Meh. I don't want the figurine or the soundtracks or the journal. Just all the digital items.
Wish they had a "Digital Collectors Edition" that included all the digital extras for like $80-$100.
That would be the Digital Deluxe Edition. It's $80 and has all of the same digital items except for the Collector's Edition store and the mouse droid.
Add the store and it'd be worth $80, IMO.
If you want the Collector's Edition store, then buy the Coillector's Edition. That's the point.
Like I said, I don't want the figurine, journal, and soundtracks. It'd be nice to just get ALL the digital items in some Digital CE, rather than a watered down deluxe edition.
I guess the argument here though is that there are too few options here. It is pretty much Luxury and Economy class, with no options for in between. I think, I don't know I don't really care about the price, but I think that is why people are upset.
They're upset because they want the Ferrari but are only willing to pay for the Lexus.
Bioware are drawing clear distinctions between the CE, the Digital Deluxe and the base game. The game itself is the same in all three editions. What's different are the added luxuries you get depending on how much you pay.
You really think most people are delluded enough to think they can get more for less? While I'm sure everyone, even those who ordered the CE would have loved to see it cheaper (who doesn't love to save money), I think what people wanted was a lot more options.
Looking at the Prices there was $60, $80 and $150, now I'll bet had they offered something at $70 and something at $90 or $100 a lot of people would have dropped the dough, none of those would have had the toy of course, but I think most people understand the "pay more get more" concept, They actually probably wanted to pay more, but only had three options, and had to pick the one that best fit them, while adding two other options, especially if one of those just had digital items wouldn't really have cost EA/Bioware more, but would have made them more money.
Giving options to the consumer is not greedy, nor is it ever a bad idea, unless that option is to do business some where else. The "Take or leave it" attitude often results in a lot who choose to "leave it".
Now before someone tries to put words in my mouth, I'm not saying the options they gave were greedy or that they are "evil" or any some such, all I'm saying is that it would have been smarter to have more options.
Looking at the Prices there was $60, $80 and $150, now I'll bet had they offered something at $70 and something at $90 or $100 a lot of people would have dropped the dough, none of those would have had the toy of course, but I think most people understand the "pay more get more" concept, They actually probably wanted to pay more, but only had three options, and had to pick the one that best fit them, while adding two other options, especially if one of those just had digital items wouldn't really have cost EA/Bioware more, but would have made them more money.
It would have cost them more money. Every extra edition of TOR = another edition that has to be produced and accounted for.
It would have created too many an options for consumers for no good reason. They're offering the base game, a digital version with a few bonus goodies, and a massive CE for the serious fan. That's more than reasonable. There's no reason to offer more than that.
Are people actually complaining about a luxury item being expensive? I could understand if there were no cheaper alternatives, but come on people. If it isn't worth $150.00 to you, then don't buy it. It isn't meant to be for everyone.
Maybe some of you are not old enough to remember but dropping a c-note for a game is not something new. Hell I remember dropping $100 for a copy of Phantasy Star IV 18 years ago. I was 20 at the time and I was happy with my purchase. I still have my original copy. I'm sure some people would have never paid such a price in 1993, but what others were willing to spend was not my concern at the time.
And recently I've noticed that CE for console games frequently hit $100 and above. So it really is telling how far behind the curve most mmo players are. On one hand you have many mmo players still bitching about the $15 we pay for subscription fees and on the other you have those that really understand how much bang for the buck we get for our entertainment dollar. The price has to start increasing at some point and starting with a CE that's on par with console prices seems fine with me.
Besides, it's not like you have to pay for a CE. Last time I checked it's a strictly voluntary decision. I know I'll be marked down for having one. I love me some Star Wars and the perks seem to be better than most mmo CEs I've seem so far.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Are people actually complaining about a luxury item being expensive? I could understand if there were no cheaper alternatives, but come on people. If it isn't worth $150.00 to you, then don't buy it. It isn't meant to be for everyone.
If you ask me, no one cares about it *except* the fact that the price raises some eyebrows. In other words, is this a portent of things to come? Crazy cash grab item shop? Extra high subscription price?
I mean, we hear so much about how much has been invested in the game, how many box sales will be needed to break even, blah, blah, blah.
So, I think people are worried that this means that the TOR experience might be tainted by a "nickle and dime us" attitude.
Then again, it might be that is not even close to what the actual case may be. But... my guess is that's what folks are really worried about. In other words, this appears to be a cash grab even before the game is released. What happens AFTER it's released then?
Again, not saying this perception is accurate, but I sure understand why people might think along those lines. Don't you?
