Trying to make GW2 look bad? Sorry dude. I'm not out for any game like some people who post on these forums are for TOR. I've said, I'll be playing GW2 for sure, no matter what. I enjoy GW1. I will enjoy GW2. I don't hate a game because it's doing a certain thing. I've seen posts from people, maybe even yours, that hate on a certain game, posting incorrect information with no backing as fact.
So what you are telling me is, Arathi Basin, Scenarios, Warzones, etc aren't Instances? Wintergrasp isn't an instance (when it's in session)? I call it an instance for the fact that, you are not freely walking around the world and encounter people. It's ONLY this "zone/instance" that you can PvP in. Great, you can Join/leave anytime you wish. But it's still a "port" to get there. You are not doing everyday normal quests anywhere in the world (except starter areas!) and running into someone from another world.
So you are saying that during stage one of a certain DE, that stage one will be different everytime you do it? So instead of facing centaurs that attack a village, you'll have an epic build of of trash the npcs thrown away that you need to clear before it pollutes the water? Interesting.
SURE, different DEs will have different objectives then others (to an extent, it will involve killing/clicking/gathering in all of them I'm sure) but for EACH seperate one, it is the exact same thing over and over.
Actually, you can stay in WvWvW for... as long as you want. You can level up there and WvWvW can be your 'everyday normal' if you want it to be. It has its own objectives.
Of course many dynamic events will involve killing. This is a combat based game. On the other hand, there are plenty of reasons, plenty of tricks, motivations and spanners thrown in the works. The events can interact, chain each other and overlap, and to Arenanet's credit, there are many dynamic events which eature non-combat tasks like putting out the fire on a burning building, convincing NPCs to do things for you, capturing bunnies, crafting. To say nothing of the many, many minigames players can participate in.
"Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right. This very place is neutral ground! Justice will prevail, you say? But of course it will! Whoever wins this war becomes justice!"
SURE, different DEs will have different objectives then others (to an extent, it will involve killing/clicking/gathering in all of them I'm sure) but for EACH seperate one, it is the exact same thing over and over.
And that is not exactly true 100% of the time, go watch the MMO report and listen to what the developers have to say about the Dynamic Events. In fact in that video they say different things can occur in the zone that will change the function of an event, so it would not be the same thing over and over again.
Yes I did, because I know she is following TOR because I have seen her discussing it on this forum. Now if you follow with me you will understand why I brought up TOR. See she said GW2 having portals makes it seem like all the zones are separate instances. If that truly is a valid point then she must have the same complainant about TOR, after all the planets are separate instances with a ship flying load screen. If that arguments does not hold true for both games then that is called hypocrisy, and that was exactly what I was trying to point out.
Now if her statement was just I do not like the waypoints they ruin my immersion, I would have never said anything. But there is a huge difference between that and what was originally said that started this conversation. Now do you see to me this was never about the waypoints, it was about the portal comment, I wanted to see if that truth she was trying to promote held true to all games. Not that I am trying to be mean to her, but I wanted to see if this was a cause of hypocrisy or not. Because I do not see how you can be all up in arms against the portal in GW2 but all nice and happy about the load screen between planets in TOR.
Maybe it is hypocrisy, maybe it isn't I can't say. If I misunderstood what you were saying I apologize, it just seemed to me it was a case of, "trash my game, I'll trash yours". Again if that's not what you were doing I apologize.
I'm just of an opinion you can't fault a person for liking what they like or disliking what they don't.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Cool, wasn't aware of some of this, though I could have sworn there was a statement made there would be no mounts in GW2?
Matter of fact I recall a whole thread on it.
Well we've seen the G.O.L.E.M. battlesuits (charr players during the Shatterer demo could access a dynamic event which gave them one) and we've seen the vehicles and renders in other media Arenanet have put out. They have stated that they have no plans to launch with mounts, not that they'll never add them or that there won't be alternate forms of travel.
"Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right. This very place is neutral ground! Justice will prevail, you say? But of course it will! Whoever wins this war becomes justice!"
Cool, wasn't aware of some of this, though I could have sworn there was a statement made there would be no mounts in GW2?
Matter of fact I recall a whole thread on it.
There won't be mounts, like in other games, upon release. I imagine there will be vehicles like there were in GW though.
ANet hasn't ruled out mounts for the future though. So mount lovers, keep up the hope.
