stop blaming blizzard and get yourself a decent security software package, get rid of the porn and use common sense when opening emails and clicking on their links.
Great advice!
But I would start with decent security software and common sense...see if that eliminates it before making your computer worthless :P
This! I use a seperate Email address for WoW - and the only thing it is linked to is my Battlenet account. That Email address has NEVER recieved a phishing email, and I've never been hacked.
My regular Email account (associated with this site, among many - and NEVER associated with Blizzard) recieved 4-5 of them per day. If Blizzard really WERE behind all the attempts - you'd think they'd at least send them to the right Email address - not only that - you'd think they'd disguise the outgoing email - so that it wasn't obvious that 99% of them come from China/Korea ;P
Also key words "may have been stolen" (NOT "was stolen")
They have shut down all services and called in the FBI - I think it's pretty safe to assume it's well beyond a "may have". Hacker sites have posted screens of the data even. Rumors have gone out that the hacker tried to sell it back to SOE for $100k. This isn't a "maybe", the data contained HAS BEEN compromised. We just don't know to what extent.
Dude, this is serious stuff. Please stop acting as if it's no big deal. I don't care what Blizzard does but if you really wanna talk about it, there's a forum to dedicated to them - use it.
Also key words "may have been stolen" (NOT "was stolen")
So you think you're safe that you "may not" be compromised?
Better safe than sorry.
No, I don't think I am safe, I think that always. SOE being hacked has not made me feel less safe
After the Blizzard incident I don't feel safe at all and always on the lookout for odd behaviour, but considering I have not any of my mass load of accounts hacked with SOE I feel they are as safe as can be, and now after this fiasco they will be safer than ever.
One time I noticed in SWG that my ping was slightly higher than normal, and decided to check through my PC and found some software still installed on PC from downloading the client for LOTRO from Official EU Codemasters site. It was harmless just tied up bandwith. I mmediately removed it, and ping went back to normal
No company can be trusted, I just know how to handle SOE, and know people in SOE, so any crap bites me later, will be able to deal with it.
Also key words "may have been stolen" (NOT "was stolen")
"The personal information of the approximately 24.6 million SOE accounts that was illegally obtained: "
Did you miss that part?
SOE was hacked, their servers are down due as a result. SOE is a direct part of the worst breach of information security in the history of the entire world. Even when they had a chance to prevent it last week. In fact, the brilliant security minds at Sony/SOE that you have so much faith in forgot to turn off the servers for their facebook games until last night. AFTER they had been hacked twice on different dates. Seems a rather clumbsy thing to do for a company that has been repeatedly hacked in the last serval days don't you think?
Yet you want to talk about SOE being hacked as if things are hypothetical.
Blizzard has not been hacked. There have not had to take their service offline indefinately. They have not had to apologize to millions of users for allowing their informaiton to be stolen.
Yet you want to talk about hypothetical situations that MIGHT happen to blizzard as if they have any relevant to this situation.
Also key words "may have been stolen" (NOT "was stolen")
They have shut down all services and called in the FBI - I think it's pretty safe to assume it's well beyond a "may have". Hacker sites have posted screens of the data even. Rumors have gone out that the hacker tried to sell it back to SOE for $100k. This isn't a "maybe", the data contained HAS BEEN compromised. We just don't know to what extent.
Dude, this is serious stuff. Please stop acting as if it's no big deal. I don't care what Blizzard does but if you really wanna talk about it, there's a forum to dedicated to them - use it.
It was not intended to be. I said my thought, then people start trolling thread and defending Blizzard, and so I continue with my thoughts on the matter.
You have provided more information that is needed out of this, than from all the clueless Blizzard suck ups - thank you
But if you knew why not say something sooner or were you enjoying the SWG vs Blizzard arguments?
In fact, the brilliant security minds at Sony/SOE that you have so much faith in forgot to turn off the servers for their facebook games until last night. AFTER they had been hacked twice on different dates. Seems a rather clumbsy thing to do for a company that has been repeatedly hacked in the last serval days don't you think?
Correction...the FBI ordered it ALL shut down, not SOE.
It was not intended to be. I said my thought, then people start trolling thread and defending Blizzard, and so I continue with my thoughts on the matter.
You have provided more information that is needed out of this, than from all the clueless Blizzard suck ups - thank you
But if you knew why not say something sooner or were you enjoying the SWG vs Blizzard arguments?
Who is trolling? You bring up the situation of hackers phishing account information from INDIVIDUALS as if it somehow compares to the hacking of an entire database of every single player for an entire COMPANY.
