In short, a bad player with an all-level-5s toon is still a bad player and will get relentlessly owned in any situation more challenging than a high-sec mission.
If some people on this forum had put half the effort into learning to PvP, making connections and trying stuff out until they get it to work that they put in to whining about "catching up", they'd be PvP gods by now.
In short, a bad player with an all-level-5s toon is still a bad player and will get relentlessly owned in any situation more challenging than a high-sec mission.
If some people on this forum had put half the effort into learning to PvP, making connections and trying stuff out until they get it to work that they put in to whining about "catching up", they'd be PvP gods by now.
Amen, brother.
What would be great is to get some of these crybabies on the test server and give them a maxed toon and unlimited isk and see how they fare. I have a good idea.
Playing: BF4/BF:Hardline, Subnautica 7 days to die Hiatus: EvE Waiting on: World of Darkness(sigh) Interested in: better games in general
In short, a bad player with an all-level-5s toon is still a bad player and will get relentlessly owned in any situation more challenging than a high-sec mission.
If some people on this forum had put half the effort into learning to PvP, making connections and trying stuff out until they get it to work that they put in to whining about "catching up", they'd be PvP gods by now.
Again, Malcanis, with this assumption that those who disagree with you must know nothing about the game.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been-Wayne Gretzky
In short, a bad player with an all-level-5s toon is still a bad player and will get relentlessly owned in any situation more challenging than a high-sec mission.
If some people on this forum had put half the effort into learning to PvP, making connections and trying stuff out until they get it to work that they put in to whining about "catching up", they'd be PvP gods by now.
Again, Malcanis, with this assumption that those who disagree with you must know nothing about the game.
I'm not really seeing where this is a bad assumption to be honest. Just sayin
In short, a bad player with an all-level-5s toon is still a bad player and will get relentlessly owned in any situation more challenging than a high-sec mission.
If some people on this forum had put half the effort into learning to PvP, making connections and trying stuff out until they get it to work that they put in to whining about "catching up", they'd be PvP gods by now.
Again, Malcanis, with this assumption that those who disagree with you must know nothing about the game.
However, since Malcanis statement is true the people who are arguing against it either no nothing about the game, are vastly misinformed, or the most likely saw what they wanted to see when they realized that they might have to work or think to do well.
In short, a bad player with an all-level-5s toon is still a bad player and will get relentlessly owned in any situation more challenging than a high-sec mission.
If some people on this forum had put half the effort into learning to PvP, making connections and trying stuff out until they get it to work that they put in to whining about "catching up", they'd be PvP gods by now.
Again, Malcanis, with this assumption that those who disagree with you must know nothing about the game.
Would you care to point out an example that disproves my hypothesis?
In short, a bad player with an all-level-5s toon is still a bad player and will get relentlessly owned in any situation more challenging than a high-sec mission.
If some people on this forum had put half the effort into learning to PvP, making connections and trying stuff out until they get it to work that they put in to whining about "catching up", they'd be PvP gods by now.
Amen, brother.
What would be great is to get some of these crybabies on the test server and give them a maxed toon and unlimited isk and see how they fare. I have a good idea.
I've always thought it would be nice if CCP gave us a 4th "all to V" alt on SiSi. It would give people a chance to try ships before they commit to training for them, not to mention the utility you mention.
Don't view your ship as if it were the great new set of armor and weapon you can now equip that makes your character X amount better.
Your ship is expendible. It will get destroyed. You have to get use to seeing your ships as tools with a half-life. Their purpose is to allow you to do the activity that you choose to do. They will need to be replaced. The trick it to try to maximize your ROI. Your investment is your ships and the modules you fit them with. Your return is what you make it back to your hanger with. And remember, it is not yours until it is safely in a hanger.
You (your character) are not your ship. Your ship is just a tool. You are what you choose to train for and that determines now many tools you can use.
Originally posted by Malcanis Originally posted by batolemaeus After the last "All lvl5" event, it was clear that there would never be another one. You can guess why.
