They also like to go to other forums on this site and "preach the faith" to the unbelievers. I haven't really noticed many other fans of any mmo do this.
Do you notice your own posts from time to time? Only strictly SWTOR-fans seem to be coming to the GW2 forum and behave like this. Those were of course the 2 most eagerly awaited MMO's of the moment. SWTOR's hype level isn't enough to really keep it at the top of the rankings anymore though and I guess that's why "SWTOR only"-fans feel most like they need to start throwing dirt at other games.
It's gotten pretty bad after the "why SWTOR doesn't excite me"-feature and it doesn't make SWTOR look any better than it does, quite the contrary. You're only turning away people that are considering playing SWTOR with this type of behavior, you do realize that, don't you?
Do you seriously think that I am going to have any serious effect on whether or not people play SWTOR?
A critic is anyone who expresses a value judgement. Informally, criticism is a common aspect of all human expression and need not necessarily imply skilled or accurate expressions of judgement. Critical judgements, good or bad, may be positive (in praise of an object of attention), negative (in dispraise), or balanced (weighing a combination of factors both for and against). Since all criticism must be regarded as having a purpose, a critic may also be definable by his or her specific motivation. At its simplest, and for whatever reason, a critic may have either constructive or destructive intent.
critic - A person who expresses an unfavorable opinion of something.
critic - one given to harsh or captious judgment
critic - a person given to harsh judgments and to finding faults
critic - a person who makes or expresses a judgment on the quality of offerings in some field of endeavor
Maybe you can start a petition to change the defintion to better suit your tastes.
"Update: This warrants an update. No where in this entry did I say WvWvW was out of the game. No where did I express any malcontent towards GW2 or Arenanet. No where did I make any claims that I have done research into the game so far as to check leak sites to see that WvWvW is in the game (see comments for the map link), so I reserve the right to be ignorant on what is not officially shown. To some of you I say welcome to a blog, a place where the author makes statements of opinion more often than statements of fact. I reserve the right to be wrong and I reserve the right to change my mind. This should go without saying. Now, I want to make it very clear that the content of this particular blog entry looks upon GW2 favorably. The frothing hatred that some of you displayed towards me for whatever reason makes me feel sorry for you — my heart goes out to your families. All I did, and continue to do at the time of this writing, was point out the interesting and quite unfortunate focus on arenas and battlegrounds and express my dislike for those particular forms of PvP in almost all MMO’s all the while wishing that we saw more of a PvP form I like. I would like to make it clear that I enjoy persistent open-world PvP with dynamic objectives and far-reaching consequences. I am likely preaching to the choir since the flames are likely coming from those who did not read a word of this entry anyway."
The funny part is nowhere in there does the author of the articles you presented call himself or herself a critic. In fact the author even says this is a blog and in this blog the author will make statements of opinion more often than statements of fact. That makes me wonder why you have such a crusade going to have this self proclaimed blogger named a critic and not just someone on the net sharing their opinion?
Oh and I guess since bloggers are now considered official game critics that means Sidhaethe is a critic now since you can see her blog here. Oh and everyone else on this site go out and make a blog so we can all be official game critics that everyone should pay attention too!
Originally posted by Atlan99
Guild Wars 2 definitely seems to have the more rabid fanbase on this site. It's not even really close tbh.
They also like to go to other forums on this site and "preach the faith" to the unbelievers. I haven't really noticed many other fans of any mmo do this.
This is actually a really funny comment since in my time on this site I have seen the WoW, Rift, TOR, Eve, and the sandbox crowds preach the faith to convert the unbelievers. The fact that you did not see those posts is interesting; you must have a very good selective reading thing going on there!
And finally I would like to end this with what I said before in this thread only a fool takes advice from a critic that does not know what they hell they are talking about!
They also like to go to other forums on this site and "preach the faith" to the unbelievers. I haven't really noticed many other fans of any mmo do this.
Do you notice your own posts from time to time? Only strictly SWTOR-fans seem to be coming to the GW2 forum and behave like this. Those were of course the 2 most eagerly awaited MMO's of the moment. SWTOR's hype level isn't enough to really keep it at the top of the rankings anymore though and I guess that's why "SWTOR only"-fans feel most like they need to start throwing dirt at other games.
It's gotten pretty bad after the "why SWTOR doesn't excite me"-feature and it doesn't make SWTOR look any better than it does, quite the contrary. You're only turning away people that are considering playing SWTOR with this type of behavior, you do realize that, don't you?
I would give as much importance to 'why swtor doesn' excite me article' as i give to these two negative blogs about GW2. Both full of misplaced expectations and too much 'meme'. You really think articles like this can make game look good or bad? in the end it will be the opinions of buyers which will matter the most. For me the most relevant reviews are from an average gamer. it is their feedback that matters the most. But right now both GW2 and SWTOR fans are equally ridiculous.
