I can't believe these forums are filled with people wanting companies to make you pay for something you already payed for!? You pay a monthly subscription, yet ... You have to pay extra for something in the cash shop!? It's like DLC these days. They're the crap that they cut from the game, so they can sell to you later on. I would feel bad for companies, if they weren't so greedy. But hey, let's care for these these dipsticks that already make plenty of money.
Who is talking about that? He replied to my post which was in reference to the immersive features people are attempting to hold back, such as incarna as a whole, which could bring in a wealth of new players as well as income for CCP.
If you can't be bothered to read both posts in a conversation why bother replying at all?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Hmm, I'm not talking about the pay to win concerns, I'm talking about people who lack an understanding of moving a product forward rather than backward. Keep patting yourself on the back though, about issues you have no clue would have come to fruition or not.
You ask too much from EVE players.
They are unable to approach an information with a grain of critical thinking, yet you think they could understand what it takes to run a business?
?
I can't believe these forums are filled with people wanting companies to make you pay for something you already payed for!? You pay a monthly subscription, yet ... You have to pay extra for something in the cash shop!? It's like DLC these days. They're the crap that they cut from the game, so they can sell to you later on. I would feel bad for companies, if they weren't so greedy. But hey, let's care for these these dipsticks that already make plenty of money.
Excuse me...but what game company forces you to play it - ever?
I can't believe these forums are filled with people wanting companies to make you pay for something you already payed for!? You pay a monthly subscription, yet ... You have to pay extra for something in the cash shop!? It's like DLC these days. They're the crap that they cut from the game, so they can sell to you later on. I would feel bad for companies, if they weren't so greedy. But hey, let's care for these these dipsticks that already make plenty of money.
Who is talking about that? He replied to my post which was in reference to the immersive features people are attempting to hold back, such as incarna as a whole, which could bring in a wealth of new players as well as income for CCP.
If you can't be bothered to read both posts in a conversation why bother replying at all?
Well I don't know what idiot would not want such features. Which is why I believe this thread was just about the things we all know shouldn't be in the game. Why post such obvious things? Of course we all want the non-cash shop features!? Who said we didn't?
If the whole community would have acted like sheep in this process then things might have turned out differently.
~Bravo to the rebels~
Fully agreeing with this.
You can bet your ass that there have been some long and heated meetings before the CSM even landed in order to establish a readjusted strategy in regards to the cash shop.
The fact that they didn't assure us of a 'vanity only' stance for a week during the shit storm shows a lot. It would have been real easy to communicate that and it would have taken away the worries of many people. It took time to decide that though. I have no doubt that the player protests and unsubs had a big effect on that. It also made them rethink their communication protocols which was direly needed.
Hmm, I'm not talking about the pay to win concerns, I'm talking about people who lack an understanding of moving a product forward rather than backward. Keep patting yourself on the back though, about issues you have no clue would have come to fruition or not.
You ask too much from EVE players.
They are unable to approach an information with a grain of critical thinking, yet you think they could understand what it takes to run a business?
?
I can't believe these forums are filled with people wanting companies to make you pay for something you already payed for!? You pay a monthly subscription, yet ... You have to pay extra for something in the cash shop!? It's like DLC these days. They're the crap that they cut from the game, so they can sell to you later on. I would feel bad for companies, if they weren't so greedy. But hey, let's care for these these dipsticks that already make plenty of money.
Excuse me...but what game company forces you to play it - ever?
Excuse me. What post forced you to reply? See what I did? You can't help yourself.
I can't believe these forums are filled with people wanting companies to make you pay for something you already payed for!? You pay a monthly subscription, yet ... You have to pay extra for something in the cash shop!? It's like DLC these days. They're the crap that they cut from the game, so they can sell to you later on. I would feel bad for companies, if they weren't so greedy. But hey, let's care for these these dipsticks that already make plenty of money.
Who is talking about that? He replied to my post which was in reference to the immersive features people are attempting to hold back, such as incarna as a whole, which could bring in a wealth of new players as well as income for CCP.
