E3 isn't about quality games anymore, it's about finding stupid people with lots of money to buy Disney's business pitch that 'She's So Raven' would make a "hip and popular game for cool kids".
And what is wrong with that? video games have always been more about kids and less about adults.
Is this 1990? Have we travelled back in time?
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Side note: (i wouldn't go so far as to say E3 costs millions of dollars lol, but you do have a point)
ArenaNET has taken an interesting stance hen it comes to their GW2 and I respect them for it.
For 1) They are sticking with their "It'll be ready when it's ready" stance. Promising nothing, until it's been, at least what they feel, is complete. So i'm not surprised at all that they aren't afraid to not show off at E3.
and 2) This isn't the first time they skipped on E3. E3 is not a consumer trade show or convention it's a trade only expo, it's for industry professionals and vendors and not the general public. ArenaNet isn't building a game for industry professionals or vendors, so what's the point of showing there? They choose to attend where they get direct interaction with us as players themselves.
I guess noone remembers the incident back before the release of GW 1 when Anet was at E3 and they flew in a band to play while promoting the game. Someone from E3 came by and warned Anet about the noise and eventually ended up writting Anet a ticket. One of the guys from Anet took the ticket and threw it away. They haven't been back since then and honestly who cares it's just E3.
It was actually, as the poster above linked, Mutaytor's performance for the NCSoft display. Fred didn't throw the ticket away. He actually got up on stage, stopped the performance and called out the ESA and SEGA for their petty BS. He also announced that if the ESA wanted their money for the fine to have one of their execs come up on the stage and he'd write them the check right there.
2006 was the last year NCSoft was at E3 and, for me at least, was the last E3 that was fun. It looks like they tried returning to the old format, so I'm curious how things will change from this point on.
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More and more companies/shops are abandoning E3 for other conventions/trade shows. Off the top of my head, there's: Blizzard Valve Arenanet Funcom Bungie Rockstar To understand why, you have to understand how 2007's E3 restructure really hurt some of the developers, causing conventional wisdom to change from 'E3 is stable' to 'E3 is not always reliable'. That's in addition to the obvious problems that E3 has always been a press event and the press is notoriously stupid, whereas Pax is a player event.
Yeah all those companies must have ATTITUDE problems too. /sarcasm off
Granted it is a press event, by why in the world would you not want your game to be known to more people? The more exposure you have for your game the better the chance that people will see it.
Some people still only watch E3 and not pax or anything else to get their game news. Frankly with the B2P model they will want eery person they can get to come to their game and buy it. Word of mouth helps a lot, So that will help sales later but why you would pass up an oppertunity to show off your game at one of the biggest events is something i guess i'll never understand.
Before anyone says they have the other events, that still doesn't explain why they wouldn't go to this one to...unless they aren't allowed, maybe NCsoft said since we are the publishers of the game and we aren't going to E3, we won't bring GW2 to it.
The quote about only wanting to go to events because it's for the fans...i frankly don't buy. I've heard that before from companies merely trying to give a reason...We lowered our prices for you because we feel your worth it...no you lowered your prices to get a better sale.
I want to make perfectly clear i have nothing against Anet nor do i think they are trying anything underhanded or whatever. I do think NCsoft is involved in their decision for why they are not at E3 and Anet is telling us a reason we want to hear for that, that will make them look good.
However thats just my opinoin and speculation so take from it what you will.
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Granted it is a press event, by why in the world would you not want your game to be known to more people? The more exposure you have for your game the better the chance that people will see it.
Some people still only watch E3 and not pax or anything else to get their game news. Frankly with the B2P model they will want eery person they can get to come to their game and buy it. Word of mouth helps a lot, So that will help sales later but why you would pass up an oppertunity to show off your game at one of the biggest events is something i guess i'll never understand.
Before anyone says they have the other events, that still doesn't explain why they wouldn't go to this one to...unless they aren't allowed, maybe NCsoft said since we are the publishers of the game and we aren't going to E3, we won't bring GW2 to it.
The quote about only wanting to go to events because it's for the fans...i frankly don't buy. I've heard that before from companies merely trying to give a reason...We lowered our prices for you because we feel your worth it...no you lowered your prices to get a better sale.
I want to make perfectly clear i have nothing against Anet nor do i think they are trying anything underhanded or whatever. I do think NCsoft is involved in their decision for why they are not at E3 and Anet is telling us a reason we want to hear for that, that will make them look good.
However thats just my opinoin and speculation so take from it what you will.