Finally, players should be happy that we are leaving days of bad releases, unifinished products, over promised and under delieverd games behind. But no, we can never have good things right? if someone is negative let it be. Correct them if they are wrong but i see no reason to go on insulting back and forth for 20+ pages. And that is what happens on most of the topics here.
They also like to go to other forums on this site and "preach the faith" to the unbelievers. I haven't really noticed many other fans of any mmo do this.
Do you notice your own posts from time to time? Only strictly SWTOR-fans seem to be coming to the GW2 forum and behave like this. Those were of course the 2 most eagerly awaited MMO's of the moment. SWTOR's hype level isn't enough to really keep it at the top of the rankings anymore though and I guess that's why "SWTOR only"-fans feel most like they need to start throwing dirt at other games.
It's gotten pretty bad after the "why SWTOR doesn't excite me"-feature and it doesn't make SWTOR look any better than it does, quite the contrary. You're only turning away people that are considering playing SWTOR with this type of behavior, you do realize that, don't you?
I personally think both sides are looking pretty bad, you got fans of swtor saying GW2 fans are rabid and foaming at the mouth, then you have GW2 fans saying look at his sig hes an obvious SWTOR fan so that breaks all his creditbility because hes just trying to trash the game.
I've had this flung at me before when i mentioned a semi old article, everyone was attacking me and when the article was actually anaylized it was actually pretty close to accurate. Thats just an example though, i've had people post articles about swtor that fans disregarded but when i looked at it, i've also seen they were pretty accurate.
Both sides really need to calm down and relize both games will do well for what they are after, both are getting great reviews from people who played them, some have people worried about things, both have large followings. Naturally people will post blogs, but as there isn't any neccessity to have creditials to write a blog or any validity at all (see EA louse article as a prime example of this) then i take them with a grain of salt becuase at the end of the day. Does this one person's concern really mean anything to the game? So what if he doens't play, ooh GW2 loses a whole 1 or 2 people. I highly doubt this person has that much sway over the community as much as say...Totalbiscut does.
All of these critics, reviewers basing reviews on stuff they think a game should be rather then what it is, and placing out false info that just isn't true need to stop. It's not helping the idustry, it's just making a mess of everything.
At the end Atlan posted a couple of blogs he thought he would share. You can either say hmm i agree or no i disagree, but all this mud slinging back and forth is just making both communities look bad. Really too much attachment to games that haven't even released yet. Let the game speak for itself and stop worrying about what a person who might like or dislike the game writes on his blog.
To tell you the truth I don't care!!LOL In the end SWTOR will be a great game and GW2 will be a great game!!
A critic is anyone who expresses a value judgement. Informally, criticism is a common aspect of all human expression and need not necessarily imply skilled or accurate expressions of judgement. Critical judgements, good or bad, may be positive (in praise of an object of attention), negative (in dispraise), or balanced (weighing a combination of factors both for and against). Since all criticism must be regarded as having a purpose, a critic may also be definable by his or her specific motivation. At its simplest, and for whatever reason, a critic may have either constructive or destructive intent.
critic - A person who expresses an unfavorable opinion of something.
critic - one given to harsh or captious judgment
critic - a person given to harsh judgments and to finding faults
critic - a person who makes or expresses a judgment on the quality of offerings in some field of endeavor
Maybe you can start a petition to change the defintion to better suit your tastes.
"Update: This warrants an update. No where in this entry did I say WvWvW was out of the game. No where did I express any malcontent towards GW2 or Arenanet. No where did I make any claims that I have done research into the game so far as to check leak sites to see that WvWvW is in the game (see comments for the map link), so I reserve the right to be ignorant on what is not officially shown. To some of you I say welcome to a blog, a place where the author makes statements of opinion more often than statements of fact. I reserve the right to be wrong and I reserve the right to change my mind. This should go without saying. Now, I want to make it very clear that the content of this particular blog entry looks upon GW2 favorably. The frothing hatred that some of you displayed towards me for whatever reason makes me feel sorry for you — my heart goes out to your families. All I did, and continue to do at the time of this writing, was point out the interesting and quite unfortunate focus on arenas and battlegrounds and express my dislike for those particular forms of PvP in almost all MMO’s all the while wishing that we saw more of a PvP form I like. I would like to make it clear that I enjoy persistent open-world PvP with dynamic objectives and far-reaching consequences. I am likely preaching to the choir since the flames are likely coming from those who did not read a word of this entry anyway."
The funny part is nowhere in there does the author of the articles you presented call himself or herself a critic. In fact the author even says this is a blog and in this blog the author will make statements of opinion more often than statements of fact. That makes me wonder why you have such a crusade going to have this self proclaimed blogger a critic and not just someone on the net sharing their opinion?
Oh and I guess since bloggers are now considered official game critics that means Sidhaethe is a critic now since you can see her blog here. Oh and everyone else on this site go out and make a blog so we can all be official game critics that everyone should pay attention too!
Originally posted by Atlan99
Guild Wars 2 definitely seems to have the more rabid fanbase on this site. It's not even really close tbh.