Are people trolls for debating your ignorance of the situation? (that is not an insult) There was nothing preventing you from doing a little research on a subject you were so eager to tell people how wrong they were.
In fact, the brilliant security minds at Sony/SOE that you have so much faith in forgot to turn off the servers for their facebook games until last night. AFTER they had been hacked twice on different dates. Seems a rather clumbsy thing to do for a company that has been repeatedly hacked in the last serval days don't you think?
Correction...the FBI ordered it ALL shut down, not SOE.
I stand corrected. SOE must have felt those servers were secure enough to keep online.
Also key words "may have been stolen" (NOT "was stolen")
"The personal information of the approximately 24.6 million SOE accounts that was illegally obtained: "
Did you miss that part?
SOE was hacked, their servers are down due as a result. SOE is a direct part of the worst breach of information security in the history of the entire world. Even when they had a chance to prevent it last week. In fact, the brilliant security minds at Sony/SOE that you have so much faith in forgot to turn off the servers for their facebook games until last night. AFTER they had been hacked twice on different dates. Seems a rather clumbsy thing to do for a company that has been repeatedly hacked in the last serval days don't you think?
Yet you want to talk about SOE being hacked as if things are hypothetical.
Blizzard has not been hacked. There have not had to take their service offline indefinately. They have not had to apologize to millions of users for allowing their informaiton to be stolen.
Yet you want to talk about hypothetical situations that MIGHT happen to blizzard as if they have any relevant to this situation.
"Blizzard has not been hacked" Not that anyone is aware of, but with the mass load of accounts that are getting hacked, Blizzard must be getting hacked. Even on pro rata basis of number of accounts between Blizzard and SOE, the number of hacked Blizzards accounts are actually higher than SOE. If SOE details get out, then hacked accounts between SOE and Blizzard would probably balance out.
"There have not had to take their service offline indefinately. They have not had to apologize to millions of users for allowing their informaiton to be stolen." Not yet, if they discover they are being hacked next week then same thing could happen
It is relevant to this situation, because no where is safe, and Blizzard has as much chance of being a target as SOE does, and is a target daily with the mass amount of accounts that get hacked. Blizzard seem to accept the fact that accounts get hacked and take it on board on everyday procedure, instead of trying to crush it all, like SOE are doing right now.
"Blizzard has not been hacked" Not that anyone is aware of, but with the mass load of accounts that are getting hacked, Blizzard must be getting hacked. Even on pro rata basis of number of accounts between Blizzard and SOE, the number of hacked Blizzards accounts are actually higher than SOE. If SOE details get out, then hacked accounts between SOE and Blizzard would probably balance out.
"There have not had to take their service offline indefinately. They have not had to apologize to millions of users for allowing their informaiton to be stolen." Not yet, if they discover they are being hacked next week then same thing could happen
It is relevant to this situation, because no where is safe, and Blizzard has as much chance of being a target as SOE does, and is a target daily with the mass amount of accounts that get hacked. Blizzard seem to accept the fact that accounts get hacked and take it on board on everyday procedure, instead of trying to crush it all, like SOE are doing right now.
There you go again talking about hypotheticals and blind speculation as if it is a fact.
Blizzard accounts get hacked more, because there is a market for wow gold. Few SOE games get hacked, because there are not many people playing them and thus few actual customers to sell to. There is a reason why almost everyone reading these forums gets spammed to death with fake blizzard emails that try to trick players out of their account information or install a trojan virus. Compared to the almost zero emails people get trying to phish account information from SOE games.
This is obvious common sense stuff you are overlooking here. No company can stop a player from being careless with their account information and that is why world of warcraft gets so many accounts hacked. Players can't screw something up and expose the entire database of a company to hackers. That is 100% the fault of the company.
If someone got the blizzard database they would be selling it just like the hackers are with the Sony database. It would be a topic of discussion on hacking forums. That is how Sony found out they were hacked.
You know what, until blizzard gets shut down by the FBI or caught leaking the information of millions of their customers, lets stick to the facts ok?
"Blizzard has not been hacked" Not that anyone is aware of, but with the mass load of accounts that are getting hacked, Blizzard must be getting hacked. Even on pro rata basis of number of accounts between Blizzard and SOE, the number of hacked Blizzards accounts are actually higher than SOE. If SOE details get out, then hacked accounts between SOE and Blizzard would probably balance out.
"There have not had to take their service offline indefinately. They have not had to apologize to millions of users for allowing their informaiton to be stolen." Not yet, if they discover they are being hacked next week then same thing could happen
It is relevant to this situation, because no where is safe, and Blizzard has as much chance of being a target as SOE does, and is a target daily with the mass amount of accounts that get hacked. Blizzard seem to accept the fact that accounts get hacked and take it on board on everyday procedure, instead of trying to crush it all, like SOE are doing right now.