Remind me?
Sisi was completely unusable for actual bugtesting for the entire duration, pissing off most of the people who regularly do some productive bugreporting. QA and BH were not exactly happy about this. There will not be "all lvl5 again" in the foreseeable future for exactly that reason.
After the last "All lvl5" event, it was clear that there would never be another one.
You can guess why.
Remind me?
Sisi was completely unusable for actual bugtesting for the entire duration, pissing off most of the people who regularly do some productive bugreporting. QA and BH were not exactly happy about this. There will not be "all lvl5 again" in the foreseeable future for exactly that reason.
that is how i remember it as well. I remember there were several people in titans, before they were as common as they are now...doing naughty things. It was well loved by the forum replies, but wasn't very productive..hahahaha.
Playing: BF4/BF:Hardline, Subnautica 7 days to die Hiatus: EvE Waiting on: World of Darkness(sigh) Interested in: better games in general
In short, a bad player with an all-level-5s toon is still a bad player and will get relentlessly owned in any situation more challenging than a high-sec mission.
If some people on this forum had put half the effort into learning to PvP, making connections and trying stuff out until they get it to work that they put in to whining about "catching up", they'd be PvP gods by now.
Again, Malcanis, with this assumption that those who disagree with you must know nothing about the game.
Would you care to point out an example that disproves my hypothesis?
For one, you are only guessing, and second, you do not argue the matter but direct your attention to the poster (see argumentum ad hominem). It is wrong to assume that what someone says is false for the sole reason that the person is inexperienced etc. The more common version of this would be to simply dismiss the poster with "go back to WoW".
Do you have to see my Eve credentials before you can acknowledge my earlier post?
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been-Wayne Gretzky
As someone who hasn't played EVE, but is tired of the dumbed down, risk-averse, never fail spoon-feeding of other MMOs, I'm interested. Open-world PVP with real consequences, truly player-created economies, and no damned Elves--sounds good to me.
BUT...
I hear (when you haven't played EVE before, you *hear* things) that because of the mechanic EVE uses to train skills, I can never be the equal of someone who has played longer than I have, simply by virtue of said mechanic.
True? And if true, is that still a game-breaker for a new player? In any MMO, there will always be someone bigger than you until you hit max level, but if you can train forever in EVE, is there a point at which I simply can't compete?
Thanks for any thoughtful replies.
I would have to say, it does not matter if you can catch up to older players or not.
You'll notice that most people will tell you to join a good corp, if you want to see all Eve has to offer.
Most likely, you won't be competing with older players by yourself. That would be foolish. You'll get more out of your experience in a corp. A good corp will give you advice on what to train immediately. You'll have more fun with more people, if PVP is what you're after. More people=more resources=more information=more fun.
With a good corp, a little reading online about skills and PVP and a lot of patience; you will be competing in a relatively short amount of time. It won't take long at all.
It's not about fighting, it's about balance. It's not about enlightenment, it's about balance. It's not about balance.
In short, a bad player with an all-level-5s toon is still a bad player and will get relentlessly owned in any situation more challenging than a high-sec mission.
If some people on this forum had put half the effort into learning to PvP, making connections and trying stuff out until they get it to work that they put in to whining about "catching up", they'd be PvP gods by now.
Again, Malcanis, with this assumption that those who disagree with you must know nothing about the game.
Would you care to point out an example that disproves my hypothesis?
For one, you are only guessing, and second, you do not argue the matter but direct your attention to the poster (see argumentum ad hominem). It is wrong to assume that what someone says is false for the sole reason that the person is inexperienced etc. The more common version of this would be to simply dismiss the poster with "go back to WoW".
Do you have to see my Eve credentials before you can acknowledge my earlier post?
You seem to be assuming that I was talking about you, for some reason.
After the last "All lvl5" event, it was clear that there would never be another one.
You can guess why.
Remind me?