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it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience
because it lacks a few features you prefer."
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the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you
playing an MMORPG?"
Looking at the Prices there was $60, $80 and $150, now I'll bet had they offered something at $70 and something at $90 or $100 a lot of people would have dropped the dough, none of those would have had the toy of course, but I think most people understand the "pay more get more" concept, They actually probably wanted to pay more, but only had three options, and had to pick the one that best fit them, while adding two other options, especially if one of those just had digital items wouldn't really have cost EA/Bioware more, but would have made them more money.
...
I'm hardly a marketing guy, but I think if they'd offered TOO many versions (as you suggest here) it would have simply lead to confusion. Then people on these forums wouldn't be complaining about "not enough choice" but they'd be LOL'ing about how there were too many choices...
Most games offer 2 versions - standard and collector's. EA/BioWare is offering 3.
If you ask me, no one cares about it *except* the fact that the price raises some eyebrows. In other words, is this a portent of things to come? Crazy cash grab item shop? Extra high subscription price?
The sub price will be the same regardless of what edition of the game you buy. The only difference is the bonus goodies you get depending on how much you pay.
Even though this type of figurine starts at 75.00 and goes up towards 200.00 on its own for these types of products I would say thats an average price for this CE.
Maybe some of you are not old enough to remember but dropping a c-note for a game is not something new. Hell I remember dropping $100 for a copy of Phantasy Star IV 18 years ago. I was 20 at the time and I was happy with my purchase. I still have my original copy. I'm sure some people would have never paid such a price in 1993, but what others were willing to spend was not my concern at the time.
And recently I've noticed that CE for console games frequently hit $100 and above. So it really is telling how far behind the curve most mmo players are. On one hand you have many mmo players still bitching about the $15 we pay for subscription fees and on the other you have those that really understand how much bang for the buck we get for our entertainment dollar. The price has to start increasing at some point and starting with a CE that's on par with console prices seems fine with me.
Besides, it's not like you have to pay for a CE. Last time I checked it's a strictly voluntary decision. I know I'll be marked down for having one. I love me some Star Wars and the perks seem to be better than most mmo CEs I've seem so far.
This is a fair point and why a lot of games are going with the F2P model. For some reason we rail against a higher subscription price, but not a cash shop because it's "voluntary". Even though everything else under the sun is more expensive than it was ten years ago.
I suppose we must then consider the possibility that Bioware will ultimately go the STO route. Subs, cash shops, high powered items as shop exclusives. A premium game at a decidedly premium price.
What angers me about this is, a) they convert 1 Dollar = 1 Euro, and thats just absurd. The CE costs 215 Dollar in Germany if you take the Euro-Dollar conversion of today.
b) I don't care about a silly figurine, but I want the rest. I don't want a download game. I mean, heck its Star Wars! I want a box and stuff to touch here! So I am kinda pissed there is no medium edition, between the expensive CE and the normal one as a box. I love the map and the soundtrack above all, but I pay about 60 dollars extra for a figurine I don't want. I say that smells.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
People really freak to much on price changes, and this in no way hints at them moving to a diffrent payment model then traditional MMOs, honoestly I think if they did change to cash shops and stuff, the game would dramatically fail.
What angers me about this is, a) they convert 1 Dollar = 1 Euro, and thats just absurd. The CE costs 215 Dollar in Germany if you take the Euro-Dollar conversion of today.
b) I don't care about a silly figurine, but I want the rest. I don't want a download game. I mean, heck its Star Wars! I want a box and stuff to touch here! So I am kinda pissed there is no medium edition, between the expensive CE and the normal one as a box. I love the map and the soundtrack above all, but I pay about 60 dollars extra for a figurine I don't want. I say that smells.
I'm hardly a marketing guy, but I think if they'd offered TOO many versions (as you suggest here) it would have simply lead to confusion. Then people on these forums wouldn't be complaining about "not enough choice" but they'd be LOL'ing about how there were too many choices...
Most games offer 2 versions - standard and collector's. EA/BioWare is offering 3.
I *am* a marketing person and this is the whole point.
If Bioware had offered say five versions of the game -- $60 base game, $80 digital, $100 Fan Edition (i.e., the physical CE without the statue) , $100 digital CE (i.e., the CE without the physcial items) , and the $150 CE -- this would have been too many.
It's about simplicity. Bioware are offering three editions of the game. That's more than enough. Anything else and it just gets too complicated.
Collector's Edition is SOLD OUT on their American site, Thanks for arguing!