E3 is mainly a media and press trade show. More about consoles and other technology rather than the games. ArenaNet are making a game and they would rather show it at places where the fans can get hands on experience with it rather than just some trailer or impression written by some website.
Granted it is a press event, by why in the world would you not want your game to be known to more people? The more exposure you have for your game the better the chance that people will see it.
Some people still only watch E3 and not pax or anything else to get their game news. Frankly with the B2P model they will want eery person they can get to come to their game and buy it. Word of mouth helps a lot, So that will help sales later but why you would pass up an oppertunity to show off your game at one of the biggest events is something i guess i'll never understand.
Before anyone says they have the other events, that still doesn't explain why they wouldn't go to this one to...unless they aren't allowed, maybe NCsoft said since we are the publishers of the game and we aren't going to E3, we won't bring GW2 to it.
The quote about only wanting to go to events because it's for the fans...i frankly don't buy. I've heard that before from companies merely trying to give a reason...We lowered our prices for you because we feel your worth it...no you lowered your prices to get a better sale.
I want to make perfectly clear i have nothing against Anet nor do i think they are trying anything underhanded or whatever. I do think NCsoft is involved in their decision for why they are not at E3 and Anet is telling us a reason we want to hear for that, that will make them look good.
However thats just my opinoin and speculation so take from it what you will.
E3 is mainly a media and press trade show. More about consoles and other technology rather than the games. ArenaNet are making a game and they would rather show it at places where the fans can get hands on experience with it rather than just some trailer or impression written by some website.
And for the same reason ArenaNet focuses on gameplay trailers rather than cinematic CG trailers like some other companies do (not pinpointing on a specific company, why would you assume that?) to get the initial awe.
Granted it is a press event, by why in the world would you not want your game to be known to more people? The more exposure you have for your game the better the chance that people will see it.
Some people still only watch E3 and not pax or anything else to get their game news. Frankly with the B2P model they will want eery person they can get to come to their game and buy it. Word of mouth helps a lot, So that will help sales later but why you would pass up an oppertunity to show off your game at one of the biggest events is something i guess i'll never understand.
Before anyone says they have the other events, that still doesn't explain why they wouldn't go to this one to...unless they aren't allowed, maybe NCsoft said since we are the publishers of the game and we aren't going to E3, we won't bring GW2 to it.
The quote about only wanting to go to events because it's for the fans...i frankly don't buy. I've heard that before from companies merely trying to give a reason...We lowered our prices for you because we feel your worth it...no you lowered your prices to get a better sale.
I want to make perfectly clear i have nothing against Anet nor do i think they are trying anything underhanded or whatever. I do think NCsoft is involved in their decision for why they are not at E3 and Anet is telling us a reason we want to hear for that, that will make them look good.
However thats just my opinoin and speculation so take from it what you will.
E3 is mainly a media and press trade show. More about consoles and other technology rather than the games. ArenaNet are making a game and they would rather show it at places where the fans can get hands on experience with it rather than just some trailer or impression written by some website.
I love how the fanboys have to do their best to spin everything. It's really funny, actually.
They all seem to forget the REAL reason ArenaNet is not there: NCSoft said so. There is no other reason than that. NCSoft does not participiate in E3. ArenaNet is owned by NCSoft and they are under complete control. Spin in any way you want, but that fact doesn't change.
Granted it is a press event, by why in the world would you not want your game to be known to more people? The more exposure you have for your game the better the chance that people will see it.
Some people still only watch E3 and not pax or anything else to get their game news. Frankly with the B2P model they will want eery person they can get to come to their game and buy it. Word of mouth helps a lot, So that will help sales later but why you would pass up an oppertunity to show off your game at one of the biggest events is something i guess i'll never understand.
Before anyone says they have the other events, that still doesn't explain why they wouldn't go to this one to...unless they aren't allowed, maybe NCsoft said since we are the publishers of the game and we aren't going to E3, we won't bring GW2 to it.
The quote about only wanting to go to events because it's for the fans...i frankly don't buy. I've heard that before from companies merely trying to give a reason...We lowered our prices for you because we feel your worth it...no you lowered your prices to get a better sale.
I want to make perfectly clear i have nothing against Anet nor do i think they are trying anything underhanded or whatever. I do think NCsoft is involved in their decision for why they are not at E3 and Anet is telling us a reason we want to hear for that, that will make them look good.
However thats just my opinoin and speculation so take from it what you will.