If you can't be bothered to read both posts in a conversation why bother replying at all?
Well I don't know what idiot would not want such features. Which is why I believe this thread was just about the things we all know shouldn't be in the game. Why post such obvious things? Of course we all want the non-cash shop features!? Who said we didn't?
Read the post I originally replied to (2nd page)..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I can't believe these forums are filled with people wanting companies to make you pay for something you already payed for!? You pay a monthly subscription, yet ... You have to pay extra for something in the cash shop!? It's like DLC these days. They're the crap that they cut from the game, so they can sell to you later on. I would feel bad for companies, if they weren't so greedy. But hey, let's care for these these dipsticks that already make plenty of money.
Who is talking about that? He replied to my post which was in reference to the immersive features people are attempting to hold back, such as incarna as a whole, which could bring in a wealth of new players as well as income for CCP.
If you can't be bothered to read both posts in a conversation why bother replying at all?
Well I don't know what idiot would not want such features. Which is why I believe this thread was just about the things we all know shouldn't be in the game. Why post such obvious things? Of course we all want the non-cash shop features!? Who said we didn't?
Read the post I originally replied to (2nd page)..
Alright, found the post about the "spinning ships" and such. I apologize to you, good sir. You have to understand, I go into a blind rage about cash shops and sometimes read posts that were really about something else.
CCP had always said they wouldn't be adding gold ammo, ships or anything that would alter game play. In the end it came down to a lot of people jumping the gun, because of an internal memo throwing ideas around. So in other words they should have trusted them to do the right thing from the very beginning.
And what about, in their own words, that they had planned to sell Scorpions without requiring a trade-in, until people made a fuss?
Or their promise to never implement a cash shop like the one they are implementing right now?
What the hell are these people who keep saying Eve'rs jumped the gun seeing?
CCP's backpedaling is the direct result of people with the torches and pitchforks. Same thing with FFXIV, yet people keep thinking these companies will do the right thing on their own.
When bad things happen, they sit on their butts and do nothing. If the bad things stay, they say oh, it doesn't make a difference. If the stuff gets repealed, they say see, they would have repealed it anyway.
Deadweights.
There's a huge difference between stating concerns and making them known, and running from the pieces falling from the sky. What I saw was the latter.
As for scorpions you're only telling half the story. What you're saying was only to be a temporary issue.
Where is that promise to never add a cash shop by the way? Linky?
You're also forgetting that the CSM acknowledged there seemed to be no plan what so ever of offering game altering changes.
If that's what you saw I'm glad I have my eyes and not yours.
Read the post I originally replied to (2nd page)..
Alright, found the post about the "spinning ships" and such. I apologize to you, good sir. You have to understand, I go into a blind rage about cash shops and sometimes read posts that were really about something else.
Np
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Originally posted by frostsmith Who is talking about that? He replied to my post which was in reference to the immersive features people are attempting to hold back, such as incarna as a whole, which could bring in a wealth of new players as well as income for CCP. If you can't be bothered to read both posts in a conversation why bother replying at all?
It's cool. What I said can be applied to both cases easily :-P
Originally posted by frostsmith You pay a monthly subscription, yet ... You have to pay extra for something in the cash shop!?
I don't have to, that's why it's extra.
Anything from item shop can be bought with ISK so your point(did you actually make any?) is moot.
If that's what you saw I'm glad I have my eyes and not yours.
Sure there were people who did the right thing, however for every person who did, there were 4-5 who did nothing but spread hysteria all over forums. Which accomplished nothing what so ever. Those who did the right thing did so by hitting CCP where it hurt, subscriptions.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Who is talking about that? He replied to my post which was in reference to the immersive features people are attempting to hold back, such as incarna as a whole, which could bring in a wealth of new players as well as income for CCP.
If you can't be bothered to read both posts in a conversation why bother replying at all?
It's cool. What I said can be applied to both cases easily :-P
Originally posted by frostsmith
You pay a monthly subscription, yet ... You have to pay extra for something in the cash shop!?
