First, 2D isnt less work than 3D when it comes to MMOs, because 3D can be reused and 2D cant.
Second, 2D isnt looking worse than 3D. It leads to a worse interface. But it wasnt before The Witcher than I actually saw a 3D game that looked as good as the good old 2D titles like Baldurs Gate. Vanguard definitely doesnt look as good as Baldurs Gate, but it has a much better interface.
Third, when I saw Lineage 2, I thought: yes, thats how good a game needs to look. If it looks even better, great. But I dont need better looks to be happy in a game.
2D has changed a lot since the days of Ultima Online.
There are a lot of improvements in technology, even for 2D graphic creation, where one can animate several characters using a single animation, despite the fact they are all 2D!
Well, when I'm referring to 2D, I'm mostly thinking about pixel art, I suppose.
Yeah, there's other stuff too, like creating 3D models then turning them into 2D art, or using vector art.
I retract my previous statement for other types of 2D. Still not as awesome as the hand drawn stuff in my opinion, but I'm old school.
Originally posted by xKingdomx
I'm still unsure of how 2d can ve open world......must require immense amount of imagination.....
Isometric perspective
... or really big side scrollers with lots of levels.
Or top down.
Really, there's a variety of ways? I mean, thanks for saying I have an immense amount of imagination though.
2D graphics have a speical place in my heart. Probably because I grew up playing games that used sprite graphics.
So yeah, I'd give it a shot. I think its less of a "graphics" issue and more of a "style" issue. Playing a game in an isometroic perspective feels a lot different than playing in a 3D one. I think 2D games still have a place and an audience.
I don't always agree with you, but when you're right, you're right.
I'm not biased at all because I posted an Odin's Sphere and Muramasa picture, nope.
... but seriously, so gorgeous. If they took the Muramasa type graphics engine, allowed more characters, perhaps a few levels of parallax depth, then put an actual MMO style world and game engine to it?
I'd... okay, I admit it. I'd give in and pay a subscription fee even though I'm not a sub fee fan.
i think the question is realy interesting, so here is mho:
At first i would say no because its kinda outdated to go and play a 2D MMORPG these days ( i left UO because if its age...well that and the fact that the last expansions ruined it for me....UO just got TOO damn easy).
BUT if the game realy had dept and i mean DEPT then i would most certainly play it....kinda depends on how much dept the game has.
i think the question is realy interesting, so here is mho:
At first i would say no because its kinda outdated to go and play a 2D MMORPG these days ( i left UO because if its age...well that and the fact that the last expansions ruined it for me....UO just got TOO damn easy).
BUT if the game realy had depth and i mean DEPTH then i would most certainly play it....kinda depends on how much dept the game has.
i think the question is realy interesting, so here is mho:
At first i would say no because its kinda outdated to go and play a 2D MMORPG these days ( i left UO because if its age...well that and the fact that the last expansions ruined it for me....UO just got TOO damn easy).
BUT if the game realy had depth and i mean DEPTH then i would most certainly play it....kinda depends on how much dept the game has.
Hope that this answers the OP's question.
sorry about that mr spelling police.....english aint my native language
I can't do 2d anymore. They just don't interest me like a 3d game does. I guess you can say that I crave the depth as far as graphics. That and the ability to look around ya know.
Nah, c'mon, even Americans aren't THAT ignorant. (Mostly)
Don't confuse a troll with a bit of gentle teasing. I mean, you even admitted you were being a prat, I just thought you needed a little friendly deflating.
thats exactly what i am doing.....trying to make my english better.
maybe i could have formulated my answer i bit less sarcastic....sorry (a)bout that
ps: in the UK the native language is english dude.....hehe.
Your English is about a billion times better than my Belgian, ha!
I actually used to correct people's English a lot, and sometimes in pretty mean ways, until one day I found out I had spent months making fun of a woman who turned out to be a grandmother who had a stroke, and I used to make her cry.
Then I realized there's better things to do with my spare time, and people have all sorts of reasons for not being good at English, like being foreign, young, or... well, being really old and having had a stroke.
To be honest, it's probably kind of a compliment if somebody corrects you on just one thing like that, it shows your English is good enough that mistakes stand out, instead of just all being some weird incomprehensible blur.
(... and to still be on topic, I would even play a text based MMORPG. I guess that's technically just a MUD. Never mind. )
Originally posted by dragon28731 The title says it all. How important are graphics to you? If there was a 2d mmo to come out, even an eclipse game, that has all the features everyone is looking for. Such as, in depth crafting, player made factions, immersive world, ect. Would you play it?
As a game developer I am curious what people think.
As far as how my own brain is wired...
A 2D world isn't immersive. That's why even though I tried UO and thought it great I didn't stay (to me UO is 2D). it's why I did not enjoy the Diablo spg series even though I was very much attracted to it initially.
/to me the difference between 2D and 3D isn't graphics, it's about perspective, about perception.
disclaimer: my brain is known to look like ATT's dsl monster.
I am the Player that wonders... "What the %#*& just happened?!" ............... "I Believe... There should be NO financial connection or portals between the Real World and the Virtual in MMOs. " __Ever Present Cockroach of the MMO Verses__ ...scurrying to and fro... .munching on bits of garbage... always under foot...
A 2D world isn't immersive. That's why even though I tried UO and thought it great I didn't stay (to me UO is 2D). it's why I did not enjoy the Diablo spg series even though I was very much attracted to it initially.
/to me the difference between 2D and 3D isn't graphics, it's about perspective, about perception.
disclaimer: my brain is known to look like ATT's dsl monster.
Hey, we're all wired differently. To me, a world without graphics is more immersive.
Good luck selling 'The next WoW killer will be text based!' though.
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First, 2D isnt less work than 3D when it comes to MMOs, because 3D can be reused and 2D cant.