E3 is mainly a media and press trade show. More about consoles and other technology rather than the games. ArenaNet are making a game and they would rather show it at places where the fans can get hands on experience with it rather than just some trailer or impression written by some website.
I love how the fanboys have to do their best to spin everything. It's really funny, actually.
They all seem to forget the REAL reason ArenaNet is not there: NCSoft said so. There is no other reason than that. NCSoft does not participiate in E3. ArenaNet is owned by NCSoft and they are under complete control. Spin in any way you want, but that fact doesn't change.
Spin it any way you want, but the fact doesn't change. I know that NCSoft doesn't go there, but ArenaNet would still be skipping E3 even if NCSoft went there.
I love how haters have to do their best to spin everything in a negative light. It's really funny, actually.
Granted it is a press event, by why in the world would you not want your game to be known to more people? The more exposure you have for your game the better the chance that people will see it.
Some people still only watch E3 and not pax or anything else to get their game news. Frankly with the B2P model they will want eery person they can get to come to their game and buy it. Word of mouth helps a lot, So that will help sales later but why you would pass up an oppertunity to show off your game at one of the biggest events is something i guess i'll never understand.
Before anyone says they have the other events, that still doesn't explain why they wouldn't go to this one to...unless they aren't allowed, maybe NCsoft said since we are the publishers of the game and we aren't going to E3, we won't bring GW2 to it.
The quote about only wanting to go to events because it's for the fans...i frankly don't buy. I've heard that before from companies merely trying to give a reason...We lowered our prices for you because we feel your worth it...no you lowered your prices to get a better sale.
I want to make perfectly clear i have nothing against Anet nor do i think they are trying anything underhanded or whatever. I do think NCsoft is involved in their decision for why they are not at E3 and Anet is telling us a reason we want to hear for that, that will make them look good.
However thats just my opinoin and speculation so take from it what you will.
E3 is mainly a media and press trade show. More about consoles and other technology rather than the games. ArenaNet are making a game and they would rather show it at places where the fans can get hands on experience with it rather than just some trailer or impression written by some website.
I love how the fanboys have to do their best to spin everything. It's really funny, actually.
They all seem to forget the REAL reason ArenaNet is not there: NCSoft said so. There is no other reason than that. NCSoft does not participiate in E3. ArenaNet is owned by NCSoft and they are under complete control. Spin in any way you want, but that fact doesn't change.
Spin it any way you want, but the fact doesn't change. I know that NCSoft doesn't go there, but ArenaNet would still be skipping E3 even if NCSoft went there.
I love how haters have to do their best to spin everything in a negative light. It's really funny, actually.
Granted it is a press event, by why in the world would you not want your game to be known to more people? The more exposure you have for your game the better the chance that people will see it.
Some people still only watch E3 and not pax or anything else to get their game news. Frankly with the B2P model they will want eery person they can get to come to their game and buy it. Word of mouth helps a lot, So that will help sales later but why you would pass up an oppertunity to show off your game at one of the biggest events is something i guess i'll never understand.
Before anyone says they have the other events, that still doesn't explain why they wouldn't go to this one to...unless they aren't allowed, maybe NCsoft said since we are the publishers of the game and we aren't going to E3, we won't bring GW2 to it.
The quote about only wanting to go to events because it's for the fans...i frankly don't buy. I've heard that before from companies merely trying to give a reason...We lowered our prices for you because we feel your worth it...no you lowered your prices to get a better sale.
I want to make perfectly clear i have nothing against Anet nor do i think they are trying anything underhanded or whatever. I do think NCsoft is involved in their decision for why they are not at E3 and Anet is telling us a reason we want to hear for that, that will make them look good.
However thats just my opinoin and speculation so take from it what you will.
E3 is mainly a media and press trade show. More about consoles and other technology rather than the games. ArenaNet are making a game and they would rather show it at places where the fans can get hands on experience with it rather than just some trailer or impression written by some website.
I love how the fanboys have to do their best to spin everything. It's really funny, actually.
They all seem to forget the REAL reason ArenaNet is not there: NCSoft said so. There is no other reason than that. NCSoft does not participiate in E3. ArenaNet is owned by NCSoft and they are under complete control. Spin in any way you want, but that fact doesn't change.
Spin it any way you want, but the fact doesn't change. I know that NCSoft doesn't go there, but ArenaNet would still be skipping E3 even if NCSoft went there.
I love how haters have to do their best to spin everything in a negative light. It's really funny, actually.