Oh wow, this might sound like a noob comment, but I didn't even know there were vehicles in GW1, I stopped playing a little while after Factions. Never really kept an eye on it after that. Might have to pop it in and check that out, which version do I need for that?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Maybe it is hypocrisy, maybe it isn't I can't say. If I misunderstood what you were saying I apologize, it just seemed to me it was a case of, "trash my game, I'll trash yours". Again if that's not what you were doing I apologize.
I'm just of an opinion you can't fault a person for liking what they like or disliking what they don't.
No problem, and if you ever see me doing the “my game is better than your game” stuff, I give you permission to slap the heck out of me. I hate that on this forum with a passion, I honestly feel like I am in 3rd grade sometimes.
And I agree you cannot fault them for their opinion, but you can definitely question their knowledge of facts and their objectiveness. And to me hypocrisy is a sign of being extremely biased so I always look for it even in my own actions, because it is a huge sign I am doing something wrong.
Maybe it is hypocrisy, maybe it isn't I can't say. If I misunderstood what you were saying I apologize, it just seemed to me it was a case of, "trash my game, I'll trash yours". Again if that's not what you were doing I apologize.
I'm just of an opinion you can't fault a person for liking what they like or disliking what they don't.
No problem, and if you ever see me doing the “my game is better than your game” stuff, I give you permission to slap the heck out of me. I hate that on this forum with a passion, I honestly feel like I am in 3rd grade sometimes.
And I agree you cannot fault them for their opinion, but you can definitely question their knowledge of facts and their objectiveness. And to me hypocrisy is a sign of being extremely biased so I always look for it even in my own actions, because it is a huge sign I am doing something wrong.
ROFL, yeah, sometimes it seems some are still held back in kindercare and haven't reached the third grade like the rest of us.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
SURE, different DEs will have different objectives then others (to an extent, it will involve killing/clicking/gathering in all of them I'm sure) but for EACH seperate one, it is the exact same thing over and over.
And that is not exactly true 100% of the time, go watch the MMO report and listen to what the developers have to say about the Dynamic Events. In fact in that video they say different things can occur in the zone that will change the function of an event, so it would not be the same thing over and over again.
Actually, I can think of a relatively 'small' example for that which we've seen already. The developers have said that the Shatterer is part of a larger event chain. They have also said there are events which feed into this and from it. The specific example I'm thinking of is one event, seperate from the Shatterer fight, which involves protecting a caravan of supplies to Steeleye Span, which will fix and tweak nearby canons, mortars and other environmental weapons. If those weapons are fixed and up and running, players can use them in the big boss fight.
"Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right. This very place is neutral ground! Justice will prevail, you say? But of course it will! Whoever wins this war becomes justice!"
Cool, wasn't aware of some of this, though I could have sworn there was a statement made there would be no mounts in GW2?
Matter of fact I recall a whole thread on it.
There won't be mounts, like in other games, upon release. I imagine there will be vehicles like there were in GW though.
ANet hasn't ruled out mounts for the future though. So mount lovers, keep up the hope.
Oh wow, this might sound like a noob comment, but I didn't even know there were vehicles in GW1, I stopped playing a little while after Factions. Never really kept an eye on it after that. Might have to pop it in and check that out, which version do I need for that?
Nightfall has the big worm vehicles (you get them toward the later end of the missions), they give off a Dune vibe. Eye of the North has the Siege Devourers (kind of a living tank scorpion thing).
Trying to make GW2 look bad? Sorry dude. I'm not out for any game like some people who post on these forums are for TOR. I've said, I'll be playing GW2 for sure, no matter what. I enjoy GW1. I will enjoy GW2. I don't hate a game because it's doing a certain thing. I've seen posts from people, maybe even yours, that hate on a certain game, posting incorrect information with no backing as fact.
I never said you were trying to make GW2 look bad. I said your arguments were those that were used by people who try to make GW2 look bad.
So what you are telling me is, Arathi Basin, Scenarios, Warzones, etc aren't Instances? Wintergrasp isn't an instance (when it's in session)? I call it an instance for the fact that, you are not freely walking around the world and encounter people. It's ONLY this "zone/instance" that you can PvP in. Great, you can Join/leave anytime you wish. But it's still a "port" to get there. You are not doing everyday normal quests anywhere in the world (except starter areas!) and running into someone from another world.
BGs, Scenarios, Warzones, whatever you want to call them, those are instances. Have you ever noticed that you are automatically put into a group when you enter one? That's what the queue is for, you have to wait for a group to be put together. That won't happen in WvWvW because its not an instance. You can freely walk around and meet people in WvWvW as there is no player cap. Just because its a dedicated PvP area doesn't mean it an instance. Remember PvP lakes in WAR? Those weren't instanced and those were dedicated PvP areas. Porting to WvWvW has nothing to do with it either.