I'm going to lazily look over at my cyanide pill now that the realization that people actually let EA milk the industry for all its worth.
Game experience that you really don't(and shouldn't) care about:
Everqest,Everquest Online Adventures,Star Wars Galaxies,Dark Age of Camelot,Everquest 2,World of Warcraft,Pirates of the Burning Sea,Age of Conan,Aion, Rift.
What angers me about this is, a) they convert 1 Dollar = 1 Euro, and thats just absurd. The CE costs 215 Dollar in Germany if you take the Euro-Dollar conversion of today.
b) I don't care about a silly figurine, but I want the rest. I don't want a download game. I mean, heck its Star Wars! I want a box and stuff to touch here! So I am kinda pissed there is no medium edition, between the expensive CE and the normal one as a box. I love the map and the soundtrack above all, but I pay about 60 dollars extra for a figurine I don't want. I say that smells.
Resell the figure?
^this. The figure will likely net you back a portion of the total. Maybe not 60$, but you never know.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
What angers me about this is, a) they convert 1 Dollar = 1 Euro, and thats just absurd. The CE costs 215 Dollar in Germany if you take the Euro-Dollar conversion of today.
b) I don't care about a silly figurine, but I want the rest. I don't want a download game. I mean, heck its Star Wars! I want a box and stuff to touch here! So I am kinda pissed there is no medium edition, between the expensive CE and the normal one as a box. I love the map and the soundtrack above all, but I pay about 60 dollars extra for a figurine I don't want. I say that smells.
Resell the figure?
Wanna buy?
Yeah, I plan to. Still, it's kinda silly. And one ugly Sith Lord... meh. I can imagine many SW figurines I'd care about but not Darth Malgus.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
What angers me about this is, a) they convert 1 Dollar = 1 Euro, and thats just absurd. The CE costs 215 Dollar in Germany if you take the Euro-Dollar conversion of today.
b) I don't care about a silly figurine, but I want the rest. I don't want a download game. I mean, heck its Star Wars! I want a box and stuff to touch here! So I am kinda pissed there is no medium edition, between the expensive CE and the normal one as a box. I love the map and the soundtrack above all, but I pay about 60 dollars extra for a figurine I don't want. I say that smells.
Resell the figure?
Wanna buy?
Yeah, I plan to. Still, it's kinda silly. And one ugly Sith Lord... meh. I can imagine many SW figurines I'd care about but not Darth Malgus.
I would have to agree, and I'm not interested in buying. Every time I get some sort of figure or toy or something with a game purchase, my wife looks at me funny.
Apparently Tyrannosaurus Skull Replicas are okay, but a statue of yoda is a no-go.
Originally posted by Leoghan Originally posted by Lidane
Originally posted by Leoghan I guess the argument here though is that there are too few options here. It is pretty much Luxury and Economy class, with no options for in between. I think, I don't know I don't really care about the price, but I think that is why people are upset.
They're upset because they want the Ferrari but are only willing to pay for the Lexus. Bioware are drawing clear distinctions between the CE, the Digital Deluxe and the base game. The game itself is the same in all three editions. What's different are the added luxuries you get depending on how much you pay. You really think most people are delluded enough to think they can get more for less? While I'm sure everyone, even those who ordered the CE would have loved to see it cheaper (who doesn't love to save money), I think what people wanted was a lot more options.
Looking at the Prices there was $60, $80 and $150, now I'll bet had they offered something at $70 and something at $90 or $100 a lot of people would have dropped the dough, none of those would have had the toy of course, but I think most people understand the "pay more get more" concept, They actually probably wanted to pay more, but only had three options, and had to pick the one that best fit them, while adding two other options, especially if one of those just had digital items wouldn't really have cost EA/Bioware more, but would have made them more money.
Giving options to the consumer is not greedy, nor is it ever a bad idea, unless that option is to do business some where else. The "Take or leave it" attitude often results in a lot who choose to "leave it". Now before someone tries to put words in my mouth, I'm not saying the options they gave were greedy or that they are "evil" or any some such, all I'm saying is that it would have been smarter to have more options. Maybe a lot more people would have bought it at 110 but the truth is 150 on origins has sold out. They can't do better than sell out.
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what
it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience
because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in
the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you
playing an MMORPG?"
What angers me about this is, a) they convert 1 Dollar = 1 Euro, and thats just absurd. The CE costs 215 Dollar in Germany if you take the Euro-Dollar conversion of today.
b) I don't care about a silly figurine, but I want the rest. I don't want a download game. I mean, heck its Star Wars! I want a box and stuff to touch here! So I am kinda pissed there is no medium edition, between the expensive CE and the normal one as a box. I love the map and the soundtrack above all, but I pay about 60 dollars extra for a figurine I don't want. I say that smells.