They also like to go to other forums on this site and "preach the faith" to the unbelievers. I haven't really noticed many other fans of any mmo do this.
This is actually a really funny comment since in my time on this site I have seen the WoW, Rift, TOR, Eve, and the sandbox crowds preach the faith to convert the unbelievers. The fact that you did not see those posts is interesting; you must have a very good selective reading thing going on there!
And finally I would like to end this with what I said before in this thread only a fool takes advice from a critic that does not know what they hell they are talking about!
It's funny. No matter how many times I try to post the definition, it just doesn't sink in.
Everybody seems to be deadset that you need a critic badge or a critic diploma to be a critic.
Maybe if you tell yourself enough that critic means what you want it to, it will change the definition.
That update proves how rabid the Guild Wars 2 community is.
I love this mentallity, so typically internet in the 21th century
If people have a different opinion, just trash it.... Why should i have arguments and resoning to trash someones opinon if thats different then mine?
A nice detail, in the MMO scene it gets worse the closer these games come to release... So its obvious that these trashers and trolls are not the real fanboise that have been following development for years.... but it are those people that jump from game to game, and they need confirmation every time that they are meking the right choice in joining game A above game B..
So we all should stop taking these people very serious at all....
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
I used to like Keen and Graeve blogs but that time is gone because he's just turned into a whiner who's never satisfied,always complaining.Unfortunately a lot of those so called bloggers are turning into drama queens.
There are some few who are still good though.
In the land of Predators,the lion does not fear the jackals...
It's funny. No matter how many times I try to post the definition, it just doesn't sink in.
Everybody seems to be deadset that you need a critic badge or a critic diploma to be a critic.
Maybe if you tell yourself enough that critic means what you want it to, it will change the definition.
That update proves how rabid the Guild Wars 2 community is.
Yeah and it is funny that you keep ignoring this part of the definition too; (Literary & Literary Critical Terms) a professional judge of art, music, literature, etc.I don’t know about you but I see a word in there that says a professional. Where in the word professional does it mean not doing research for something you are going to write or talk about? The other great part is you keep ignoring the fact that the author calls himself or herself a blogger and not a critic. I guess since that means ever blogger is a critic, I can go start my own blog and start hammering this site with critics of the gaming industry, because apparently once you got a blog you’re a critic to be listened too.
Well you see a rabid fan base and I see someone that does not know the difference between wording a thread blogger worried about GW2 and critics worried about GW2.
Well you see a rabid fan base and I see someone that does not know the difference between wording a thread blogger worried about GW2 and critics worried about GW2.
Considering some really vile comments the blogger got from GW2 fans and the hate was really overwhelming, all this over a video game. So yeah i would go with the rabid part. not that SWTOR community is any better but such personal hate over a video game is really surprising.
critic - A person who expresses an unfavorable opinion of something.
critic - one given to harsh or captious judgment
critic - a person given to harsh judgments and to finding faults
critic - a person who makes or expresses a judgment on the quality of offerings in some field of endeavor
Maybe you can start a petition to change the defintion to better suit your tastes.
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It's funny. No matter how many times I try to post the definition, it just doesn't sink in.
Everybody seems to be deadset that you need a critic badge or a critic diploma to be a critic.
Maybe if you tell yourself enough that critic means what you want it to, it will change the definition.
That update proves how rabid the Guild Wars 2 community is.
Keen: "Now, I want to make it very clear that the content of this particular blog entry looks upon GW2 favorably."
Keen did NOT express an unfavorable opinion about GW2. He expressed worry, actually a déjà vu of something he didn't like in SWTOR. He would not approve of you calling him a critic of GW2. Your definition may be right, but writing that you hope something that was promised to be in the game, will be in the actual game doesn't make someone a "critic" of the game.
As to the rabid part, I think you know the story of the pot and the kettle.
Waiting for Guild Wars 2, and maybe SWTOR until that time...
It's funny. No matter how many times I try to post the definition, it just doesn't sink in.
Everybody seems to be deadset that you need a critic badge or a critic diploma to be a critic.
Maybe if you tell yourself enough that critic means what you want it to, it will change the definition.
That update proves how rabid the Guild Wars 2 community is.
Yeah and it is funny that you keep ignoring this part of the definition too; (Literary & Literary Critical Terms) a professional judge of art, music, literature, etc.I don’t know about you but I see a word in there that says a professional. Where in the word professional does it mean not doing research for something you are going to write or talk about? The other great part is you keep ignoring the fact that the author calls himself or herself a blogger and not a critic. I guess since that means ever blogger is a critic, I can go start my own blog and start hammering this site with critics of the gaming industry, because apparently once you got a blog you’re a critic to be listened too.
Well you see a rabid fan base and I see someone that does not know the difference between wording a thread blogger worried about GW2 and critics worried about GW2.
That's because it isn't part of the definition. It is a separate definition. Words can have multiple definitions. Every blogger who does any of the following would be a critic by its very definition.