"E3 is a sales and marketing oriented industry show. We prefer to spend our resources on shows that will put the game in front of fans."
Those aren't my words, they're the words of an ArenaNet CM.
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You act like you know for a fact that ArenaNet would attend E3 if NCSoft let them. For some reason I highly doubt that. Oh yeah, maybe because someone from ArenaNet said that they prefer to go to conventions for the fans.
I think it's actually more about respect, at least the way ArenaNet has always explained it to us it is. See, E3 is purely a press/media thing, now, and nothing more. It's for shiny, special super-important gaming journalists (most of whom couldn't write to save their life anyway and have no journalistic integrity to speak of, so why they deserve to be called journalists is beyond me). It's basically about putting on ad campaigns and handing out free stuff to press people. It's a lot of money, it comes off as buying favours, and really, it's not for everyday people.
ArenaNet has just expressed that they have no desire in getting involved with that, they'd rather sidestep the whole journalism slant and put the game in front of the people who actually play games (and probably can write worth a damn despite not being journalists). That'd be you and I. It's not restricted to press people who have to be part of an organisation to get a first hand sneak peek at things, no, instead if you buy a ticket then you've just as much chance of seeing and playing the game as any other person, press or not. And I don't know about you but I prefer that.
E3 tends to be nothing but loud trailers and money anyway. Even when it wasn't what it is now, it was about booth babes for crying out loud. The E3 has never been something that I've thought highly of or looked forward to, and often when it rolls around it just results in oh, gee, more computer-generated trailers with no gameplay footage to speak of. And this E3 hasn't been any different to any other E3 since the dawn of E3s. Bioware was there, and they showed off TOR, sure, but was it gameplay they showed? Was it anything related to their game at all?
Noap, Bioware had a bunch of new computer-generated trailers designed to get the press talking about their game.
You know, that approach makes me think that they have something to hide, it's decidedly sleazy. ArenaNet is turning up at conventions where we can meet these people and actually play their game in demo form, we can see it for all its beauty and even its flaws (which they have time to work on fixin thanks to doing this), they're honest and up front with us, and they give us actual first-hand access instead of just yet more bloody computer-generated trailers.
One thing was said on a gaming news site I visit recently that I agree with. Bioware should just stop making TOR and get their trailer-making people to do a new series of Star Wars films instead. Why? The only sizeable amount of gameplay footage they've released was so heavily slanted toward monotonous, repetitive WoW-like grinding that it actually managed to put some people to sleep when watching it, but opposed to that their computer-generated trailers have actually been mildly entertaining. And those trailers have actually had some pretty decent quality voice-acting (unlike the game itself)! It just seems like Bioware are pouring most of their game's money into advertising rather than bettering their game.
However, ArenaNet don't feel that they need to sleaze and shmuck like that to promote their game. They don't need big budget minimovies, they just show us their game, they let us play their game, and they let us talk to them about their game. Compared with the Bioware approach infinite trailers, which would you prefer?
ArenaNet skips E3 for the same reason that Bioware doesn't. And it's a very good reason, too.
I like the fact that Anet actually want's to be close to the fan so that they can actually be able to play the demo. Never really liked E3 to be honest.
Granted it is a press event, by why in the world would you not want your game to be known to more people? The more exposure you have for your game the better the chance that people will see it. Some people still only watch E3 and not pax or anything else to get their game news. Frankly with the B2P model they will want eery person they can get to come to their game and buy it. Word of mouth helps a lot, So that will help sales later but why you would pass up an oppertunity to show off your game at one of the biggest events is something i guess i'll never understand. Before anyone says they have the other events, that still doesn't explain why they wouldn't go to this one to...unless they aren't allowed, maybe NCsoft said since we are the publishers of the game and we aren't going to E3, we won't bring GW2 to it. The quote about only wanting to go to events because it's for the fans...i frankly don't buy. I've heard that before from companies merely trying to give a reason...We lowered our prices for you because we feel your worth it...no you lowered your prices to get a better sale. I want to make perfectly clear i have nothing against Anet nor do i think they are trying anything underhanded or whatever. I do think NCsoft is involved in their decision for why they are not at E3 and Anet is telling us a reason we want to hear for that, that will make them look good. However thats just my opinoin and speculation so take from it what you will.
Easy, PR.
In other words, maybe the event doesn't play to ArenaNets strengths.
Just because their not having a pissing contest like Sony and EA (or is it Madeux and Romanator) doesn't mean that they cant accomplish what they set out to do.