They aren't instances. That's that. Stop grasping for arguments.
So you are saying that during stage one of a certain DE, that stage one will be different everytime you do it? So instead of facing centaurs that attack a village, you'll have an epic build of of trash the npcs thrown away that you need to clear before it pollutes the water? Interesting.
I never said stage one would be different. But stage 2 could be. Stage 3 also. You could start out defending a village from centaurs. The next stage could have you chasing the centaurs back to their stronghold and attacking them there, or you could be guarding a caravan that is bringing supplies to the village to repair it.
SURE, different DEs will have different objectives then others (to an extent, it will involve killing/clicking/gathering in all of them I'm sure) but for EACH seperate one, it is the exact same thing over and over.
Thank you for showing that you have done little to no research on this game. If you want to have a civilised and intelligent conversation on it then please do your research I hate arguing and conversing with the uninformed or idiots.
Cool, wasn't aware of some of this, though I could have sworn there was a statement made there would be no mounts in GW2?
Matter of fact I recall a whole thread on it.
There won't be mounts, like in other games, upon release. I imagine there will be vehicles like there were in GW though.
ANet hasn't ruled out mounts for the future though. So mount lovers, keep up the hope.
Oh wow, this might sound like a noob comment, but I didn't even know there were vehicles in GW1, I stopped playing a little while after Factions. Never really kept an eye on it after that. Might have to pop it in and check that out, which version do I need for that?
Nightfall has the big worm vehicles (you get them toward the later end of the missions), they give off a Dune vibe. Eye of the North has the Siege Devourers (kind of a living tank scorpion thing).
Looks like I'll be hitting up my card tomorrow night . Thanks..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
It says that you're rather eager to pick and choose whom you would take as an example of a group of people who only have one interest in common.
No just proving a point, as you're right a few sour apples means nothing in the overall scheme of things. Not saying the guy I quoted is a sour apple, as he said himself he shouldn't have wrote what he did, and to ignore it.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
So what you are telling me is, Arathi Basin, Scenarios, Warzones, etc aren't Instances? Wintergrasp isn't an instance (when it's in session)? I call it an instance for the fact that, you are not freely walking around the world and encounter people. It's ONLY this "zone/instance" that you can PvP in. Great, you can Join/leave anytime you wish. But it's still a "port" to get there. You are not doing everyday normal quests anywhere in the world (except starter areas!) and running into someone from another world.
BGs, Scenarios, Warzones, whatever you want to call them, those are instances. Have you ever noticed that you are automatically put into a group when you enter one? That's what the queue is for, you have to wait for a group to be put together. That won't happen in WvWvW because its not an instance. You can freely walk around and meet people in WvWvW as there is no player cap. Just because its a dedicated PvP area doesn't mean it an instance. Remember PvP lakes in WAR? Those weren't instanced and those were dedicated PvP areas. Porting to WvWvW has nothing to do with it either.
They aren't instances. That's that. Stop grasping for arguments.
You leave your server and enter an INSTANCE for WvWvW. It is not taking place in the normal game world. Get over it.
Never said it was the normal game world. Reading comprehension FTW.
I never said that you said it was the normal game world. Reading comprehension FTW.
So what you are telling me is, Arathi Basin, Scenarios, Warzones, etc aren't Instances? Wintergrasp isn't an instance (when it's in session)? I call it an instance for the fact that, you are not freely walking around the world and encounter people. It's ONLY this "zone/instance" that you can PvP in. Great, you can Join/leave anytime you wish. But it's still a "port" to get there. You are not doing everyday normal quests anywhere in the world (except starter areas!) and running into someone from another world.
BGs, Scenarios, Warzones, whatever you want to call them, those are instances. Have you ever noticed that you are automatically put into a group when you enter one? That's what the queue is for, you have to wait for a group to be put together. That won't happen in WvWvW because its not an instance. You can freely walk around and meet people in WvWvW as there is no player cap. Just because its a dedicated PvP area doesn't mean it an instance. Remember PvP lakes in WAR? Those weren't instanced and those were dedicated PvP areas. Porting to WvWvW has nothing to do with it either.
They aren't instances. That's that. Stop grasping for arguments.
You leave your server and enter an INSTANCE for WvWvW. It is not taking place in the normal game world. Get over it.
Never said it was the normal game world. Reading comprehension FTW.
