Do you actuall play SWG? I am guessing not, as you are completely clueless.
[1] I only said people feared it woulld go through another change because that is all I read on these forums. Guess I must have inagined it then
[2] Looking at the majority of the reviews on Amazon give it one star, and are all mainly given between 2005-2006 when the game was bad. People see that and would steer clear especialloy with a fee. Guess we all forgot that, and to do reviews to counter them all.
SWG players have always been quite loud, and any polls pop up can get SWG to the top.
This time every player will affected when SWG closes, not just a handful, whereas the others just accepted the NGE and moved on or didn't want to burn the bridge.. Everyone will have a reason to bash TOR for Lucasarts decision after SWG closes
Yes SWG was destined to close, but now is not the time. THis puts me off playing any MMO now, if LA can get away with this.
[3] Imagine if another company decides to release a new MMO similar to the one you are playing, and then they decide to close it when the game is still thriving and loads of people are enjoying it
SWG needs to be saved, to show that thiese companies can not get away with dictating how we play our games. It is obvious they are cancelling it because of TOR. LA are the ones who wanted to cancel the game, there is no evidence to suppot SOE was all for this. The contract ends well into 2012 not end of 2011
[4] Anyone not willing to sign this, are against fellow players, and are with these companies. Both SOE and LA will survive no problem without SWG, as they want this.
If there really is not anything they can do, then no matter the number of those sigs wil change their mind, if they have no money for it, and you will have your wish, but if they do change their mind because of it, then they are only doing it for the benefit of themselves and not us players, and will do anything they like to their games, including being frree to screw up a game you are fond of, and that may be TOR. If LA does not screw up TOR then SWG players will with their anger
So, by not signing the petition, you are only hurting the players including yourself, and not SOE or LA
[1]
Tens of millions of gamers have joined the mmo genre since the NGE went live. I can assure you that most of them have not read or posted here about SWG changing, fear it changing or even know the history of SWG changing. Every single day there were people in the trial area of the game. Those were new players who were trying the despite anything they might have read. Looking at the constant population decline it is clear they left for their own reasons.
[2]
Looking at the majority of reviews for Cataclsym and you see 1 and 2 star reviews filling the first pages. Looking at any poll or topic around here that mentions wow and you would think it was created by baby-killers. All the vocal criticizing of WoW doesn't seem to have stunted its growth during the same 6 years that SWG had been declining.
[3]
SWG isn't thriving. You seem very misinformed about that and perhaps that is why you don't understand why the game is closing. SWG just closed half of their game servers not to long ago and it is getting ready to close servers again. SWTOR has not even launched yet and the game is dropping like crazy. The fact is that SWG isn't a viable product anymore. It does not justify the costs of licensing and operation. That is the simple truth.
[4]
I think you are letting your emotional attactment to the game cloud your objectivity. I do feel bad for the folks who are losing their game. Just seeing some of the recent farewell posts with screenshots reminds me of how much I once enjoyed the game (no I am not someone who was driven away by the NGE).
However that does not change the reality of the situation being that SWG has been at the end of its life cycle for a very long time.
You should be thanking Lucas Arts and SOE for even running the game for so long past its expiration dates, because almost any other game company would have pulled the plug on this game years ago.
LOL this game should of died years ago they never listened to thier customers then what makes you think they will listen now, they killed this game years ago and lost so many people it doesnt deserve to be saved IMO.
Tens of millions of gamers have joined the mmo genre since the NGE went live. I can assure you that most of them have not read or posted here about SWG changing, fear it changing or even know the history of SWG changing. Every single day there were people in the trial area of the game. Those were new players who were trying the despite anything they might have read. Looking at the constant population decline it is clear they left for their own reasons.
[2]
Looking at the majority of reviews for Cataclsym and you see 1 and 2 star reviews filling the first pages. Looking at any poll or topic around here that mentions wow and you would think it was created by baby-killers. All the vocal criticizing of WoW doesn't seem to have stunted its growth during the same 6 years that SWG had been declining.
[3]
SWG isn't thriving. You seem very misinformed about that and perhaps that is why you don't understand why the game is closing. SWG just closed half of their game servers not to long ago and it is getting ready to close servers again. SWTOR has not even launched yet and the game is dropping like crazy. The fact is that SWG isn't a viable product anymore. It does not justify the costs of licensing and operation. That is the simple truth.
[4]
I think you are letting your emotional attactment to the game cloud your objectivity. I do feel bad for the folks who are losing their game. Just seeing some of the recent farewell posts with screenshots reminds me of how much I once enjoyed the game (no I am not someone who was driven away by the NGE).
However that does not change the reality of the situation being that SWG has been at the end of its life cycle for a very long time.
You should be thanking Lucas Arts and SOE for even running the game for so long past its expiration dates, because almost any other game company would have pulled the plug on this game years ago.
The GCW gets revamped every other year. SOE spent minimal effort to support the game and most likely they are contractually obligated to do so. Still most of that support the last few years has been spent on the virtual loot card money grab. SOE gave up on SWG ever being a viable product again a long time ago.