I think it's actually more about respect, at least the way ArenaNet has always explained it to us it is. See, E3 is purely a press/media thing, now, and nothing more. It's for shiny, special super-important gaming journalists (most of whom couldn't write to save their life anyway and have no journalistic integrity to speak of, so why they deserve to be called journalists is beyond me). It's basically about putting on ad campaigns and handing out free stuff to press people. It's a lot of money, it comes off as buying favours, and really, it's not for everyday people.
ArenaNet has just expressed that they have no desire in getting involved with that, they'd rather sidestep the whole journalism slant and put the game in front of the people who actually play games (and probably can write worth a damn despite not being journalists). That'd be you and I. It's not restricted to press people who have to be part of an organisation to get a first hand sneak peek at things, no, instead if you buy a ticket then you've just as much chance of seeing and playing the game as any other person, press or not. And I don't know about you but I prefer that.
E3 tends to be nothing but loud trailers and money anyway. Even when it wasn't what it is now, it was about booth babes for crying out loud. The E3 has never been something that I've thought highly of or looked forward to, and often when it rolls around it just results in oh, gee, more computer-generated trailers with no gameplay footage to speak of. And this E3 hasn't been any different to any other E3 since the dawn of E3s. Bioware was there, and they showed off TOR, sure, but was it gameplay they showed? Was it anything related to their game at all?
Noap, Bioware had a bunch of new computer-generated trailers designed to get the press talking about their game.
You know, that approach makes me think that they have something to hide, it's decidedly sleazy. ArenaNet is turning up at conventions where we can meet these people and actually play their game in demo form, we can see it for all its beauty and even its flaws (which they have time to work on fixin thanks to doing this), they're honest and up front with us, and they give us actual first-hand access instead of just yet more bloody computer-generated trailers.
One thing was said on a gaming news site I visit recently that I agree with. Bioware should just stop making TOR and get their trailer-making people to do a new series of Star Wars films instead. Why? The only sizeable amount of gameplay footage they've released was so heavily slanted toward monotonous, repetitive WoW-like grinding that it actually managed to put some people to sleep when watching it, but opposed to that their computer-generated trailers have actually been mildly entertaining. And those trailers have actually had some pretty decent quality voice-acting (unlike the game itself)! It just seems like Bioware are pouring most of their game's money into advertising rather than bettering their game.
However, ArenaNet don't feel that they need to sleaze and shmuck like that to promote their game. They don't need big budget minimovies, they just show us their game, they let us play their game, and they let us talk to them about their game. Compared with the Bioware approach infinite trailers, which would you prefer?
ArenaNet skips E3 for the same reason that Bioware doesn't. And it's a very good reason, too.
ArenaNet actually has a game worth showing off.
(Edit: Here's the footage I was talking about. 90 minutes of it, if you can get it to work, but it may have actually been pulled since I can't. If you can though, you'll see that once it gets past the intro stuff it's less than terrific and could more likely be described as soporific, which is probably why Bioware concentrates on E3 and trailers. :P)
You must have missed the 45 min demo for Tatoonie they showed...at E3.
Yep yep. Games journalists go to E3 to see trailers put out by developers whose games either aren't interesting enough or aren't complete enough to be played. People go to conventions to actually play games. This is why the games that are actually worth seeing will never, ever be at E3. This has always been true for as long as I can remember, and I remember the first E3 (when it was all booth babes, before it went all press only), and it continues to be true to this day.
I still think that wanting to only go to shows that fans go to is a line that used because they can't.
They played that themselves though, didn't they, as opposed to letting fans play it. You'll note that I mentioned 90 minutes of footage in my post. Herpa-friggin'-derp. Reading comprehension for the win, eh? That's hardly putting the game in front of the fans for them to play, now is it? Next time, try reading.
(The important thing to keep in mind here is, and I shall stress this, that E3 is PRESS ONLY so there's absolutely no chance of letting people play their game in a public venue, where it can be talked about. Bioware are apparently afraid of going to cons, and keep their game at E3, behind closed doors, where they can control how it's played.)
I still think that wanting to only go to shows that fans go to is a line that used because they can't.
They played that themselves though, didn't they, as opposed to letting fans play it. You'll note that I mentioned 90 minutes of footage in my post. Herpa-friggin'-derp. Reading comprehension for the win, eh? That's hardly putting the game in front of the fans for them to play, now is it? Next time, try reading.
Didn't see the edit all the way at the end...apologies...still doesn't change my stance on why Anet isn't there. Even if so. going to E3 doesn't in anyway make your fans be able to play the game any less.