I never said that you said it was the normal game world. Reading comprehension FTW.
You implied I was. My point still stands, if its an instance then prove it.
So what you are telling me is, Arathi Basin, Scenarios, Warzones, etc aren't Instances? Wintergrasp isn't an instance (when it's in session)? I call it an instance for the fact that, you are not freely walking around the world and encounter people. It's ONLY this "zone/instance" that you can PvP in. Great, you can Join/leave anytime you wish. But it's still a "port" to get there. You are not doing everyday normal quests anywhere in the world (except starter areas!) and running into someone from another world.
BGs, Scenarios, Warzones, whatever you want to call them, those are instances. Have you ever noticed that you are automatically put into a group when you enter one? That's what the queue is for, you have to wait for a group to be put together. That won't happen in WvWvW because its not an instance. You can freely walk around and meet people in WvWvW as there is no player cap. Just because its a dedicated PvP area doesn't mean it an instance. Remember PvP lakes in WAR? Those weren't instanced and those were dedicated PvP areas. Porting to WvWvW has nothing to do with it either.
They aren't instances. That's that. Stop grasping for arguments.
You leave your server and enter an INSTANCE for WvWvW. It is not taking place in the normal game world. Get over it.
Never said it was the normal game world. Reading comprehension FTW.
I never said that you said it was the normal game world. Reading comprehension FTW.
You implied I was. My point still stands, if its an instance then prove it.
Perhaps the problem is that you have no idea what an instance is... "If you want to have a civilised and intelligent conversation on it then please do your research I hate arguing and conversing with the uninformed or idiots." How beautifully ironic.
So what you are telling me is, Arathi Basin, Scenarios, Warzones, etc aren't Instances? Wintergrasp isn't an instance (when it's in session)? I call it an instance for the fact that, you are not freely walking around the world and encounter people. It's ONLY this "zone/instance" that you can PvP in. Great, you can Join/leave anytime you wish. But it's still a "port" to get there. You are not doing everyday normal quests anywhere in the world (except starter areas!) and running into someone from another world.
BGs, Scenarios, Warzones, whatever you want to call them, those are instances. Have you ever noticed that you are automatically put into a group when you enter one? That's what the queue is for, you have to wait for a group to be put together. That won't happen in WvWvW because its not an instance. You can freely walk around and meet people in WvWvW as there is no player cap. Just because its a dedicated PvP area doesn't mean it an instance. Remember PvP lakes in WAR? Those weren't instanced and those were dedicated PvP areas. Porting to WvWvW has nothing to do with it either.
They aren't instances. That's that. Stop grasping for arguments.
You leave your server and enter an INSTANCE for WvWvW. It is not taking place in the normal game world. Get over it.
Never said it was the normal game world. Reading comprehension FTW.
I never said that you said it was the normal game world. Reading comprehension FTW.
You implied I was. My point still stands, if its an instance then prove it.
Quite easy to prove it's not an instance, by the way: if you can enter without being in a group, and form a group within WvWvW, it's not an instance. If I enter, and you enter, ungrouped with me, two minutes later, and we can both see each other, it's not an instance.
So what you are telling me is, Arathi Basin, Scenarios, Warzones, etc aren't Instances? Wintergrasp isn't an instance (when it's in session)? I call it an instance for the fact that, you are not freely walking around the world and encounter people. It's ONLY this "zone/instance" that you can PvP in. Great, you can Join/leave anytime you wish. But it's still a "port" to get there. You are not doing everyday normal quests anywhere in the world (except starter areas!) and running into someone from another world.
BGs, Scenarios, Warzones, whatever you want to call them, those are instances. Have you ever noticed that you are automatically put into a group when you enter one? That's what the queue is for, you have to wait for a group to be put together. That won't happen in WvWvW because its not an instance. You can freely walk around and meet people in WvWvW as there is no player cap. Just because its a dedicated PvP area doesn't mean it an instance. Remember PvP lakes in WAR? Those weren't instanced and those were dedicated PvP areas. Porting to WvWvW has nothing to do with it either.
They aren't instances. That's that. Stop grasping for arguments.
You leave your server and enter an INSTANCE for WvWvW. It is not taking place in the normal game world. Get over it.
Never said it was the normal game world. Reading comprehension FTW.
I never said that you said it was the normal game world. Reading comprehension FTW.
You implied I was. My point still stands, if its an instance then prove it.
Perhaps the problem is that you have no idea what an instance is... "If you want to have a civilised and intelligent conversation on it then please do your research I hate arguing and conversing with the uninformed or idiots." How beautifully ironic.