As for Lucas Arts forcing the game to close, where do you get that from? Lucas Arts can't force SOE to resign the deal and force them to operate a game that is dead. They cannot force SOE to pay the licenising fee. Just like they can't force SOE to do the NGE. Give credit where credit is due. Would you spend a bucket of money to license this game, support it for years and compete with SWTOR just to placate a few hundred players?
People didn't avoid SWG, because they feared it would go through yet another major change. They avoided it, because it was a poorly made game in a market filled with better alternatives. Each successive massive change (and series of minor changes) have made the game worse and worse with few bright spots in between. It just isn't a quality game.
If SWG was a better game more people would play it regardless of what some angry former players say and Smed would be announcing a contract extension. That isn't the case so they are closing the game.
Do you actuall play SWG? I am guessing not, as you are completely clueless.
I only said people feared it woulld go through another change because that is all I read on these forums. Guess I must have inagined it then
Looking at the majority of the reviews on Amazon give it one star, and are all mainly given between 2005-2006 when the game was bad. People see that and would steer clear especialloy with a fee. Guess we all forgot that, and to do reviews to counter them all.
SWG players have always been quite loud, and any polls pop up can get SWG to the top.
This time every player will affected when SWG closes, not just a handful, whereas the others just accepted the NGE and moved on or didn't want to burn the bridge.. Everyone will have a reason to bash TOR for Lucasarts decision after SWG closes
Yes SWG was destined to close, but now is not the time. THis puts me off playing any MMO now, if LA can get away with this.
Imagine if another company decides to release a new MMO similar to the one you are playing, and then they decide to close it when the game is still thriving and loads of people are enjoying it
SWG needs to be saved, to show that thiese companies can not get away with dictating how we play our games. It is obvious they are cancelling it because of TOR. LA are the ones who wanted to cancel the game, there is no evidence to suppot SOE was all for this. The contract ends well into 2012 not end of 2011
Anyone not willing to sign this, are against fellow players, and are with these companies. Both SOE and LA will survive no problem without SWG, as they want this.
If there really is not anything they can do, then no matter the number of those sigs wil change their mind, if they have no money for it, and you will have your wish, but if they do change their mind because of it, then they are only doing it for the benefit of themselves and not us players, and will do anything they like to their games, including being frree to screw up a game you are fond of, and that may be TOR. If LA does not screw up TOR then SWG players will with their anger
So, by not signing the petition, you are only hurting the players including yourself, and not SOE or LA
Hello you don't speak for me, and I am played SWG from the get go. Let me say this and say it once. The NGE killed the game for me. The cu I lived through it and tolerated it.
But to put all that BS in your post on how this was going to make me bash LA and Bio-ware for making TOR is laughable at best. I mean gosh you really thing all of us swg vets want to save this game, I THINK NOT!!!
I am not going to sign the petition. I remember back when the NGE hit all the petitions and all to reverse it, and here you are again going zomg we got to stop this, and all I got to say is not this time.
Hey it is their company and their software, they can do with it as they like.
If you are not playing SWG then I am not on about you, I do not expect swg vets to bash TOR, but would hope that you would support your fellow innocent players to not have to go through the same thing as you did with the NGE. The way this is going down is in efffect forcing people to switch from the NGE to SWTOR even if they do not want to play SWTOR, just like you did when they forced the NGE on you. It is worse this time as people lose everything - characters, items, the whole lot
I doubt everyone playing SWG now will bas TOR either, but there are still loads of people enjoying the game for what it is, and you are now screwing them all, innocent players, and supportng the companies who brought the NGE and the like, because thay can do what they like.
So you are OK about them doing whatever they like with TOR on any other game in the future? You want another NGE? If SWG is not saved then that will happen again tto another game you love.
Do you actuall play SWG? I am guessing not, as you are completely clueless.
[1] I only said people feared it woulld go through another change because that is all I read on these forums. Guess I must have inagined it then
[2] Looking at the majority of the reviews on Amazon give it one star, and are all mainly given between 2005-2006 when the game was bad. People see that and would steer clear especialloy with a fee. Guess we all forgot that, and to do reviews to counter them all.
SWG players have always been quite loud, and any polls pop up can get SWG to the top.
This time every player will affected when SWG closes, not just a handful, whereas the others just accepted the NGE and moved on or didn't want to burn the bridge.. Everyone will have a reason to bash TOR for Lucasarts decision after SWG closes
Yes SWG was destined to close, but now is not the time. THis puts me off playing any MMO now, if LA can get away with this.
[3] Imagine if another company decides to release a new MMO similar to the one you are playing, and then they decide to close it when the game is still thriving and loads of people are enjoying it
SWG needs to be saved, to show that thiese companies can not get away with dictating how we play our games. It is obvious they are cancelling it because of TOR. LA are the ones who wanted to cancel the game, there is no evidence to suppot SOE was all for this. The contract ends well into 2012 not end of 2011
[4] Anyone not willing to sign this, are against fellow players, and are with these companies. Both SOE and LA will survive no problem without SWG, as they want this.