I don't have to, that's why it's extra.
Anything from item shop can be bought with ISK so your point(did you actually make any?) is moot.
PS: Monocles are cool.
Monocles are not cool. And so is being a wannabe hipster. Yes, hispters wear monocles now.
This is absurd. I understand clearly about the controversy involving MT's, but throwing tantrums about not having "spinning ships?" If those brats, and the term fits the definition, want unimmersive boring space games, they should go play 'Dark Orbit' or some FB knockoff version.
The idea that CCP is even considering re-adding the spinning ships kiddie version has me wanting to cancel personally. I enjoy games that evolve with technology and have immersion, not boring kiddie games trying to pretend to be a space mmo.
So I take it you like the privilege of having to pay a subscription so you can test pre alpha builds of another games engine? Most people angry at the loss of the hanger do not really care about ship spinning itself they resent the state the captains quarters was in when it was shoveled out of the door.
They resent its poor performance, they resent the fact that many EVE players tend to do other things with their PCs when docked, they resent the way its performance issues are even worse with multiple clients running and they also hate the fact that if you turn it off you get a terrible low res picture of a brown door. Having to load CQ every time you dock really impacts some players performance, its especially annoying when you dock to say pick up a single item.
The problems are not really limited to older or less high end machines, some people with bleeding edge machines have huge problems yet others with less powerful machines have fewer problems. The problems are caused purely by bad optimisation because the Incarna engine is a test engine for World of Darkness yet EVE players have to pay for this rubbish.
Losing the hanger also impacted functionality, with station environments turned off for example you cannot see directly which ship you are flying and have to open a ships cargo to place things inside, these are two examples of how you don't need more clicks in an already difficult UI.
Its not like the captains quarters are actually any good, there is nothing to do, nothing to customise, you cant even change whats displayed on the screen and as for clothes we where given the choice of less than 10 items which where all loltastically overpriced.
So EVE players where forced to use a rubbish captains quarters which has no functionality and took functionality away and has dreadful optimization issues.
I think EVE players where justified in being angry and it was no "tantrum".
Currently playing:
EVE online (Ruining low sec one hotdrop at a time)
Gravity Rush, Dishonoured: The Knife of Dunwall.
(Waiting for) Metro: Last Light, Company of Heroes II.
This is absurd. I understand clearly about the controversy involving MT's, but throwing tantrums about not having "spinning ships?" If those brats, and the term fits the definition, want unimmersive boring space games, they should go play 'Dark Orbit' or some FB knockoff version.
The idea that CCP is even considering re-adding the spinning ships kiddie version has me wanting to cancel personally. I enjoy games that evolve with technology and have immersion, not boring kiddie games trying to pretend to be a space mmo.
So I take it you like the privilege of having to pay a subscription so you can test pre alpha builds of another games engine? Most people angry at the loss of the hanger do not really care about ship spinning itself they resent the state the captains quarters was in when it was shoveled out of the door.
They resent its poor performance, they resent the fact that many EVE players tend to do other things with their PCs when docked, they resent the way its performance issues are even worse with multiple clients running and they also hate the fact that if you turn it off you get a terrible low res picture of a brown door. Having to load CQ every time you dock really impacts some players performance, its especially annoying when you dock to say pick up a single item.
The problems are not really limited to older or less high end machines, some people with bleeding edge machines have huge problems yet others with less powerful machines have fewer problems. The problems are caused purely by bad optimisation because the Incarna engine is a test engine for World of Darkness yet EVE players have to pay for this rubbish.
Losing the hanger also impacted functionality, with station environments turned off for example you cannot see directly which ship you are flying and have to open a ships cargo to place things inside, these are two examples of how you don't need more clicks in an already difficult UI.
Its not like the captains quarters are actually any good, there is nothing to do, nothing to customise, you cant even change whats displayed on the screen and as for clothes we where given the choice of less than 10 items which where all loltastically overpriced.
So EVE players where forced to use a rubbish captains quarters which has no functionality and took functionality away and has dreadful optimization issues.