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I still think that wanting to only go to shows that fans go to is a line that used because they can't.
They played that themselves though, didn't they, as opposed to letting fans play it. You'll note that I mentioned 90 minutes of footage in my post. Herpa-friggin'-derp. Reading comprehension for the win, eh? That's hardly putting the game in front of the fans for them to play, now is it? Next time, try reading.
Didn't see the edit all the way at the end...apologies...still doesn't change my stance on why Anet isn't there. Even if so. going to E3 doesn't in anyway make your fans be able to play the game any less.
It wasn't in the edit. Read the entire post. I mentioned it in the body of the post.
Please, please, please don't reply if you're going to essentially TL;DR me.
(Really. Search the post for '90,' it's in there. x_x I hate debating with TOR fans, they don't do reading well. :P)
I still think that wanting to only go to shows that fans go to is a line that used because they can't.
They played that themselves though, didn't they, as opposed to letting fans play it. You'll note that I mentioned 90 minutes of footage in my post. Herpa-friggin'-derp. Reading comprehension for the win, eh? That's hardly putting the game in front of the fans for them to play, now is it? Next time, try reading.
Didn't see the edit all the way at the end...apologies...still doesn't change my stance on why Anet isn't there. Even if so. going to E3 doesn't in anyway make your fans be able to play the game any less.
No, it doesn't. But why would ArenaNet spend a very large amount of money to go to a trade show where they can't let the fans play their game? Kinda defeats the purpose, don't you think.
If you're not letting fans actually play the game, then anything else is worthless. Controlled footage? Trailers? It smacks of being too afraid to let people play and talk about your game. ArenaNet go to cons because they don't want to hide shit from people, they want to be completely open, open about what makes the game great, and even open about the game's flaws so that they can fix them.
E3 is a PRESS ONLY event, so you're only going to get press there. It's not an event where Bioware can connect with the fans. Bioware hide from their fans. At least ArenaNet has the guts to come to us, instead of going to the press.
Well their stance has always been because E3 is not a hands on experience for fans so they don't go. Which ofcourse is true BUT what they don't realize is that the media are gamers too, not to mention millions from around the world watch E3 which ofcourse is a great way to market your game obviously. There are just so many pluses in going to E3 rather than not going. This is why ArenaNet will always be #2 because they never go all the way. They are content with going to the shows that are convient for them. The only reason they went to Pax East was because they did not have a booth which costs more money. I bet if they had to have a booth they would not have gone.
Well i for one enjoy watching video clips uploaded onto Youtube from fans being able to play the game. Wish i could goto one of them... They would have to drag me off that PC.
E3 isn't about quality games anymore, it's about finding stupid people with lots of money to buy Disney's business pitch that 'She's So Raven' would make a "hip and popular game for cool kids".
And what is wrong with that? video games have always been more about kids and less about adults.
Sorry but this is the stupidist comment I have ever read. The only person that would say this now days is someone that only plays a few nintendo games and lives under a rock. Videogames started out for kids, but then those kids grew up and the industry grew up with it.
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E3 cost massive amounts of $$
evrything needs to be hired from the E3 organisation, booth babes / stands / cofe machines / lights / etc etc
so why should they be there and pay E3 10 / 20 million dollar to show of some stuf we proberly have seen already ?
let them invest in their company and GW2, i think it was a smart move and they organize their own events and they are of good quality if i may say
GW2 doesnt need to buy their hype, it generates it by itself ^^
Side note: (i wouldn't go so far as to say E3 costs millions of dollars lol, but you do have a point)
ArenaNET has taken an interesting stance hen it comes to their GW2 and I respect them for it.
For 1) They are sticking with their "It'll be ready when it's ready" stance. Promising nothing, until it's been, at least what they feel, is complete. So i'm not surprised at all that they aren't afraid to not show off at E3.
and 2) This isn't the first time they skipped on E3. E3 is not a consumer trade show or convention it's a trade only expo, it's for industry professionals and vendors and not the general public. ArenaNet isn't building a game for industry professionals or vendors, so what's the point of showing there? They choose to attend where they get direct interaction with us as players themselves.
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It was actually, as the poster above linked, Mutaytor's performance for the NCSoft display. Fred didn't throw the ticket away. He actually got up on stage, stopped the performance and called out the ESA and SEGA for their petty BS. He also announced that if the ESA wanted their money for the fine to have one of their execs come up on the stage and he'd write them the check right there.