- express an unfavorable opinion of something.
- make harsh judgments and find faults
- make or express a judgment on the quality of offerings in some field of endeavor
I also found a PvP interview that I added to the OP.
It's funny. No matter how many times I try to post the definition, it just doesn't sink in.
Everybody seems to be deadset that you need a critic badge or a critic diploma to be a critic.
Maybe if you tell yourself enough that critic means what you want it to, it will change the definition.
That update proves how rabid the Guild Wars 2 community is.
Keen: "Now, I want to make it very clear that the content of this particular blog entry looks upon GW2 favorably."
Keen did NOT express an unfavorable opinion about GW2. He expressed worry, actually a déjà vu of something he didn't like in SWTOR. He would not approve of you calling him a critic of GW2. Your definition may be right, but writing that you hope something that was promised to be in the game, will be in the actual game doesn't make someone a "critic" of the game.
As to the rabid part, I think you know the story of the pot and the kettle.
A critic is anyone who expresses a value judgement. Informally, criticism is a common aspect of all human expression and need not necessarily imply skilled or accurate expressions of judgement. Critical judgements, good or bad, may be positive (in praise of an object of attention), negative (in dispraise), or balanced (weighing a combination of factors both for and against). Since all criticism must be regarded as having a purpose, a critic may also be definable by his or her specific motivation. At its simplest, and for whatever reason, a critic may have either constructive or destructive intent.
That's because it isn't part of the definition. It is a separate definition. Words can have muliple definitions. Every blogger who does any of the following would be a critic by its very definition.
- express an unfavorable opinion of something.
- make harsh judgments and to find faults
- make or express a judgment on the quality of offerings in some field of endeavor
I also found a PvP interview that I added to the OP.
No that just means they are a person that gave criticism that does not mean they are a professional critic that people should listen too! See I am criticizing you right now does that mean I am professional critic that people should listen to on all things concerning Atlan99?
Originally posted by Chilliesauce
Considering some really vile comments the blogger got from GW2 fans and the hate was really overwhelming, all this over a video game. So yeah i would go with the rabid part. not that SWTOR community is any better but such personal hate over a video game is really surprising.
Tell that to the OP according to him that is only GW2 fans, it is not like if you go to the following forums you will ever see a rabid TOR fan dishing out hate! http:// http://www.swtor.com/community/
I'm a critic, and my opinion crits 100% of the time.
Being a critic it means my opinion is better than everyone elses. We are not all equal. It's not that we are just all humans on equal opinions with our own individual assumptions. Nope. I am a critic. By law of reason, I am more of an expert in having a valid opinion that others. It's because I am a critic, that when I play games, I get to decide if a game is good or not, because I am a critic.
It's because I am critic that the lesser people who have no selfworth will need to use my opinions as a tool, because they are not strong or independant enough to form their own. They doubt themselves. That's why my opinion matters more than other people. If I like blue, lesser people will like blue to. It's because I am a critic.
And if a lot of critics like myself share the same opinion about blue being the best color, then it becomes more true, because more people means more true. The story about the first guy suggesting that the earth being round, not flat, getting hanged does not matter. The critics said it was flat, and so they were right. Because critics are always right.
Sometimes critics say different things. But don't worry. The low selfworth people will filter through the opposing critics and post whatever critics opinions they like the most at a given time on forums, while ignoring the others.
I'm a critic, and my word is the truth.
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That's because it isn't part of the definition. It is a separate definition. Words can have muliple definitions. Every blogger who does any of the following would be a critic by its very definition.
- express an unfavorable opinion of something.
- make harsh judgments and to find faults
- make or express a judgment on the quality of offerings in some field of endeavor
I also found a PvP interview that I added to the OP.
No that just means they are a person that gave criticism that does not mean they are a professional critic that people should listen too! See I am criticizing you right now does that mean I am professional critic that people should listen to on all things concerning Atlan99?
Originally posted by Chilliesauce
Considering some really vile comments the blogger got from GW2 fans and the hate was really overwhelming, all this over a video game. So yeah i would go with the rabid part. not that SWTOR community is any better but such personal hate over a video game is really surprising.
Tell that to the OP according to him that is only GW2 fans, it is not like if you go to the following forums you will ever see a rabid TOR fan dishing out hate! http:// http://www.swtor.com/community/
Trivial objections (also referred to as hair-splitting, nothing but objections, barrage of objections and banal objections) is an informal logical fallacy where irrelevant and sometimes frivolous objections are made to divert the attention away from the topic that is being discussed. This type of argument is called a "quibble" or "quillet". Trivial objections are a special case of red herring.
The fallacy often appears when an argument is difficult to oppose. The person making a trivial objection may appear ready to accept the argument in question, but at the same time they will oppose it in many different ways. These objections can appear in the form of lists, hypotheticals, and even accusations.