If there really is not anything they can do, then no matter the number of those sigs wil change their mind, if they have no money for it, and you will have your wish, but if they do change their mind because of it, then they are only doing it for the benefit of themselves and not us players, and will do anything they like to their games, including being frree to screw up a game you are fond of, and that may be TOR. If LA does not screw up TOR then SWG players will with their anger
So, by not signing the petition, you are only hurting the players including yourself, and not SOE or LA
[1]
Tens of millions of gamers have joined the mmo genre since the NGE went live. I can assure you that most of them have not read or posted here about SWG changing, fear it changing or even know the history of SWG changing. Every single day there were people in the trial area of the game. Those were new players who were trying the despite anything they might have read. Looking at the constant population decline it is clear they left for their own reasons.
[2]
Looking at the majority of reviews for Cataclsym and you see 1 and 2 star reviews filling the first pages. Looking at any poll or topic around here that mentions wow and you would think it was created by baby-killers. All the vocal criticizing of WoW doesn't seem to have stunted its growth during the same 6 years that SWG had been declining.
[3]
SWG isn't thriving. You seem very misinformed about that and perhaps that is why you don't understand why the game is closing. SWG just closed half of their game servers not to long ago and it is getting ready to close servers again. SWTOR has not even launched yet and the game is dropping like crazy. The fact is that SWG isn't a viable product anymore. It does not justify the costs of licensing and operation. That is the simple truth.
[4]
I think you are letting your emotional attactment to the game cloud your objectivity. I do feel bad for the folks who are losing their game. Just seeing some of the recent farewell posts with screenshots reminds me of how much I once enjoyed the game (no I am not someone who was driven away by the NGE).
However that does not change the reality of the situation being that SWG has been at the end of its life cycle for a very long time.
You should be thanking Lucas Arts and SOE for even running the game for so long past its expiration dates, because almost any other game company would have pulled the plug on this game years ago.
SOE would not have pulled the plug on this game years ago. Matrix (when it was alive) and Vanguard TOGETHER are more dead than SWG
SOE would not have pulled the plug on this game years ago. Matrix (when it was alive) and Vanguard TOGETHER are more dead than SWG
That is why I said "any other game company would have pulled the plug on this game years ago", not SOE.
SOE tends to run games long past it is healthy to do so, such as The Matrix, Vanguard and SWG. SWG players should be happy SOE let the game run this long, because most companies would not have.
Just to clarify things, I have expected SWG to close for ages myself, but what I can not accept is the timing of it. Current players are peeved with early closure, and it adds more resentemt to TOR
They could have easily put a bit more effort into it and made it last one more year, then people would have willingly trabsfrerred to SWTOR from SWG as I would have done.
I have literally hundreds of SWG accounts, and I am going to spend as much money reactivating as many as I can, and will be using the money I have saved up for SWTOR (a new PC to play it on, Lifetime subscription, multiple copies of the game), but now all that money will be going to SOE instead
The difference is I do not care about SWTOR, but I do care about SWG, and want to play it as much as I can before it goes poff. I have already put in over 100 hours into the game this week alone.
If SWG got shut down next year, then I would have gone to SWTOR, got stuck into that, and probably would no longer care for SWG to go making myslef go broke over. (No money left for fun things, but still have money for bills)
There will be plenty of time to play SWTOR but there is not for SWG.
SOE would not have pulled the plug on this game years ago. Matrix (when it was alive) and Vanguard TOGETHER are more dead than SWG
That is why I said "any other game company would have pulled the plug on this game years ago", not SOE.
SOE tends to run games long past it is healthy to do so, such as The Matrix, Vanguard and SWG. SWG players should be happy SOE let the game run this long, because most companies would not have.
SWG is nowhere as dead as the Matrix or Vanguard, but it may be after SWTOR is released, and I doubt any company would have closed SWG under its current population levels
SWG is nowhere as dead as the Matrix or Vanguard, but it may be after SWTOR is released, and I doubt any company would have closed SWG under its current population levels
The matrix online closed down years ago.
SOE doesn't have to pay a licensing fee for Vanguard and it has no developers. There is litteraly almost no overhead to run the game. Even if only 1,000 people play the game that is almost $180,000 is profit in return for SOE doing nothing.
SWG has a very expensive licensing fee. It requires live developement staff to support the game. Furthermore it has required additional developers to create and support the trading card microtransaction system.
SOE can't just "run the game for another year" out of the goodness of their hearts. It has been a dead game for years now and people should be thankful it has ran as long as it has.
Just to clarify things, I have expected SWG to close for ages myself, but what I can not accept is the timing of it. Current players are peeved with early closure, and it adds more resentemt to TOR
They could have easily put a bit more effort into it and made it last one more year, then people would have willingly trabsfrerred to SWTOR from SWG as I would have done.
I have literally hundreds of SWG accounts, and I am going to spend as much money reactivating as many as I can, and will be using the money I have saved up for SWTOR (a new PC to play it on, Lifetime subscription, multiple copies of the game), but now all that money will be going to SOE instead
The difference is I do not care about SWTOR, but I do care about SWG, and want to play it as much as I can before it goes poff. I have already put in over 100 hours into the game this week alone.
If SWG got shut down next year, then I would have gone to SWTOR, got stuck into that, and probably would no longer care for SWG to go making myslef go broke over. (No money left for fun things, but still have money for bills)
There will be plenty of time to play SWTOR but there is not for SWG.