I think EVE players where justified in being angry and it was no "tantrum".
This.
Plus if the CQ actually added anything to the game other then being able to stare at yourself in the mirror while wearing your monocle I could see the arguements, but staring at a tv while sitting on a couch is not really what I call moving forward gameplay. Spinning spaceship in a spaceship game, or looking at avatar wearing your mt'd quafe shirt and monocle, and your picking the mirror as adding immersion?
I hope it stays a truce, so current EVE players are happy and continue paying. I just want CCP to be able to fully fund their next project and not have to take shortcuts because 100k EvE fans quit.
I started watching the video link and didn't understand what I was watching. Even after watching for a while my brain wouldn't allow me to accept what these two people were actually discussing. This was the most embarrassing mmo video I have ever seen.
The player talking to someone at the actual game company of the game he plays? Absolutely mind blowing that someone at this company crunched the numbers so minutely to figure out how many insignificant players like this random player existed, and then to know that if they watch these players mouths move up and down for a while that their game would do even better is incredible.
The insignificant player representative should concentrate on progressing his real life instead of flying to game companies and wasting his time telling them things they really don't care about at all. How could anyone watching this video not be embarrassed to the point of turning it off well before finish?
I am downloading this game and will try it for the first time tonight. If a company operates to this extent I will defenitely support them.
EVE is the only game that allows players to have direct communication with the company; I like that. I like the fact that they were held accountable for this recent mess and have owned up for their part in it. Way to make them accountable Mittani.
Does this mean that I'm re-subbing? I don't know yet. I am waiting to see what Funcom is going to do in the next few weeks. If the Secret World is coming out soon, its not going to be worth it to re-sub EVE since I will be playing that. Right now I am playing the HGL OBeta and having fun with it.
Good job overall, to the community, to the CSM and the EVE devs as well.
I think the video was a brilliant move. Lets be honest, we gamers aren't the best when it comes to camera or acting.
Having the video meant eveyone could see the body language and a better indication of whether the 'dev blog' was a PR spin or not. My judgement is that it wasn't just by looking at how 'The Mittani / CCP' was relaxed and frank about the whole thing.
Happy with the video and how it all turned out, pity the CSM had to fly to Iceland for the 3rd time in 3 months because CCP can't communicate very well.
Gdemami - Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Short version: A whole lot of idiots freak out about something that was never going to happen.
Smart version: The community freakout actually caused CCP to back-peddle faster than a guy finding out his girlfriend was actually a man, baby.
Honestly, did they need to fly out four people to Iceland to find out that players wanted assurance there would be no non-vanity items?
Gratz to Eve'rs, and I really mean that. But you guys haven't won, they are just bidding their time. I know you guys weren't just afraid of what was going to happen out of nothing. It was the feeling you got from their actions that caused suspicions right?
Unfortunately, nitwits (cough) that play don't even know what you've done for them, even after seeing the result.
Really? CCP is saying the exact same thing they said after your world ended a week ago. That the internal newsletter was not to be taken seriously, and they had ZERO plans to add anything except vanity items.
So I take it you like the privilege of having to pay a subscription so you can test pre alpha builds of another games engine? Most people angry at the loss of the hanger do not really care about ship spinning itself they resent the state the captains quarters was in when it was shoveled out of the door.
They resent its poor performance, they resent the fact that many EVE players tend to do other things with their PCs when docked, they resent the way its performance issues are even worse with multiple clients running and they also hate the fact that if you turn it off you get a terrible low res picture of a brown door. Having to load CQ every time you dock really impacts some players performance, its especially annoying when you dock to say pick up a single item.
The problems are not really limited to older or less high end machines, some people with bleeding edge machines have huge problems yet others with less powerful machines have fewer problems. The problems are caused purely by bad optimisation because the Incarna engine is a test engine for World of Darkness yet EVE players have to pay for this rubbish.