Such objections themselves may be valid, but they fail to confront the main argument under consideration. Instead, the objection opposes a small, irrelevant part of the main argument. The fallacy is committed because of this diversion; it is fallacious to oppose a point on the basis of minor and incidental aspects, rather than responding to the main claim.
Atlan i understand you trying to prove they are a critic, but to what point? to prove these people were disappointed they didn't see WvWvW?
Lets say they are critics..so what? a couple of people are disappointed by a preview the game gave? If thats somehow to make the game look bad it's a pretty odd angle to come at. The no GvG thing if it's true would be a far better angle to approach if your trying to create concern for the game, not 2 people who didn't like the presentation made at a convention because they didn't show WvWvW in the demo of a game that isn't released.
I cand understand you really want these people to be viewed as critics but i just don't see the point, even if they are seen critics it doesn't really mean anything about the game in the end as all they are criticizing is the presentation or there lack of, of a feature of the game. If this was to say WvWvW wasn't going to be in game or that the lack of presentation proved this point..Then i feel you would have a point. But there isn't any sign of that happen from what i can tell.
It's just making it look kind of petty IMO to try and jump the game in this fashion, as the worst it does is say that a couple of people are disappointed they didn't show a feature...yet in a convention. big whoop thats always going to happen it's not really a trend or anything GW2 fans should be worried about.
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Open World Pvp in Guild wars 2 with 1 faction is so stupid unless they put it like Lineage 2 . when u kill some1 u get flagged, ur name turn red and purple and when u get in town u get rape by the guard,
lineage 2 was good at that, i think u had to hold Shift to attack some1.
but open world pvp at release date lol mass death at the spawn
maybe they should add day like open world pvp week where u can kill anyone anywhere would be cool but other then that i dont see open world pvp in guild wars 2 since 1 faction again each other sound stupid to me
anyway that was only my opinion what u guys think?
GW2 doesn't have open world PVP, it has WvWvW
where it pitches the 3 servers against each other.
How much WoW could a WoWhater hate, if a WoWhater could hate WoW? As much WoW as a WoWhater would, if a WoWhater could hate WoW.
Now let me put two and two together for you since apparently you are not getting it. When people see critics worried about GW2 they think professional critic not some dude that is writing a blog and does not do research! That is what a lot of the posts in this thread have been about, but apparently that does not matter to you! It is only your prospective that matters, and who cares if your title misrepresents what the thread is actually about. This thread would not have a bunch of posts in it if it said bloggers because people saw critics thought it was a professional and then made a comment about the blogger.
Is this really too difficult for you to understand, that when people see a title that says critics are worried about such and such, they think it is a professional critic and click on the link to find out what they said?
Then the best part when people start attacking this thread title, you defend it with the fact that the blogger is making a criticism and so therefore is technically a critic. But the point is that people came into this thread by the title expecting a professional critic not some dude typing crap in his bed clothes that he has no idea if it is true or not!
Atlan i understand you trying to prove they are a critic, but to what point? to prove these people were disappointed they didn't see WvWvW?
Lets say they are critics..so what? a couple of people are disappointed by a preview the game gave? If thats somehow to make the game look bad it's a pretty odd angle to come at. The no GvG thing if it's true would be a far better angle to approach if your trying to create concern for the game, not 2 people who didn't like the presentation made at a convention because they didn't show WvWvW in the demo of a game that isn't released.
I cand understand you really want these people to be viewed as critics but i just don't see the point, even if they are seen critics it doesn't really mean anything about the game in the end as all they are criticizing is the presentation or there lack of, of a feature of the game. If this was to say WvWvW wasn't going to be in game or that the lack of presentation proved this point..Then i feel you would have a point. But there isn't any sign of that happen from what i can tell.
It's just making it look kind of petty IMO to try and jump the game in this fashion, as the worst it does is say that a couple of people are disappointed they didn't show a feature...yet in a convention. big whoop thats always going to happen it's not really a trend or anything GW2 fans should be worried about.
All I did was post the two links.
Then when people started to attack me, I defended myself. They made fallacious statements that I defended myself against.
I don't even hate Guild Wars 2. I'm hoping they manage to actually pull off mass PvP with their WvWvW. If they do I'll probably end up purchasing a copy myself.
Atlan i understand you trying to prove they are a critic, but to what point? to prove these people were disappointed they didn't see WvWvW?
Lets say they are critics..so what? a couple of people are disappointed by a preview the game gave? If thats somehow to make the game look bad it's a pretty odd angle to come at. The no GvG thing if it's true would be a far better angle to approach if your trying to create concern for the game, not 2 people who didn't like the presentation made at a convention because they didn't show WvWvW in the demo of a game that isn't released.
I cand understand you really want these people to be viewed as critics but i just don't see the point, even if they are seen critics it doesn't really mean anything about the game in the end as all they are criticizing is the presentation or there lack of, of a feature of the game. If this was to say WvWvW wasn't going to be in game or that the lack of presentation proved this point..Then i feel you would have a point. But there isn't any sign of that happen from what i can tell.
