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So, after (maybe) seeing the SW jedi vid and playing Rift, how is the proclaimed 'great' year of MMO
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Im a realist SO.
Ive always looked at SWTOR as KOTOR+Multiplayer.
And thats basically what it is to me. I also, yknoe, listen to the developers and Im going to say the same thing that Ive always said to posts like the one the OP made.
The devs themself stated they take inspiration from WoW for SWTOR.
Also...Didnt ANY of you play KOTOR? Its on rails for the most part o.O Yeah sure you can go to this planet before that planet but its still mostly on rails + the response decisions!
If any of you were expecting SWTOR to be SWG 2.0 then you guys were doing something like...Going off to buy EVE and expecting WoW. Seriously! o.O
Oh and your base in KOTOR = your ship. o.O
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Go look at the Taral IV video or some recent game footage from PAX East.
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Ok, back?
Now go to the GW page and look through the class skills videos. All of them. They're all less than 15s so it won't take long. And REALLY pay attention to how the characters are acting.
Ok...back?
Did you notice how if the scripted event (those videos are ENTIRELY SCRIPTED) wasn't perfect the characters would just sit there and auto attack? Notice in the Thief and Knight video the auto attacks in between skill button spam? Or when the knight put up that projectile reflection shield she just stood there auto attacking? It takes a somewhat trained eye, but you can tell that whoever made the video was trying VERY hard to stop the auto attacking so the video would look better.
It's not ANY different than what TOR or WoW or Rift has. ArenaNet has done an AMAZING job of trying to hide it by scripting out those videos like crazy, but it's still easily noticeable. Don't let them fool you.
I really like the Quest system and how I get to make choices, really got me interested while watching the leak.
I found the Combat very meh, nothing new, exactly the same as Rift or WoW but with lightsabers, they seem to be doing exactly what Rift did, just making the combat flashier.. I can see through the sweet lightsaber movements as just flashy BS to make you feel like a badass..
I dunno unless the pvp is absolutely amazing I think I will still with GW2.
Thats just graphical. And advanced skill still slice through ppl even though they are alive... Graphical =/= mechanics. Which sadly it seems its gonna use the same old same old combat mechanics
Odd, I got the exact opposite feeling. TOR's combat looked same old same old with standing in one spot and swinging away and GW2 combat looked fast paced, fluid and mobile.
All these naysayers make me laugh. It was an old video from a while ago. Evidence of that is purly down to the UI being an old version, as has been shown in multiple developer chats and even the friday feature they put out. THe game has undergone multiple polish passes as well as enhancements and will likely undergo more before E3 and release.
Seriously, some people on here make me wonder how they even get dressed in the morning.
When an apponents lightsaber is moving to block, its just visual BS.. It just makes it look cool, I want authenticity not just a pretend lightsaber fight. I kind of feel like this Developer thinks were to dumb to notice these things.
So you are basing all of your judgements on the skill examples on the main GW2 page eh? And you compare them to actual footage of the SW game. Interesting way of comparing games.
Scroll up to my other response. ArenaNet has done a very good job of pulling the wool over your eyes as to how their combat system actually works.
There you go.
Now, things to keep in mind. This is a video made by someone that is clearly familiar with the class. He's running around a lot, but he doesn't have to. You wanna know why he's running around? Because it looks cool. That's it. Look at the other people in the video though, see it? They're just standing there spamming buttons.
Take a look at the skill bar. He's spamming the same button most of the time. See how the mobs are just standing there?
How is this any different than TOR?
Hint: It's not.
what you say directly contradicts everyone else who has actually played the demo but carry on sir, fight the good fight
Unless I went in the past for a few minutes, I swear I was watching it live, talking to streamer as he alt tabbed.
That's the player not the game. You can't judge the game's combat mechanics through how a player uses them. I know for myself, i have never just stood in one spot and hacked and slashed, this guy did.
I admit, videos only show so far how fun a game really is. Maybe higher level gets more exciting and maybe (hopefully) this was old.
Still, if everything is great and fixed, why don't wee see such a video from Bioware? Why do we see only this HEAVY edited stuff? It just makes things suspicious. ArenaNet talked in great length about gameplay issues, about combat mechanics asf. And there was some really cool stuff. Like the arrows going through fire and catching additional fire damage. THAT is innovative! And that is the sort of combat innovation I would like to see. Not something 100% different, but something more than standing still hack out skill 1-3. I mean, just a bit funny, cool and different here and there to make it more "magic". Here, Bioware seemed to stick all the known and proven, always playing safe.
Again, maybe the final built will be different. That would be great. But I ALSO think we must voice our critique NOW, so there is a chance Bioware works on these things. Better push the game back and make it good.
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Did you not notice how you dodge in GW2? I'm not even going to get into the rest.. the Dodging alone makes SWTOR Combat look 10 years old.
I am now more than ever certain it will be a awesome year for MMO's. Swtor looks better than i imagined it will look like. I did know from a start they will not go into some realy new game changing inovations, as project is realy expensive, but RPG elements in the game... oh my i was suprised when i saw that gameplay is closer to DA or ME, than other mmo's. I think bioware is on to something
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Hypocracy much?
So basically what you want is arms and torso's being hacked off in one hit. You do realize that this is a video game right. Even in SWG that never happened so, why would you think that it should happen with this game.
Take a goooood look. You see people some people using the whole 'dodge' thing rarely, the ranger uses it the most, but only because he's the focus of the video and he was probably told to make it look 'cool'.
Take a GOOD look at everybody else and especially the mobs. Notice how they're mostly just standing around? Spamming skills? You're going to honestly tell me that's so DRASTICALLY different than TOR or WOW or Rift?
It's not. Stop kidding yourself.
So it's up to the player to make a boring tedious task look exciting even when we all know the developers took a combat system from 1997 and made it flashier?
Nope, not at all. The actual combat mechanics that i have seen, looks the same as anything out there. TOR's looks different to me. Like i said, just the melee mechanics with weapons blocking each other makes encounters of that nature, look like a SW fight. No other game has had that or has that at this time.
Well to each their own. I have to say that TOR's combat looks robotic and stiff. Even games like AoC and WoW have better combat, at least on appearances. I'll still get the game because of the other elements the game offers but combat is definitely a weak point for TOR, at least on appearances.
That can be said for any previous or upcoming game now can it.
Oh, oh! The video for GW2 I have up. Take a look about halfway through. IT'S JUST LIKE A HUNTER IN WOW! LOL!
Send bear to grab aggro.
Sit back, spam ranged attacks.
Oh noes, bear is dedz!
time to kite!
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You folks talking about how TOR is all flash and GW 2 is so different need to wake up. It's the same thing, worse even. It's worse because ArenaNet has CLEARLY done an amazing job of fooling people into believing it's something new and different, when it's not. It's the same thing with updated flash and flair.
The only thing interesting in that video is when the Ranger gets raped and he does...he basically pulls a page out of COD and pulls out a pistol to try to shoot people before he bleeds out. Sorry, but it's not new and the last thing I want to be reminded of when I'm playing an MMO is God damned COD.
You really can't because that the only thing combat wise that seperates TOR and GW2. Its good to hear that all it takes to make an origial MMO is the ability to dodge, have one self heal and stuns in combat.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
Notice how your not draging your curser over to target something and that dodging actually has an impact on how the enemy hits you?
Take a GOOOOOOOD look. And were comparing a video demo from almost a year ago to something from TOR a day ago, GW2 still make SWTORs combat look like it came directly out of WoW pre-alpha.