Losing the hanger also impacted functionality, with station environments turned off for example you cannot see directly which ship you are flying and have to open a ships cargo to place things inside, these are two examples of how you don't need more clicks in an already difficult UI.
Its not like the captains quarters are actually any good, there is nothing to do, nothing to customise, you cant even change whats displayed on the screen and as for clothes we where given the choice of less than 10 items which where all loltastically overpriced.
So EVE players where forced to use a rubbish captains quarters which has no functionality and took functionality away and has dreadful optimization issues.
I think EVE players where justified in being angry and it was no "tantrum".
This.
Plus if the CQ actually added anything to the game other then being able to stare at yourself in the mirror while wearing your monocle I could see the arguements, but staring at a tv while sitting on a couch is not really what I call moving forward gameplay. Spinning spaceship in a spaceship game, or looking at avatar wearing your mt'd quafe shirt and monocle, and your picking the mirror as adding immersion?
I'm not sure what the guy is talking about in reference to the poor state of CQs, ran fine for me, loads fairly fast to, can't relate on those complaints (my pc is junk to). You two are exactly what I was talking about though, you're wanting the game to stagnate, at least that's the way I see it.
People pay a sub to EVE to play EVE, which nothing has changed about what EVE has always been, they're only trying to expand on what EVE is. I'm not going to call you names, but I do find the arguments you're making to be ridiculous at best idiotic at worse. Before you run for the report button, I'm attacking your agrument not you.
You're acting as though the only plans for incarna are the CQ's, which is disingeuous. CCP obviously wants to expand the experience EVE offers, they want it to be more than a "space ship game". What is wrong with that?
They've explained in detail how they are rolling these features out and the why of it. If you haven't bothered to inform yourself, or just plain ignore the reasoning, I don't know what to tell you. Get over it?
This kind of backwards thinking is not only what will ruin EVE and it's true potential, but it's the same type of thinking that has lead to a stagnation in this entire market. Progress is a good thing, moving things into new unexplored ground is a good thing, letting things wither away and die is not.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
This *should* mean the "war" is over. But remember - just a mere 2 percent of the player base actually post in the forums, leaving the voices of 98% in silence. I'm quite sure those 98% are quite happy playing eve. I'm also pretty sure that we will still have a vocal minority here on the forums that will "refuse to go silently into the night". To me it seem some people will use any grain or straw to vent their grudge and discontent.
It started with a letter. It exploded with "do not listen to players, only look at their actions". A side kick was the price on the vanity items (60 dollars for monocles). Then the people screaming "the sky is falling" and saying CCP will not stop at vanity items in their cash shops.
Now they have gotten some pretty unique statements and video that should relieve some of their angst. However, some are now raising their fist about spinning ships and pixel doors in the Captain Quarters...
If the whole community would have acted like sheep in this process then things might have turned out differently.
~Bravo to the rebels~
Fully agreeing with this.
You can bet your ass that there have been some long and heated meetings before the CSM even landed in order to establish a readjusted strategy in regards to the cash shop.
The fact that they didn't assure us of a 'vanity only' stance for a week during the shit storm shows a lot. It would have been real easy to communicate that and it would have taken away the worries of many people. It took time to decide that though. I have no doubt that the player protests and unsubs had a big effect on that. It also made them rethink their communication protocols which was direly needed.
Anyway, good thing it will be vanity only.
Fully agree.
I think there are some at CCP who think a cash shop is a good idea and some who don't, and it was the player that made the difference.
This might also be why, at some point and time, someone thought a CSM might come in handy.
So I take it you like the privilege of having to pay a subscription so you can test pre alpha builds of another games engine? Most people angry at the loss of the hanger do not really care about ship spinning itself they resent the state the captains quarters was in when it was shoveled out of the door.
They resent its poor performance, they resent the fact that many EVE players tend to do other things with their PCs when docked, they resent the way its performance issues are even worse with multiple clients running and they also hate the fact that if you turn it off you get a terrible low res picture of a brown door. Having to load CQ every time you dock really impacts some players performance, its especially annoying when you dock to say pick up a single item.