It's just making it look kind of petty IMO to try and jump the game in this fashion, as the worst it does is say that a couple of people are disappointed they didn't show a feature...yet in a convention. big whoop thats always going to happen it's not really a trend or anything GW2 fans should be worried about.
All I did was post the two links.
Then when people started to attack me, I defended myself. They made fallacious statements that I defended myself against.
I don't even hate Guild Wars 2. I'm hoping they manage to actually pull off mass PvP with their WvWvW. If they do I'll probably end up purchasing a copy myself.
Welcome to the GW 2 forums mate.
This site is very VERY heavily in support of this game and it seems to be THE nexus for all of the love GW 2 (Is probably rightfully getting) but what this means is that anyone who dares to show an opinion other than support for the game, is going to be subjected to a lot of trolling.
Now, had you posted those links about SW:ToR you would have gotten 22 pages of people telling you its only going to sell 3 copies and how those two links were the best bits of investigative journalism ever, ironically, the same people would have posted in both threads.
i understand you trying to prove they are a critic, but to what point?
I do not see why anyone would want to uphold the idea that bloggers are a good source of criticism to form ideas off of in the first place. That whole idea is revolting to me! Do not get me wrong bloggers have their place in sharing opinions and ideas that they have. But in no way shape or form would I ever consider them a valid source for criticism to shape your own ideas off of. You have no idea what research they people have done, or even what bias motivates them to write their blog in the first place. Honestly the idea of holding bloggers up as valid critics people should look to for information is stomach turning to me!
Originally posted by Kothoses
Welcome to the GW 2 forums mate.
This site is very VERY heavily in support of this game and it seems to be THE nexus for all of the love GW 2 (Is probably rightfully getting) but what this means is that anyone who dares to show an opinion other than support for the game, is going to be subjected to a lot of trolling.
You live, you learn.
I am not going to deal with the people that troll TOR forums that is those people’s issues not GW2s.
As for anyone that shares any opinion besides support gets trolled; that must explain why this thread does not have any GW2 fan trolling because it is a valid constructive criticism! Nice try there though, maybe next time come back with constructive criticism and not just your very subjective opinion.
A critic is anyone who expresses a value judgement. Informally, criticism is a common aspect of all human expression and need not necessarily imply skilled or accurate expressions of judgement. Critical judgements, good or bad, may be positive (in praise of an object of attention), negative (in dispraise), or balanced (weighing a combination of factors both for and against). Since all criticism must be regarded as having a purpose, a critic may also be definable by his or her specific motivation. At its simplest, and for whatever reason, a critic may have either constructive or destructive intent.
Critic = "Anyone who expresses a value judgement". Then the world is full of critics except for those who are unable to express themselves? Ok, you could take that as the one and only definition then this site is full of them.
Waiting for Guild Wars 2, and maybe SWTOR until that time...
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Do you seriously think that I am going to have any serious effect on whether or not people play SWTOR?
"Update: This warrants an update. No where in this entry did I say WvWvW was out of the game. No where did I express any malcontent towards GW2 or Arenanet. No where did I make any claims that I have done research into the game so far as to check leak sites to see that WvWvW is in the game (see comments for the map link), so I reserve the right to be ignorant on what is not officially shown. To some of you I say welcome to a blog, a place where the author makes statements of opinion more often than statements of fact. I reserve the right to be wrong and I reserve the right to change my mind. This should go without saying. Now, I want to make it very clear that the content of this particular blog entry looks upon GW2 favorably. The frothing hatred that some of you displayed towards me for whatever reason makes me feel sorry for you — my heart goes out to your families. All I did, and continue to do at the time of this writing, was point out the interesting and quite unfortunate focus on arenas and battlegrounds and express my dislike for those particular forms of PvP in almost all MMO’s all the while wishing that we saw more of a PvP form I like. I would like to make it clear that I enjoy persistent open-world PvP with dynamic objectives and far-reaching consequences. I am likely preaching to the choir since the flames are likely coming from those who did not read a word of this entry anyway."
The funny part is nowhere in there does the author of the articles you presented call himself or herself a critic. In fact the author even says this is a blog and in this blog the author will make statements of opinion more often than statements of fact. That makes me wonder why you have such a crusade going to have this self proclaimed blogger named a critic and not just someone on the net sharing their opinion?
Oh and I guess since bloggers are now considered official game critics that means Sidhaethe is a critic now since you can see her blog here. Oh and everyone else on this site go out and make a blog so we can all be official game critics that everyone should pay attention too!
This is actually a really funny comment since in my time on this site I have seen the WoW, Rift, TOR, Eve, and the sandbox crowds preach the faith to convert the unbelievers. The fact that you did not see those posts is interesting; you must have a very good selective reading thing going on there!
And finally I would like to end this with what I said before in this thread only a fool takes advice from a critic that does not know what they hell they are talking about!