You have expected the game to close for a long time now, but now that it is closing you are upset. Really the game running for much longer than you expected has you upset to the point you are going to needlessly waste your money in some protest that will go unnoticed to the people you are upset at?
If the game closed down 2 years ago would you be happier? Would you still have bought SWTOR and not felt that Lucas Art is somehow screwing you over?
SWG has run for more years than it has deserved to and like I said, you should be thankful for that.
Just to clarify things, I have expected SWG to close for ages myself, but what I can not accept is the timing of it. Current players are peeved with early closure, and it adds more resentemt to TOR
They could have easily put a bit more effort into it and made it last one more year, then people would have willingly trabsfrerred to SWTOR from SWG as I would have done.
I have literally hundreds of SWG accounts, and I am going to spend as much money reactivating as many as I can, and will be using the money I have saved up for SWTOR (a new PC to play it on, Lifetime subscription, multiple copies of the game), but now all that money will be going to SOE instead
The difference is I do not care about SWTOR, but I do care about SWG, and want to play it as much as I can before it goes poff. I have already put in over 100 hours into the game this week alone.
If SWG got shut down next year, then I would have gone to SWTOR, got stuck into that, and probably would no longer care for SWG to go making myslef go broke over. (No money left for fun things, but still have money for bills)
There will be plenty of time to play SWTOR but there is not for SWG.
You've been expecting SWG to close for years . . .
You are mad that it is closing early . . .
It is closing with 6 months advance notice.
I am just not sure what your point is. Your premise contradicts itself.
Hundreds of accounts (Station Pass?) would be more money than the cost of new high-end gaming computer, multiple box copies of SWTOR and lifetime subs (if and when offered) on all of them. /ragequit much?
Just to clarify things, I have expected SWG to close for ages myself, but what I can not accept is the timing of it. Current players are peeved with early closure, and it adds more resentemt to TOR
They could have easily put a bit more effort into it and made it last one more year, then people would have willingly trabsfrerred to SWTOR from SWG as I would have done.
I have literally hundreds of SWG accounts, and I am going to spend as much money reactivating as many as I can, and will be using the money I have saved up for SWTOR (a new PC to play it on, Lifetime subscription, multiple copies of the game), but now all that money will be going to SOE instead
The difference is I do not care about SWTOR, but I do care about SWG, and want to play it as much as I can before it goes poff. I have already put in over 100 hours into the game this week alone.
If SWG got shut down next year, then I would have gone to SWTOR, got stuck into that, and probably would no longer care for SWG to go making myslef go broke over. (No money left for fun things, but still have money for bills)
There will be plenty of time to play SWTOR but there is not for SWG.
You have expected the game to close for a long time now, but now that it is closing you are upset. Really the game running for much longer than you expected has you upset to the point you are going to needlessly waste your money in some protest that will go unnoticed to the people you are upset at?
If the game closed down 2 years ago would you be happier? Would you still have bought SWTOR and not felt that Lucas Art is somehow screwing you over?
SWG has run for more years than it has deserved to and like I said, you should be thankful for that.
This logic completely evades me. Hell if you want to protest anything I have done I will gladly take your money as well.
I disagree with the point that it will go unnoticed though. Im sure someone in billing is going to laugh their ass off.
SWG is nowhere as dead as the Matrix or Vanguard, but it may be after SWTOR is released, and I doubt any company would have closed SWG under its current population levels
The matrix online closed down years ago.
SOE doesn't have to pay a licensing fee for Vanguard and it has no developers. There is litteraly almost no overhead to run the game. Even if only 1,000 people play the game that is almost $180,000 is profit.
SWG has a very expensive licensing fee. It requires live developement staff to support the game. Furthermore it has required additional developers to create and support the trading card microtransaction system.
SOE can't just "run the game for another year" out of the goodness of their hearts. It has been a dead game for years now and people should be thankful it has ran as long as it has.
There may be a license for SWG, but it does not end at the end of Dec 2011, so SOE is losing out from the remaining time of the contract purchased in 2011
If they ran it for another year it would not be "out of the goodness of their hearts". It is being closed because they reckon they can maximise the profits from one game, and think everyone who is playing SWG will just switch to SWTOR. They are going to be sadly mistake, as not everyone is in favour of TOR and even those who were are now not after this.
EA is probably behind this too, as when faced with competion from a rival football team, threatening their profits, they went out and got exclusive rights to make licensed NFL games, ending the competition. What with that and the amount of money going into TOR I would not put it past them and LA to buy out SOE to end the contract early.
At the end of the day, SWG had enough life left in to carry on. The fact you think it is dead is wishful thinking
Just to clarify things, I have expected SWG to close for ages myself, but what I can not accept is the timing of it. Current players are peeved with early closure, and it adds more resentemt to TOR
They could have easily put a bit more effort into it and made it last one more year, then people would have willingly trabsfrerred to SWTOR from SWG as I would have done.