The problems are not really limited to older or less high end machines, some people with bleeding edge machines have huge problems yet others with less powerful machines have fewer problems. The problems are caused purely by bad optimisation because the Incarna engine is a test engine for World of Darkness yet EVE players have to pay for this rubbish.
Losing the hanger also impacted functionality, with station environments turned off for example you cannot see directly which ship you are flying and have to open a ships cargo to place things inside, these are two examples of how you don't need more clicks in an already difficult UI.
Its not like the captains quarters are actually any good, there is nothing to do, nothing to customise, you cant even change whats displayed on the screen and as for clothes we where given the choice of less than 10 items which where all loltastically overpriced.
So EVE players where forced to use a rubbish captains quarters which has no functionality and took functionality away and has dreadful optimization issues.
I think EVE players where justified in being angry and it was no "tantrum".
This.
Plus if the CQ actually added anything to the game other then being able to stare at yourself in the mirror while wearing your monocle I could see the arguements, but staring at a tv while sitting on a couch is not really what I call moving forward gameplay. Spinning spaceship in a spaceship game, or looking at avatar wearing your mt'd quafe shirt and monocle, and your picking the mirror as adding immersion?
I'm not sure what the guy is talking about in reference to the poor state of CQs, ran fine for me, loads fairly fast to, can't relate on those complaints (my pc is junk to). You two are exactly what I was talking about though, you're wanting the game to stagnate, at least that's the way I see it.
People pay a sub to EVE to play EVE, which nothing has changed about what EVE has always been, they're only trying to expand on what EVE is. I'm not going to call you names, but I do find the arguments you're making to be ridiculous at best idiotic at worse. Before you run for the report button, I'm attacking your agrument not you.
You're acting as though the only plans for incarna are the CQ's, which is disingeuous. CCP obviously wants to expand the experience EVE offers, they want it to be more than a "space ship game". What is wrong with that?
They've explained in detail how they are rolling these features out and the why of it. If you haven't bothered to inform yourself, or just plain ignore the reasoning, I don't know what to tell you. Get over it?
This kind of backwards thinking is not only what will ruin EVE and it's true potential, but it's the same type of thinking that has lead to a stagnation in this entire market. Progress is a good thing, moving things into new unexplored ground is a good thing, letting things wither away and die is not.
Fairly fast and how it used to are two different things though, optimization issues can be found in the tech support thread on Eve's forum, no point in repeating whats been said over and over. CCP added the option to turn it off because of performance issues with the plan that once they fixed these issues they would remove it. Not because of the Spinny Ship things.
From This Thread:
"We were pleased when Torfi announced that the current "Disabled Incarna Door" will be replaced with an environment that will provide similar functionality and performance to the pre-Incarna Hangar, and this environment will be available until Incarna performance is similar to pre-Incarna performance."
Whether you choose to admit they are their or not atleast the devolopers are willing to. I have no issue with moving forward I was looking forward to Incarna but in the end it was underwhelming to say the least. When its all there and they work out the kinks I'll most likely be happy with the changes.
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Who is talking about that? He replied to my post which was in reference to the immersive features people are attempting to hold back, such as incarna as a whole, which could bring in a wealth of new players as well as income for CCP.
If you can't be bothered to read both posts in a conversation why bother replying at all?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Excuse me...but what game company forces you to play it - ever?
Well I don't know what idiot would not want such features. Which is why I believe this thread was just about the things we all know shouldn't be in the game. Why post such obvious things? Of course we all want the non-cash shop features!? Who said we didn't?
Fully agreeing with this.
You can bet your ass that there have been some long and heated meetings before the CSM even landed in order to establish a readjusted strategy in regards to the cash shop.
The fact that they didn't assure us of a 'vanity only' stance for a week during the shit storm shows a lot. It would have been real easy to communicate that and it would have taken away the worries of many people. It took time to decide that though. I have no doubt that the player protests and unsubs had a big effect on that. It also made them rethink their communication protocols which was direly needed.
Anyway, good thing it will be vanity only.