Instance
Definition: A segment of gameplay in MMORPGs in which players form a group together and enter a special area in the game world, usually through some type of portal. They are then essentially cut off from the rest of the gamers in that only people who are in the group when the group passes through the portal will be able to enter the dungeon with them. Other groups may enter the dungeon, but will not encounter the first group, hence they are in a different INSTANCE of the same dungeon.
So what you are telling me is, Arathi Basin, Scenarios, Warzones, etc aren't Instances? Wintergrasp isn't an instance (when it's in session)? I call it an instance for the fact that, you are not freely walking around the world and encounter people. It's ONLY this "zone/instance" that you can PvP in. Great, you can Join/leave anytime you wish. But it's still a "port" to get there. You are not doing everyday normal quests anywhere in the world (except starter areas!) and running into someone from another world.
BGs, Scenarios, Warzones, whatever you want to call them, those are instances. Have you ever noticed that you are automatically put into a group when you enter one? That's what the queue is for, you have to wait for a group to be put together. That won't happen in WvWvW because its not an instance. You can freely walk around and meet people in WvWvW as there is no player cap. Just because its a dedicated PvP area doesn't mean it an instance. Remember PvP lakes in WAR? Those weren't instanced and those were dedicated PvP areas. Porting to WvWvW has nothing to do with it either.
They aren't instances. That's that. Stop grasping for arguments.
You leave your server and enter an INSTANCE for WvWvW. It is not taking place in the normal game world. Get over it.
Never said it was the normal game world. Reading comprehension FTW.
I never said that you said it was the normal game world. Reading comprehension FTW.
You implied I was. My point still stands, if its an instance then prove it.
Perhaps the problem is that you have no idea what an instance is... "If you want to have a civilised and intelligent conversation on it then please do your research I hate arguing and conversing with the uninformed or idiots." How beautifully ironic.
Instance
Definition: A segment of gameplay in MMORPGs in which players form a group together and enter a special area in the game world, usually through some type of portal. They are then essentially cut off from the rest of the gamers in that only people who are in the group when the group passes through the portal will be able to enter the dungeon with them. Other groups may enter the dungeon, but will not encounter the first group, hence they are in a different INSTANCE of the same dungeon.
Seeing as this doesn't happen in WvWvW, I guess it's not an instance. Thanks for your concern though.
Still an instance. This lame definition (that I knew you would go search for) stupidly ties "grouping" to an instance, as if you couldn't enter an instance solo.
So what you are telling me is, Arathi Basin, Scenarios, Warzones, etc aren't Instances? Wintergrasp isn't an instance (when it's in session)? I call it an instance for the fact that, you are not freely walking around the world and encounter people. It's ONLY this "zone/instance" that you can PvP in. Great, you can Join/leave anytime you wish. But it's still a "port" to get there. You are not doing everyday normal quests anywhere in the world (except starter areas!) and running into someone from another world.
BGs, Scenarios, Warzones, whatever you want to call them, those are instances. Have you ever noticed that you are automatically put into a group when you enter one? That's what the queue is for, you have to wait for a group to be put together. That won't happen in WvWvW because its not an instance. You can freely walk around and meet people in WvWvW as there is no player cap. Just because its a dedicated PvP area doesn't mean it an instance. Remember PvP lakes in WAR? Those weren't instanced and those were dedicated PvP areas. Porting to WvWvW has nothing to do with it either.
They aren't instances. That's that. Stop grasping for arguments.
You leave your server and enter an INSTANCE for WvWvW. It is not taking place in the normal game world. Get over it.
Never said it was the normal game world. Reading comprehension FTW.
I never said that you said it was the normal game world. Reading comprehension FTW.
You implied I was. My point still stands, if its an instance then prove it.
Perhaps the problem is that you have no idea what an instance is... "If you want to have a civilised and intelligent conversation on it then please do your research I hate arguing and conversing with the uninformed or idiots." How beautifully ironic.
Instance
Definition: A segment of gameplay in MMORPGs in which players form a group together and enter a special area in the game world, usually through some type of portal. They are then essentially cut off from the rest of the gamers in that only people who are in the group when the group passes through the portal will be able to enter the dungeon with them. Other groups may enter the dungeon, but will not encounter the first group, hence they are in a different INSTANCE of the same dungeon.
Seeing as this doesn't happen in WvWvW, I guess it's not an instance. Thanks for your concern though.
Still an instance. This lame definition (that I knew you would go search for) stupidly ties "grouping" to an instance, as if you couldn't enter an instance solo.