I have literally hundreds of SWG accounts, and I am going to spend as much money reactivating as many as I can, and will be using the money I have saved up for SWTOR (a new PC to play it on, Lifetime subscription, multiple copies of the game), but now all that money will be going to SOE instead
The difference is I do not care about SWTOR, but I do care about SWG, and want to play it as much as I can before it goes poff. I have already put in over 100 hours into the game this week alone.
If SWG got shut down next year, then I would have gone to SWTOR, got stuck into that, and probably would no longer care for SWG to go making myslef go broke over. (No money left for fun things, but still have money for bills)
There will be plenty of time to play SWTOR but there is not for SWG.
You have expected the game to close for a long time now, but now that it is closing you are upset. Really the game running for much longer than you expected has you upset to the point you are going to needlessly waste your money in some protest that will go unnoticed to the people you are upset at?
If the game closed down 2 years ago would you be happier? Would you still have bought SWTOR and not felt that Lucas Art is somehow screwing you over?
SWG has run for more years than it has deserved to and like I said, you should be thankful for that.
Just to clarify further - I expected SWG to close when populations were gone, but populations stayed high. They will hardly close game when servers are full
Before the closure annoucement there was 4 Heavy Full servers, and locked to trransfers in.
Some dodgy business dealings are afoot here with SWGs closing
Just to clarify things, I have expected SWG to close for ages myself, but what I can not accept is the timing of it. Current players are peeved with early closure, and it adds more resentemt to TOR
They could have easily put a bit more effort into it and made it last one more year, then people would have willingly trabsfrerred to SWTOR from SWG as I would have done.
I have literally hundreds of SWG accounts, and I am going to spend as much money reactivating as many as I can, and will be using the money I have saved up for SWTOR (a new PC to play it on, Lifetime subscription, multiple copies of the game), but now all that money will be going to SOE instead
The difference is I do not care about SWTOR, but I do care about SWG, and want to play it as much as I can before it goes poff. I have already put in over 100 hours into the game this week alone.
If SWG got shut down next year, then I would have gone to SWTOR, got stuck into that, and probably would no longer care for SWG to go making myslef go broke over. (No money left for fun things, but still have money for bills)
There will be plenty of time to play SWTOR but there is not for SWG.
You have expected the game to close for a long time now, but now that it is closing you are upset. Really the game running for much longer than you expected has you upset to the point you are going to needlessly waste your money in some protest that will go unnoticed to the people you are upset at?
If the game closed down 2 years ago would you be happier? Would you still have bought SWTOR and not felt that Lucas Art is somehow screwing you over?
SWG has run for more years than it has deserved to and like I said, you should be thankful for that.
This logic completely evades me. Hell if you want to protest anything I have done I will gladly take your money as well.
I disagree with the point that it will go unnoticed though. Im sure someone in billing is going to laugh their ass off.
I am not wasting the money in some protest, I am going to be spending the money to enjoy the game one last time, as won't be spending any of the money again once it closes. I generally have 4 accounts constantlt subscribed and then rota them, subbing 10 accounts per month. This will be the first and last time I will get them all on at the one time
I am not wasting the money in some protest, I am going to be spending the money to enjoy the game one last time, as won't be spending any of the money again once it closes. I generally have 4 accounts constantlt subscribed and then rota them, subbing 10 accounts per month. This will be the first and last time I will get them all on at the one time
I don't know what to say... At first when you mentioned "hundreds of SWG accounts" I was thinking of some cool jokes or one-liners.
At least you got me quiet in this thread.
Edit: I will sign a petition for SOE to fly you to Fan Fair for free, with all inclusive.
There may be a license for SWG, but it does not end at the end of Dec 2011, so SOE is losing out from the remaining time of the contract purchased in 2011
If they ran it for another year it would not be "out of the goodness of their hearts". It is being closed because they reckon they can maximise the profits from one game, and think everyone who is playing SWG will just switch to SWTOR. They are going to be sadly mistake, as not everyone is in favour of TOR and even those who were are now not after this.
EA is probably behind this too, as when faced with competion from a rival football team, threatening their profits, they went out and got exclusive rights to make licensed NFL games, ending the competition. What with that and the amount of money going into TOR I would not put it past them and LA to buy out SOE to end the contract early.
At the end of the day, SWG had enough life left in to carry on. The fact you think it is dead is wishful thinking
So you say the contract doesn't expire in dec of 2011, but they are closing the game to maximize profits. You also say the populations are "healthy".
So what incentive would there be for SOE to allow Lucas Arts to break the contract, lose all that subscription revenue? So that bioware and lucas arts can make more money? Is that what you think SOE did?
Then you say EA was behind this. Please tell me how EA/LucasArts can sign a contract years later that would somehow nullify the contract already in place with SOE. EA can't just hold their breath to get what they want and somehow the contract with SOE goes away. It doesn't work like that.
Honestly you have posted so much information that is pure nonsense and randomly grabbed theories that they no longer make any sense. I understand that you are very passionate about the game closing, but your passion has you completely blinded from any form of logic.