I would give as much importance to 'why swtor doesn' excite me article' as i give to these two negative blogs about GW2. Both full of misplaced expectations and too much 'meme'. You really think articles like this can make game look good or bad? in the end it will be the opinions of buyers which will matter the most. For me the most relevant reviews are from an average gamer. it is their feedback that matters the most. But right now both GW2 and SWTOR fans are equally ridiculous.
Finally, players should be happy that we are leaving days of bad releases, unifinished products, over promised and under delieverd games behind. But no, we can never have good things right? if someone is negative let it be. Correct them if they are wrong but i see no reason to go on insulting back and forth for 20+ pages. And that is what happens on most of the topics here.
Serious? No. Effect? Yes.
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It's funny. No matter how many times I try to post the definition, it just doesn't sink in.
Everybody seems to be deadset that you need a critic badge or a critic diploma to be a critic.
Maybe if you tell yourself enough that critic means what you want it to, it will change the definition.
That update proves how rabid the Guild Wars 2 community is.
I love this mentallity, so typically internet in the 21th century
If people have a different opinion, just trash it.... Why should i have arguments and resoning to trash someones opinon if thats different then mine?
A nice detail, in the MMO scene it gets worse the closer these games come to release... So its obvious that these trashers and trolls are not the real fanboise that have been following development for years.... but it are those people that jump from game to game, and they need confirmation every time that they are meking the right choice in joining game A above game B..
So we all should stop taking these people very serious at all....
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I used to like Keen and Graeve blogs but that time is gone because he's just turned into a whiner who's never satisfied,always complaining.Unfortunately a lot of those so called bloggers are turning into drama queens.
There are some few who are still good though.
In the land of Predators,the lion does not fear the jackals...
Yeah and it is funny that you keep ignoring this part of the definition too; (Literary & Literary Critical Terms) a professional judge of art, music, literature, etc.I don’t know about you but I see a word in there that says a professional. Where in the word professional does it mean not doing research for something you are going to write or talk about? The other great part is you keep ignoring the fact that the author calls himself or herself a blogger and not a critic. I guess since that means ever blogger is a critic, I can go start my own blog and start hammering this site with critics of the gaming industry, because apparently once you got a blog you’re a critic to be listened too.
Well you see a rabid fan base and I see someone that does not know the difference between wording a thread blogger worried about GW2 and critics worried about GW2.
Considering some really vile comments the blogger got from GW2 fans and the hate was really overwhelming, all this over a video game. So yeah i would go with the rabid part. not that SWTOR community is any better but such personal hate over a video game is really surprising.
Keen: "Now, I want to make it very clear that the content of this particular blog entry looks upon GW2 favorably."
Keen did NOT express an unfavorable opinion about GW2. He expressed worry, actually a déjà vu of something he didn't like in SWTOR. He would not approve of you calling him a critic of GW2. Your definition may be right, but writing that you hope something that was promised to be in the game, will be in the actual game doesn't make someone a "critic" of the game.
As to the rabid part, I think you know the story of the pot and the kettle.
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That's because it isn't part of the definition. It is a separate definition. Words can have multiple definitions. Every blogger who does any of the following would be a critic by its very definition.
- express an unfavorable opinion of something.
- make harsh judgments and find faults
- make or express a judgment on the quality of offerings in some field of endeavor
I also found a PvP interview that I added to the OP.
A critic is anyone who expresses a value judgement. Informally, criticism is a common aspect of all human expression and need not necessarily imply skilled or accurate expressions of judgement. Critical judgements, good or bad, may be positive (in praise of an object of attention), negative (in dispraise), or balanced (weighing a combination of factors both for and against). Since all criticism must be regarded as having a purpose, a critic may also be definable by his or her specific motivation. At its simplest, and for whatever reason, a critic may have either constructive or destructive intent.
No that just means they are a person that gave criticism that does not mean they are a professional critic that people should listen too! See I am criticizing you right now does that mean I am professional critic that people should listen to on all things concerning Atlan99?
Tell that to the OP according to him that is only GW2 fans, it is not like if you go to the following forums you will ever see a rabid TOR fan dishing out hate! http:// http://www.swtor.com/community/
I'm a critic, and my opinion crits 100% of the time.
Being a critic it means my opinion is better than everyone elses. We are not all equal. It's not that we are just all humans on equal opinions with our own individual assumptions. Nope. I am a critic. By law of reason, I am more of an expert in having a valid opinion that others. It's because I am a critic, that when I play games, I get to decide if a game is good or not, because I am a critic.
It's because I am critic that the lesser people who have no selfworth will need to use my opinions as a tool, because they are not strong or independant enough to form their own. They doubt themselves. That's why my opinion matters more than other people. If I like blue, lesser people will like blue to. It's because I am a critic.
And if a lot of critics like myself share the same opinion about blue being the best color, then it becomes more true, because more people means more true. The story about the first guy suggesting that the earth being round, not flat, getting hanged does not matter. The critics said it was flat, and so they were right. Because critics are always right.