Resell the figure?
Wanna buy?
Yeah, I plan to. Still, it's kinda silly. And one ugly Sith Lord... meh. I can imagine many SW figurines I'd care about but not Darth Malgus.
lol yea same here. would have been nice if there was atleast a choice of statue. would have liked the trooper or smuggler from the trailers more. although there was a statue of the BH from Deceived for sale awhile ago.
hmm was going to link it but starwars.com store seems to closed.
What angers me about this is, a) they convert 1 Dollar = 1 Euro, and thats just absurd. The CE costs 215 Dollar in Germany if you take the Euro-Dollar conversion of today.
b) I don't care about a silly figurine, but I want the rest. I don't want a download game. I mean, heck its Star Wars! I want a box and stuff to touch here! So I am kinda pissed there is no medium edition, between the expensive CE and the normal one as a box. I love the map and the soundtrack above all, but I pay about 60 dollars extra for a figurine I don't want. I say that smells.
Resell the figure?
Wanna buy?
Yeah, I plan to. Still, it's kinda silly. And one ugly Sith Lord... meh. I can imagine many SW figurines I'd care about but not Darth Malgus.
I would have to agree, and I'm not interested in buying. Every time I get some sort of figure or toy or something with a game purchase, my wife looks at me funny.
Apparently Tyrannosaurus Skull Replicas are okay, but a statue of yoda is a no-go.
Your wife's got some freak in her!
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
I think people are butt hurt thats all. i mean sure i will be playing 6 days before regular people but at least they offered something. BTW had 3 offers for around 4000 Us Dollars for my CE but meh not selling. 10k maybe but not 4 come on.
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Like I said, I don't want the figurine, journal, and soundtracks. It'd be nice to just get ALL the digital items in some Digital CE, rather than a watered down deluxe edition.
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You really think most people are delluded enough to think they can get more for less? While I'm sure everyone, even those who ordered the CE would have loved to see it cheaper (who doesn't love to save money), I think what people wanted was a lot more options.
Looking at the Prices there was $60, $80 and $150, now I'll bet had they offered something at $70 and something at $90 or $100 a lot of people would have dropped the dough, none of those would have had the toy of course, but I think most people understand the "pay more get more" concept, They actually probably wanted to pay more, but only had three options, and had to pick the one that best fit them, while adding two other options, especially if one of those just had digital items wouldn't really have cost EA/Bioware more, but would have made them more money.
Giving options to the consumer is not greedy, nor is it ever a bad idea, unless that option is to do business some where else. The "Take or leave it" attitude often results in a lot who choose to "leave it".
Now before someone tries to put words in my mouth, I'm not saying the options they gave were greedy or that they are "evil" or any some such, all I'm saying is that it would have been smarter to have more options.
It would have cost them more money. Every extra edition of TOR = another edition that has to be produced and accounted for.
It would have created too many an options for consumers for no good reason. They're offering the base game, a digital version with a few bonus goodies, and a massive CE for the serious fan. That's more than reasonable. There's no reason to offer more than that.
Are people actually complaining about a luxury item being expensive? I could understand if there were no cheaper alternatives, but come on people. If it isn't worth $150.00 to you, then don't buy it. It isn't meant to be for everyone.
Maybe some of you are not old enough to remember but dropping a c-note for a game is not something new. Hell I remember dropping $100 for a copy of Phantasy Star IV 18 years ago. I was 20 at the time and I was happy with my purchase. I still have my original copy. I'm sure some people would have never paid such a price in 1993, but what others were willing to spend was not my concern at the time.
And recently I've noticed that CE for console games frequently hit $100 and above. So it really is telling how far behind the curve most mmo players are. On one hand you have many mmo players still bitching about the $15 we pay for subscription fees and on the other you have those that really understand how much bang for the buck we get for our entertainment dollar. The price has to start increasing at some point and starting with a CE that's on par with console prices seems fine with me.
Besides, it's not like you have to pay for a CE. Last time I checked it's a strictly voluntary decision. I know I'll be marked down for having one. I love me some Star Wars and the perks seem to be better than most mmo CEs I've seem so far.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Back in the 80s (84/85) Star Wars was released on VHS tape. Does anyone remember the extreme price that tape sold for?
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Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
I'm hardly a marketing guy, but I think if they'd offered TOO many versions (as you suggest here) it would have simply lead to confusion. Then people on these forums wouldn't be complaining about "not enough choice" but they'd be LOL'ing about how there were too many choices...