I will not be getting as many accounts for TOR, only 1 or 2, and that is again not out of protest, but hopefully they will allow more character slots per server. I have 34 slots in LOTRO, across 2 accounts, and this the equivalent of 17 accounts in SWG.
and the people on there have come up with better reasons about the shutdown than anyone on here, who are 100% anti-SOE/NGE SWG, making the converstaions here not work
I give up, starting to get tired and posting hatistly now hence it is all now not making sense, back to the official forujms where mostly evryone agrees with me
Just to clarify things, I have expected SWG to close for ages myself, but what I can not accept is the timing of it. Current players are peeved with early closure, and it adds more resentemt to TOR
They could have easily put a bit more effort into it and made it last one more year, then people would have willingly trabsfrerred to SWTOR from SWG as I would have done.
I have literally hundreds of SWG accounts, and I am going to spend as much money reactivating as many as I can, and will be using the money I have saved up for SWTOR (a new PC to play it on, Lifetime subscription, multiple copies of the game), but now all that money will be going to SOE instead
The difference is I do not care about SWTOR, but I do care about SWG, and want to play it as much as I can before it goes poff. I have already put in over 100 hours into the game this week alone.
If SWG got shut down next year, then I would have gone to SWTOR, got stuck into that, and probably would no longer care for SWG to go making myslef go broke over. (No money left for fun things, but still have money for bills)
There will be plenty of time to play SWTOR but there is not for SWG.
You have expected the game to close for a long time now, but now that it is closing you are upset. Really the game running for much longer than you expected has you upset to the point you are going to needlessly waste your money in some protest that will go unnoticed to the people you are upset at?
If the game closed down 2 years ago would you be happier? Would you still have bought SWTOR and not felt that Lucas Art is somehow screwing you over?
SWG has run for more years than it has deserved to and like I said, you should be thankful for that.
This logic completely evades me. Hell if you want to protest anything I have done I will gladly take your money as well.
I disagree with the point that it will go unnoticed though. Im sure someone in billing is going to laugh their ass off.
I am not wasting the money in some protest, I am going to be spending the money to enjoy the game one last time, as won't be spending any of the money again once it closes. I generally have 4 accounts constantlt subscribed and then rota them, subbing 10 accounts per month. This will be the first and last time I will get them all on at the one time
So you are not going to buy SWTOR and instead give all the money you had saved up for SWTOR to SWG instead. Somehow this will be bad for lucas arts?
Instead of buying SWTOR and Bioware splitting that money with Lucas Arts, you are buying more SWG so that SOE can split that money with Lucas Arts.
In the end Lucas Arts still gets about the same amount of money from you and all you have is more accounts that die in 6 months. Instead of having a new computer, several accounts to an mmo that is still operational and Lucas Arts is none the wiser to your protest.
all 100 remaining players of the NGE will sign the petition and SOE will reconsider?
i think not.
They cant even get that many there was something like 50 that joined some sort of law suit to block the close of the game I wonder how that is working.
I'm in..But only if we could find another company re-launch the orginal game. SOE is broke they can't afford to pay the cleaning help i think. Plus smed is well you know man.
I think a lot of people are over thinking this whole situation. I know people are passionite and all, but some common sense on this matter would make things easier. All these different theories and petitions will not make what's gonna happen not happen. when you sit back and look at the facts, this was inevitable and if you are still playing the game, you should feel lucky you were able to do so for this long of a time.
Even though the game had a somewhat very small community, it was still enough to maintain some devs. I think it just came down to the contract between the two parties involved. Kinda like the lease aggreement on a rental property. The lessor, that being LA's, either wanted more per month or yr. or wanted to dissolve the agreement all togeither. The lesse, that being SOE, either wanted to continue with the same price, or didn't want to pay more.
Since SWG is gonna shut down, it seems like a compromise couldn't be reached between the two parties and they decided to end their involment on this amicably, since they still have a working contract with the Clone Wars game.
Now some would say that LA's may have had a bitter taste in thier mouth for aggreeing to the changes that we all know to be the NGE. Now before i get blasted, I am a firm believer that when the changes came down, LA's trusted SOE in their decision and their MMORPG veteran statis to make the game better. SOE were the guru's, LA's never had and still to this day, made an online game, so, the systems that were changed, were made by SOE, not LA's.
You can't really blame LA's for wanting a SW product to be the best and uphold an IP that has garnered billions of dollars for over 30 yrs. With that being said, i left and said goodbye to my toon a long time ago, so if i was still playing i would enjoy the little time i had left.
The whole concept of "resentment toward TOR" is utterly ludicrous. SWG was dead even with the free 45 days for all, and when those run out, the populations on all but about three servers are going to be infinitesimal. You can say all you want about how population levels are healthy and the game is viable and sustainable, but it's really not.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
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Sorry to say this mate but I don't think it's going to help. They made up their mind that's it. It's final.
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Tens of millions of gamers have joined the mmo genre since the NGE went live. I can assure you that most of them have not read or posted here about SWG changing, fear it changing or even know the history of SWG changing. Every single day there were people in the trial area of the game. Those were new players who were trying the despite anything they might have read. Looking at the constant population decline it is clear they left for their own reasons.
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Looking at the majority of reviews for Cataclsym and you see 1 and 2 star reviews filling the first pages. Looking at any poll or topic around here that mentions wow and you would think it was created by baby-killers. All the vocal criticizing of WoW doesn't seem to have stunted its growth during the same 6 years that SWG had been declining.