Sometimes critics say different things. But don't worry. The low selfworth people will filter through the opposing critics and post whatever critics opinions they like the most at a given time on forums, while ignoring the others.
I'm a critic, and my word is the truth.
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GvG is guild vs guild right?
Because if so, doesn't that completely DEFEAT the point of calling the game GUILD WARS.
Trivial objections (also referred to as hair-splitting, nothing but objections, barrage of objections and banal objections) is an informal logical fallacy where irrelevant and sometimes frivolous objections are made to divert the attention away from the topic that is being discussed. This type of argument is called a "quibble" or "quillet". Trivial objections are a special case of red herring.
The fallacy often appears when an argument is difficult to oppose. The person making a trivial objection may appear ready to accept the argument in question, but at the same time they will oppose it in many different ways. These objections can appear in the form of lists, hypotheticals, and even accusations.
Such objections themselves may be valid, but they fail to confront the main argument under consideration. Instead, the objection opposes a small, irrelevant part of the main argument. The fallacy is committed because of this diversion; it is fallacious to oppose a point on the basis of minor and incidental aspects, rather than responding to the main claim.
Nowhere did I say professional.
Atlan i understand you trying to prove they are a critic, but to what point? to prove these people were disappointed they didn't see WvWvW?
Lets say they are critics..so what? a couple of people are disappointed by a preview the game gave? If thats somehow to make the game look bad it's a pretty odd angle to come at. The no GvG thing if it's true would be a far better angle to approach if your trying to create concern for the game, not 2 people who didn't like the presentation made at a convention because they didn't show WvWvW in the demo of a game that isn't released.
I cand understand you really want these people to be viewed as critics but i just don't see the point, even if they are seen critics it doesn't really mean anything about the game in the end as all they are criticizing is the presentation or there lack of, of a feature of the game. If this was to say WvWvW wasn't going to be in game or that the lack of presentation proved this point..Then i feel you would have a point. But there isn't any sign of that happen from what i can tell.
It's just making it look kind of petty IMO to try and jump the game in this fashion, as the worst it does is say that a couple of people are disappointed they didn't show a feature...yet in a convention. big whoop thats always going to happen it's not really a trend or anything GW2 fans should be worried about.
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GW2 doesn't have open world PVP, it has WvWvW
where it pitches the 3 servers against each other.
How much WoW could a WoWhater hate, if a WoWhater could hate WoW?
As much WoW as a WoWhater would, if a WoWhater could hate WoW.
Now let me put two and two together for you since apparently you are not getting it. When people see critics worried about GW2 they think professional critic not some dude that is writing a blog and does not do research! That is what a lot of the posts in this thread have been about, but apparently that does not matter to you! It is only your prospective that matters, and who cares if your title misrepresents what the thread is actually about. This thread would not have a bunch of posts in it if it said bloggers because people saw critics thought it was a professional and then made a comment about the blogger.
Is this really too difficult for you to understand, that when people see a title that says critics are worried about such and such, they think it is a professional critic and click on the link to find out what they said?
Then the best part when people start attacking this thread title, you defend it with the fact that the blogger is making a criticism and so therefore is technically a critic. But the point is that people came into this thread by the title expecting a professional critic not some dude typing crap in his bed clothes that he has no idea if it is true or not!
All I did was post the two links.
Then when people started to attack me, I defended myself. They made fallacious statements that I defended myself against.
I don't even hate Guild Wars 2. I'm hoping they manage to actually pull off mass PvP with their WvWvW. If they do I'll probably end up purchasing a copy myself.
Welcome to the GW 2 forums mate.
This site is very VERY heavily in support of this game and it seems to be THE nexus for all of the love GW 2 (Is probably rightfully getting) but what this means is that anyone who dares to show an opinion other than support for the game, is going to be subjected to a lot of trolling.
Now, had you posted those links about SW:ToR you would have gotten 22 pages of people telling you its only going to sell 3 copies and how those two links were the best bits of investigative journalism ever, ironically, the same people would have posted in both threads.
You live, you learn.
I do not see why anyone would want to uphold the idea that bloggers are a good source of criticism to form ideas off of in the first place. That whole idea is revolting to me! Do not get me wrong bloggers have their place in sharing opinions and ideas that they have. But in no way shape or form would I ever consider them a valid source for criticism to shape your own ideas off of. You have no idea what research they people have done, or even what bias motivates them to write their blog in the first place. Honestly the idea of holding bloggers up as valid critics people should look to for information is stomach turning to me!
I am not going to deal with the people that troll TOR forums that is those people’s issues not GW2s.
As for anyone that shares any opinion besides support gets trolled; that must explain why this thread does not have any GW2 fan trolling because it is a valid constructive criticism! Nice try there though, maybe next time come back with constructive criticism and not just your very subjective opinion.
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Critic = "Anyone who expresses a value judgement". Then the world is full of critics except for those who are unable to express themselves? Ok, you could take that as the one and only definition then this site is full of them.
Waiting for Guild Wars 2, and maybe SWTOR until that time...