My brand new bloggity blog.
Excuse me. What post forced you to reply? See what I did? You can't help yourself.
Read the post I originally replied to (2nd page)..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Alright, found the post about the "spinning ships" and such. I apologize to you, good sir. You have to understand, I go into a blind rage about cash shops and sometimes read posts that were really about something else.
If that's what you saw I'm glad I have my eyes and not yours.
Np
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
It's cool. What I said can be applied to both cases easily :-P
I don't have to, that's why it's extra.
Anything from item shop can be bought with ISK so your point(did you actually make any?) is moot.
PS: Monocles are cool.
Sure there were people who did the right thing, however for every person who did, there were 4-5 who did nothing but spread hysteria all over forums. Which accomplished nothing what so ever. Those who did the right thing did so by hitting CCP where it hurt, subscriptions.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Monocles are not cool. And so is being a wannabe hipster. Yes, hispters wear monocles now.
So I take it you like the privilege of having to pay a subscription so you can test pre alpha builds of another games engine? Most people angry at the loss of the hanger do not really care about ship spinning itself they resent the state the captains quarters was in when it was shoveled out of the door.
They resent its poor performance, they resent the fact that many EVE players tend to do other things with their PCs when docked, they resent the way its performance issues are even worse with multiple clients running and they also hate the fact that if you turn it off you get a terrible low res picture of a brown door. Having to load CQ every time you dock really impacts some players performance, its especially annoying when you dock to say pick up a single item.
The problems are not really limited to older or less high end machines, some people with bleeding edge machines have huge problems yet others with less powerful machines have fewer problems. The problems are caused purely by bad optimisation because the Incarna engine is a test engine for World of Darkness yet EVE players have to pay for this rubbish.
Losing the hanger also impacted functionality, with station environments turned off for example you cannot see directly which ship you are flying and have to open a ships cargo to place things inside, these are two examples of how you don't need more clicks in an already difficult UI.
Its not like the captains quarters are actually any good, there is nothing to do, nothing to customise, you cant even change whats displayed on the screen and as for clothes we where given the choice of less than 10 items which where all loltastically overpriced.
So EVE players where forced to use a rubbish captains quarters which has no functionality and took functionality away and has dreadful optimization issues.
I think EVE players where justified in being angry and it was no "tantrum".
Currently playing:
EVE online (Ruining low sec one hotdrop at a time)
Gravity Rush,
Dishonoured: The Knife of Dunwall.
(Waiting for) Metro: Last Light,
Company of Heroes II.
This.
Plus if the CQ actually added anything to the game other then being able to stare at yourself in the mirror while wearing your monocle I could see the arguements, but staring at a tv while sitting on a couch is not really what I call moving forward gameplay. Spinning spaceship in a spaceship game, or looking at avatar wearing your mt'd quafe shirt and monocle, and your picking the mirror as adding immersion?
BestSigEver :P
So the war is over now? Yay!
I hope it stays a truce, so current EVE players are happy and continue paying. I just want CCP to be able to fully fund their next project and not have to take shortcuts because 100k EvE fans quit.
World of Darkness.. full speed ahead!
"TO MICHAEL!"
I started watching the video link and didn't understand what I was watching. Even after watching for a while my brain wouldn't allow me to accept what these two people were actually discussing. This was the most embarrassing mmo video I have ever seen.
The player talking to someone at the actual game company of the game he plays? Absolutely mind blowing that someone at this company crunched the numbers so minutely to figure out how many insignificant players like this random player existed, and then to know that if they watch these players mouths move up and down for a while that their game would do even better is incredible.
The insignificant player representative should concentrate on progressing his real life instead of flying to game companies and wasting his time telling them things they really don't care about at all. How could anyone watching this video not be embarrassed to the point of turning it off well before finish?
I am downloading this game and will try it for the first time tonight. If a company operates to this extent I will defenitely support them.
So- the servers CCP have are pretty kick ass. Makes you wonder what else can be accomplished. Well done CSM.