Keep trying, but you'll still be wrong.
Oh I know you can enter an instance solo, but the definition is still right. When you enter an instance you are either alone or only with your group.
Thats not the case with WvWvW. You see everybody that decides to enter.
So what you are telling me is, Arathi Basin, Scenarios, Warzones, etc aren't Instances? Wintergrasp isn't an instance (when it's in session)? I call it an instance for the fact that, you are not freely walking around the world and encounter people. It's ONLY this "zone/instance" that you can PvP in. Great, you can Join/leave anytime you wish. But it's still a "port" to get there. You are not doing everyday normal quests anywhere in the world (except starter areas!) and running into someone from another world.
BGs, Scenarios, Warzones, whatever you want to call them, those are instances. Have you ever noticed that you are automatically put into a group when you enter one? That's what the queue is for, you have to wait for a group to be put together. That won't happen in WvWvW because its not an instance. You can freely walk around and meet people in WvWvW as there is no player cap. Just because its a dedicated PvP area doesn't mean it an instance. Remember PvP lakes in WAR? Those weren't instanced and those were dedicated PvP areas. Porting to WvWvW has nothing to do with it either.
They aren't instances. That's that. Stop grasping for arguments.
You leave your server and enter an INSTANCE for WvWvW. It is not taking place in the normal game world. Get over it.
Never said it was the normal game world. Reading comprehension FTW.
I never said that you said it was the normal game world. Reading comprehension FTW.
You implied I was. My point still stands, if its an instance then prove it.
Perhaps the problem is that you have no idea what an instance is... "If you want to have a civilised and intelligent conversation on it then please do your research I hate arguing and conversing with the uninformed or idiots." How beautifully ironic.
Instance
Definition: A segment of gameplay in MMORPGs in which players form a group together and enter a special area in the game world, usually through some type of portal. They are then essentially cut off from the rest of the gamers in that only people who are in the group when the group passes through the portal will be able to enter the dungeon with them. Other groups may enter the dungeon, but will not encounter the first group, hence they are in a different INSTANCE of the same dungeon.
Seeing as this doesn't happen in WvWvW, I guess it's not an instance. Thanks for your concern though.
Still an instance. This lame definition (that I knew you would go search for) stupidly ties "grouping" to an instance, as if you couldn't enter an instance solo.
Keep trying, but you'll still be wrong.
You can enter it solo, and still see someone else who has also entered it solo. There is no definition of instance that applies to that scenario.
I'm happy for you, and I'ma let you finish, but you simply don't get to make your own definitions for words. You are not the dictionary, and if you repeat an untruth long enough, it won't become true. I'm going to go ahead and report you for trolling, though, because this has gone on long enough.
So what you are telling me is, Arathi Basin, Scenarios, Warzones, etc aren't Instances? Wintergrasp isn't an instance (when it's in session)? I call it an instance for the fact that, you are not freely walking around the world and encounter people. It's ONLY this "zone/instance" that you can PvP in. Great, you can Join/leave anytime you wish. But it's still a "port" to get there. You are not doing everyday normal quests anywhere in the world (except starter areas!) and running into someone from another world.
BGs, Scenarios, Warzones, whatever you want to call them, those are instances. Have you ever noticed that you are automatically put into a group when you enter one? That's what the queue is for, you have to wait for a group to be put together. That won't happen in WvWvW because its not an instance. You can freely walk around and meet people in WvWvW as there is no player cap. Just because its a dedicated PvP area doesn't mean it an instance. Remember PvP lakes in WAR? Those weren't instanced and those were dedicated PvP areas. Porting to WvWvW has nothing to do with it either.
They aren't instances. That's that. Stop grasping for arguments.
You leave your server and enter an INSTANCE for WvWvW. It is not taking place in the normal game world. Get over it.
Never said it was the normal game world. Reading comprehension FTW.
I never said that you said it was the normal game world. Reading comprehension FTW.
You implied I was. My point still stands, if its an instance then prove it.
Perhaps the problem is that you have no idea what an instance is... "If you want to have a civilised and intelligent conversation on it then please do your research I hate arguing and conversing with the uninformed or idiots." How beautifully ironic.
Instance
Definition: A segment of gameplay in MMORPGs in which players form a group together and enter a special area in the game world, usually through some type of portal. They are then essentially cut off from the rest of the gamers in that only people who are in the group when the group passes through the portal will be able to enter the dungeon with them. Other groups may enter the dungeon, but will not encounter the first group, hence they are in a different INSTANCE of the same dungeon.