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SWG isn't thriving. You seem very misinformed about that and perhaps that is why you don't understand why the game is closing. SWG just closed half of their game servers not to long ago and it is getting ready to close servers again. SWTOR has not even launched yet and the game is dropping like crazy. The fact is that SWG isn't a viable product anymore. It does not justify the costs of licensing and operation. That is the simple truth.
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I think you are letting your emotional attactment to the game cloud your objectivity. I do feel bad for the folks who are losing their game. Just seeing some of the recent farewell posts with screenshots reminds me of how much I once enjoyed the game (no I am not someone who was driven away by the NGE).
However that does not change the reality of the situation being that SWG has been at the end of its life cycle for a very long time.
You should be thanking Lucas Arts and SOE for even running the game for so long past its expiration dates, because almost any other game company would have pulled the plug on this game years ago.
LOL this game should of died years ago they never listened to thier customers then what makes you think they will listen now, they killed this game years ago and lost so many people it doesnt deserve to be saved IMO.
Good post mate
If you are not playing SWG then I am not on about you, I do not expect swg vets to bash TOR, but would hope that you would support your fellow innocent players to not have to go through the same thing as you did with the NGE. The way this is going down is in efffect forcing people to switch from the NGE to SWTOR even if they do not want to play SWTOR, just like you did when they forced the NGE on you. It is worse this time as people lose everything - characters, items, the whole lot
I doubt everyone playing SWG now will bas TOR either, but there are still loads of people enjoying the game for what it is, and you are now screwing them all, innocent players, and supportng the companies who brought the NGE and the like, because thay can do what they like.
So you are OK about them doing whatever they like with TOR on any other game in the future? You want another NGE? If SWG is not saved then that will happen again tto another game you love.
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SOE would not have pulled the plug on this game years ago. Matrix (when it was alive) and Vanguard TOGETHER are more dead than SWG
SWG is more active than you give it credit for
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That is why I said "any other game company would have pulled the plug on this game years ago", not SOE.
SOE tends to run games long past it is healthy to do so, such as The Matrix, Vanguard and SWG. SWG players should be happy SOE let the game run this long, because most companies would not have.
Just to clarify things, I have expected SWG to close for ages myself, but what I can not accept is the timing of it. Current players are peeved with early closure, and it adds more resentemt to TOR
They could have easily put a bit more effort into it and made it last one more year, then people would have willingly trabsfrerred to SWTOR from SWG as I would have done.
I have literally hundreds of SWG accounts, and I am going to spend as much money reactivating as many as I can, and will be using the money I have saved up for SWTOR (a new PC to play it on, Lifetime subscription, multiple copies of the game), but now all that money will be going to SOE instead
The difference is I do not care about SWTOR, but I do care about SWG, and want to play it as much as I can before it goes poff. I have already put in over 100 hours into the game this week alone.
If SWG got shut down next year, then I would have gone to SWTOR, got stuck into that, and probably would no longer care for SWG to go making myslef go broke over. (No money left for fun things, but still have money for bills)
There will be plenty of time to play SWTOR but there is not for SWG.
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SWG is nowhere as dead as the Matrix or Vanguard, but it may be after SWTOR is released, and I doubt any company would have closed SWG under its current population levels
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The matrix online closed down years ago.
SOE doesn't have to pay a licensing fee for Vanguard and it has no developers. There is litteraly almost no overhead to run the game. Even if only 1,000 people play the game that is almost $180,000 is profit in return for SOE doing nothing.
SWG has a very expensive licensing fee. It requires live developement staff to support the game. Furthermore it has required additional developers to create and support the trading card microtransaction system.
SOE can't just "run the game for another year" out of the goodness of their hearts. It has been a dead game for years now and people should be thankful it has ran as long as it has.
You have expected the game to close for a long time now, but now that it is closing you are upset. Really the game running for much longer than you expected has you upset to the point you are going to needlessly waste your money in some protest that will go unnoticed to the people you are upset at?
If the game closed down 2 years ago would you be happier? Would you still have bought SWTOR and not felt that Lucas Art is somehow screwing you over?
SWG has run for more years than it has deserved to and like I said, you should be thankful for that.
You've been expecting SWG to close for years . . .
You are mad that it is closing early . . .
It is closing with 6 months advance notice.
I am just not sure what your point is. Your premise contradicts itself.
Hundreds of accounts (Station Pass?) would be more money than the cost of new high-end gaming computer, multiple box copies of SWTOR and lifetime subs (if and when offered) on all of them. /ragequit much?
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This logic completely evades me. Hell if you want to protest anything I have done I will gladly take your money as well.
I disagree with the point that it will go unnoticed though. Im sure someone in billing is going to laugh their ass off.
There may be a license for SWG, but it does not end at the end of Dec 2011, so SOE is losing out from the remaining time of the contract purchased in 2011
If they ran it for another year it would not be "out of the goodness of their hearts". It is being closed because they reckon they can maximise the profits from one game, and think everyone who is playing SWG will just switch to SWTOR. They are going to be sadly mistake, as not everyone is in favour of TOR and even those who were are now not after this.