Sisi was completely unusable for actual bugtesting for the entire duration, pissing off most of the people who regularly do some productive bugreporting. QA and BH were not exactly happy about this. There will not be "all lvl5 again" in the foreseeable future for exactly that reason.
Well of course that would happen if it was a short-term, one-off event. But when anyone can access an all-V on SiSi at any time, then it's not that special any more. There would be an initial logjam of people trying it out, then the novelty would fade.
here , let's be honest. If you start now are you at a disadvantage than those with bazillions of skill points? yes.
sure you can pvp in groups early level with a cheap frigate. do u have the skills to pvp well in that frigate? no.
you read that you are in a frigate go kill a huge slow ship etc. no , doesnt work that way, huge ships have better defenses. k , medium ship, nope still, x player in medium ship has drones better than ur frig. You can join the game join a corp and do small end pvp, but it will take YEARS to do anything of meaning in eve.
yes, you can mine, farm missions , salvage said mission for isk. You will quit in 3 months.
you can work the market which, to be honest has a lot of money to be made but ask the people that search the web while they haul in game. game has an in game web browser for a reason.
oh, but its a sandbox i can do what i want. again , yes and no. you can't go in and create anything. you have the option to run missions, pvp, market, craft/mine. people say you can do what you want at anytime but it's not entirely true.
is eve a great game? yes it is, despite my negative points of view , the game is excellent but the biggest problem is making new player dillusional that they can join in and win.
people who have been playing 5 years+ will wreck you even if you are the einstein of piloting.
there's a reason vets say "just because you can fly it, don't mean you can fly it"
also , to add i would say 2 years would make you "worthwhile" in competative play.
I don't know what would be the proper word here is, but the dynamics of the game seems to be always changing.
I started in '06. I joined a 0.0 corp after a month in. All I could fly well was a Thorax. Blasters were great. Then I was in a Myrm. Projectiles were great and everyone was speed tanking. Then a nano nerf came, nuets, and more. People changed tactics each time.
Even in my Thorax, I was apart of the fighting. Although I think the Thorax is much better in low-sec.
The worst times I have ever had was when we had blobs or gate camping waiting for hours. I'd rather roam.
Keep in mind the people saying you need to buy an account or you will never catch up are the same people that expect epics when they hit max lvl on random MMO 01239 - The insta-gratification crowd.
As somoene that recently started from scratch without anyone giving me any isk or anything it's entirely possible to have a good time. Will you be able to "catch up" - You can in some places, others not so much. Can you fly basic battlecruisers (staple ship for most fleet roams) well enough to be effective in PvP? Yes. Will you be flying a titan any time soon? Nope.
Do vets have an advantage? Yes, anyone telling you otherwise is lying. However, is that really that big of a deal? I don't see it as a big issue. I've been playing since January and I'm in a GREAT 0.0 nullsec alliance. We do tons of fights, there is always tons of ops running between us and our allies. I've been effective since day 1 on my rifter tackling shit. These days I'm up to battlecruisers and battleships. As of today I've broken into t2 frigates and stealth bombers.
Keep in mind that while vets can fly better ships, they also have just as much to lose. This isn't really a game that you're going to go out and duel someone in.
I say try it out. Take the game one step at a time. There is a lot of fun to be had in frigates. You get into battlecruisers before you know it and that's when the game really starts to open up.
here , let's be honest. If you start now are you at a disadvantage than those with bazillions of skill points? yes.
sure you can pvp in groups early level with a cheap frigate. do u have the skills to pvp well in that frigate? no.
you read that you are in a frigate go kill a huge slow ship etc. no , doesnt work that way, huge ships have better defenses. k , medium ship, nope still, x player in medium ship has drones better than ur frig. You can join the game join a corp and do small end pvp, but it will take YEARS to do anything of meaning in eve.
yes, you can mine, farm missions , salvage said mission for isk. You will quit in 3 months.
you can work the market which, to be honest has a lot of money to be made but ask the people that search the web while they haul in game. game has an in game web browser for a reason.