2006 was the last year NCSoft was at E3 and, for me at least, was the last E3 that was fun. It looks like they tried returning to the old format, so I'm curious how things will change from this point on.
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Yeah all those companies must have ATTITUDE problems too. /sarcasm offGranted it is a press event, by why in the world would you not want your game to be known to more people? The more exposure you have for your game the better the chance that people will see it.
Some people still only watch E3 and not pax or anything else to get their game news. Frankly with the B2P model they will want eery person they can get to come to their game and buy it. Word of mouth helps a lot, So that will help sales later but why you would pass up an oppertunity to show off your game at one of the biggest events is something i guess i'll never understand.
Before anyone says they have the other events, that still doesn't explain why they wouldn't go to this one to...unless they aren't allowed, maybe NCsoft said since we are the publishers of the game and we aren't going to E3, we won't bring GW2 to it.
The quote about only wanting to go to events because it's for the fans...i frankly don't buy. I've heard that before from companies merely trying to give a reason...We lowered our prices for you because we feel your worth it...no you lowered your prices to get a better sale.
I want to make perfectly clear i have nothing against Anet nor do i think they are trying anything underhanded or whatever. I do think NCsoft is involved in their decision for why they are not at E3 and Anet is telling us a reason we want to hear for that, that will make them look good.
However thats just my opinoin and speculation so take from it what you will.
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E3 is mainly a media and press trade show. More about consoles and other technology rather than the games. ArenaNet are making a game and they would rather show it at places where the fans can get hands on experience with it rather than just some trailer or impression written by some website.
And for the same reason ArenaNet focuses on gameplay trailers rather than cinematic CG trailers like some other companies do (not pinpointing on a specific company, why would you assume that?) to get the initial awe.
I love how the fanboys have to do their best to spin everything. It's really funny, actually.
They all seem to forget the REAL reason ArenaNet is not there: NCSoft said so. There is no other reason than that. NCSoft does not participiate in E3. ArenaNet is owned by NCSoft and they are under complete control. Spin in any way you want, but that fact doesn't change.
Spin it any way you want, but the fact doesn't change. I know that NCSoft doesn't go there, but ArenaNet would still be skipping E3 even if NCSoft went there.
I love how haters have to do their best to spin everything in a negative light. It's really funny, actually.
http://www.guildwars2guru.com/forum/showpost.php?p=742871&postcount=165
"E3 is a sales and marketing oriented industry show. We prefer to spend our resources on shows that will put the game in front of fans."
Those aren't my words, they're the words of an ArenaNet CM.
You act like you know for a fact that ArenaNet would attend E3 if NCSoft let them. For some reason I highly doubt that. Oh yeah, maybe because someone from ArenaNet said that they prefer to go to conventions for the fans.
I think it's actually more about respect, at least the way ArenaNet has always explained it to us it is. See, E3 is purely a press/media thing, now, and nothing more. It's for shiny, special super-important gaming journalists (most of whom couldn't write to save their life anyway and have no journalistic integrity to speak of, so why they deserve to be called journalists is beyond me). It's basically about putting on ad campaigns and handing out free stuff to press people. It's a lot of money, it comes off as buying favours, and really, it's not for everyday people.
ArenaNet has just expressed that they have no desire in getting involved with that, they'd rather sidestep the whole journalism slant and put the game in front of the people who actually play games (and probably can write worth a damn despite not being journalists). That'd be you and I. It's not restricted to press people who have to be part of an organisation to get a first hand sneak peek at things, no, instead if you buy a ticket then you've just as much chance of seeing and playing the game as any other person, press or not. And I don't know about you but I prefer that.
E3 tends to be nothing but loud trailers and money anyway. Even when it wasn't what it is now, it was about booth babes for crying out loud. The E3 has never been something that I've thought highly of or looked forward to, and often when it rolls around it just results in oh, gee, more computer-generated trailers with no gameplay footage to speak of. And this E3 hasn't been any different to any other E3 since the dawn of E3s. Bioware was there, and they showed off TOR, sure, but was it gameplay they showed? Was it anything related to their game at all?
Noap, Bioware had a bunch of new computer-generated trailers designed to get the press talking about their game.
You know, that approach makes me think that they have something to hide, it's decidedly sleazy. ArenaNet is turning up at conventions where we can meet these people and actually play their game in demo form, we can see it for all its beauty and even its flaws (which they have time to work on fixin thanks to doing this), they're honest and up front with us, and they give us actual first-hand access instead of just yet more bloody computer-generated trailers.