EVE is the only game that allows players to have direct communication with the company; I like that. I like the fact that they were held accountable for this recent mess and have owned up for their part in it. Way to make them accountable Mittani.
Does this mean that I'm re-subbing? I don't know yet. I am waiting to see what Funcom is going to do in the next few weeks. If the Secret World is coming out soon, its not going to be worth it to re-sub EVE since I will be playing that. Right now I am playing the HGL OBeta and having fun with it.
Good job overall, to the community, to the CSM and the EVE devs as well.
Kudo's.
I think the video was a brilliant move. Lets be honest, we gamers aren't the best when it comes to camera or acting.
Having the video meant eveyone could see the body language and a better indication of whether the 'dev blog' was a PR spin or not. My judgement is that it wasn't just by looking at how 'The Mittani / CCP' was relaxed and frank about the whole thing.
Happy with the video and how it all turned out, pity the CSM had to fly to Iceland for the 3rd time in 3 months because CCP can't communicate very well.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Really? CCP is saying the exact same thing they said after your world ended a week ago. That the internal newsletter was not to be taken seriously, and they had ZERO plans to add anything except vanity items.
Show one item where CCP has backpedaled.
I'm not sure what the guy is talking about in reference to the poor state of CQs, ran fine for me, loads fairly fast to, can't relate on those complaints (my pc is junk to). You two are exactly what I was talking about though, you're wanting the game to stagnate, at least that's the way I see it.
People pay a sub to EVE to play EVE, which nothing has changed about what EVE has always been, they're only trying to expand on what EVE is. I'm not going to call you names, but I do find the arguments you're making to be ridiculous at best idiotic at worse. Before you run for the report button, I'm attacking your agrument not you.
You're acting as though the only plans for incarna are the CQ's, which is disingeuous. CCP obviously wants to expand the experience EVE offers, they want it to be more than a "space ship game". What is wrong with that?
They've explained in detail how they are rolling these features out and the why of it. If you haven't bothered to inform yourself, or just plain ignore the reasoning, I don't know what to tell you. Get over it?
This kind of backwards thinking is not only what will ruin EVE and it's true potential, but it's the same type of thinking that has lead to a stagnation in this entire market. Progress is a good thing, moving things into new unexplored ground is a good thing, letting things wither away and die is not.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
This *should* mean the "war" is over. But remember - just a mere 2 percent of the player base actually post in the forums, leaving the voices of 98% in silence. I'm quite sure those 98% are quite happy playing eve. I'm also pretty sure that we will still have a vocal minority here on the forums that will "refuse to go silently into the night". To me it seem some people will use any grain or straw to vent their grudge and discontent.
It started with a letter. It exploded with "do not listen to players, only look at their actions". A side kick was the price on the vanity items (60 dollars for monocles). Then the people screaming "the sky is falling" and saying CCP will not stop at vanity items in their cash shops.
Now they have gotten some pretty unique statements and video that should relieve some of their angst. However, some are now raising their fist about spinning ships and pixel doors in the Captain Quarters...
See you in a few months when this has blown away.
Fully agree.
I think there are some at CCP who think a cash shop is a good idea and some who don't, and it was the player that made the difference.
This might also be why, at some point and time, someone thought a CSM might come in handy.
To the CSM
Fairly fast and how it used to are two different things though, optimization issues can be found in the tech support thread on Eve's forum, no point in repeating whats been said over and over. CCP added the option to turn it off because of performance issues with the plan that once they fixed these issues they would remove it. Not because of the Spinny Ship things.
From This Thread:
"We were pleased when Torfi announced that the current "Disabled Incarna Door" will be replaced with an environment that will provide similar functionality and performance to the pre-Incarna Hangar, and this environment will be available until Incarna performance is similar to pre-Incarna performance."
Whether you choose to admit they are their or not atleast the devolopers are willing to. I have no issue with moving forward I was looking forward to Incarna but in the end it was underwhelming to say the least. When its all there and they work out the kinks I'll most likely be happy with the changes.