Seeing as this doesn't happen in WvWvW, I guess it's not an instance. Thanks for your concern though.
Still an instance. This lame definition (that I knew you would go search for) stupidly ties "grouping" to an instance, as if you couldn't enter an instance solo.
Keep trying, but you'll still be wrong.
You can enter it solo, and still see someone else who has also entered it solo. There is no definition of instance that applies to that scenario.
I'm happy for you, and I'ma let you finish, but you simply don't get to make your own definitions for words. You are not the dictionary, and if you repeat an untruth long enough, it won't become true. I'm going to go ahead and report you for trolling, though, because this has gone on long enough.
So what you are telling me is, Arathi Basin, Scenarios, Warzones, etc aren't Instances? Wintergrasp isn't an instance (when it's in session)? I call it an instance for the fact that, you are not freely walking around the world and encounter people. It's ONLY this "zone/instance" that you can PvP in. Great, you can Join/leave anytime you wish. But it's still a "port" to get there. You are not doing everyday normal quests anywhere in the world (except starter areas!) and running into someone from another world.
BGs, Scenarios, Warzones, whatever you want to call them, those are instances. Have you ever noticed that you are automatically put into a group when you enter one? That's what the queue is for, you have to wait for a group to be put together. That won't happen in WvWvW because its not an instance. You can freely walk around and meet people in WvWvW as there is no player cap. Just because its a dedicated PvP area doesn't mean it an instance. Remember PvP lakes in WAR? Those weren't instanced and those were dedicated PvP areas. Porting to WvWvW has nothing to do with it either.
They aren't instances. That's that. Stop grasping for arguments.
You leave your server and enter an INSTANCE for WvWvW. It is not taking place in the normal game world. Get over it.
Never said it was the normal game world. Reading comprehension FTW.
I never said that you said it was the normal game world. Reading comprehension FTW.
You implied I was. My point still stands, if its an instance then prove it.
Perhaps the problem is that you have no idea what an instance is... "If you want to have a civilised and intelligent conversation on it then please do your research I hate arguing and conversing with the uninformed or idiots." How beautifully ironic.
Instance
Definition: A segment of gameplay in MMORPGs in which players form a group together and enter a special area in the game world, usually through some type of portal. They are then essentially cut off from the rest of the gamers in that only people who are in the group when the group passes through the portal will be able to enter the dungeon with them. Other groups may enter the dungeon, but will not encounter the first group, hence they are in a different INSTANCE of the same dungeon.
Seeing as this doesn't happen in WvWvW, I guess it's not an instance. Thanks for your concern though.
Still an instance. This lame definition (that I knew you would go search for) stupidly ties "grouping" to an instance, as if you couldn't enter an instance solo.
Keep trying, but you'll still be wrong.
You can enter it solo, and still see someone else who has also entered it solo. There is no definition of instance that applies to that scenario.
I'm happy for you, and I'ma let you finish, but you simply don't get to make your own definitions for words. You are not the dictionary, and if you repeat an untruth long enough, it won't become true. I'm going to go ahead and report you for trolling, though, because this has gone on long enough.
It's still an instance.
If the GW2 W v W v W is an instance then so is every single MMO in existance, by your very own definition.
Even stuff like each individual solar system in EVE would be an instance given your own definition.
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Actually, you can stay in WvWvW for... as long as you want. You can level up there and WvWvW can be your 'everyday normal' if you want it to be. It has its own objectives.
Of course many dynamic events will involve killing. This is a combat based game. On the other hand, there are plenty of reasons, plenty of tricks, motivations and spanners thrown in the works. The events can interact, chain each other and overlap, and to Arenanet's credit, there are many dynamic events which eature non-combat tasks like putting out the fire on a burning building, convincing NPCs to do things for you, capturing bunnies, crafting. To say nothing of the many, many minigames players can participate in.
"Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right. This very place is neutral ground! Justice will prevail, you say? But of course it will! Whoever wins this war becomes justice!"
And that is not exactly true 100% of the time, go watch the MMO report and listen to what the developers have to say about the Dynamic Events. In fact in that video they say different things can occur in the zone that will change the function of an event, so it would not be the same thing over and over again.
Maybe it is hypocrisy, maybe it isn't I can't say. If I misunderstood what you were saying I apologize, it just seemed to me it was a case of, "trash my game, I'll trash yours". Again if that's not what you were doing I apologize.