Second, 2D isnt looking worse than 3D. It leads to a worse interface. But it wasnt before The Witcher than I actually saw a 3D game that looked as good as the good old 2D titles like Baldurs Gate. Vanguard definitely doesnt look as good as Baldurs Gate, but it has a much better interface.
Third, when I saw Lineage 2, I thought: yes, thats how good a game needs to look. If it looks even better, great. But I dont need better looks to be happy in a game.
There are legions of colorswapped characters in old games that beg to differ with you.
It's not so much they can't be reused, is that the ANIMATION has to be custom made.
I mean, with 3D it's just a lot of waving a skeleton around. That can be swapped from one model to another to another, no problem.
You can't do that with 2D, each character (Barring color swaps, which dont' count) needs to be animated seperately. Talk about a lot of work!
Graphics are not everything but you can't just throw them out the window. So no, I wouldn't play a 2d game.
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I'm still unsure of how 2d can ve open world......must require immense amount of imagination.....
How much WoW could a WoWhater hate, if a WoWhater could hate WoW?
As much WoW as a WoWhater would, if a WoWhater could hate WoW.
Well, when I'm referring to 2D, I'm mostly thinking about pixel art, I suppose.
Yeah, there's other stuff too, like creating 3D models then turning them into 2D art, or using vector art.
I retract my previous statement for other types of 2D. Still not as awesome as the hand drawn stuff in my opinion, but I'm old school.
Isometric perspective
... or really big side scrollers with lots of levels.
Or top down.
Really, there's a variety of ways?
I mean, thanks for saying I have an immense amount of imagination though. 
2D graphics have a speical place in my heart. Probably because I grew up playing games that used sprite graphics.
So yeah, I'd give it a shot. I think its less of a "graphics" issue and more of a "style" issue. Playing a game in an isometroic perspective feels a lot different than playing in a 3D one. I think 2D games still have a place and an audience.
Abso-friggin-lutely.
Especially if Vanillaware made an MMO with sandboxy depth;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LgYWGbmzk0
Their backgrounds are like moving paintings, and the sprites 'breathe' like none other.
Also;
Open-world 2d = Super Metroid.
Dare you to clown the power of that game.
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I don't always agree with you, but when you're right, you're right.
I'm not biased at all because I posted an Odin's Sphere and Muramasa picture, nope.
... but seriously, so gorgeous. If they took the Muramasa type graphics engine, allowed more characters, perhaps a few levels of parallax depth, then put an actual MMO style world and game engine to it?
I'd... okay, I admit it. I'd give in and pay a subscription fee even though I'm not a sub fee fan.
V-ware should seriously make the next metroid game, dead serious.
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Now Playing: Skyrim, Wurm Online, Tropico 4
Waiting On: GW2, TSW, Archeage, The Rapture
i think the question is realy interesting, so here is mho:
At first i would say no because its kinda outdated to go and play a 2D MMORPG these days ( i left UO because if its age...well that and the fact that the last expansions ruined it for me....UO just got TOO damn easy).
BUT if the game realy had dept and i mean DEPT then i would most certainly play it....kinda depends on how much dept the game has.
Hope that this answers the OP's question.
Chins
sorry about that mr spelling police.....english aint my native language
Sorry, had my Prat hat on.
Chins
Well, to be fair, him too! He doesn't come from a country like America where English is the native language and where people are the best at it.
I think he comes from the UK or something. Just goes to show you that anybody can learn English if they practice enough.
I think I smell a troll
Chins
I can't do 2d anymore. They just don't interest me like a 3d game does. I guess you can say that I crave the depth as far as graphics. That and the ability to look around ya know.
Nah, c'mon, even Americans aren't THAT ignorant. (Mostly)
Don't confuse a troll with a bit of gentle teasing. I mean, you even admitted you were being a prat, I just thought you needed a little friendly deflating.
Consider me suitably deflated. Meant troll in the nicest possible sense of the word.
Chins
thats exactly what i am doing.....trying to make my english better.
maybe i could have formulated my answer i bit less sarcastic....sorry (a)bout that
ps: in the UK the native language is english dude.....hehe.
Your English is about a billion times better than my Belgian, ha!
I actually used to correct people's English a lot, and sometimes in pretty mean ways, until one day I found out I had spent months making fun of a woman who turned out to be a grandmother who had a stroke, and I used to make her cry.
Then I realized there's better things to do with my spare time, and people have all sorts of reasons for not being good at English, like being foreign, young, or... well, being really old and having had a stroke.
To be honest, it's probably kind of a compliment if somebody corrects you on just one thing like that, it shows your English is good enough that mistakes stand out, instead of just all being some weird incomprehensible blur.
(... and to still be on topic, I would even play a text based MMORPG. I guess that's technically just a MUD. Never mind.
)
Well, that was quite the conversation stopper...
Chins
No harm done.
Now lets give the OP his thread back.
Yes, I hate people that just plays games for the graphics (like 99%) out there. We are a small bunch that finds 2D charming and awesome.
As far as how my own brain is wired...
A 2D world isn't immersive. That's why even though I tried UO and thought it great I didn't stay (to me UO is 2D). it's why I did not enjoy the Diablo spg series even though I was very much attracted to it initially.
/to me the difference between 2D and 3D isn't graphics, it's about perspective, about perception.
disclaimer: my brain is known to look like ATT's dsl monster.
I am the Player that wonders... "What the %#*& just happened?!"
...............
"I Believe... There should be NO financial connection or portals between the Real World and the Virtual in MMOs. "
__Ever Present Cockroach of the MMO Verses__
...scurrying to and fro... .munching on bits of garbage... always under foot...
Hey, we're all wired differently. To me, a world without graphics is more immersive.
Good luck selling 'The next WoW killer will be text based!' though.