One thing was said on a gaming news site I visit recently that I agree with. Bioware should just stop making TOR and get their trailer-making people to do a new series of Star Wars films instead. Why? The only sizeable amount of gameplay footage they've released was so heavily slanted toward monotonous, repetitive WoW-like grinding that it actually managed to put some people to sleep when watching it, but opposed to that their computer-generated trailers have actually been mildly entertaining. And those trailers have actually had some pretty decent quality voice-acting (unlike the game itself)! It just seems like Bioware are pouring most of their game's money into advertising rather than bettering their game.
However, ArenaNet don't feel that they need to sleaze and shmuck like that to promote their game. They don't need big budget minimovies, they just show us their game, they let us play their game, and they let us talk to them about their game. Compared with the Bioware approach infinite trailers, which would you prefer?
ArenaNet skips E3 for the same reason that Bioware doesn't. And it's a very good reason, too.
ArenaNet actually has a game worth showing off.
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I like the fact that Anet actually want's to be close to the fan so that they can actually be able to play the demo. Never really liked E3 to be honest.
Easy, PR.In other words, maybe the event doesn't play to ArenaNets strengths.
Just because their not having a pissing contest like Sony and EA (or is it Madeux and Romanator) doesn't mean that they cant accomplish what they set out to do.
You must have missed the 45 min demo for Tatoonie they showed...at E3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gez-ciArjQ part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7YyRUVZxQA part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGjSGfx7lA4&feature=related part 3
I still think that wanting to only go to shows that fans go to is a line that used because they can't.
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Yep yep. Games journalists go to E3 to see trailers put out by developers whose games either aren't interesting enough or aren't complete enough to be played. People go to conventions to actually play games. This is why the games that are actually worth seeing will never, ever be at E3. This has always been true for as long as I can remember, and I remember the first E3 (when it was all booth babes, before it went all press only), and it continues to be true to this day.
They played that themselves though, didn't they, as opposed to letting fans play it. You'll note that I mentioned 90 minutes of footage in my post. Herpa-friggin'-derp. Reading comprehension for the win, eh? That's hardly putting the game in front of the fans for them to play, now is it? Next time, try reading.
(The important thing to keep in mind here is, and I shall stress this, that E3 is PRESS ONLY so there's absolutely no chance of letting people play their game in a public venue, where it can be talked about. Bioware are apparently afraid of going to cons, and keep their game at E3, behind closed doors, where they can control how it's played.)
Didn't see the edit all the way at the end...apologies...still doesn't change my stance on why Anet isn't there. Even if so. going to E3 doesn't in anyway make your fans be able to play the game any less.
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It wasn't in the edit. Read the entire post. I mentioned it in the body of the post.
Please, please, please don't reply if you're going to essentially TL;DR me.
(Really. Search the post for '90,' it's in there. x_x I hate debating with TOR fans, they don't do reading well. :P)
No, it doesn't. But why would ArenaNet spend a very large amount of money to go to a trade show where they can't let the fans play their game? Kinda defeats the purpose, don't you think.
What romantar0 said.
If you're not letting fans actually play the game, then anything else is worthless. Controlled footage? Trailers? It smacks of being too afraid to let people play and talk about your game. ArenaNet go to cons because they don't want to hide shit from people, they want to be completely open, open about what makes the game great, and even open about the game's flaws so that they can fix them.
E3 is a PRESS ONLY event, so you're only going to get press there. It's not an event where Bioware can connect with the fans. Bioware hide from their fans. At least ArenaNet has the guts to come to us, instead of going to the press.
Well their stance has always been because E3 is not a hands on experience for fans so they don't go. Which ofcourse is true BUT what they don't realize is that the media are gamers too, not to mention millions from around the world watch E3 which ofcourse is a great way to market your game obviously. There are just so many pluses in going to E3 rather than not going. This is why ArenaNet will always be #2 because they never go all the way. They are content with going to the shows that are convient for them. The only reason they went to Pax East was because they did not have a booth which costs more money. I bet if they had to have a booth they would not have gone.
Well i for one enjoy watching video clips uploaded onto Youtube from fans being able to play the game. Wish i could goto one of them... They would have to drag me off that PC.
Sorry but this is the stupidist comment I have ever read. The only person that would say this now days is someone that only plays a few nintendo games and lives under a rock. Videogames started out for kids, but then those kids grew up and the industry grew up with it.