I'm just of an opinion you can't fault a person for liking what they like or disliking what they don't.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Well we've seen the G.O.L.E.M. battlesuits (charr players during the Shatterer demo could access a dynamic event which gave them one) and we've seen the vehicles and renders in other media Arenanet have put out. They have stated that they have no plans to launch with mounts, not that they'll never add them or that there won't be alternate forms of travel.
"Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right. This very place is neutral ground! Justice will prevail, you say? But of course it will! Whoever wins this war becomes justice!"
Oh wow, this might sound like a noob comment, but I didn't even know there were vehicles in GW1, I stopped playing a little while after Factions. Never really kept an eye on it after that. Might have to pop it in and check that out, which version do I need for that?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
No problem, and if you ever see me doing the “my game is better than your game” stuff, I give you permission to slap the heck out of me. I hate that on this forum with a passion, I honestly feel like I am in 3rd grade sometimes.
And I agree you cannot fault them for their opinion, but you can definitely question their knowledge of facts and their objectiveness. And to me hypocrisy is a sign of being extremely biased so I always look for it even in my own actions, because it is a huge sign I am doing something wrong.
It says that you're rather eager to pick and choose whom you would take as an example of a group of people who only have one interest in common.
ROFL, yeah, sometimes it seems some are still held back in kindercare and haven't reached the third grade like the rest of us.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Actually, I can think of a relatively 'small' example for that which we've seen already. The developers have said that the Shatterer is part of a larger event chain. They have also said there are events which feed into this and from it. The specific example I'm thinking of is one event, seperate from the Shatterer fight, which involves protecting a caravan of supplies to Steeleye Span, which will fix and tweak nearby canons, mortars and other environmental weapons. If those weapons are fixed and up and running, players can use them in the big boss fight.
"Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right. This very place is neutral ground! Justice will prevail, you say? But of course it will! Whoever wins this war becomes justice!"
Nightfall has the big worm vehicles (you get them toward the later end of the missions), they give off a Dune vibe. Eye of the North has the Siege Devourers (kind of a living tank scorpion thing).
Looks like I'll be hitting up my card tomorrow night
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For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
No just proving a point, as you're right a few sour apples means nothing in the overall scheme of things. Not saying the guy I quoted is a sour apple, as he said himself he shouldn't have wrote what he did, and to ignore it.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I never said that you said it was the normal game world. Reading comprehension FTW.
You implied I was. My point still stands, if its an instance then prove it.
Perhaps the problem is that you have no idea what an instance is... "If you want to have a civilised and intelligent conversation on it then please do your research I hate arguing and conversing with the uninformed or idiots." How beautifully ironic.
Quite easy to prove it's not an instance, by the way: if you can enter without being in a group, and form a group within WvWvW, it's not an instance. If I enter, and you enter, ungrouped with me, two minutes later, and we can both see each other, it's not an instance.
This is, in point of fact, the case with WvWvW.
Instance
Definition: A segment of gameplay in MMORPGs in which players form a group together and enter a special area in the game world, usually through some type of portal. They are then essentially cut off from the rest of the gamers in that only people who are in the group when the group passes through the portal will be able to enter the dungeon with them. Other groups may enter the dungeon, but will not encounter the first group, hence they are in a different INSTANCE of the same dungeon.
http://geekdictionary.computing.net/define/instance
Seeing as this doesn't happen in WvWvW, I guess it's not an instance. Thanks for your concern though.
Still an instance. This lame definition (that I knew you would go search for) stupidly ties "grouping" to an instance, as if you couldn't enter an instance solo.
Keep trying, but you'll still be wrong.
Oh I know you can enter an instance solo, but the definition is still right. When you enter an instance you are either alone or only with your group.
Thats not the case with WvWvW. You see everybody that decides to enter.
You can enter it solo, and still see someone else who has also entered it solo. There is no definition of instance that applies to that scenario.
I'm happy for you, and I'ma let you finish, but you simply don't get to make your own definitions for words. You are not the dictionary, and if you repeat an untruth long enough, it won't become true. I'm going to go ahead and report you for trolling, though, because this has gone on long enough.
It's still an instance.
If the GW2 W v W v W is an instance then so is every single MMO in existance, by your very own definition.
Even stuff like each individual solar system in EVE would be an instance given your own definition.
You really have no idea do you?
Wow that's weird. All the things the OP cites as "dislikes" are "likes" for me.
Guess it takes all kinds to make the gaming world go 'round.
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That depends on if it's a private zone or not, if it's not private it's just a zone. Zoning and instancing are two different things.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson