Simple answer for you. Oh and i have played Wow since vanilla beta.
Catclysm Sucks!
1) Phasing
2) No world PVP
3) healing/tank nerfs
4) Guild leveling destroyed guilds
5) Graphics to childish/cartoony
6) talent tree restrictions no more hybrids.
7) rehashing of content when the company makes 140 million a month.
8) LFD destroyed server communitys
9) locked out of Pugs when a certain level is reached.
10) faction boss raids eliminated
11) old expansion zones dead
12) I have around 35 more!
I wont bore you with the rest. Wow is dying due to cataclysm. What the simple minds wanted they got. now 4 year olds can play it so easy. good luck OP we will see you back here when you hit the wall with Wow like many have.
Hopefully when that happens the OP won't be one of those bitter anti-wow preachers. Hopefully he'll just simply put the game down and just discuss to other people what he liked and didn't like about the game..and not call the game "absolute crap", or worse, call those who still enjoy it as "sheep".
I will sue you! I'll sue you for uhm... emotional.... damages.
.... more seriously, I think more people are familiar with WoW than Song of Fire and Ice...
... but yeah, if you're talking STORY, then more people are familiar with Song of Fire and Ice's story, because I think most WoW players only have a hazy idea of what the story in WoW actually is. At least, that's been my experience.
The whole thing about buying a book is that theoretically that means you will become familiar with the story, because that's all there IS to a book.
You can buy WoW and play it for years, and have only a vague passing familiarity with the story.
Yep, that was exactly what I was talking about, knowing of the game WoW is not the same as knowing its story
As for the emotional damage, I require proof. I want to see the scars, so that means minimally 5 times a visit to the shrink for you and written, detailed testimony of him about the traumatic experience!
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I dont care how many mmos existed before wow. None has ever had there success. None. I realize mmos existed before wow. Has blizzard failed ud have less people out there making mmo's.
U wanna blame blizzard for all gameing ills. Well guess what the only thing blizzard can be blamed for is wow. Yet peope continue to blame them for sucky half made buggy mmo's that there company never touched.
U dont like wow fine i dont care. its better not to have you in wow. I love ow i have that right and being a wow fan doesnt make me brian dead.
Yet those are the things people say. Wow players are all brain dead idiots who follow the masses. I have never follwed the masses. Unfortunatly 12 or 14 mil blizzards last figures had it over 13 by the way and i havent seen figures anywhere since .
my point is valid without blizzards success with wow companies like bioware wouldnt be throiwng 150 mil or more at games today.
Its not blizzards fault that companies like nc soft and mythic and trion choose to follow the wow path to making an mmo. dont like it fine blame t hem.
but no all gameing ills according to most is blizzards fault please i knwo ill never win this argument but i dont have to win it. I just figure someone out there has to at least have the sense to realize that lack of innovation isnt the fault of the company not making the games u all hate for not being innovative anymore.
Unfortunatly 12 or 14 mil blizzards last figures had it over 13 by the way and i havent seen figures anywhere since .
Where are you getting these figures from? It has hit over 13 million really, I want to see that press release. Since the last official press release from Blizzard said it was at 12 million, not 14 million and not over 13 million. It was 12 Million! Now here is a link to Blizzard’s press releases, I want you to show me where it says 13 million! Because I do not see it, Oct 7, 2010 they announced 12 million then all the way to their last press release on Feb 7, 2011 no subscription announcement.
What are you now making conspiracy theories that Blizzard is hiding their true subscriber numbers; that the world would implode if they told us they were at 13 million? I can see it now......
News update at 9, Blizzard just announced they have achieved 13 million subscribers and all hell just broke lose. People are rioting all over the globe, human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!
Or are we just using any number we want to know, without any facts to back it up?
I dont care how many mmos existed before wow. None has ever had there success. None. I realize mmos existed before wow. Has blizzard failed ud have less people out there making mmo's.
U wanna blame blizzard for all gameing ills. Well guess what the only thing blizzard can be blamed for is wow. Yet peope continue to blame them for sucky half made buggy mmo's that there company never touched.
U dont like wow fine i dont care. its better not to have you in wow. I love ow i have that right and being a wow fan doesnt make me brian dead.
Yet those are the things people say. Wow players are all brain dead idiots who follow the masses. I have never follwed the masses. Unfortunatly 12 or 14 mil blizzards last figures had it over 13 by the way and i havent seen figures anywhere since .
my point is valid without blizzards success with wow companies like bioware wouldnt be throiwng 150 mil or more at games today.
Its not blizzards fault that companies like nc soft and mythic and trion choose to follow the wow path to making an mmo. dont like it fine blame t hem.
but no all gameing ills according to most is blizzards fault please i knwo ill never win this argument but i dont have to win it. I just figure someone out there has to at least have the sense to realize that lack of innovation isnt the fault of the company not making the games u all hate for not being innovative anymore.
A) Learning how to play video games before learning how to properly use your own language does not make for an effective means of proving that "U are not brian dead."
Blizzard didn't do anything novel when they thought up WoW. Taking other peoples' work and playing the copy/paste game doesn't qualify as innovation. {mod edit}
Told you this would spark up alot of controversey lol
It's a battle nobody can win, stick to your opinion but when it comes to WoW, it's better if you just spend your time enjoying the game rather then telling other people why they should enjoy it to =P
Been there done that, omg GW2 just come out already!
Most people go through life pretending to be a boss. I go through life pretending I'm not.
I've played WoW for years and loved it. Game review websites, critics, and players have found the game extremely enjoyable, and the evidence is the ammount of subscribers Blizzard has. The game is fun, packed with content, hilarious at times, full of lore, and very deep.
Years ago, before I could play the game because my parents did not let me pay for a subscription fee, I harboured anti-WoW sentiments even though I knew little of the game. I thought the game was for "nerds" or people living in their parent's basement and my classmates frequently joked about it (This was during elementary school, so don't give me grief). I didn't understand what the game was all about, didn't know how good it was, and always thought that games like Runescape were king in the MMORPG district.
I've noticed that on this website WoW has a remarkably low rating compared to how good it actually is. I feel that there's a lot of distaste towards WoW because people believe their MMORPGs are better, have never given WoW a try, etc. I'm getting tired of people dissing WoW and complaining about things like grinding for reputation (which everyone seems to call out despite the fact that WoW's grind is so much less time consuming than most MMORPGs out there). I suspect that many players are jealous that they cannot play WoW (as I was) or tired of their favourite games being beneath WoW. This jealousy has resulted in WoW scoring at 7.73 on this site, which is lower than most games that aren't out yet, and about the same as much worse games like Maplestory (Essentially one big grind with little or no purpose).
What are your thoughts on this?
Well, I actually was part of WoW closed beta, and I loved it! I played it for quite some time after it went live. It wasn't the game that ruined it for me to be honest. It was the absolutely infantile chatter in the chat channels and the player base that precipitated my leaving WoW.
I tried shutting off all of the channels that I didn't need or want to listen to, however it seems that those same idiots would invariably end up in the guild chat channel or send stupid private whispers/tells to my characters.
Years later I even went so far as to roll an evil character just to see if it was any better with that faction. Sadly it was not and I cancelled my subscription yet again.
I could have went back to EQ I which is where i got my start in MMO's but I didn't, I went back to EQII as most of my friends ended up there.
However, we are now running amok in Telera and loving every minute of it. I'll probably bounce back and forth between the two.
I'm not a WoW hater, I just can see shelling out money for a game that isn't relaxing for me due to the player base.
i was playing wow when i posted here. U know its easy to do both when u are doing aarcheology. I had a site in winterspring and my next site was in the southern barrens so i was busy flying.
By the way my problem isnt always my langauge i admit i cant spell. my grammer sucks. So what doesnt make me brain dead i used to avg a 70 in english 20 yrs ago when i was in school and get 90s in history, math and science.
So it doesnt make me stupid that i dont spell or use grammer properly. i Havent been in a school in over 20 yrs. Im not some 17 yr old who grew up on computers. I taught myself to type and while i do ok i am not an expert typist. I make alot of typos.
Yea i know if you make a typo miss a period while typing u are an idiot no one makes typos in todays world gees.
i was playing wow when i posted here. U know its easy to do both when u are doing aarcheology. I had a site in winterspring and my next site was in the southern barrens so i was busy flying.
By the way my problem isnt always my langauge i admit i cant spell. my grammer sucks. So what doesnt make me brain dead i used to avg a 70 in english 20 yrs ago when i was in school and get 90s in history, math and science.
So it doesnt make me stupid that i dont spell or use grammer properly. i Havent been in a school in over 20 yrs. Im not some 17 yr old who grew up on computers. I taught myself to type and while i do ok i am not an expert typist. I make alot of typos.
Yea i know if you make a typo miss a period while typing u are an idiot no one makes typos in todays world gees.
Pretty easy to not make typos when most if not all browsers have spelling and grammar checking built in. Then again, MMORPG.com has a terrible "post" system. And maybe if you capatalized your "I"'s and wrote you instead of "U" then people would take you seriously.
Back on topic. People dont like wow for the reasons people said. Its simply a pathetic game now. After playing WoW in Vanilla, BC, and Wrath, it has been pretty easy to see how this game is degrading. I quit when cata came out because I'm tired of doing the same thing over and over again. I want more. Anyone following Cataclysm news can see that all the good developers of old are long gone due to all the "rehash" instances the current devs are putting out. Re using old instances for the sake of calling it "new content" is simply being lazy. All the current content in WoW is the same, there is nothing different.
On top of that, there is no real social aspect to the game. There is nothing to do aside from your dailys, raids, and dungeons. Crafting is pointless, there isn't any player housing, and you dont even need to speak with the people you group with due to the dungeon finder system. WoW has degraded into a lobby game that people pay too much for.
Its not so much the game as it is the community it brought into the MMO world.
Too many rude people, too many stupid people, too many people who whine about a game being to difficult.
It also paved the way for many horrible mmos attempting to emulate it in hopes of gaining as many subscribers as WoW had at one point.
I don't HATE WoW, I just hate what it has done to the MMO world via watered down content, and bringing in massive amounts of idiotic little kids (who now have grown up to be idiotic young adults and then will mature into idiotic young men and so forth)
I am entitled to my opinions, misspellings, and grammatical errors.
Like i care about spell check. Im not doing this for work a grade or anything other then to defend a game i continue to enjoy to this day.
I never said u had to like wow i just said wow isnt responsible for all the ills people seem to think the gaming community have and blames blizzard for.
I find it ammusing that instead of refuting my pts my intellegence and spelling get attacked.
If this were a real debat id win based on fact u never actually refuted my pt but just made personal attacks at me.
I also only said playng wow didnt make u brain dead. These are the only pts ive made other then wows 13.5 mil playerbase.
Oh i read that in wow magazine in october. Shortly after lk hit china. What the subs are now no idea. In october they had reached a high of 13.5 mil.
So argue wow isnt as good as it was. I find cata alot better then lk where dungeons were so easy i could sleep and heal at same time. I also have stated not everything with cata is perfect but that i still have alot of fun leveling alts.
Instead of using actualy reasoning all i get is attacks of my intellegence. Attacks on me personally.
so i guess when it comes to Community u can rank mmorpg forums up there with wow. Cause if u wanna talk rude and ignorant i havent met worse then i have here. Even wow looks good after reading a forum posts on here.
I tend to agree. I find it hard to describe other than it feels like a management style suited for excessively hyped console games.
I've also come to the conclusion that they really don't give a rat's back-side that they've alienated ME as a player. I'm too old for the target demographics.
I miss playing WoW, but not the new one.
Ken Fisher - Semi retired old fart Network Administrator, now working in Network Security. I don't Forum PVP. If you feel I've attacked you, it was probably by accident. When I don't understand, I ask. Such is not intended as criticism.
These are the only pts ive made other then wows 13.5 mil playerbase.
Oh i read that in wow magazine in october. Shortly after lk hit china. What the subs are now no idea. In october they had reached a high of 13.5 mil.
Here I will just quote myself because I really do not want to type it out again.
Originally posted by AKASlaphappy
Originally posted by kalinis
Unfortunatly 12 or 14 mil blizzards last figures had it over 13 by the way and i havent seen figures anywhere since .
Where are you getting these figures from? It has hit over 13 million really, I want to see that press release. Since the last official press release from Blizzard said it was at 12 million, not 14 million and not over 13 million. It was 12 Million! Now here is a link to Blizzard’s press releases, I want you to show me where it says 13 million! Because I do not see it, Oct 7, 2010 they announced 12 million then all the way to their last press release on Feb 7, 2011 no subscription announcement.
What are you now making conspiracy theories that Blizzard is hiding their true subscriber numbers; that the world would implode if they told us they were at 13 million? I can see it now......
News update at 9, Blizzard just announced they have achieved 13 million subscribers and all hell just broke lose. People are rioting all over the globe, human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!
Or are we just using any number we want to know, without any facts to back it up?
So why hasn't Blizzard did a press release if they have the 13.5 million subscriptions like you claim they have stated?
Like i care about spell check. Im not doing this for work a grade or anything other then to defend a game i continue to enjoy to this day.
I never said u had to like wow i just said wow isnt responsible for all the ills people seem to think the gaming community have and blames blizzard for.
I find it ammusing that instead of refuting my pts my intellegence and spelling get attacked.
If this were a real debat id win based on fact u never actually refuted my pt but just made personal attacks at me.
I also only said playng wow didnt make u brain dead. These are the only pts ive made other then wows 13.5 mil playerbase.
Oh i read that in wow magazine in october. Shortly after lk hit china. What the subs are now no idea. In october they had reached a high of 13.5 mil.
So argue wow isnt as good as it was. I find cata alot better then lk where dungeons were so easy i could sleep and heal at same time. I also have stated not everything with cata is perfect but that i still have alot of fun leveling alts.
Instead of using actualy reasoning all i get is attacks of my intellegence. Attacks on me personally.
so i guess when it comes to Community u can rank mmorpg forums up there with wow. Cause if u wanna talk rude and ignorant i havent met worse then i have here. Even wow looks good after reading a forum posts on here.
"I win because I believe in my own subjective claims even though nobody else does!" Keep on pissing in the wind, big guy. Everything you've shown thus far has only reinforced the stereotypes that ex- and non-wow players have about you people.
Is it me, or is this guys' only argument for the game's supposed unparalleled superiority over everything else on the market solely based on the sub numbers? That seems to be the only relatively fact-based statement that I've seen.
I played WoW from just before TBC until just before Cata. I left a few times, but went back out of boredom and to play with friends again. I've now left WoW for good. The reason? Repeating the same mistakes and selling expansions as a "fix". Constantly doing the exact opposite of what they say they plan to do/are doing. Homogenization to levels that make you ask yourself why you play a particular spec. Making multiple nerfs to a class that result from one valid complaint.
I think a classic example of this was the Feral spec. In Wrath, it was a mostly unwanted arena spec. With very mediocre damage and no interrupt, a smart healer could put their back to the wall and heal through the damage with no problem while also still healing their team/partner. Ramp up time was also a mess with Savage Roar being 30% of everything. No buff should ever be that big of a part by itself and require refreshing via combo points. Enter Cata. Savage Roar changed to only affect white damage. Skullbash for an interrupt. Complete revamp of attack power scaling/removal of FAP. Bleed damage increased. Result? "An unpeelable monster with damage you couldn't remove!" While this was not 100% true, Feral needed some changes compared to the gear at the time. What resulted was a major turn off from the game for me. If you look at the patch that followed, they addressed the same complaint from multiple angles all at once and in one patch. This is the point. They "fixed" the problem in multiple directions all at once. The result? Horrid mobility and requirement of mobility/uptime to do good damage again. Quite the contradiction. There was even a blog from GC:
"Because interrupts are good, classes without them feel uncompetitive, which has led to us giving interrupts to paladins and druids, which in turn has led to them being even more prevalent. Because casters tend to fire off lots of instant spells while jumping around, melee can be really easy to kite. Because melee can be easy to kite, melee classes without strong mobility can suffer, and we have to consider giving high mobility to all melee, which increases the amount of uptime melee have on casters, which means we have to give casters even more powerful escape mechanisms to survive... and the arms race continues."
They see the problem. They know how much of a mess the changes were. But, instead of reverting some of the changes or lessening some of them, they leave them for a long period of time. Then they throw a couple of "buffs" toward the class that do not nearly make up for what was removed or compared to the more practical changes suggested by players on the PTR before the nerf patch went live.
Now, before you say "omg not another Feral ShapeShift QQ thread", look at some of the other class changes of late. Look at the current changes on the PTR. More classes are receiving this treatment. Losing a lot of what made that class/spec what it is to players. Uniqueness. Core class/spec mechanics. Classes/specs that can no longer PvP by themselves at all. Is "always run with a healer, who is also the dispeller, 24/7" really fun?
If players were only being brought for a powerful single buff, maybe that buff was too strong or too required. Why not look at it instead of just giving it to other classes that were already more powerful? Why design encounters that desire/require that buff?
If players are doing too much damage in PvP, why design raids to require that much damage? Maybe they are looking at the problem from the wrong end.
Why is homogenization the answer in an MMORPG? Why pick a class or spec if they remove the reason you chose it? Why do people put so much into the character creation screen if they don't care about uniqueness/appearance? Why have different specs/classes if they don't bring something unique? I thought that was part of what put the RPG in MMORPG.
I never said wow was superior to other games. In fact from all ive read eve online is a great sandbox i personally dont like sandbox games so i dont play it.
I just said i like wow cause i have fun thats been my only realy statement.
I said my playing wow doesnt make me braindead
I was just saying where i read the sub numbers i also read them on worldofwarcraft.com months ago shortly after lk hit china.
Is wow the best game thats subjective so far for me yes. ive played lotro, Ive played ddo. ive played warhammer, ive played perfect world and forskaent world, Ive played champions online and was in dc universe beta they just wernt for me.
Thats not to say they arent good games i just didnt like them. So i dont play them I dont put them down all the time or blame them for all the ills of the gaming world.
I believe wow is the best game on market adn the subs support that. I not saying subs make it the best game on market. Im just saying not everyone plays wow because they are brain dead or a follower.
I never said wow was superior to other games. In fact from all ive read eve online is a great sandbox i personally dont like sandbox games so i dont play it.
I just said i like wow cause i have fun thats been my only realy statement.
I said my playing wow doesnt make me braindead
I was just saying where i read the sub numbers i also read them on worldofwarcraft.com months ago shortly after lk hit china.
Is wow the best game thats subjective so far for me yes. ive played lotro, Ive played ddo. ive played warhammer, ive played perfect world and forskaent world, Ive played champions online and was in dc universe beta they just wernt for me.
Thats not to say they arent good games i just didnt like them. So i dont play them I dont put them down all the time or blame them for all the ills of the gaming world.
I believe wow is the best game on market adn the subs support that. I not saying subs make it the best game on market. Im just saying not everyone plays wow because they are brain dead or a follower.
I have stated i dont care about grammer.
Contradiction. Simplified translation: "X is true, and one of the reasons is because Y is true. The truth of Y does not contribute to the truth of X, but X is still true." X = argument that wow is the best, Y = argument that sub numbers are the highest. Both of those sentences can't be valid, you have to pick one.
Don't bother yourself with the grammar elitists. I had no trouble whatsoever understanding what you're trying to say, so I don't know what they're so worked up on. =/
I've played WoW for years and loved it. Game review websites, critics, and players have found the game extremely enjoyable, and the evidence is the ammount of subscribers Blizzard has. The game is fun, packed with content, hilarious at times, full of lore, and very deep.
Years ago, before I could play the game because my parents did not let me pay for a subscription fee, I harboured anti-WoW sentiments even though I knew little of the game. I thought the game was for "nerds" or people living in their parent's basement and my classmates frequently joked about it (This was during elementary school, so don't give me grief). I didn't understand what the game was all about, didn't know how good it was, and always thought that games like Runescape were king in the MMORPG district.
I've noticed that on this website WoW has a remarkably low rating compared to how good it actually is. I feel that there's a lot of distaste towards WoW because people believe their MMORPGs are better, have never given WoW a try, etc. I'm getting tired of people dissing WoW and complaining about things like grinding for reputation (which everyone seems to call out despite the fact that WoW's grind is so much less time consuming than most MMORPGs out there). I suspect that many players are jealous that they cannot play WoW (as I was) or tired of their favourite games being beneath WoW. This jealousy has resulted in WoW scoring at 7.73 on this site, which is lower than most games that aren't out yet, and about the same as much worse games like Maplestory (Essentially one big grind with little or no purpose).
What are your thoughts on this?
wow has crap graphics engine and thats all.
Soon the mmo armagedon that comes out will make it vanish from the list.
10 big mmo titles coming out till 2013.How much life do u think wow has.hehehe
The issue is the community and the problem is compounded by the content within the game. Those that prefer Vanilla WoW over Cataclysm can point the finger at the rapid/steady growth of the sub-base AND the transition of the type of gamer involved. The game has transitioned into something more appealing to a different generation of gamer, from what I can tell.
I personally do see some positive changes to the game. But, at the same time, i see a lot of things that have changed that I don't like... and the negative outweigh the positive IN MY OPINION.
there is a mob mentality to wow on this forum at least. Everyone hates wow. They all blast it and very few defend it.
It's not worth defending....
The majority of people and im not saying all but majority claim wow ruined mmos. Without wow mmos might not exist at all.
MMOs would still exist , and probably be better off today for it , maybe if things were different developers would be pushing the envelope creatively and pusing technology to its limits to bring new exciting worlds to us with real vision, Without WOW , I think we could do without 99% of the game's population in any other MMO and wouldn't think twice.
If companies werent trying to be the next blizzard half the mmo;s wouldnt get the budgets they get today.
And they keep failing at it , $$Cash Grab$$ couple that most of the last 6 yrs of MMO budgets were used on hype and marketing turds that never lived up to anyone's expectations.
Its cool to blast wow so they join in . Or else they blast wow because they cant stand wow let gasp more then 5 pct of the population actually see there raids.
There's a lot more to MMO's than just Raids and shinies.....
its not uncommon to jump on a bandwagon watch wrestling. The crowd boos a guy so u do. You may be booing cause u generally dont like the guy or u may boo because everyone else. is.
Mainly cause people keep throwing tired fanfare for WOW for how great it is when it really isn't when 90% of you have never played another MMO besides WOW , we get tired of hearing it.
one day randy orton was the bad guy the next half the crowd cheered him on way to ring then next thign u know the whole crowd is cheering by time he is done speaking.
Same thing here they see that the majority of mmorpg guys blast wow so they join in.
Once again were tired of WOW fanboi mentality there were MMOs before WOW and there are MMOs after WOW and will be once WOW is dead and gone remember its just a game and a poor one at that.
truth is wow is a fun game whose ui is easy to catch on to and use. thats why wow is popular.
If you like doing the same content over and over for shinies and gear be my guest, not everyone likes treadmills, and there are people out there that don't want to be handed everything, in WOW everyone is a winner cause noone likes not getting their treat and a pat on the head for doing the most pedistration of tasks. Millions of subs indeed but why play anything else when its all handed to you?
Oh and if u have ever seen my posts i dont try to win points. I dont really care if u think im right or agree with me . Im just pointing out the reason i play wow is i find it fun . Dont agree who cares.
If you think its so fun why are you here trying to argue your points why arent you playing WOW right now?
i defend tor because i dont like people using lies to try to denegrate a game i think looks like its gonna be a blast to play and i defend wow because i enjoy p laying it.
Have a cookie and a pat on the head...
my gf tried to get me to play other mmos with her and i couldnt stand them wow i like and enjoy its fun.
WoW graphics are just fine. People want to bash it, I say lalalalalalaala. WoW's graphics are creative, funny and sometimes hilarious at time. Movement/combat in WoW is extremely responsive. All other MMOs miserably fail at this.
On topic, people don't like WoW on these forums. If you bash WoW on these boards, nothing will happen. If you bash another MMO in the same manner, your post will get moderated. I have seen this quite a few times ^_^
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Hopefully when that happens the OP won't be one of those bitter anti-wow preachers. Hopefully he'll just simply put the game down and just discuss to other people what he liked and didn't like about the game..and not call the game "absolute crap", or worse, call those who still enjoy it as "sheep".
Yep, that was exactly what I was talking about, knowing of the game WoW is not the same as knowing its story
As for the emotional damage, I require proof. I want to see the scars, so that means minimally 5 times a visit to the shrink for you and written, detailed testimony of him about the traumatic experience!
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I dont care how many mmos existed before wow. None has ever had there success. None. I realize mmos existed before wow. Has blizzard failed ud have less people out there making mmo's.
U wanna blame blizzard for all gameing ills. Well guess what the only thing blizzard can be blamed for is wow. Yet peope continue to blame them for sucky half made buggy mmo's that there company never touched.
U dont like wow fine i dont care. its better not to have you in wow. I love ow i have that right and being a wow fan doesnt make me brian dead.
Yet those are the things people say. Wow players are all brain dead idiots who follow the masses. I have never follwed the masses. Unfortunatly 12 or 14 mil blizzards last figures had it over 13 by the way and i havent seen figures anywhere since .
my point is valid without blizzards success with wow companies like bioware wouldnt be throiwng 150 mil or more at games today.
Its not blizzards fault that companies like nc soft and mythic and trion choose to follow the wow path to making an mmo. dont like it fine blame t hem.
but no all gameing ills according to most is blizzards fault please i knwo ill never win this argument but i dont have to win it. I just figure someone out there has to at least have the sense to realize that lack of innovation isnt the fault of the company not making the games u all hate for not being innovative anymore.
Where are you getting these figures from? It has hit over 13 million really, I want to see that press release. Since the last official press release from Blizzard said it was at 12 million, not 14 million and not over 13 million. It was 12 Million! Now here is a link to Blizzard’s press releases, I want you to show me where it says 13 million! Because I do not see it, Oct 7, 2010 they announced 12 million then all the way to their last press release on Feb 7, 2011 no subscription announcement.
What are you now making conspiracy theories that Blizzard is hiding their true subscriber numbers; that the world would implode if they told us they were at 13 million? I can see it now......
News update at 9, Blizzard just announced they have achieved 13 million subscribers and all hell just broke lose. People are rioting all over the globe, human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!
Or are we just using any number we want to know, without any facts to back it up?
A) Learning how to play video games before learning how to properly use your own language does not make for an effective means of proving that "U are not brian dead."
If you love WoW so much, why aren't you playing it instead of posting here? i know when i have a game that im really enjoying im not posting here.
I'm sorry I don't want to throw night elf mohawk grenades or do quest for an Indiana Jones parody. Way to immerse me.
I derive my strength from passion. Do you feel that? That is what seperates you and I, Jedi!
Told you this would spark up alot of controversey lol
It's a battle nobody can win, stick to your opinion but when it comes to WoW, it's better if you just spend your time enjoying the game rather then telling other people why they should enjoy it to =P
Been there done that, omg GW2 just come out already!
Most people go through life pretending to be a boss. I go through life pretending I'm not.
Well, I actually was part of WoW closed beta, and I loved it! I played it for quite some time after it went live. It wasn't the game that ruined it for me to be honest. It was the absolutely infantile chatter in the chat channels and the player base that precipitated my leaving WoW.
I tried shutting off all of the channels that I didn't need or want to listen to, however it seems that those same idiots would invariably end up in the guild chat channel or send stupid private whispers/tells to my characters.
Years later I even went so far as to roll an evil character just to see if it was any better with that faction. Sadly it was not and I cancelled my subscription yet again.
I could have went back to EQ I which is where i got my start in MMO's but I didn't, I went back to EQII as most of my friends ended up there.
However, we are now running amok in Telera and loving every minute of it. I'll probably bounce back and forth between the two.
I'm not a WoW hater, I just can see shelling out money for a game that isn't relaxing for me due to the player base.
Ashreal D'Synn - Shadowlover & Death's handmaiden
i was playing wow when i posted here. U know its easy to do both when u are doing aarcheology. I had a site in winterspring and my next site was in the southern barrens so i was busy flying.
By the way my problem isnt always my langauge i admit i cant spell. my grammer sucks. So what doesnt make me brain dead i used to avg a 70 in english 20 yrs ago when i was in school and get 90s in history, math and science.
So it doesnt make me stupid that i dont spell or use grammer properly. i Havent been in a school in over 20 yrs. Im not some 17 yr old who grew up on computers. I taught myself to type and while i do ok i am not an expert typist. I make alot of typos.
Yea i know if you make a typo miss a period while typing u are an idiot no one makes typos in todays world gees.
Pretty easy to not make typos when most if not all browsers have spelling and grammar checking built in. Then again, MMORPG.com has a terrible "post" system. And maybe if you capatalized your "I"'s and wrote you instead of "U" then people would take you seriously.
Back on topic. People dont like wow for the reasons people said. Its simply a pathetic game now. After playing WoW in Vanilla, BC, and Wrath, it has been pretty easy to see how this game is degrading. I quit when cata came out because I'm tired of doing the same thing over and over again. I want more. Anyone following Cataclysm news can see that all the good developers of old are long gone due to all the "rehash" instances the current devs are putting out. Re using old instances for the sake of calling it "new content" is simply being lazy. All the current content in WoW is the same, there is nothing different.
On top of that, there is no real social aspect to the game. There is nothing to do aside from your dailys, raids, and dungeons. Crafting is pointless, there isn't any player housing, and you dont even need to speak with the people you group with due to the dungeon finder system. WoW has degraded into a lobby game that people pay too much for.
Personally, I blame Activision.
Its not so much the game as it is the community it brought into the MMO world.
Too many rude people, too many stupid people, too many people who whine about a game being to difficult.
It also paved the way for many horrible mmos attempting to emulate it in hopes of gaining as many subscribers as WoW had at one point.
I don't HATE WoW, I just hate what it has done to the MMO world via watered down content, and bringing in massive amounts of idiotic little kids (who now have grown up to be idiotic young adults and then will mature into idiotic young men and so forth)
I am entitled to my opinions, misspellings, and grammatical errors.
Like i care about spell check. Im not doing this for work a grade or anything other then to defend a game i continue to enjoy to this day.
I never said u had to like wow i just said wow isnt responsible for all the ills people seem to think the gaming community have and blames blizzard for.
I find it ammusing that instead of refuting my pts my intellegence and spelling get attacked.
If this were a real debat id win based on fact u never actually refuted my pt but just made personal attacks at me.
I also only said playng wow didnt make u brain dead. These are the only pts ive made other then wows 13.5 mil playerbase.
Oh i read that in wow magazine in october. Shortly after lk hit china. What the subs are now no idea. In october they had reached a high of 13.5 mil.
So argue wow isnt as good as it was. I find cata alot better then lk where dungeons were so easy i could sleep and heal at same time. I also have stated not everything with cata is perfect but that i still have alot of fun leveling alts.
Instead of using actualy reasoning all i get is attacks of my intellegence. Attacks on me personally.
so i guess when it comes to Community u can rank mmorpg forums up there with wow. Cause if u wanna talk rude and ignorant i havent met worse then i have here. Even wow looks good after reading a forum posts on here.
I tend to agree. I find it hard to describe other than it feels like a management style suited for excessively hyped console games.
I've also come to the conclusion that they really don't give a rat's back-side that they've alienated ME as a player. I'm too old for the target demographics.
I miss playing WoW, but not the new one.
Here I will just quote myself because I really do not want to type it out again.
So why hasn't Blizzard did a press release if they have the 13.5 million subscriptions like you claim they have stated?
"I win because I believe in my own subjective claims even though nobody else does!" Keep on pissing in the wind, big guy. Everything you've shown thus far has only reinforced the stereotypes that ex- and non-wow players have about you people.
Is it me, or is this guys' only argument for the game's supposed unparalleled superiority over everything else on the market solely based on the sub numbers? That seems to be the only relatively fact-based statement that I've seen.
I played WoW from just before TBC until just before Cata. I left a few times, but went back out of boredom and to play with friends again. I've now left WoW for good. The reason? Repeating the same mistakes and selling expansions as a "fix". Constantly doing the exact opposite of what they say they plan to do/are doing. Homogenization to levels that make you ask yourself why you play a particular spec. Making multiple nerfs to a class that result from one valid complaint.
I think a classic example of this was the Feral spec. In Wrath, it was a mostly unwanted arena spec. With very mediocre damage and no interrupt, a smart healer could put their back to the wall and heal through the damage with no problem while also still healing their team/partner. Ramp up time was also a mess with Savage Roar being 30% of everything. No buff should ever be that big of a part by itself and require refreshing via combo points. Enter Cata. Savage Roar changed to only affect white damage. Skullbash for an interrupt. Complete revamp of attack power scaling/removal of FAP. Bleed damage increased. Result? "An unpeelable monster with damage you couldn't remove!" While this was not 100% true, Feral needed some changes compared to the gear at the time. What resulted was a major turn off from the game for me. If you look at the patch that followed, they addressed the same complaint from multiple angles all at once and in one patch. This is the point. They "fixed" the problem in multiple directions all at once. The result? Horrid mobility and requirement of mobility/uptime to do good damage again. Quite the contradiction. There was even a blog from GC:
"Because interrupts are good, classes without them feel uncompetitive, which has led to us giving interrupts to paladins and druids, which in turn has led to them being even more prevalent. Because casters tend to fire off lots of instant spells while jumping around, melee can be really easy to kite. Because melee can be easy to kite, melee classes without strong mobility can suffer, and we have to consider giving high mobility to all melee, which increases the amount of uptime melee have on casters, which means we have to give casters even more powerful escape mechanisms to survive... and the arms race continues."
They see the problem. They know how much of a mess the changes were. But, instead of reverting some of the changes or lessening some of them, they leave them for a long period of time. Then they throw a couple of "buffs" toward the class that do not nearly make up for what was removed or compared to the more practical changes suggested by players on the PTR before the nerf patch went live.
Now, before you say "omg not another Feral ShapeShift QQ thread", look at some of the other class changes of late. Look at the current changes on the PTR. More classes are receiving this treatment. Losing a lot of what made that class/spec what it is to players. Uniqueness. Core class/spec mechanics. Classes/specs that can no longer PvP by themselves at all. Is "always run with a healer, who is also the dispeller, 24/7" really fun?
If players were only being brought for a powerful single buff, maybe that buff was too strong or too required. Why not look at it instead of just giving it to other classes that were already more powerful? Why design encounters that desire/require that buff?
If players are doing too much damage in PvP, why design raids to require that much damage? Maybe they are looking at the problem from the wrong end.
Why is homogenization the answer in an MMORPG? Why pick a class or spec if they remove the reason you chose it? Why do people put so much into the character creation screen if they don't care about uniqueness/appearance? Why have different specs/classes if they don't bring something unique? I thought that was part of what put the RPG in MMORPG.
Played wow for 7 1/2 years. I have every right to hate it. @_@
I never said wow was superior to other games. In fact from all ive read eve online is a great sandbox i personally dont like sandbox games so i dont play it.
I just said i like wow cause i have fun thats been my only realy statement.
I said my playing wow doesnt make me braindead
I was just saying where i read the sub numbers i also read them on worldofwarcraft.com months ago shortly after lk hit china.
Is wow the best game thats subjective so far for me yes. ive played lotro, Ive played ddo. ive played warhammer, ive played perfect world and forskaent world, Ive played champions online and was in dc universe beta they just wernt for me.
Thats not to say they arent good games i just didnt like them. So i dont play them I dont put them down all the time or blame them for all the ills of the gaming world.
I believe wow is the best game on market adn the subs support that. I not saying subs make it the best game on market. Im just saying not everyone plays wow because they are brain dead or a follower.
I have stated i dont care about grammer.
Contradiction. Simplified translation: "X is true, and one of the reasons is because Y is true. The truth of Y does not contribute to the truth of X, but X is still true." X = argument that wow is the best, Y = argument that sub numbers are the highest. Both of those sentences can't be valid, you have to pick one.
Don't bother yourself with the grammar elitists. I had no trouble whatsoever understanding what you're trying to say, so I don't know what they're so worked up on. =/
wow has crap graphics engine and thats all.
Soon the mmo armagedon that comes out will make it vanish from the list.
10 big mmo titles coming out till 2013.How much life do u think wow has.hehehe
The issue is the community and the problem is compounded by the content within the game. Those that prefer Vanilla WoW over Cataclysm can point the finger at the rapid/steady growth of the sub-base AND the transition of the type of gamer involved. The game has transitioned into something more appealing to a different generation of gamer, from what I can tell.
I personally do see some positive changes to the game. But, at the same time, i see a lot of things that have changed that I don't like... and the negative outweigh the positive IN MY OPINION.
WoW graphics are just fine. People want to bash it, I say lalalalalalaala. WoW's graphics are creative, funny and sometimes hilarious at time. Movement/combat in WoW is extremely responsive. All other MMOs miserably fail at this.
On topic, people don't like WoW on these forums. If you bash WoW on these boards, nothing will happen. If you bash another MMO in the same manner, your post will get moderated. I have seen this quite a few times ^_^
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