oh, but its a sandbox i can do what i want. again , yes and no. you can't go in and create anything. you have the option to run missions, pvp, market, craft/mine. people say you can do what you want at anytime but it's not entirely true.
is eve a great game? yes it is, despite my negative points of view , the game is excellent but the biggest problem is making new player dillusional that they can join in and win.
people who have been playing 5 years+ will wreck you even if you are the einstein of piloting.
there's a reason vets say "just because you can fly it, don't mean you can fly it"
also , to add i would say 2 years would make you "worthwhile" in competative play.
Who wins EvE? I've been here since 2006, and I haven't won yet. Are you saying that vets are winning? Funnily enough, I would bet nickels to dollars, I have LOST more than you and anyone under 1 year in game, hands down. Winning is for FPS's and outdoor sports. Do you win WoW? Do you win at DF? I don't know, I played DF for about 14 months, and I was just starting to get competitive. I was on a Killmail within my first month in EvE, and once the bug bit, I was hooked.
Why do you believe that because I have level V skills, and years of experience that I am omnipotent? I make mistakes..I have to leave holes in my armor or shields. I don't always fit ECCM. I like blasters, but b/c they suck, I'm using something else. Why would someone believe that after they join, and are flying with experienced veterans, that they can't compete against other experienced veterans?
If you join EvE and try to solo it, or only play mining/mission running hi sec nonsense, you are ill prepared to cope with what the majority of the playerbase not only understands, but EMBRACES. PvP is the heart of the economy, the politics, the metagaming, the entire landscape is determined by FORCE. I can't understand why people don't understand that.
Saying you have to play for 2 years to be competitive is ludricous and and outright fallacy. I think you made that number up. I would like you to provide a EvEMon skillplan that details exactly what you need to train in 24 months that won't make you good, but only "competitive" with veteran players.
Until I start seeing EvEMon or some other skill based plan schedule...then these allegations will hereby be known as FALSE.
Playing: BF4/BF:Hardline, Subnautica 7 days to die Hiatus: EvE Waiting on: World of Darkness(sigh) Interested in: better games in general
is eve a great game? yes it is, despite my negative points of view , the game is excellent but the biggest problem is making new player dillusional that they can join in and win.
people who have been playing 5 years+ will wreck you even if you are the einstein of piloting.
there's a reason vets say "just because you can fly it, don't mean you can fly it"
also , to add i would say 2 years would make you "worthwhile" in competative play.
More like 6 months to be highly effective, and 2 years to be highly effective in multiple races/ships.
I see where you're coming from, but it's just not the case. I think it goes back to some people see the glass half empty and some don't.
If you don't, the game provides the mechanics to wreck all kinds of havoc very quickly, but there is no guide or set path to do so. The player has to see the opportunity and seize it, in his/her own unique way. Few game worlds provide this, and it's the reason so many EVE players play so long.
You can play it safe or raise holy crap. Your choice, the game will let you do it either way.
im telling the truth, i havent played ina while and unless things have changed , he will get fed teh same B.S that every other new player gets fed.
to answer your original topic question, yes you are behind people that have been playing for 5+ years. You will never catch up, it's unfortunate but there is no possible way you can ever catch up. Skills take time. But, you may exceed them in certain areas by your skill choices.
You can "buy" a character too.
EVE is a different style game and new players will join and hook up with a new pilot corp doing frigs against frigs, but if u truly want to be useful , sub and learn skills and log off for 2 years. You will never survive major fleet battles until you can V level about 30 skills.
This isn't completely true. Note though that you will not be able to contribute much until you at least 4-5 months after starting.
think far less.... as long as you go for supporting roles you can be a tackler with in a few days, EWAR support in a week and change. Sure you won't be swinging the big damage, but you can do plenty of stuff that can heavily contribute in a fleet.
im telling the truth, i havent played ina while and unless things have changed , he will get fed teh same B.S that every other new player gets fed.
to answer your original topic question, yes you are behind people that have been playing for 5+ years. You will never catch up, it's unfortunate but there is no possible way you can ever catch up. Skills take time. But, you may exceed them in certain areas by your skill choices.
You can "buy" a character too.
EVE is a different style game and new players will join and hook up with a new pilot corp doing frigs against frigs, but if u truly want to be useful , sub and learn skills and log off for 2 years. You will never survive major fleet battles until you can V level about 30 skills.
What ever are you talking about? I played for about 3 years, took 6 months off, and now I'm back. I don't feel that I'm behind anyone regardless if they've been skilling up for 7 straight years. Iv'e got so many ships trained up in so many areas that I can do almost anything.
You keep missing the point, you don't need to catch up, you never did which is the beauty of EVE.
Oh yes, at 6 months I was in a Raven fighting my way through the BOB war, helped take down dozens of POS's and my corp actually captured a station in the process. (which we traded for a MOM)
I survived just fine, and it certainly didn't take 2 years.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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In short, a bad player with an all-level-5s toon is still a bad player and will get relentlessly owned in any situation more challenging than a high-sec mission.
If some people on this forum had put half the effort into learning to PvP, making connections and trying stuff out until they get it to work that they put in to whining about "catching up", they'd be PvP gods by now.
Give me liberty or give me lasers
Amen, brother.
What would be great is to get some of these crybabies on the test server and give them a maxed toon and unlimited isk and see how they fare. I have a good idea.
Playing: BF4/BF:Hardline, Subnautica 7 days to die
Hiatus: EvE
Waiting on: World of Darkness(sigh)
Interested in: better games in general
Again, Malcanis, with this assumption that those who disagree with you must know nothing about the game.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
I'm not really seeing where this is a bad assumption to be honest. Just sayin
However, since Malcanis statement is true the people who are arguing against it either no nothing about the game, are vastly misinformed, or the most likely saw what they wanted to see when they realized that they might have to work or think to do well.
Would you care to point out an example that disproves my hypothesis?
Give me liberty or give me lasers
I've always thought it would be nice if CCP gave us a 4th "all to V" alt on SiSi. It would give people a chance to try ships before they commit to training for them, not to mention the utility you mention.
Give me liberty or give me lasers
After the last "All lvl5" event, it was clear that there would never be another one.
You can guess why.
Remind me?
Give me liberty or give me lasers
A small bit of off topic advice to the OP.
Don't view your ship as if it were the great new set of armor and weapon you can now equip that makes your character X amount better.
Your ship is expendible. It will get destroyed. You have to get use to seeing your ships as tools with a half-life. Their purpose is to allow you to do the activity that you choose to do. They will need to be replaced. The trick it to try to maximize your ROI. Your investment is your ships and the modules you fit them with. Your return is what you make it back to your hanger with. And remember, it is not yours until it is safely in a hanger.
You (your character) are not your ship. Your ship is just a tool. You are what you choose to train for and that determines now many tools you can use.
All die, so die well.
Remind me?
Sisi was completely unusable for actual bugtesting for the entire duration, pissing off most of the people who regularly do some productive bugreporting. QA and BH were not exactly happy about this. There will not be "all lvl5 again" in the foreseeable future for exactly that reason.
that is how i remember it as well. I remember there were several people in titans, before they were as common as they are now...doing naughty things. It was well loved by the forum replies, but wasn't very productive..hahahaha.
Playing: BF4/BF:Hardline, Subnautica 7 days to die
Hiatus: EvE
Waiting on: World of Darkness(sigh)
Interested in: better games in general
For one, you are only guessing, and second, you do not argue the matter but direct your attention to the poster (see argumentum ad hominem). It is wrong to assume that what someone says is false for the sole reason that the person is inexperienced etc. The more common version of this would be to simply dismiss the poster with "go back to WoW".
Do you have to see my Eve credentials before you can acknowledge my earlier post?
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
As someone who hasn't played EVE, but is tired of the dumbed down, risk-averse, never fail spoon-feeding of other MMOs, I'm interested. Open-world PVP with real consequences, truly player-created economies, and no damned Elves--sounds good to me.
BUT...
I hear (when you haven't played EVE before, you *hear* things) that because of the mechanic EVE uses to train skills, I can never be the equal of someone who has played longer than I have, simply by virtue of said mechanic.
True? And if true, is that still a game-breaker for a new player? In any MMO, there will always be someone bigger than you until you hit max level, but if you can train forever in EVE, is there a point at which I simply can't compete?
Thanks for any thoughtful replies.
I would have to say, it does not matter if you can catch up to older players or not.
You'll notice that most people will tell you to join a good corp, if you want to see all Eve has to offer.
Most likely, you won't be competing with older players by yourself. That would be foolish. You'll get more out of your experience in a corp. A good corp will give you advice on what to train immediately. You'll have more fun with more people, if PVP is what you're after. More people=more resources=more information=more fun.
With a good corp, a little reading online about skills and PVP and a lot of patience; you will be competing in a relatively short amount of time. It won't take long at all.
It's not about fighting, it's about balance. It's not about enlightenment, it's about balance. It's not about balance.
You seem to be assuming that I was talking about you, for some reason.
Give me liberty or give me lasers
Well of course that would happen if it was a short-term, one-off event. But when anyone can access an all-V on SiSi at any time, then it's not that special any more. There would be an initial logjam of people trying it out, then the novelty would fade.
Give me liberty or give me lasers
here , let's be honest. If you start now are you at a disadvantage than those with bazillions of skill points? yes.
sure you can pvp in groups early level with a cheap frigate. do u have the skills to pvp well in that frigate? no.
you read that you are in a frigate go kill a huge slow ship etc. no , doesnt work that way, huge ships have better defenses. k , medium ship, nope still, x player in medium ship has drones better than ur frig. You can join the game join a corp and do small end pvp, but it will take YEARS to do anything of meaning in eve.
yes, you can mine, farm missions , salvage said mission for isk. You will quit in 3 months.
you can work the market which, to be honest has a lot of money to be made but ask the people that search the web while they haul in game. game has an in game web browser for a reason.
oh, but its a sandbox i can do what i want. again , yes and no. you can't go in and create anything. you have the option to run missions, pvp, market, craft/mine. people say you can do what you want at anytime but it's not entirely true.
is eve a great game? yes it is, despite my negative points of view , the game is excellent but the biggest problem is making new player dillusional that they can join in and win.
people who have been playing 5 years+ will wreck you even if you are the einstein of piloting.
there's a reason vets say "just because you can fly it, don't mean you can fly it"
also , to add i would say 2 years would make you "worthwhile" in competative play.
I don't know what would be the proper word here is, but the dynamics of the game seems to be always changing.
I started in '06. I joined a 0.0 corp after a month in. All I could fly well was a Thorax. Blasters were great. Then I was in a Myrm. Projectiles were great and everyone was speed tanking. Then a nano nerf came, nuets, and more. People changed tactics each time.
Even in my Thorax, I was apart of the fighting. Although I think the Thorax is much better in low-sec.
The worst times I have ever had was when we had blobs or gate camping waiting for hours. I'd rather roam.
:sigh:
I'm eyeing the resub button again.......
Keep in mind the people saying you need to buy an account or you will never catch up are the same people that expect epics when they hit max lvl on random MMO 01239 - The insta-gratification crowd.
As somoene that recently started from scratch without anyone giving me any isk or anything it's entirely possible to have a good time. Will you be able to "catch up" - You can in some places, others not so much. Can you fly basic battlecruisers (staple ship for most fleet roams) well enough to be effective in PvP? Yes. Will you be flying a titan any time soon? Nope.
Do vets have an advantage? Yes, anyone telling you otherwise is lying. However, is that really that big of a deal? I don't see it as a big issue. I've been playing since January and I'm in a GREAT 0.0 nullsec alliance. We do tons of fights, there is always tons of ops running between us and our allies. I've been effective since day 1 on my rifter tackling shit. These days I'm up to battlecruisers and battleships. As of today I've broken into t2 frigates and stealth bombers.
Keep in mind that while vets can fly better ships, they also have just as much to lose. This isn't really a game that you're going to go out and duel someone in.
I say try it out. Take the game one step at a time. There is a lot of fun to be had in frigates. You get into battlecruisers before you know it and that's when the game really starts to open up.
Who wins EvE? I've been here since 2006, and I haven't won yet. Are you saying that vets are winning? Funnily enough, I would bet nickels to dollars, I have LOST more than you and anyone under 1 year in game, hands down. Winning is for FPS's and outdoor sports. Do you win WoW? Do you win at DF? I don't know, I played DF for about 14 months, and I was just starting to get competitive. I was on a Killmail within my first month in EvE, and once the bug bit, I was hooked.
Why do you believe that because I have level V skills, and years of experience that I am omnipotent? I make mistakes..I have to leave holes in my armor or shields. I don't always fit ECCM. I like blasters, but b/c they suck, I'm using something else. Why would someone believe that after they join, and are flying with experienced veterans, that they can't compete against other experienced veterans?
If you join EvE and try to solo it, or only play mining/mission running hi sec nonsense, you are ill prepared to cope with what the majority of the playerbase not only understands, but EMBRACES. PvP is the heart of the economy, the politics, the metagaming, the entire landscape is determined by FORCE. I can't understand why people don't understand that.
Saying you have to play for 2 years to be competitive is ludricous and and outright fallacy. I think you made that number up. I would like you to provide a EvEMon skillplan that details exactly what you need to train in 24 months that won't make you good, but only "competitive" with veteran players.
Until I start seeing EvEMon or some other skill based plan schedule...then these allegations will hereby be known as FALSE.
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More like 6 months to be highly effective, and 2 years to be highly effective in multiple races/ships.
I see where you're coming from, but it's just not the case. I think it goes back to some people see the glass half empty and some don't.
If you don't, the game provides the mechanics to wreck all kinds of havoc very quickly, but there is no guide or set path to do so. The player has to see the opportunity and seize it, in his/her own unique way. Few game worlds provide this, and it's the reason so many EVE players play so long.
You can play it safe or raise holy crap. Your choice, the game will let you do it either way.
This isn't completely true. Note though that you will not be able to contribute much until you at least 4-5 months after starting.
"im not talking about winning" the game.
im telling the truth, i havent played ina while and unless things have changed , he will get fed teh same B.S that every other new player gets fed.
to answer your original topic question, yes you are behind people that have been playing for 5+ years. You will never catch up, it's unfortunate but there is no possible way you can ever catch up. Skills take time. But, you may exceed them in certain areas by your skill choices.
You can "buy" a character too.
EVE is a different style game and new players will join and hook up with a new pilot corp doing frigs against frigs, but if u truly want to be useful , sub and learn skills and log off for 2 years. You will never survive major fleet battles until you can V level about 30 skills.
think far less.... as long as you go for supporting roles you can be a tackler with in a few days, EWAR support in a week and change. Sure you won't be swinging the big damage, but you can do plenty of stuff that can heavily contribute in a fleet.
What ever are you talking about? I played for about 3 years, took 6 months off, and now I'm back. I don't feel that I'm behind anyone regardless if they've been skilling up for 7 straight years. Iv'e got so many ships trained up in so many areas that I can do almost anything.
You keep missing the point, you don't need to catch up, you never did which is the beauty of EVE.
Oh yes, at 6 months I was in a Raven fighting my way through the BOB war, helped take down dozens of POS's and my corp actually captured a station in the process. (which we traded for a MOM)
I survived just fine, and it certainly didn't take 2 years.
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