Most games offer 2 versions - standard and collector's. EA/BioWare is offering 3.
The sub price will be the same regardless of what edition of the game you buy. The only difference is the bonus goodies you get depending on how much you pay.
Why is this so hard for people to understand?
Even though this type of figurine starts at 75.00 and goes up towards 200.00 on its own for these types of products I would say thats an average price for this CE.
What angers me about this is, a) they convert 1 Dollar = 1 Euro, and thats just absurd. The CE costs 215 Dollar in Germany if you take the Euro-Dollar conversion of today.
b) I don't care about a silly figurine, but I want the rest. I don't want a download game. I mean, heck its Star Wars! I want a box and stuff to touch here! So I am kinda pissed there is no medium edition, between the expensive CE and the normal one as a box. I love the map and the soundtrack above all, but I pay about 60 dollars extra for a figurine I don't want. I say that smells.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
People really freak to much on price changes, and this in no way hints at them moving to a diffrent payment model then traditional MMOs, honoestly I think if they did change to cash shops and stuff, the game would dramatically fail.
Mess with the best, Die like the rest
Resell the figure?
I *am* a marketing person and this is the whole point.
If Bioware had offered say five versions of the game -- $60 base game, $80 digital, $100 Fan Edition (i.e., the physical CE without the statue) , $100 digital CE (i.e., the CE without the physcial items) , and the $150 CE -- this would have been too many.
It's about simplicity. Bioware are offering three editions of the game. That's more than enough. Anything else and it just gets too complicated.
Collector's Edition is SOLD OUT on their American site, Thanks for arguing!
I'm going to lazily look over at my cyanide pill now that the realization that people actually let EA milk the industry for all its worth.
Game experience that you really don't(and shouldn't) care about:
Everqest,Everquest Online Adventures,Star Wars Galaxies,Dark Age of Camelot,Everquest 2,World of Warcraft,Pirates of the Burning Sea,Age of Conan,Aion, Rift.
^this. The figure will likely net you back a portion of the total. Maybe not 60$, but you never know.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
Wanna buy?
Yeah, I plan to. Still, it's kinda silly. And one ugly Sith Lord... meh. I can imagine many SW figurines I'd care about but not Darth Malgus.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
If I were to get the CE I would likely sell the mini Malgus statue. Its hard to say if the value will go up in time though.
I would have to agree, and I'm not interested in buying. Every time I get some sort of figure or toy or something with a game purchase, my wife looks at me funny.
Apparently Tyrannosaurus Skull Replicas are okay, but a statue of yoda is a no-go.
Bioware are drawing clear distinctions between the CE, the Digital Deluxe and the base game. The game itself is the same in all three editions. What's different are the added luxuries you get depending on how much you pay.
You really think most people are delluded enough to think they can get more for less? While I'm sure everyone, even those who ordered the CE would have loved to see it cheaper (who doesn't love to save money), I think what people wanted was a lot more options.
Looking at the Prices there was $60, $80 and $150, now I'll bet had they offered something at $70 and something at $90 or $100 a lot of people would have dropped the dough, none of those would have had the toy of course, but I think most people understand the "pay more get more" concept, They actually probably wanted to pay more, but only had three options, and had to pick the one that best fit them, while adding two other options, especially if one of those just had digital items wouldn't really have cost EA/Bioware more, but would have made them more money.
Giving options to the consumer is not greedy, nor is it ever a bad idea, unless that option is to do business some where else. The "Take or leave it" attitude often results in a lot who choose to "leave it".
Now before someone tries to put words in my mouth, I'm not saying the options they gave were greedy or that they are "evil" or any some such, all I'm saying is that it would have been smarter to have more options.
Maybe a lot more people would have bought it at 110 but the truth is 150 on origins has sold out. They can't do better than sell out.
Epic Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAigCvelkhQ&list=PLo9FRw1AkDuQLEz7Gvvaz3ideB2NpFtT1
https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_msdos?&sort=-downloads&page=1
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
lol yea same here. would have been nice if there was atleast a choice of statue. would have liked the trooper or smuggler from the trailers more. although there was a statue of the BH from Deceived for sale awhile ago.
hmm was going to link it but starwars.com store seems to closed.
edit: ah found it at the official site
http://www.swtor.com/news/news-article/20100609_002-0
there had been like 900 made
Your wife's got some freak in her!
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
Honestly bro, unless there is sarcasm here,
You ain't gotta lie to kick it here...