty early), Drift City, League of Legends (not sure if this really qualifies as an MMO), and Vindictus.
Is WoW my favourite MMO? But even if I quit for, say, Guild Wars 2 (which I plan on doing), I will still recognize it as one of the best games of all time.
And to Causs, sure you may not like the game, but there has to be a reason. Maybe you find repetetive activites extremely dull, or you just aren't the type to play an MMO. But whatever, I'm not trying to convince you to like it. I'm just talking about how many people unjustly dislike it.
To Kalinis,
That's a good point and I never thought of it that way. I wasn't under the impression that players believed WoW ruined the industry. I agree with you on jumping on the bandwagon. I mean just look at Justin Bieber: Everyone hates him but no one can really give a reason as to why.
I want to say that I have nothing against WoW, but I can’t. I tried it a few years back and can say that I honestly found nothing that I liked. Zilch, nada. I don’t hate WoW or it’s players. It is just not a game for me. Shoot, my wife took one look at it and said “You are not putting THAT on my computer.” I played my free time then cancelled. No hard feelings, just not for me.
This is the kind of opinion I'm perfectly fine with. I just don't like when people flame it or insult you for playing WoW just because it's mainstream or it's perceived as being a "loser's game".
Huh? Where did you come up with 14 million, are we just making up numbers for WoW now? Since the last press release by Blizzard said it was at 12 million. Where did the 2 million you added to the number come from? If Blizzard released a press release for 14 million I must have missed it, can you please provide a link. Here is the 12 million subscriber press release, link, now it is time for you to show the 14 million one please.
I really cannot say I have anything against Blizzard or WoW, although I really cannot say that about their fan base. There is a certain segment of the fanbase that is completely zealots, and if you do not believe Blizzard is the God of gaming they will spend hours explaining to you how wonderful Blizzard is. I have seen the faithful on pretty much ever website I go to now days. In fact the other day I was on a website for a First person shooter and one of the zealots was their spreading the faith.
He or she was saying how Blizzard puts the company making the game to shame, and if Blizzard made a FPS it would be the best one ever made. It would make half-life look like a game designed by 3 year olds.
These are the people that that give WoW and Blizzard a bad name, they are not content to play their game; they have to try and make everyone see how wonderful it is. Blizzard has nothing to do with FPS they should not even be brought up on a website about a FPS. But if you try to tell a Blizzard Zealot that, you get a lecture on how great Blizzard is and without Blizzard gaming would be dead.
Honestly I can say I really really dislike the Zealots more than anything else on the face of the earth! They have made it so I will never play another Blizzard game online ever again! I know when I get Diablo 3, I will just play with my friends or solo. Since I know if I play online there is a good chance one of those zealots finally might make me snap and go on a shooting rampage. Just kidding, although it will make it so I quit online gaming altogether so I do not have to deal with them ever again. That is how much I dislike the Blizzard Zealots.
QFT , We shall see how long it last , but since GC is also responsible partialy for Titan .
He won´t get boot at all , truth is GC doesn´t understand that without older/veteran gamers .
You need to dumb down the game extreme , since it is a change of generation .
The dumbing down of the game , made the gamers even more lazy .
To appreciate silly repeating 2 min dance routines .
But they are back a bit on the right track with easy epix in 4.1 .
Maybe that will help the selfishe gamers have fun again , but for many older gamers it is already too late .
The ultimate "skinners box" MMO.
You could say the same about the haters though. Blizzard could make the perfect game but because it is Blizzard aka "the Great Satan" they will hate against it. There are highly vocal extremist on both sides.
Nice redirect about the number of subscribers...whether it is 12 or 14 compaired to 1 the number does not matter. The issue is the same that Blizzard made a game that hugh numbers like compaired to other games. You can call these people sheep or say that they do not try other games, but most of those numbers, as has been stated here, are from Asian countries. You think in Asia there is not a flood of games and that people playing WoW have not tried other games? Most of them pay no by subscription, but by game time which makes it very easy for them to play multiple games, yet they keep playing WoW (possibly in conjuction with other games). Even here in America Online games are everywhere. From the PS's to XBox. The fact that WoW created a game that keeps people playing in such large numbers for so many years with so many other non MMORPG competitors means they must be doing something right.
I think people are less Anti WOW and more Anti anything post BC. The real trouble with wow now isn't the original game its the souless unbalanced mess that Kalgan and GC made of it. If Tigole had been supervising things closer to the vest chances are it wouldt have been that bad.
I really wish if they ever do Emerald Dream that he would walk back to WOW like Ninja action Jesus and just hit the undo button on his underlings garbage.
Also I think the wow clones have something to do with it. People try to play games outside of wow to NOT play wow. Greedy devs on the other hand are making everything a wow clone, even if it doesnt make sense for that particular game, it ruined WAR, AOC and LOTR and will probably be the demise of TOR as well.
I'm not "Anti WoW"....I just dislike the way people in other games chat about WoW or compare everything to WoW.
WoW didn't invent MMORPGs and WoW doesn't do everyhting the best way for all players...so when you're in another game...stfu about WoW.
That's all.
Not being funny but going on that game list it's no great suprise you don't understand why some dislike WoW and what they feel (rightly or wrongly) it has done to the genre.
There is no doubt though that some bash on the game simply because they perceive it to be the de rigueur thing to do.
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
this sums it up perfectly!
I've never played WoW, (other then about 5 minutes) and I don't want to play it. I am also a WoW hater, and turning into a Blizzard hater as well. It's a shame because they use to do things great, and I was a Blizzard fanboy, but I don't see anything but corporate greed anymore. They don't earn their money, they just sit back and let people keep paying to play the same trash that they had from 6 years. They hardly put out more content then these Dev's that don't have a hundredth of their budget. If you want to sit there and take their crap, calling it gold then go ahead, but for how much they make they should be giving a hell of alot more back. When anyone shows an interest in mmo's or games in general I will never direct them to a Blizzard product. I'm going to spend my money and time on products from a company that will work for their dollar.
If you want proof, just look at the horrendous AI in Starcraft II. If they can't fix that crap, then they are not even trying. Age of Empires didn't have the same problems, and it was from the era of the original Starcraft.
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
I don't hate much, but I hate Apple© with a passion. If Steve Jobs was alive, I would punch him in the face.
To the green: Why is the surprise? The behemoths rarely live up to their budget or what they could do. Wal Mart is not the place to go for customer service. Innovation is not a topic Microsoft knows a lot about.
Wal Mart still wins, Microsoft still wins, Charlie Sheen still wins.
Wal Mart is planning to open convenience stores now that are your basic fare, but include pharmcies and possibly gas stations in an effort to raise profits. These stores will also aim to compete on the dollar-store level as well and, as wal mart has proven more, they're willing to sell an item at or below cost to shut down competition
Spec'ing properly is a gateway drug.
12 Million People have been meter spammed in heroics.
I don't hate the game, I'm just disappointed in it. Before the first expansion, the game just had this very organic feel to it. Even though it had some rough spots, it was still this polished world that you could play in to your hearts content. There were no boundaries; the world felt real (as much as a game can), and exploration was often rewarding. You had quest hubs and instances, but there was some degree of separation. There were plenty of things in the game that required a lot of effort, and some were nigh unattainable (like the old Grand Marshal title). There was a decent spread in levels, and you would run into other players at most quest hubs. I met so many people just running around various places.
[Disclaimer: I have no purchased or played WoW Cata; this is up to the end of WotLK]
Starting with TBC, the game started a downward spiral. We were thrown into the rainbow-puke colored kaledioscope of Outland. There was hardly anything worth exploring; the entire region felt devoid of the little touches that made the Vanilla zones seem so organic. The quest hubs weren't merely there, they had technicolor signs pointing the way. The new PVP system made everything within arms reach if you just put in a bit of time. Azeroth became a ghost town except for the draenei and blood elf lands.
WotLK was the icing on the failcake. Everybody relocated to Darnassus. All of Azeroth and Outland emptied. The quest hubs became mindless. You were hand held from one hub to the next, and even to the actual quest objectives. Exloration, completely and utterly gone. Instances from low level to Northrend. Hubs and instances that are spoon fed to you for the rest. The pvp is more of a joke that it has ever been with developers taking turn rubberbanding classes back and forth between obsoletion and godhood.
The game used to be fun, but now it's just....I don't know. I'm burnt out on the game, but in the back of my mind, I know I would resub in a heartbeat if they introduced a server that only went up to the original Naxx in terms of progression, no expansions, space goats, or Horde-flooding blood elves.
Agree or disagree, the above is just my person viewpoint/opinion.
Nobodies jealous. Most of us are older than you and come from a very different backround. Your speaking to veterans that have played WoW since vanilla. Your new to this so it's understandable that you would like WoW so much. But the majority of us are looking for innovation and originality in a game now. We're tired of the same crap. Wow is old news and posting a thread like this is going to spark up alot of controversey because threads like these are just as old as WoW.
My point is most of us realize that WoW was a good game but the key word is was, it's had it's time.
P.S. I would hardly say any game is "beneath WoW". Just because WoW has the most subs doesn't make it the best game. If that's all you pay attention too then your not a good gamer imo.
Most people go through life pretending to be a boss. I go through life pretending I'm not.
I think your "Most of us" is really a "few of us".
It most certainly is NOT. Try playing ANY korean made MMORPG. Those define Skinners box mmos.
If you'd try playing the game for more than "5 minutes" you would have noticed that content comes out every few months or so. This is usually in the form of a new feature and/or new dungeon(s). WoW pumps out content and the game has improved greatly since launch because they take what other games call "revolutionary" (Ahem, Warhammer online's levelling through pvp and queueing from everywhere) and implement it in their game, improving it and allowing it to grow.
I don't really know why you have to attack my age, but if a game's innovation and originality fade because too much time has past does this make it a bad game and worthy of having a lower rating than, say, LoTRO (which is a clone if I ever saw one and has much less content).
And to your comment on who I'm speaking to I'm not targetting WoW "veterans", I'm targetting people who attack the game but have never really given it a try. Just because you want some innovation doesn't make this game bad. Just look for a new game and rate that high. Why bother flaming this one?
I agree nice redirect on your part! If you notice I was trying to correct somebody that was saying something that is wrong. The facts are that Blizzard has a press release saying 12 million not 14 million that was what I was trying to point out. Why do facts really matter 12 million or 14 million it is all the same right? Did you know that Dragon Age 2 is the fastest selling RPG of all time; it has sold 5 million copies in a month. Ah yeah you are right facts do not matter at all!
But great job in redirecting that so you can tell us all about Blizzard’s subscriber numbers in great detail, with your unbiased opinion added in. Plus you did a wonderful job defending the game from points I didn’t even make! I applaud you, I am sure another Blizzard angel got his wings today!
Who cares about the number. His point was not the number 14 million...his point was the hugh difference in subscribers between WoW and the next game. Instead of addressing him about how WoW has millions (with his number give or take 2 million) it is still 10 million more people playing than the next game. You did not want to address that issue you instead wanted to attack his number and not the issue. That is like attacting someone's spelling cause you can not address the issue. In other words redirect people from the issue of the hugh ammount more playing WoW and instead talk about how his number is wrong. Who cares. 11 or 14 million that is still a small country more than the next game of people playing.