EA is probably behind this too, as when faced with competion from a rival football team, threatening their profits, they went out and got exclusive rights to make licensed NFL games, ending the competition. What with that and the amount of money going into TOR I would not put it past them and LA to buy out SOE to end the contract early.
At the end of the day, SWG had enough life left in to carry on. The fact you think it is dead is wishful thinking
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Just to clarify further - I expected SWG to close when populations were gone, but populations stayed high. They will hardly close game when servers are full
Before the closure annoucement there was 4 Heavy Full servers, and locked to trransfers in.
Some dodgy business dealings are afoot here with SWGs closing
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I am not wasting the money in some protest, I am going to be spending the money to enjoy the game one last time, as won't be spending any of the money again once it closes. I generally have 4 accounts constantlt subscribed and then rota them, subbing 10 accounts per month. This will be the first and last time I will get them all on at the one time
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I don't know what to say... At first when you mentioned "hundreds of SWG accounts" I was thinking of some cool jokes or one-liners.
At least you got me quiet in this thread.
Edit: I will sign a petition for SOE to fly you to Fan Fair for free, with all inclusive.
So you say the contract doesn't expire in dec of 2011, but they are closing the game to maximize profits. You also say the populations are "healthy".
So what incentive would there be for SOE to allow Lucas Arts to break the contract, lose all that subscription revenue? So that bioware and lucas arts can make more money? Is that what you think SOE did?
Then you say EA was behind this. Please tell me how EA/LucasArts can sign a contract years later that would somehow nullify the contract already in place with SOE. EA can't just hold their breath to get what they want and somehow the contract with SOE goes away. It doesn't work like that.
Honestly you have posted so much information that is pure nonsense and randomly grabbed theories that they no longer make any sense. I understand that you are very passionate about the game closing, but your passion has you completely blinded from any form of logic.
I will not be getting as many accounts for TOR, only 1 or 2, and that is again not out of protest, but hopefully they will allow more character slots per server. I have 34 slots in LOTRO, across 2 accounts, and this the equivalent of 17 accounts in SWG.
SWG made it to #5 of the best MMO of 2010
http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm/loadFeature/4896/page/1
Just look around the Official SWG forums, everyone is not happy with the decision, and the bit about LA and EA I got from this thread:
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/posts/list.m?topic_id=1223926
and the people on there have come up with better reasons about the shutdown than anyone on here, who are 100% anti-SOE/NGE SWG, making the converstaions here not work
I give up, starting to get tired and posting hatistly now hence it is all now not making sense, back to the official forujms where mostly evryone agrees with me
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So you are not going to buy SWTOR and instead give all the money you had saved up for SWTOR to SWG instead. Somehow this will be bad for lucas arts?
Instead of buying SWTOR and Bioware splitting that money with Lucas Arts, you are buying more SWG so that SOE can split that money with Lucas Arts.
In the end Lucas Arts still gets about the same amount of money from you and all you have is more accounts that die in 6 months. Instead of having a new computer, several accounts to an mmo that is still operational and Lucas Arts is none the wiser to your protest.
all 100 remaining players of the NGE will sign the petition and SOE will reconsider?
i think not.
They cant even get that many there was something like 50 that joined some sort of law suit to block the close of the game I wonder how that is working.
I'm in..But only if we could find another company re-launch the orginal game. SOE is broke they can't afford to pay the cleaning help i think. Plus smed is well you know man.
Good luck and keep postive!
I think a lot of people are over thinking this whole situation. I know people are passionite and all, but some common sense on this matter would make things easier. All these different theories and petitions will not make what's gonna happen not happen. when you sit back and look at the facts, this was inevitable and if you are still playing the game, you should feel lucky you were able to do so for this long of a time.
Even though the game had a somewhat very small community, it was still enough to maintain some devs. I think it just came down to the contract between the two parties involved. Kinda like the lease aggreement on a rental property. The lessor, that being LA's, either wanted more per month or yr. or wanted to dissolve the agreement all togeither. The lesse, that being SOE, either wanted to continue with the same price, or didn't want to pay more.
Since SWG is gonna shut down, it seems like a compromise couldn't be reached between the two parties and they decided to end their involment on this amicably, since they still have a working contract with the Clone Wars game.
Now some would say that LA's may have had a bitter taste in thier mouth for aggreeing to the changes that we all know to be the NGE. Now before i get blasted, I am a firm believer that when the changes came down, LA's trusted SOE in their decision and their MMORPG veteran statis to make the game better. SOE were the guru's, LA's never had and still to this day, made an online game, so, the systems that were changed, were made by SOE, not LA's.
You can't really blame LA's for wanting a SW product to be the best and uphold an IP that has garnered billions of dollars for over 30 yrs. With that being said, i left and said goodbye to my toon a long time ago, so if i was still playing i would enjoy the little time i had left.
The whole concept of "resentment toward TOR" is utterly ludicrous. SWG was dead even with the free 45 days for all, and when those run out, the populations on all but about three servers are going to be infinitesimal. You can say all you want about how population levels are healthy and the game is viable and sustainable, but it's really not.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.