There you go again talking about hypotheticals and blind speculation as if it is a fact.
Blizzard accounts get hacked more, because there is a market for wow gold. Few SOE games get hacked, because there are not many people playing them and thus few actual customers to sell to. There is a reason why almost everyone reading these forums gets spammed to death with fake blizzard emails that try to trick players out of their account information or install a trojan virus. Compared to the almost zero emails people get trying to phish account information from SOE games.
This is obvious common sense stuff you are overlooking here. No company can stop a player from being careless with their account information and that is why world of warcraft gets so many accounts hacked. Players can't screw something up and expose the entire database of a company to hackers. That is 100% the fault of the company.
If someone got the blizzard database they would be selling it just like the hackers are with the Sony database. It would be a topic of discussion on hacking forums. That is how Sony found out they were hacked.
You know what, until blizzard gets shut down by the FBI or caught leaking the information of millions of their customers, lets stick to the facts ok?
I was not careless with my information and it still got hacked
The only reason SOE is aware of it all is because people have been stupid, and bragging about it on hacking forums, and if someone did try and sell it back to SOE, then the FBI will track that and FBI will retrieve / put a stop to the info getting out.
Blizzard hackers are more smart and keep the info for themselves, and do not got posting it about the place for Blizzard to get wind of it.
Individual accounts getting hacked and an entire database being jeopardized are two different things.
How are individual accounts getting hacked? I think from them hacking the entire database, and Blizzard unawares it is happening, because mine did not get hacked from your average phising method, it was something much more
I was not careless with my information and it still got hacked
The only reason SOE is aware of it all is because people have been stupid, and bragging about it on hacking forums, and if someone did try and sell it back to SOE, then the FBI will track that and FBI will retrieve / put a stop to the info getting out.
Blizzard hackers are more smart and keep the info for themselves, and do not got posting it about the place for Blizzard to get wind of it.
Wait, you think the FBI is going to track down hackers and stop information from getting out? You cannot be serious can you?
You think the blizzard hackers (which there is zero evidence of) are "more smart", because there is no evidence of their being an intrusion into the blizzard customer database? You have direct first hand knowledge of these blizzard hackers and that is why you know that they are not talking about what information they have stolen from blizzard, right? How exactly do you know what these phantom hackers and not talking about with the phantom information they have stolen from the phantom hack they performed on blizzard servers.
So far we have your testimony that blizzard must have been hacked, because you are safe with your information. Sorry if I am less than convinced by your wealth of evidence and information. Do you have anything else to add or are you just trying to derail the thread and make apologies for SOE?
Individual accounts getting hacked and an entire database being jeopardized are two different things.
How are individual accounts getting hacked? I think from them hacking the entire database, and Blizzard unawares it is happening, because mine did not get hacked from your average phising method, it was something much more
All a hacker needs is access to your email account and they have everything they need to take control of your account and erase every trace that they were there. They could still have your access and you would not even know it.
Think outside the box. Just because YOU do not have an understanding of how your account was hacked doesn't mean it is someone elses fault.
Also key words "may have been stolen" (NOT "was stolen")
They have shut down all services and called in the FBI - I think it's pretty safe to assume it's well beyond a "may have". Hacker sites have posted screens of the data even. Rumors have gone out that the hacker tried to sell it back to SOE for $100k. This isn't a "maybe", the data contained HAS BEEN compromised. We just don't know to what extent.
Dude, this is serious stuff. Please stop acting as if it's no big deal. I don't care what Blizzard does but if you really wanna talk about it, there's a forum to dedicated to them - use it.
It was not intended to be. I said my thought, then people start trolling thread and defending Blizzard, and so I continue with my thoughts on the matter.
You have provided more information that is needed out of this, than from all the clueless Blizzard suck ups - thank you
But if you knew why not say something sooner or were you enjoying the SWG vs Blizzard arguments?
people are not randomly defending blizzard mate.
somebody brought the comparison and i think it was you. we could be comparing SOE to Funcom for the sake of this debate.
if you have money on bank X, and that bank gets hacked due to database mismanagement and you lose all your savings, you cant go blaming neither bank A, B or C (or D, E or F) because you dropped your ATM card with the pin # attached to it and someone used it to withdraw money in those banks; and then sustain that bank X has a better security system.
Individual accounts getting hacked and an entire database being jeopardized are two different things.
How are individual accounts getting hacked? I think from them hacking the entire database, and Blizzard unawares it is happening, because mine did not get hacked from your average phising method, it was something much more
All a hacker needs is access to your email account and they have everything they need to take control of your account and erase every trace that they were there. They could still have your access and you would not even know it.
Think outside the box. Just because YOU do not have an understanding of how your account was hacked doesn't mean it is someone elses fault.
I have several email accounts, and they all duplicate the mail into all of them, so would know if they had control of an account. Plus the email address at the time collates emails into groups, and can not delete indivudual emails and would need to delete the entire group, flagging that someone else had been there.
It could not be a key logging program, as never entered details due to not playing the game
When Blizzard failed to respond to my tickets, that is when it became their fault, and put suspicion into their laps
The only way my account got hacked was straight from Blizzards databases by a hacker or an inside job
So you have self concluded that you are somehow immune to getting hacked by hackers and since blizzard did not answer your emails they are acting suspicious and it must be their fault.
That is really the extent of your proof?
I wish I had a nickle for every user that promised me they didn't do something to cause the problems on their computer. That it must be someone else, because they didn't do anything.
The world seems filled with computer security experts it seems.
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This! I use a seperate Email address for WoW - and the only thing it is linked to is my Battlenet account. That Email address has NEVER recieved a phishing email, and I've never been hacked.
My regular Email account (associated with this site, among many - and NEVER associated with Blizzard) recieved 4-5 of them per day. If Blizzard really WERE behind all the attempts - you'd think they'd at least send them to the right Email address - not only that - you'd think they'd disguise the outgoing email - so that it wasn't obvious that 99% of them come from China/Korea ;P
Tin foil hat time!
They have shut down all services and called in the FBI - I think it's pretty safe to assume it's well beyond a "may have". Hacker sites have posted screens of the data even. Rumors have gone out that the hacker tried to sell it back to SOE for $100k. This isn't a "maybe", the data contained HAS BEEN compromised. We just don't know to what extent.
Dude, this is serious stuff. Please stop acting as if it's no big deal. I don't care what Blizzard does but if you really wanna talk about it, there's a forum to dedicated to them - use it.
NWO did it Cekis. NWO Hacks.
It keeps coming back.
My money is on Smokey!
No, I don't think I am safe, I think that always. SOE being hacked has not made me feel less safe
After the Blizzard incident I don't feel safe at all and always on the lookout for odd behaviour, but considering I have not any of my mass load of accounts hacked with SOE I feel they are as safe as can be, and now after this fiasco they will be safer than ever.
One time I noticed in SWG that my ping was slightly higher than normal, and decided to check through my PC and found some software still installed on PC from downloading the client for LOTRO from Official EU Codemasters site. It was harmless just tied up bandwith. I mmediately removed it, and ping went back to normal
No company can be trusted, I just know how to handle SOE, and know people in SOE, so any crap bites me later, will be able to deal with it.
"The personal information of the approximately 24.6 million SOE accounts that was illegally obtained: "
Did you miss that part?
SOE was hacked, their servers are down due as a result. SOE is a direct part of the worst breach of information security in the history of the entire world. Even when they had a chance to prevent it last week. In fact, the brilliant security minds at Sony/SOE that you have so much faith in forgot to turn off the servers for their facebook games until last night. AFTER they had been hacked twice on different dates. Seems a rather clumbsy thing to do for a company that has been repeatedly hacked in the last serval days don't you think?
Yet you want to talk about SOE being hacked as if things are hypothetical.
Blizzard has not been hacked. There have not had to take their service offline indefinately. They have not had to apologize to millions of users for allowing their informaiton to be stolen.
Yet you want to talk about hypothetical situations that MIGHT happen to blizzard as if they have any relevant to this situation.
It was not intended to be. I said my thought, then people start trolling thread and defending Blizzard, and so I continue with my thoughts on the matter.
You have provided more information that is needed out of this, than from all the clueless Blizzard suck ups - thank you
But if you knew why not say something sooner or were you enjoying the SWG vs Blizzard arguments?
Correction...the FBI ordered it ALL shut down, not SOE.
Who is trolling? You bring up the situation of hackers phishing account information from INDIVIDUALS as if it somehow compares to the hacking of an entire database of every single player for an entire COMPANY.
Are people trolls for debating your ignorance of the situation? (that is not an insult) There was nothing preventing you from doing a little research on a subject you were so eager to tell people how wrong they were.
I stand corrected. SOE must have felt those servers were secure enough to keep online.
Yeah, but Tux... you have one thing Smokey doesn't.... MOTIVE!!!
"Blizzard has not been hacked" Not that anyone is aware of, but with the mass load of accounts that are getting hacked, Blizzard must be getting hacked. Even on pro rata basis of number of accounts between Blizzard and SOE, the number of hacked Blizzards accounts are actually higher than SOE. If SOE details get out, then hacked accounts between SOE and Blizzard would probably balance out.
"There have not had to take their service offline indefinately. They have not had to apologize to millions of users for allowing their informaiton to be stolen." Not yet, if they discover they are being hacked next week then same thing could happen
It is relevant to this situation, because no where is safe, and Blizzard has as much chance of being a target as SOE does, and is a target daily with the mass amount of accounts that get hacked. Blizzard seem to accept the fact that accounts get hacked and take it on board on everyday procedure, instead of trying to crush it all, like SOE are doing right now.
But I'm a LAZY SOB! Trust me...I may have "motive", just no "motivation"
There you go again talking about hypotheticals and blind speculation as if it is a fact.
Blizzard accounts get hacked more, because there is a market for wow gold. Few SOE games get hacked, because there are not many people playing them and thus few actual customers to sell to. There is a reason why almost everyone reading these forums gets spammed to death with fake blizzard emails that try to trick players out of their account information or install a trojan virus. Compared to the almost zero emails people get trying to phish account information from SOE games.
This is obvious common sense stuff you are overlooking here. No company can stop a player from being careless with their account information and that is why world of warcraft gets so many accounts hacked. Players can't screw something up and expose the entire database of a company to hackers. That is 100% the fault of the company.
If someone got the blizzard database they would be selling it just like the hackers are with the Sony database. It would be a topic of discussion on hacking forums. That is how Sony found out they were hacked.
You know what, until blizzard gets shut down by the FBI or caught leaking the information of millions of their customers, lets stick to the facts ok?
I was not careless with my information and it still got hacked
The only reason SOE is aware of it all is because people have been stupid, and bragging about it on hacking forums, and if someone did try and sell it back to SOE, then the FBI will track that and FBI will retrieve / put a stop to the info getting out.
Blizzard hackers are more smart and keep the info for themselves, and do not got posting it about the place for Blizzard to get wind of it.
"Better safe than Sony." - Fixt that for ya
Steam: Neph
Individual accounts getting hacked and an entire database being jeopardized are two different things.
How are individual accounts getting hacked? I think from them hacking the entire database, and Blizzard unawares it is happening, because mine did not get hacked from your average phising method, it was something much more
Wait, you think the FBI is going to track down hackers and stop information from getting out? You cannot be serious can you?
You think the blizzard hackers (which there is zero evidence of) are "more smart", because there is no evidence of their being an intrusion into the blizzard customer database? You have direct first hand knowledge of these blizzard hackers and that is why you know that they are not talking about what information they have stolen from blizzard, right? How exactly do you know what these phantom hackers and not talking about with the phantom information they have stolen from the phantom hack they performed on blizzard servers.
So far we have your testimony that blizzard must have been hacked, because you are safe with your information. Sorry if I am less than convinced by your wealth of evidence and information. Do you have anything else to add or are you just trying to derail the thread and make apologies for SOE?
All a hacker needs is access to your email account and they have everything they need to take control of your account and erase every trace that they were there. They could still have your access and you would not even know it.
Think outside the box. Just because YOU do not have an understanding of how your account was hacked doesn't mean it is someone elses fault.
people are not randomly defending blizzard mate.
somebody brought the comparison and i think it was you. we could be comparing SOE to Funcom for the sake of this debate.
if you have money on bank X, and that bank gets hacked due to database mismanagement and you lose all your savings, you cant go blaming neither bank A, B or C (or D, E or F) because you dropped your ATM card with the pin # attached to it and someone used it to withdraw money in those banks; and then sustain that bank X has a better security system.
I have several email accounts, and they all duplicate the mail into all of them, so would know if they had control of an account. Plus the email address at the time collates emails into groups, and can not delete indivudual emails and would need to delete the entire group, flagging that someone else had been there.
It could not be a key logging program, as never entered details due to not playing the game
When Blizzard failed to respond to my tickets, that is when it became their fault, and put suspicion into their laps
The only way my account got hacked was straight from Blizzards databases by a hacker or an inside job
So you have self concluded that you are somehow immune to getting hacked by hackers and since blizzard did not answer your emails they are acting suspicious and it must be their fault.
That is really the extent of your proof?
I wish I had a nickle for every user that promised me they didn't do something to cause the problems on their computer. That it must be someone else, because they didn't do anything.
The world seems filled with computer security experts it seems.